Giga VST Adapter [Archive] - Northern Sound Source

Bruce A. Richardson

11-13-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by keytar:
Bruce - thanks for the easter egg hunt, but if you know something concrete can you please just tell us? Thanks... No one who knows anything concrete can tell you anything. That\'s how it works...software companies use legal instruments called \"nondisclosure agreements\" to enable them to work with people on an advisory basis without risk of those people leaking the information they\'re entrusted with.

In fact, most agreements say you can\'t reveal there\'s an agreement. I\'m not saying I\'m under NDA. Or that I\'m not. See? Any information you\'re going to get unofficially is going to be hidden very carefully between the lines. Tascam itself puts information between the lines. So, check out the video and find it. Pete makes a statement at the very top of the show that should answer your question...between the lines.

Dean

11-13-2003, 12:39 PM

Hi KingIdiot,

So are you testing the Giga Wrapper by Max ?

If so, how well does it perform ? Are you running it over a 10/100 lan or 1000 ? How many channels are you running ? Are you able to use programs such as the VoTA phrasing tool and the VSL performance tool in conjunction with it ..

Basically, any techy information you can offer would be appreciated images/icons/smile.gif

Cheers,
Dean.

Bill

11-13-2003, 12:43 PM

If giga is running on a separate machine, I’m having trouble seeing what the point of running it in a wrapper in FX-T would be, as opposed to running it standalone.

What am I missing?

Bruce A. Richardson

11-13-2003, 12:51 PM

Offline mixdown.

Ian Livingstone

11-13-2003, 01:38 PM

If giga is running on a separate machine, I’m having trouble seeing what the point of running it in a wrapper in FX-T would be, as opposed to running it standalone.

What am I missing? Other than the mixing side of it, you can also do away with midi and audio hardware from the slave machines - big saving if you have a multi-giga setup.

KI - anything other teasers you can divulge?!

Ian

KingIdiot

11-13-2003, 01:44 PM

I *JUST* got it, so there\'s not much to say.

It works so far tho images/icons/smile.gif

YAY!

Its still early beta, and knowing Max, and how he works. It will become a new entity as the beta goes along. As it is, people would like it, but he\'s a geek for making it better.

This and FXT = better pocketbook images/icons/smile.gif

Bill

11-13-2003, 02:57 PM

Is Sonar + VSTAdapter a suitable host for FX-T?

J. Whaley

11-13-2003, 02:59 PM

King, can you divulge if you\'re doing this only on windows or if there is a mac in your setup? I think I recall you sequence in Logic - which would mean mac right???? images/icons/smile.gif

J. Whaley

11-13-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by PatS:
Pete Snell\'s AES Video Demo of GigaPulse (\"http://trio.harmony-central.com/ramgen/115AES/Tascam-GigaPulse.rm\") I can\'t get a .rm file to play. Could someone \"Read\" between the lines for me and report? Thanks!

J-

KingIdiot

11-13-2003, 03:05 PM

Its too early to divulge info guys. Max is doing alot of stuff so I cant tell you if and when about specifics. I can say that I just started testing it, and it works so far.

MarkusH

11-13-2003, 03:06 PM

real one free player just nuked my WMP and IE, now \"open in new window\" and windowsupdate don\'t work anymore.
Why oh why does anyone use RM still?!

ahhHhh

Simon Ravn

11-13-2003, 03:31 PM

GigaPulse will be built into GigaStudio 3, that\'s obvious.

PatS

11-13-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by J. Whaley:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PatS:
Pete Snell\'s AES Video Demo of GigaPulse (\"http://trio.harmony-central.com/ramgen/115AES/Tascam-GigaPulse.rm\") I can\'t get a .rm file to play. Could someone \"Read\" between the lines for me and report? Thanks!

J- <hr /></blockquote>Here\'s one (around 0:53): \"This is a product which has fallen out of the R & D of Giga 3.\"

J. Whaley

11-13-2003, 03:42 PM

umph - there it is, umph - there it is!

Well that\'ll be a nice addition to GS 3 I guess. I really like the idea of being able to use it as a VST. (as is being discussed in another thread). If that\'s possible then I\'m guessing we could run GS next to Kontakt on the same CPU - sweetness images/icons/smile.gif I think 2004 is going to be an exciting year!

J-

Scott Cairns

11-13-2003, 04:17 PM

I can\'t get a .rm file to play. Could someone \"Read\" between the lines for me and report? Thanks!On my machine I could hear audio but not see picture until I ran the vid fullscreen (theatre mode or something).

sporter

11-13-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by MarkusH:
real one free player just nuked my WMP and IE, now \"open in new window\" and windowsupdate don\'t work anymore.
Why oh why does anyone use RM still?!

ahhHhh Yep, I refuse to download Real Player after finally getting rid of it during my last clean install.

let\'s hope there\'s not something to be read between the lines here..incompatibile software which screws up your computer images/icons/grin.gif

Hasen

11-13-2003, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by MarkusH:
real one free player just nuked my WMP and IE, now \"open in new window\" and windowsupdate don\'t work anymore.
Why oh why does anyone use RM still?!
Real One Player works great on my Mac. Its WMP and IE that are the sh*ttest things on the face of the earth. images/icons/mad.gif

I can\'t fathom why anyone would want to run Gigastudio in VST form. Other than its obvious super efficiency streaming its basically hugely inferior to Kontakt and HALion. In fact with HALion\'s almost perfect Giga import it basically _is_ Giga VST. Except it has a really, really nice GUI and a built in editor that\'s simply genius in design. images/icons/smile.gif

Mattias Henningson

11-13-2003, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Bill:
Is Sonar + VSTAdapter a suitable host for FX-T? Yes FX-T works fine in Sonar.

/Mattias

MastersMusic

11-13-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Mattias Henningson:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bill:
Is Sonar + VSTAdapter a suitable host for FX-T? Yes FX-T works fine in Sonar.

/Mattias <hr /></blockquote>WOW!!!
I\'m assuming that we will need the VST wrapper for this?
Are you running it personally? What was setup and effects being used over the network?

That would be so cool if we Sonar users could off-load some of the work to another machine.

Jazzhole

11-13-2003, 07:38 PM

Dont forget fx-freeze from the same man who does FX-T and giga wrap... Im using it now, and all I can say is wow. Now all my comps arent choking anymore images/icons/tongue.gif

Cheers

Ian Livingstone

11-13-2003, 11:01 PM

http://www.fx-max.com (\"http://www.fx-max.com\")

COMING SOON: GIGA VST ADAPTER
VSTi wrapper for GigaStudio 2.54 and 3. The program will integrate the World\'s best known software sampler right into your favorite VST Host. Furthermore, using it with FX Teleport you soon will be able to run GigaStudio on dedicated LAN-connected computers as VSTis. No additional audio or MIDI hardware needed

Bruce A. Richardson

11-13-2003, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by Hasen:
I can\'t fathom why anyone would want to run Gigastudio in VST form. Other than its obvious super efficiency streaming its basically hugely inferior to Kontakt and HALion. In fact with HALion\'s almost perfect Giga import it basically _is_ Giga VST. Except it has a really, really nice GUI and a built in editor that\'s simply genius in design. Your statement assumes that connectivity is the only thing Giga 3 has up its sleeve. That\'s not true by a long shot. Between what has been \"leaked\" by Mr. Snell, and the revelation of VSTi functionality, I\'d say you\'ve gotten about 10% of the total new feature set identified.

