GPO User Demo Posted (small string ensemble and english horn) [Archive]

Alan Lastufka

11-26-2003, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by andyt:
Alan, what are your views on the tool ?
I think GPO is AWESOME! I have never owned a sample library before GPO and DIVA and was able to produce this demo in just a couple of hours, very quick in my opinion! Programming was very easy.

Gary called this morning and helped me with the legato tool and I will repost later with an updated (more expressive) version.

Thanks guys for the listen,
AL

christianb

11-26-2003, 12:12 PM

Hey Alan,
nice job getting a demo out there in record time.
Now, of course, you will be asked to pump out a dozen or so different genres featuring every single articulation in a solo spotlight so as to hear what this extremely expensive library REALLY sounds like. images/icons/grin.gif

without further ado... my vote is for a balls out ska demo.
how long Alan?

very nice work

cb

by the way since no one mentioned it , I quite liked the oboe

Owel

11-26-2003, 10:08 PM

Nice sounds... I love the violin. Really high quality samples, sounds more expensive than $250.

I guess this swayed me back again to GPO after flip-flopping back and forth.

Man, this is torture... I think I will end up buying both GPO and Silver.

Thanks for this \"independent\" demo!

11-26-2003, 11:19 PM

Hi,

Nice job for only having it a few hours. I agree with the harp. I find it too upfront for my taste but it may be the way that you wanted to hear it. Perhaps if you bring the volume down slightly and give it a little more reverb to the harp it may get the right placement.

For only $250, GPO sounds really good. It\'s great to have so many viable choices for people who are on a small or even medium budget. For small budgets, someone could get GPO or EWQLSO Silver (or both) and on the medium side, someone can go to EWQLSO Gold and/or Opus 1.

FV

Bela D Media

11-26-2003, 11:28 PM

WOW!

Need I say more?

Bela D Media

11-26-2003, 11:35 PM

Ok - I will say more images/icons/smile.gif

The violin is so emotional and real!!
The legato sounds very nice as well.

What\'s your secret, Gary? images/icons/smile.gif

Alan,

I love your work. This is very good for a quicky!

handz

11-27-2003, 04:28 AM

hmm yes, violin sounds nice, cute and sweet but what the hell is that sound in 0:49->!! it sounds terrible. (strings) I could tell you that whit Edirol Orchestral you could get better sound images/icons/rolleyes.gif

But Thanks for posting thid demo (finally i Know that im not go into GPO graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif )

composition is nice BTW...

robgb

11-27-2003, 04:30 AM

Handz, we knew you weren\'t going with GPO from the very beginning...

handz

11-27-2003, 04:37 AM

well, mister \"dontbreakmyintegrityImabsolutlyantiewqlsosilver\" at least im no fanatic anti ewqlso beacause they don´t like me.... images/icons/rolleyes.gif
My opinion is objective, and i not sayng I dont´like something until I really dont heard it. And now after this demo - heh I can say that ensamble in GPO sounds terrible.......
(just listen it - at 0:49 ...is it someone stepping on cats tail? images/icons/tongue.gif )

PeterRoos

11-27-2003, 05:42 AM

I entirely agree with Handz on this, the chords starting at 0:30 and 0:49 sound very, well, special... The sound reminded me of the synth music they often play in Chinese restaurants. I am probably offending some people now, sorry about that, but I think this demo was probably posted too quickly and is hopefully not representative of the GPO package. This sound is not any better than good old AO. Again sorry for stepping on toes images/icons/rolleyes.gif

andyt

11-27-2003, 10:01 AM

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Not sure about the sounds at 30, but is it an accordian at 49 ? I did notice on first hearing but just thought it was ... well I didn\'t think for a minute they were strings.

RickD

11-27-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by J. Whaley:
........

Alan did a very nice thing by showing us what a smaller sound could do. I think he did a great job.

Thanks Alan.

J- I agree 100%. Thanks Alan.