Tascam funded over a year of pure R & D. You are not talking about an incremental upgrade. You are talking about a substantial, ground up re-engineering.

Can you put any DSP behind Halion, run the polyphony up to, say, even 60 stereo voices, and be able to play a real time, full-bore piano part? No way. You\'d be in latency hell. Well, even now, GigaStudio would play perfectly at the keyboard in that situation. You can track in realtime with no perceivable latency, while the polyphony meter is pegged.

As long as I have fingers left on my hands, this kind of misinformation will not go unchallenged. There ARE differences in these technologies.

Bruce A. Richardson

11-13-2003, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by MastersMusic:
[QBThat would be so cool if we Sonar users could off-load some of the work to another machine. [/QB]Just to confirm, yes, works very well in SONAR 3.

P de Caumette

11-13-2003, 11:12 PM

A while back, King told us this was in the works so I would take this ad seriously. Would be wonderful to see Giga in Cubase or any VST based sequencer.

Can\'t wait!

Houston Haynes

11-13-2003, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
Can you put any DSP behind Halion, run the polyphony up to, say, even 60 stereo voices, and be able to play a real time, full-bore piano part? No way. You\'d be in latency hell.Pure BUNKUM... you don\'t need to set up a paper tiger to make a point - or do you images/icons/confused.gif

keytar

11-13-2003, 11:22 PM

\"Gigapulse and Gigastudio? Not related? They\'re very much related.\"

Ok, show me how I\'ll be able to plug gigapulse directly into gigastudio and run my gigastudio samples/channels through gigapulse. Other than coming from the same company/developer how do they relate? ? ? ?

Bruce A. Richardson

11-13-2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by keytar:
\"Gigapulse and Gigastudio? Not related? They\'re very much related.\"

Ok, show me how I\'ll be able to plug gigapulse directly into gigastudio and run my gigastudio samples/channels through gigapulse. Other than coming from the same company/developer how do they relate? ? ? ? If you listen very closely to Pete Snell\'s GigaPulse video from AES, you might just find yourself a little clue...

Ian Livingstone

11-13-2003, 11:46 PM

Bruce - hi - do you happen to know if this video is still available? Couldn\'t find anything on the Tascam or aes sites....

Ian

Bruce A. Richardson

11-13-2003, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Houston Haynes:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
Can you put any DSP behind Halion, run the polyphony up to, say, even 60 stereo voices, and be able to play a real time, full-bore piano part? No way. You\'d be in latency hell.Pure BUNKUM... you don\'t need to set up a paper tiger to make a point - or do you images/icons/confused.gif <hr /></blockquote>Playability under production conditions is hardly a paper tiger if playing is what you do.

Everybody talks about this magical world of plugin-samplers like they\'re a panacea. Not so. The moment you start putting them into a DAW environment, plugging in more DSP behind them, and trying to play, it\'s a different story. Buffers alone add enough latency, and then you\'re dealing with the added overhead of the DAW app on top.

I\'m doing the experiment with Kontakt, not Halion. But functionally, it\'s the same animal...a plugin operating within the confines and restrictions of DAW buffer architecture. If I run Kontakt alone on a track, it\'s just a bit more \"laggy\" than Giga, but I can still play. Until I start layering up. More polyphony = more lag. Now, I stick in a Waves RVerb. WHOA...now there\'s enough latency (with one of the more efficient reverbs out there...let\'s try convolvers next, eh?) that accurate, in the slot playing is impossible.

It\'s buffers. You can\'t wish them away. This doesn\'t happen with GigaStudio. And that is a big difference in the technology and in design and intent.

I\'m not saying there\'s no use for these plugin samplers. But every architecture has compromise, and this IS a compromise of the plugin architecture. Everything you run within the confines of a DAW is subject to everything else. If you ratchet up the buffers on a vocal track by stringing a de-esser, a doubler, and a reverb, then you\'re going to tack every bit of that latency onto your sampler. You know very well that\'s accurate information.

keytar

11-13-2003, 11:52 PM

Bruce - thanks for the easter egg hunt, but if you know something concrete can you please just tell us? Thanks...

Houston Haynes

11-14-2003, 01:28 AM

I can get 80+ stereo voices with HALion driving Post Bosendorfer and Sony Acoustic Mirror. With switchable PDC it\'s a non-issue either way, and I sometimes run a synthetic reverb during tracking - and save convolution for critical mixing when it matters and PDC is in play. It\'s certainly not \"latency hell\" by any stretch in any situation. I\'m getting real-time playability with high note counts and not so much as a *click*.

More polyphony = more lag.Myth-conception... pure and simple.

If you ratchet up the buffers on a vocal track by stringing a de-esser, a doubler, and a reverb, then you\'re going to tack every bit of that latency onto your sampler. You know very well that\'s accurate information.If your accuracy has nothing to do with the fact of the matter, then the distraction it causes doesn\'t bear on my original response. Don\'t try to use ancilliary anecdotes to skirt around the point.

If GigaStudio was so great and so wonderful, TASCAM wouldn\'t be re-engineering the thing from the ground up -- and if the technical issues were so easily usurped by Giga\'s superiority, they wouldn\'t be 2+ years behind in releasing a product.

I don\'t see the point for all of the smoke and mirrors and bogus numbers on HALion and other platforms just to defend your irrational affection for GigaStudio. I\'m sorry - I just don\'t get it.

Mattias Henningson

11-14-2003, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by MastersMusic:
I\'m assuming that we will need the VST wrapper for this?
Are you running it personally? What was setup and effects being used over the network?
Yes you need the wrapper if you\'re using 2.2. I\'m using the FXPansion (now Cakewalk) one. In 3.0 the wrapper is included as you know. I haven\'t had the time to try it in 3.0 yet as I just got my copy yesterday... I\'ve had FXT running since early this summer on my 4 machines and it works good, both for synth and fx plugins. I\'ve not been putting it under heavy use though as my main purpose for using FXT is combining it with the Giga VST Adapter. I hope I\'ll get to try the combination soon. images/icons/wink.gif

/Mattias

Alexcremers

11-14-2003, 01:59 AM

Houston wrote:

If GigaStudio was so great and so wonderful, TASCAM wouldn\'t be re-engineering the thing from the ground up That\'s odd. Why not? Can\'t they redefine the whole concept of soft samplers once again? Is that not what good engineers like to do?
I\'m glad I don\'t feel hatred towards old Giga. I\'m really looking forward to their 3.0. If it turns out to be a software turkey then I still have my 2.5 which does its job perfectly. (Okay, almost perfectly. We always want more.) It\'s still the most efficient (streaming-wise) sampler I\'ve tried.

------------
Alex Cremers

Leon Willett

11-14-2003, 02:20 AM

I\'m surprised to see a few people who seem not to see the use of a Giga-VSTi adapter. Well, it\'s simple. It means all settings are saved within your song, you can bounce and freeze giga tracks as you go, and you can apply effects to the audio coming out of giga. All without the expense and headache of routing midi and many channels of audio amongst a bunch of computers.

In my experience, the more comfortable your set up, the easier inspiration comes.

I just got my paws on this beta, let\'s see how it goes!! images/icons/grin.gif

Bruce A. Richardson

11-14-2003, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by Houston Haynes:
[QB] I can get 80+ stereo voices with HALion driving Post Bosendorfer and Sony Acoustic Mirror. With switchable PDC it\'s a non-issue either way, and I sometimes run a synthetic reverb during tracking - and save convolution for critical mixing when it matters and PDC is in play. It\'s certainly not \"latency hell\" by any stretch in any situation. I\'m getting real-time playability with high note counts and not so much as a *click*. [QB]I\'d be curious to know what your idea of realtime playability is. I\'m talking about REAL time, not close to real time, not OK, it looks in focus if I squint my eyes. I\'m talking about being able to hang with a tough realtime groove and feel connected and conversational with the instrument.

You\'re accusing me, I think, of changing my story halfway through to come up with the right answer. Nope. I\'m talking about realtime response at all phases of production. I can get that with Giga, and cannot get it with any other sampler I\'ve tried. Halion doesn\'t suspend DAW architecture. There is nothing which happens in your DAW that will not affect how Halion plays. That is why I use Giga today, and why I\'m looking forward to their next release. It is a sampler for people who want performance at every step of the way, who want an instrument to feel like an instrument no matter what.

I\'m sure you\'re very happy with Halion. Some people are very happy with Kontakt. I like Kontakt, too. For some things. Not for the same things that Giga does for me. You had one baby Giga license, which you sold. You never even experienced the full version. You may not know what you\'re missing, but that\'s OK. It\'s still great in my studio, and that\'s where it counts for me.

Simon Ravn

11-14-2003, 06:34 AM

Leon: Actually I would prefer if it didn\'t treat GS as a VST - so it doesn\'t have to use xx minutes loading up my template which might already be loaded each time I load a new song (or each time Cubase SX2 crashes). I think Max will do it that way - maybe both.

JohnnyP

11-14-2003, 06:40 AM

The Adapter concept is intriguing. What does this mean for folks like me who use Giga on a PC and sequence on a Mac? Nothing; since our Giga boxes are already seperate modules with their own MIDI and Audio? Or is there some way to use the VST wrapper within a Mac DAW host? I thought FX teleport was a PC only thing.
I skimmed the film about Gigapulse and didn\'t see any \'clues\' mentioned. (perhaps I worked to many hours lately).

Hasen

11-14-2003, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hasen:
I can\'t fathom why anyone would want to run Gigastudio in VST form. Other than its obvious super efficiency streaming its basically hugely inferior to Kontakt and HALion. In fact with HALion\'s almost perfect Giga import it basically _is_ Giga VST. Except it has a really, really nice GUI and a built in editor that\'s simply genius in design. Your statement assumes that connectivity is the only thing Giga 3 has up its sleeve. That\'s not true by a long shot. Between what has been \"leaked\" by Mr. Snell, and the revelation of VSTi functionality, I\'d say you\'ve gotten about 10% of the total new feature set identified.
<hr /></blockquote>I wasn\'t referring to Giga 3, I\'m sure that will be great and certainly needs to plug directly into a sequencer. I was referring to the old Giga people use now.

Can you put any DSP behind Halion, run the polyphony up to, say, even 60 stereo voices, and be able to play a real time, full-bore piano part? No way. You\'d be in latency hell. Well, even now, GigaStudio would play perfectly at the keyboard in that situation. You can track in realtime with no perceivable latency, while the polyphony meter is pegged.HALion can have more polyphony than _anything_ simply because you have so much control over the settings - how else could I have have a whole orchestra running on a clapped out G4 500? Sure, the realtime sound quality can be compromised to achieve this but latency is fine and who cares anyway when you\'re gonna do an offline bounce?

Bruce A. Richardson

11-14-2003, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Simon Ravn:
Leon: Actually I would prefer if it didn\'t treat GS as a VST - so it doesn\'t have to use xx minutes loading up my template which might already be loaded each time I load a new song (or each time Cubase SX2 crashes). I think Max will do it that way - maybe both. This is what I would prefer as well. The connectivity is good, but I prefer to manage my own loading in Giga. Becuase you can load SO MUCH in an instance, it\'s better to have your set of templates carefully thought out, and NOT loading every time you call up a tune.

Hey Simon, have you tried Mattias\'s Giga loader? It really helps the XP load thing!!

Hey Mattias, I am forwarding that to Van Buskirk this afternoon. I\'m out to rehearsal (arrrggghhh!!! can\'t even think at this time of morning, and I\'m actually going to stand in front of people and try to make sense).

Bruce

Leon Willett

11-14-2003, 06:51 AM

KingIdiot

11-14-2003, 07:12 AM

re-engage/disengage

people.....

why cant it jsut get through people\'s skulls? Some people like using different tools!

In my personal experience, Giga is just more stable regarding playback, than the other VSTi samplers. Especially on slower machines. Inferior or not, sometimes all you want is more poly and basic playback. I prefer Kontakt for many of its features, but giga for playback consistancy. I hope to the merovingian that they dont break this in 3.0

seclusion

11-14-2003, 07:16 AM

Now that\'s what we like to see.. Thoughts on a great idea expanded on with real world users adding obvious significant idea\'s and improvements that will make our lives sooo much more simpiler and constructive. Keep it up guys, these posts are sooo much more intruiging then some of them there \"off topic\" arguments.. Right on..

JohnnyP

11-14-2003, 08:04 AM

Hey Guys,
I think my posts are getting lost. What does this mean for those of us who like Giga but use a Giga PC and Mac DAW?

Plundrik

11-14-2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyP:
Hey Guys,
I think my posts are getting lost. What does this mean for those of us who like Giga but use a Giga PC and Mac DAW? Hi
If I understand correctly, you can control the samples loaded in your giga pc from your mac and also use giga as a vst plugin in your mac. In addition are the advantages of an integrated sampler in your daw like others have mentioned before..

I for one think that this is very exciting news! images/icons/grin.gif

Marsdy

11-14-2003, 09:18 AM

Is this how it would work with a Mac?

The Giga VST adapater makes GS appear as a VST plug-in, it\'s a Gigastudio shell in other words. This VST plug-in then appears as a VST plug-in in a Mac app via a yet to be released OSX version of FX teleport. If you use Logic or DP you would then need a VST to AU convertor. images/icons/shocked.gif

I hope I\'m wrong about this!!

Mattias Henningson

11-14-2003, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Marsdy:
The Giga VST adapater makes GS appear as a VST plug-in, it\'s a Gigastudio shell in other words. This VST plug-in then appears as a VST plug-in in a Mac app via a yet to be released OSX version of FX teleport. If you use Logic or DP you would then need a VST to AU convertor. images/icons/shocked.gif
Yes, this could lead to wrapper h#&l! It could get even worse but I won\'t go there... images/icons/wink.gif In any case someone should write the definite guide to Mac recording \"Mac recording unwrapped\". If the very same someone should decide to solve the problem with a complete solution he could write the same book but entitle it \"Mac recording shrinkwrapped\".

/Mattias

Simon Ravn

11-14-2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Simon Ravn:
Leon: Actually I would prefer if it didn\'t treat GS as a VST - so it doesn\'t have to use xx minutes loading up my template which might already be loaded each time I load a new song (or each time Cubase SX2 crashes). I think Max will do it that way - maybe both. Hey Simon, have you tried Mattias\'s Giga loader? It really helps the XP load thing!!

<hr /></blockquote>I read about it yes but I am not running GS on XP on any machines yet, and will prolly not change that before GS can use more than 1GB of RAM.

Kenn159

11-14-2003, 10:42 AM

Hi All
Not familar with FX teleport, Is it simular to Midi over lan?

Ouch that hurts

11-14-2003, 12:26 PM

HALion can have more polyphony than _anything_ simply because you have so much control over the settings - how else could I have have a whole orchestra running on a clapped out G4 500? Sure, the realtime sound quality can be compromised to achieve this but latency is fine and who cares anyway when you\'re gonna do an offline bounce?Well, I care. I like to hear my samples, as I track with them, sounding like they\'re gonna sound in the final mix. And Giga can do this WITHOUT compromising quality (and on some pretty low-spec PCs) so why would I want something where I need to compromise the quality?

Nick Batzdorf

11-14-2003, 02:14 PM

I was talking about OS 9, by the way - I haven\'t done anything serious with it on OS X yet (although I have determined that the latency triggering it through a MOTU Firewire interface is really low in Panther).

11-14-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by SyQuEsT:
is Gigapulse a VST plugin ?
Yes, it\'s a VST plug

Originally posted by SyQuEsT:
maybe Giga VST Adaptor will be able to \"convert\" it Maybe Giga3 will host it directly images/icons/wink.gif

Brian

KingIdiot

11-14-2003, 06:44 PM

cough

images/icons/wink.gif

Bruce A. Richardson

11-14-2003, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Kenn159:
Hi All
Not familar with FX teleport, Is it simular to Midi over lan? Different. You can essentially load a VST on another machine via Ethernet. The VST UI pops up on the target machine, MIDI and audio data are passed through the network, and as far as your DAW knows, it\'s just running a local VST. It is quite ingenious and transparent.

Plundrik

11-14-2003, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by KingIdiot:
cough

images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/grin.gif nice.

Kenn159

11-14-2003, 08:56 PM

Thanks for the info Bruce

Thomas_J

11-14-2003, 11:07 PM

Bruce, just let go images/icons/smile.gif It\'s no point trying to convince people who don\'t have the ability to appreciate high quality software.

Gigastudio is to date the most reliable and performance efficient software sampler and in terms of stability (which is the NUMBER ONE deciding factor for me) it\'s unsurpassed. Quite simply. That\'s not to say that all the other software samplers are useless. By FAR. There are some great samplers out there. They all have one problem in common, though. They\'re operating under the restrictions of the VST / plugin architecture (like you said) and thus they have certain problems with streaming that Giga, being the \"under-the-hood\" software that it is, doesn\'t have.

If people don\'t like Giga, then fine. If other samplers work for them without a glitch, 24/7 for months without a single error, then WOW I\'d like to see their setup. If they aren\'t power hungry users who rely 100% on pure power and stability during their everyday work, then fine. Other samplers may work for them.

For orchestral stuff I still think Gigastudio is superior to any other software sampler out there. Just because I never had to deal with a zillion of problems to get decent performance from it, and it has never crashed on me when I needed it the most. It just sits there. Does its magic. And ultimately pleases me.

Anyway, I congratulate Max for this great initiative and I\'m sure I will use it a lot.

Thomas

Nick Batzdorf

11-14-2003, 11:17 PM

I\'d have to say that the EXS24 on a Mac streams as well as Giga, and I\'ve found it to be as reliable. No help if you don\'t use Logic, but very convenient if you do - as long as you don\'t mind waiting for your templates to load every time you switch cues.

SyQuEsT

11-14-2003, 11:49 PM

is Gigapulse a VST plugin ? if yes, maybe Giga VST Adaptor will be able to \"convert\" it

SiliconAudioLabs

11-14-2003, 11:56 PM

Bruce,

Mac ~ PC? / PC ~ Mac?

I\'m nice and hooked up via PCMacLan now.

So will it?

JohnnyP

11-14-2003, 11:57 PM

Ok Thanks for answering. Soo I\'m still confused. how I would route audio with a giga studio VST?
I already have to route audio from my giga pc into my mac and control the giga pc with my midi controller and mac sequencer-how do I load the VST into my MAC based host? Is this thing a PC VST shell OR is it also Mac plug in? Any Beta testers out there?

11-15-2003, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by KingIdiot:
cough

images/icons/wink.gif lol graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif

Brian

Hasen

11-15-2003, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by Ouch that hurts:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />HALion can have more polyphony than _anything_ simply because you have so much control over the settings - how else could I have have a whole orchestra running on a clapped out G4 500? Sure, the realtime sound quality can be compromised to achieve this but latency is fine and who cares anyway when you\'re gonna do an offline bounce?Well, I care. I like to hear my samples, as I track with them, sounding like they\'re gonna sound in the final mix. And Giga can do this WITHOUT compromising quality (and on some pretty low-spec PCs) so why would I want something where I need to compromise the quality? <hr /></blockquote>Its called the Quality slider; you can use it if you _need_ to. I find you can put it down to 66% and still retain enough quality for it not to even matter. Its sort of like its 128k mp3 quality or even slightly better. Fine for working with and besides you only need use it if you\'re having polyphony problems.

Everyone is always raving about the efficiency of Giga but it has a self induced limitation of 80 voices which means that each _instance_ has its own computer! No wonder....

Leon Willett

11-15-2003, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyP:
Soo I\'m still confused. how I would route audio with a giga studio VST?
I already have to route audio from my giga pc into my mac and control the giga pc with my midi controller and mac sequencer-how do I load the VST into my MAC based host? Is this thing a PC VST shell OR is it also Mac plug in? Any Beta testers out there? Don\'t worry, it is rather confusing, I admit. Max is working on a way to integrate everything nicely though. At the moment, this is the deal:

- When FXT comes out for Mac, you install it on both your mac and the PC running giga.
- Then you link them up via network.
- You might need to use an VSTi-AU adapter on your mac, if your sequencer doesn\'t \"do\" VSTi.
- Then, on your giga PC, you install the GigaWrapper. This makes giga run as if it were a VSTi, instead of a standalone piece of software.
- Then, you open your sequencer on the mac, and fire up GigaWrapper (that lives on your PC) THROUGH FX-Teleport. Your mac has thus told your PC to fire up the VSTi version of GIGA. If you look at the screen on the PC, Giga will have indeed started. (magic!)
- You don\'t need a soundcard on the PC anymore, the audio gets passed over the network instead. (you can sell that card if you want)
- now, when you load instruments in the giga PC, the sound will get teleported to your mac. The midi is passed amongst the two without fuss images/icons/smile.gif

I hope that was clear images/icons/confused.gif

JohnnyP

11-15-2003, 07:42 AM

Leon,

Originally posted by Leon Willett:
Don\'t worry, it is rather confusing, I admit. Max is working on a way to integrate everything nicely though. At the moment, this is the deal:

- When FXT comes out for Mac, you install it on both your mac and the PC running giga.
- Then you link them up via network.
- You might need to use an VSTi-AU adapter on your mac, if your sequencer doesn\'t \"do\" VSTi.
- Then, on your giga PC, you install the GigaWrapper. This makes giga run as if it were a VSTi, instead of a standalone piece of software.
- Then, you open your sequencer on the mac, and fire up GigaWrapper (that lives on your PC) THROUGH FX-Teleport. Your mac has thus told your PC to fire up the VSTi version of GIGA. If you look at the screen on the PC, Giga will have indeed started. (magic!)
- You don\'t need a soundcard on the PC anymore, the audio gets passed over the network instead. (you can sell that card if you want)
- now, when you load instruments in the giga PC, the sound will get teleported to your mac. The midi is passed amongst the two without fuss images/icons/smile.gif

I hope that was clear images/icons/confused.gif Thank you, that was very helpful. Yeah the wrapper thing is a little confusing. But I think I get it.
Essentially, I network the Mac AND PC(I feel dumb bacause I know how to do this PCs and not \'Mac and Pc\'). So Gigastudio will become a VST plug via this wrapper AND the FX teleport software?

Bruce A. Richardson

11-15-2003, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by Hasen:
Everyone is always raving about the efficiency of Giga but it has a self induced limitation of 80 voices which means that each _instance_ has its own computer! No wonder.... Oh please. Can an instance of a plugin cover four MIDI ports, times 16 channels, times as many outputs as you have hardware? That\'s not within a mile of a valid point.

There is a feature in Giga 3 that I cannot WAIT to see in the public eye...but alas, I can\'t cough it up. Yet.

Even now, you cannot hold polyphony up as a true disadvantage. I\'ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don\'t know how GigaStudio approaches polyphony management. You\'re oversimplifying a huge conceptual divide between the way GigaStudio\'s engine works compared to anyone else\'s. 80 voices on GigaStudio is WAY more polyphony, REALISTICALLY, than over twice that on any other sampler--because each and every voice that\'s played is analyzed as to its relative dynamic level in the piece and its role in what you are hearing. As I have tried to explain in simple words (what, about 1000 times now) GigaStudio is constantly stealing back the voices you don\'t hear, and giving them back to you. NOT just on the overall level, NOT just on the key level, but for EVERY SINGLE SAMPLE THAT MAKES UP AN INSTRUMENT. If you\'re not hearing it, it\'s gone. You get that polyphony back. Every other sampler on the market will just play some voice at -70 db till the cows come home, whether you hear it or not. And this velocity based stealing is so well designed that, in fact, it allows a truer representation of an instrument\'s behavior!!

Giga is never going to compromise your audio quality, not in the present version and certainly not in the new version. Giga is never going to require fooling with streaming buffers or knocking down resolution to play your sequences--it will take everything you can give it.

What irony, that people will try to inflict shame upon GigaStudio for not currently supporting 24-bit samples (even though library developers CAN build with them--they just get converted when the GIG is mastered). Yet, they\'ll spin 180 degrees in a discussion and be satisfied that they have to reduce their audio resolution to that of an MP3 to get work done. Puh-lease.

And the reason people run multiple Giga machines is NOT to make up for a lack of polyphony by any stretch of the imagination. They do it because they are SLAMMING WORK, and GigaStudio is a hardcore, scalable system. There are people in this world who don\'t want to dink with, or be at the mercy of, DAW apps to get their sampler functionality. I use samplers on stage in high-demand performance settings. Plugins need not apply. I like being able to type \"gun not pistol not machine gun\" into the search window and get a list of shotgun sounds. I like being able to type \"Vienna legato\" and instantly have all of those at my fingertips. I like being able to find any wave file on my network in about 1 second.

I\'ve performed with it on stage for four solid years this very month (counting a year of GigaSampler) and have never once had a single hiccup. These are things that only a hardcore, targeted, SERIOUS application can handle. And Giga\'s three year old technology still handles them better than anyone.

People have every reason to celebrate continuing (and increasing) plans for third parties to support GigaStudio. Come Giga 3.0, you\'ll see the same scramble to attempt (and fail) to catch up to their technology as you\'ve seen the past three years. These guys don\'t believe in incremental upgrades. They like to reinvent themselves, and thankfully, we all benefit from that. Even people who don\'t mind the me-too technology. Best support for Giga libraries indeed. When your best ad bullet is \"we\'re number two,\" that\'s something to consider...

Bruce A. Richardson

11-15-2003, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyP:
So Gigastudio will become a VST plug via this wrapper AND the FX teleport software? Yes, that\'s correct, Johnny.

Alexcremers

11-15-2003, 08:11 AM

There is a feature in Giga 3 that I cannot WAIT to see in the public eye...but alas, I can\'t cough it up. Yet. I tell you what I know, you tell me what you know. Okay? Alright, you go first.

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Alex Cremers

Bruce A. Richardson

11-15-2003, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Alexcremers:
I tell you what I know, you tell me what you know. Okay? Alright, you go first.
Plant your corn early. If your girlfriend shows you her collection of engagement rings, dump her. People under the age of 30 should spend more money on wine and women than sample libraries. Drugs will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no drugs. Lawyers are scumbags right up until the moment you need one.

Nice try, haha. Soon enough, my friend.

Alexcremers

11-15-2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:

Nice try, haha. Soon enough, my friend. Hey man, did you see me placing a winkie? I\'m dead serious. Okay, okay, to show you that I\'m not bluffing I\'ll give you this: 3.0 ( images/icons/wink.gif , images/icons/wink.gif , images/icons/wink.gif ) will use a more familiar way for altering TVA/TVF envelopes. More like a regular synth\'s ADSR. And this will all be possible in...realtime!!! Are you floored yet?
Now it\'s your turn.

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Alex Cremers

Kenn159

11-15-2003, 09:05 AM

Gigastudio has performance advantages over the VST softsampler competition because it does not run as a VST at the program level, but a the kernel level.
If Gigastudio becomes a VST through the Giga VST wrapper will it loose its Latency and performance advantage?

Alexcremers

11-15-2003, 09:10 AM

SiliconAudioLabs

11-15-2003, 01:18 PM

And the reason people run multiple Giga machines is NOT to make up for a lack of polyphony by any stretch of the imagination. They do it because they are SLAMMING WORK, and GigaStudio is a hardcore, scalable system. There are people in this world who don\'t want to dink with, or be at the mercy of, DAW apps to get their sampler functionality.Ah-F-!@#-ing-Men!!! images/icons/grin.gif

Rob Elliott

11-15-2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Alexcremers:
I tell you what I know, you tell me what you know. Okay? Alright, you go first.
Plant your corn early. If your girlfriend shows you her collection of engagement rings, dump her. People under the age of 30 should spend more money on wine and women than sample libraries. Drugs will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no drugs. Lawyers are scumbags right up until the moment you need one.

Nice try, haha. Soon enough, my friend. <hr /></blockquote>Bruce,

You forgot one of Zappa\'s best - \"Don\'t ever pet a burning dog\". Worth living by.

Rob

Scott Cairns

11-15-2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Houston Haynes;

If GigaStudio was so great and so wonderful, TASCAM wouldn\'t be re-engineering the thing from the ground up.Actually this is commonplace in software development. It\'s the nature of Object Oriented Programming and componentized code that it eventually gets bloated and loses effiency. Everytime a bug is fixed, a feature added, the code grows.

Taking all of the things that worked right and starting on a clean programming slate makes perfect sense.

If anyone is familiar with the multimedia app Director, that code was added to and added to right from version 1 up to version 6. Version 7 was a complete rewrite from the ground up and is still one of the best ever releases of the product. Sorry for the pointless history. images/icons/smile.gif

The very fact that Tascam are bothering to completely rewrite this app should be taken as a positive sign.

Scott Cairns

11-15-2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Bruce Richardson:

I like being able to type \"gun not pistol not machine gun\" into the search window and get a list of shotgun sounds.So Giga supports Boolean searches? That is very cool, I didnt know that.

Recently I worked on a track that I felt needed a cabasa. I didn\'t even KNOW if I had one but did a search through Giga and there was one hiding in AO. The search is definetely a very cool feature. images/icons/wink.gif

Bruce A. Richardson

11-15-2003, 07:30 PM

The entire Hollywood Edge FX library is \"Giga\'ed\" as well. It\'s simply amazing how fast you can detail a scene. This is just one of a myriad of details which sets Giga totally apart from plugin samplers. There IS a difference. A huge one.

Simon Ravn

11-15-2003, 07:51 PM

Disregard(tm)

KingIdiot

11-15-2003, 11:52 PM

Bruce, I cant for the life of me understand why you rely on Giga for detailing a scene. While I understand having a sampler is perfect for SFX, most of the SFX work I do requires fine tuning and cut/splicing that I just cant do in Giga quickly. I\'d MUCH rather use Vegas and microsofts find feature for moost SFX work (with the occasional Giga/kontakt real time control/MIDI control. Which I still find I have learned to do the same and be quicker with in editors like Vegas and Sforge.

The only thing I\'d do sampler stuff for is a shootout or something where I jsut need to find a tempo of random sounds that work. Maybe I\'m jsut too much of a fine tuning geek.

Bruce A. Richardson

11-16-2003, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by KingIdiot:
Bruce, I cant for the life of me understand why you rely on Giga for detailing a scene. While I understand having a sampler is perfect for SFX, most of the SFX work I do requires fine tuning and cut/splicing that I just cant do in Giga quickly. I\'d MUCH rather use Vegas and microsofts find feature for moost SFX work (with the occasional Giga/kontakt real time control/MIDI control. Which I still find I have learned to do the same and be quicker with in editors like Vegas and Sforge.

The only thing I\'d do sampler stuff for is a shootout or something where I jsut need to find a tempo of random sounds that work. Maybe I\'m jsut too much of a fine tuning geek. No, not to actually lay them down. To FIND them. I use Vegas to lay them in. But I\'ve always got Giga running on the screeen next to me. I see what I need from the video, type it into Giga, and WHAM, there\'s the whole list of what I\'ve got that relates. I pull them onto a Distributed Wave file, audition them, find the one I want, and the path is displayed for each one as I hit its \"key.\" Then I just drag it into Vegas across the network. Once I\'ve confirmed it works, I drag it into the \"upper pane\" of the Distributed Wave tab, and reset the lower wavepool. That way, I can archive all the sounds I used into a GIG file for the project, so if I need to recall it, there it is.

Sorry, I should have detailed that a bit more. But you should try it (if your SFX are all named accurately enough to search this way). It is so fast...about 100 times faster than using Microsoft Find (because you can audition things so fast to find the exact right sound before you drag it into Vegas--and because it can search your whole library in less than a second).

Bruce A. Richardson

11-16-2003, 08:15 AM

And actually, there are some types of SFX cues that are very nicely performable. Anytime you\'re in Distributed Wave, notice that the Mod Wheel is set up as a lowpass filter. Things like changing ambience are really convenient to do there...say you have a traffic sound bleeding into a room space, and someone opens an exterior door. You can lay that in realtime pretty effectively, and not spend a lot of time constructing automated filters in the actual tracks. It\'s a cue by cue thing. I\'ve gotten pretty good at judging whether it\'s something that\'s going to save time one way or the other, and of course, I try to pick the fastest way to get the job done. Usually it\'s spotting multiple FX using Giga/keyboard, then dragging in the ones that worked best...say, auditioning 20 explosions really fast to find the one that sits best against the bed.

JohnnyP

11-16-2003, 10:14 AM

How long till Max puts out software for Macintosh users?
I emailed his site directly but wonder if anyone here knew of a time table?

Max [FX Teleport]

11-16-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Leon Willett:
- When FXT comes out for Mac, you install it on both your mac and the PC running giga.
- Then you link them up via network.
- You might need to use an VSTi-AU adapter on your mac, if your sequencer doesn\'t \"do\" VSTi.
- Then, on your giga PC, you install the GigaWrapper. This makes giga run as if it were a VSTi, instead of a standalone piece of software.
- Then, you open your sequencer on the mac, and fire up GigaWrapper (that lives on your PC) THROUGH FX-Teleport. Your mac has thus told your PC to fire up the VSTi version of GIGA. If you look at the screen on the PC, Giga will have indeed started. (magic!)
Hi,
Indeed you\'ll not need VST AU Adapter on Mac. I\'ll try to hide all things under the hood. Like \'install FX Teleport on Mac (AU/VST/RTAS?) and FX Teleport Giga edition on PC.

Max [FX Teleport]

11-16-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Kenn159:
Gigastudio has performance advantages over the VST softsampler competition because it does not run as a VST at the program level, but a the kernel level.
If Gigastudio becomes a VST through the Giga VST wrapper will it loose its Latency and performance advantage? Look, now Giga is running at kernel level and talks to driver directly. Thus it can achive upto 64 sample latency (one buffer delay).
When running it in proper VST Host with ASIO or Kernel Streaming output, you can stream any audio using 1 or 2 buffer delay with the same upto 64 samples. If you use Giga VST Adapter, it will additionally stream data from kernel to user mode (without added latency, provided GSIF and VST buffers are equal).

So with VST we can have the same latency PLUS a bit CPU overhead (measurements made with current GVA beta shows that overhead is neglible). Stability in terms of bluescreens or other crashes alomost the same. Additional benefit - intergation in host mixer and song, usage with FX Teleport.

Leon Willett

11-16-2003, 02:06 PM

I can testify to that.

Simon Ravn

11-16-2003, 02:15 PM

Urgh Max you lost me on those calculations. What are you saying here - what will the actual delay be when running GS wrapped, compared to the \"GSIF\" buffer (whatever that is). Any way to tell this simple? Like Delay=Soundcard buffer size+xxx+xxx or smth? And what about the delay from using FXT? I don\'t know quite what kind of delay to expect. Will it be like running an FXT plugin in VStack (ASIO) on the other machine, more than that, less than that?

Daedalus

11-16-2003, 03:17 PM

If GigaStudio was so great and so wonderful, TASCAM wouldn\'t be re-engineering the thing from the ground up. I see this as a very good thing. Look at what this did for Cubase SX. Sometimes things need to be re-written from the ground up to accomodate new technologies that were not present at the time of the original development. (For Giga that is a long time ago)

Daedalus

Daedalus

11-16-2003, 03:56 PM

My main curiosity about this Giga wrapper will be the fact that midi is sent directly from the sequencer to Giga... Where will my *insert midi tool here* fit within the midi chain now?

For example if I want to use Maestro Tools with GOS, will I still be able to insert this somehow?

Maybe I haven\'t read enough about this yet... Sounds amazing so far though. I can only imagine what this will do for Mac-PC interoperability and colaboration. Let alone the amount I\'ll save on soundcards....

KingIdiot

11-16-2003, 11:23 PM

no concrete time table, but its being worked on right now. There should be a beta soon

JohnnyP

11-17-2003, 03:44 AM

Max

Originally posted by Max [FX Teleport]:
Hi,
Indeed you\'ll not need VST AU Adapter on Mac. I\'ll try to hide all things under the hood. Like \'install FX Teleport on Mac (AU/VST/RTAS?) and FX Teleport Giga edition on PC. [/QUOTE]
Wow! that is pretty amazing. This really frees up resources for us Giga PC and Mac users. What kind of networking needs to happen?
I have a router for my Music Mac, and Giga PC and the machines share an DSL connection but not files (ie I don\'t see Either computer on the other). What more/how do I do this? How soon till the Beta Mac version?

Leon Willett

11-17-2003, 04:31 AM

Hi Johnny,

The network required is just a completely standard LAN. I\'m using 5 computers with FX-Teleport with just a 100mbit network, but you can go mad and get gigabit if you want. Get a switch (not a hub) to link them up, and make sure it is full duplex.

As to how soon for Mac, I don\'t know. Max may have estimated an ETA over on www.fx-max.com/forum (\"http://www.fx-max.com/forum\") but I\'m not sure.

Take care

JohnnyP

11-17-2003, 07:38 AM

The network required is just a completely standard LAN. I\'m using 5 computers with FX-Teleport with just a 100mbit network, but you can go mad and get gigabit if you want. Get a switch (not a hub) to link them up, and make sure it is full duplex.
Take care [/QB]Ok, so when I do this, regardless of what software is being run, will I be able to see the Macintosh computer from the networking neighborhood on the PC? Sorry to be a newbie, Again I have networked PCs but not PCS and Macs together. last year I had some consultan network my home and he said he could do network Macs and PC but it was really difficult. How true is this ( I didn\'t pay him much)?

Leon Willett

11-17-2003, 08:14 AM

As far as I know, you won\'t need to worry about all this. If you just hook them up, FX-Teleport will do search the network itself, showing you the plugins that are available over LAN (wether they are on a pc or a mac).

christian marin

11-17-2003, 08:17 AM

if you\'re running osX (10.2.8 works almost flawless for this) you can share folders for windows pcs and read windows shares (given they are in the same TCP/IP network), if you are on os9 you had to run dave or a similar app (which i cannot recommend really)
for FX products you don\'t even need to have shares
christian

JohnnyP

11-17-2003, 09:23 AM

Christian and Leon,
Thanks. Yeah I don\'t do too much networking so your comments are helpful.
I am on OS9 right now until all my plugs and software is ready for OSX.
But it sounds like I just have to have both computers pluged into a swith/router. BUT I need to be able to share files between both computers? Also its doable in OS9 but easier in OSX 10.2

Thanks

christian marin

11-17-2003, 10:21 AM

you can also look for miramar\'s pcmclan or group logic\'s extreme z-ip, which is the fastest i\'ve found - they have a series of good docs on their pagesgrouplogic (\"http://www.grouplogic.com/products/extreme/overview.cfm\") miramar (\"http://support.miramar.com/MiramarWeb.nsf/web/prod_main_ProductsIndex\")
christian

Daedalus

11-17-2003, 12:32 PM

I\'m impressed! images/icons/smile.gif

Max [FX Teleport]

11-17-2003, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Simon Ravn:
Urgh Max you lost me on those calculations. What are you saying here - what will the actual delay be when running GS wrapped, compared to the \"GSIF\" buffer (whatever that is). Any way to tell this simple? Like Delay=Soundcard buffer size+xxx+xxx or smth? And what about the delay from using FXT? I don\'t know quite what kind of delay to expect. Will it be like running an FXT plugin in VStack (ASIO) on the other machine, more than that, less than that? When you are running Giga with GVA on the same machine as your VST Host, latency will be generally (there are some exclusions when host is set to odd beffer value, but I\'ll not bother you with it) the same as you have with any other VSTi in this host.

When you are running Giga over LAN (FX Teleport + GVA) you\'ll get usual latency + network latency.

Bruce mentioned extra latency in VST Hosts compared to Giga stanalone. I should say that with VST host, with support of kernel streaming or ASIO output, latency should be the same as with Giga standalone. One thing - VST hosts usualy quntizes all incoming MIDI, while Giga tries to spread it across the buffer. I.e. VST hosts usually has bigger jitter than Giga, but with 64-sample buffers it should not be evident.

Max [FX Teleport]

11-17-2003, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyP:
What kind of networking needs to happen?
I have a router for my Music Mac, and Giga PC and the machines share an DSL connection but not files (ie I don\'t see Either computer on the other). What more/how do I do this? How soon till the Beta Mac version? You need to connect all computers via 100 MBit or 1 GBit or Firewire, setup TCP/IP. Mac OSX beta should be ready within 2 months. OS9 still under big question.

JohnnyP

11-17-2003, 11:31 PM

Max,

You need to connect all computers via 100 MBit or 1 GBit or Firewire, setup TCP/IP. Mac OSX beta should be ready within 2 months. OS9 still under big question.Thanks for answering my newbie network questions. Yes, I would love an OS9 version BUT I think the fact that you are making a Mac version is great period.

Thanks

Max [FX Teleport]

11-17-2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Daedalus:
My main curiosity about this Giga wrapper will be the fact that midi is sent directly from the sequencer to Giga... Where will my *insert midi tool here* fit within the midi chain now?
As far as I familiar with VSL tool, it is integrates with GVA in such way: GVA MIDI goes to the tool via virtual MIDI cable (MIDI Yoke or whatever) then
tool ouputs to Giga. Audio goes from Giga to VSTi outputs

Leon Willett

11-18-2003, 03:42 AM

The fact that the latency of GIGA as a VSTi will be the same as it is in standalone mode is seriously AWSOME!

PeterRoos

11-18-2003, 04:15 AM

How many stereo channels can be returned from GigaWrappedAsVSTi to the host? Or are VSTi\'s limited to stereo returns?

Sorry for being a dumbo, I just haven\'t used any VSIi yet images/icons/tongue.gif

If I work with SX2 and dedicate another PC to a setup like this, can SX receive multiple stereo channels from such a virtualized audio PC?

Am I correct to assume that the Giga PC does not need ANY audiocard and driver? Does GVA virtualize this entirely?

Peter

PeterRoos

11-18-2003, 06:42 AM

Up to 32, Max just answered on his forum.

Could have known, his name is Max images/icons/grin.gif

Jake Johnson

11-18-2003, 08:13 AM

When can we expect this to be on the market? Has a price been set?

Max [FX Teleport]

11-18-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Jake Johnson:
When can we expect this to be on the market? Has a price been set? Month for Giga Adapter itself and month or two for Mac version of FX Teleport.
Price is to be decided. How much you think would be appropriate?

Max [FX Teleport]

11-18-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by PeterRoos:
If I work with SX2 and dedicate another PC to a setup like this, can SX receive multiple stereo channels from such a virtualized audio PC?

Am I correct to assume that the Giga PC does not need ANY audiocard and driver? Does GVA virtualize this entirely? Yes, upto 32 stereo.

Correct. You need only network card on Giga PC.

Jake Johnson

11-18-2003, 02:08 PM

Well, of course, it\'s hard to say. It would be great to have Giga as a VSTI without additional latency. At the same time, many VSTI\'s with full instrument sets are well under a hundred dollars, now, and Giga 3.0 may have this ability. And, of course, we would all like it to be inexpensive...

SiliconAudioLabs

11-18-2003, 07:39 PM

$199.00 to $249.00 images/icons/wink.gif

SiliconAudioLabs

11-18-2003, 07:45 PM

You just gotta do Mac OS 9!! You gotta!!! images/icons/shocked.gif

We got like FIVE or more running 9.22 - because we got them all stable, and we run a fast turn composition/post facility, and going up to OSX, like the ELEVEN times we did, there where STILL issues - Panther anyone?

We got plugz - Digi drivers - DAE drivers - DirectConnect drivers - Altiverb drivers - Emagic drivers - ESB - HEEEEEELLP!!!!

On and on it goes and that\'s just SOME of the list - some of these are not fully OSX ready/interoperable!!

PLEASE DO 9!!! Charge more!! That\'d be the $249.00 version - OK? images/icons/frown.gif

Jake Johnson

11-19-2003, 07:38 AM

Hate to ask, but $200 plus seem a little steep to other people? Many people would pay this price, but many people might wait to see what\'s in Giga 3.0, hoping for the same functionality.

KingIdiot

11-20-2003, 02:21 AM

Max hasn\'t stated a price. I dunno where the 199+ figure comes from.

Take a look at his ther products. IThey are really chep, starting at around 49 bucks for the first license.

tabbu

11-20-2003, 03:48 PM

I would pay about 100-150 for it. IF I would get unlimited licenses with it. It wouldn\'t be fair to pay three times (or more) just to get it to all gigacomputers.

If one has to buy multiple giga wrappers, then I would like to see the price been lower.

Tabbu

Owel

11-20-2003, 03:55 PM

Impulse purchase! I would pay $49 for it.

If it becomes more expensive, I\'d put in a real sound card on my Giga computer.

People, it\'s just a wrapper! Definitely, I\'m not paying $99+ for a wrapper. If it\'s between $49 to $98, I\'ll have second thoughts about it... not unless it includes a lot of extra goodies.

Think Chinese buffet... price it low, and make it up in volume! Don\'t think like Apple, price it high, and make it up in profits.

keytar

11-20-2003, 10:42 PM

\"Price is to be decided. How much you think would be appropriate?\"

Remember who your target market is. Commercial composers who use Gigastudio. If I was marketing this gem, and keep in mind the small number of active/purchasing GigaStudio users, I would price at least in the $200.00 range. This gives you room to do discounts, sales, that might bring it down to $100.00-$150.00 when it\'s on sale. Just my .02

mattzen

11-20-2003, 11:22 PM

RE: pricing. Don\'t forget that this would save you from buying a sound card for all of your giga machines. I think a similar pricing structure to FXT based on # of computers is fair.

-matt mariano

Max [FX Teleport]

11-22-2003, 09:46 AM

Thank you for ideas. I\'m thinking per-server price with volume discount, like for FX Teleport.

What do you think about demand on local version of Giga VST Adapter compared to FXT+Giga VST Adapter?

Eric G

11-22-2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by keytar:
\"Price is to be decided. How much you think would be appropriate?\"

Remember who your target market is. Commercial composers who use Gigastudio. Mmm...I\'m a semi-pro/amateur (steady stream of clients in a small market, but my real job limits what I can take). I\'m interested in the wrapper if it will help me avoid the hassle & time consuming process of capturing-to-wave on every track I need for mixdown on projects that don\'t require my second machine. I\'ll bet I\'m not alone! There may be a bit more volume potential than meets the eye.

If I was marketing this gem, and keep in mind the small number of active/purchasing GigaStudio users, I would price at least in the $200.00 range. At that price, as a consumer I\'d personally forget about the wrapper until GS3 comes around, and make a decision after looking at both options. I\'ll bet the upgrade price from the current Giga version will be in that ballpark.

--Eric