Rick

handz

11-27-2003, 12:17 PM

Haydn - the comparsion of Edirol orchestral and GPO was more joke than my real opinion - this what I (not only I) heard at 0:49 sounds definitely worst or just same as made whit oldschool libraries like AO or Vitous. Your argument that it was quick presentation is cant be taked seriously- it is only small ensamble and abou 2 minutes...there is no controlers, expresion- sorry but I dont take that. Every good library must sound better than this also whitout using all possible controlers and reading huge manual...

heh and - hystory is repeating- GOS-theyare great - but you must use maestro tools and lots of EQ if you dont want to sound synthy . When SISS came - they sound nice just out of the box... I think that this is the big + for EWQLSO - it has natural reverb and built in reverb so they are out of the boc and you dont need to spent hours on EQing when you want to compose ... images/icons/frown.gif

astrt4

11-27-2003, 12:32 PM

Handz, my initial impression was also that we\'re hearing solo strings phasing at that point. Do that with any library and you get a very strange sound.

Tarkio Road

11-27-2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by handz:
heh and - hystory is repeating- GOS-theyare great - but you must use maestro tools and lots of EQ if you dont want to sound synthy .handz - I have GOS. What EQ settings do you recommend for these strings? Thanks.

PeterRoos

11-27-2003, 12:47 PM

(This is going OT...)
I find that Simon Ravn\'s suggestion works quite well: for the violins apply two fairly narrow filters around 1300 and 2900, range -3 to -5 dB, Q something like 5-7. This reduces the harshness. Can\'t check my other settings for viola, celli and cbs now...
I\'m curious to hear other user\'s EQ preferences.

PeterRoos

11-27-2003, 01:07 PM

Houston Haynes

11-27-2003, 01:07 PM

I think this is a nice first effort with a new instrument.

As far as composition/note selection goes, I find that there\'s too much homophony and chord blocks for the size of the ensemble. I\'d like to hear more parts in the accompaniment move in and out of each other instead of sounding like they were played in a piano keyboard style. I\'d also like to hear the instruments enter and leave in a more \"staggered\" fashion, and give a chance for each instrument to \"breathe\" on its own as it\'s voices enters and leaves the mix.

As far as fully leveraging the full technical capabilities of GPO, I would suggest investagation into using the mod wheel and portamento controls on the solo instruments, as well as more intentional use of the legato and alternation controls.

One of the things that a truly representative instrument suite like the GPO demands of you is to \"drive\" each instrument and/or section throughout the performance. As you become more comfortable with the more-or-less constant demand for controller/performance data, your orchestrations will improve.

Note: Double-check your \"sustain/sostenuto\" options in the NIKontakt player to be sure you can switch legato mode from the foot pedal - if you need. I have the luxury of front panel switches on my Kurzweil Midiboard, but the GPO manual has some suggestions for a \"standard\" controller setup.

Good luck and continued success - and Happy Thanksgiving. images/icons/grin.gif

Houston Haynes

11-27-2003, 01:56 PM

I think it\'s also important to consider criticism that is only offered in the same spirit as that your example was given.

PeterRoos

11-27-2003, 02:03 PM

I\'m lost images/icons/confused.gif

Tarkio Road

11-27-2003, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by chocothrax:
Hehe Peter I think Takiro was just joking and doesn\'t actually want EQ advice, although i\'m not 100% sure images/icons/smile.gif Thanks Peter. Actually I wasn\'t joking. I have read numerous posts saying that GOS needs some EQ, so I really do want to know what has worked well for people.

(Although lately, it has been hard to know when someone is just messin\' with ya. images/icons/smile.gif )

Happy Thanksgiving to those who worship the turkey! (okay, no George Bush jokes!)

dcornutt

11-27-2003, 07:56 PM

First, thanks Alan for the quick posting of your GPO experience.

This has no reflection on Alan, but just wondering if anyone else noticed, that the vibrato seems to be the same depth, speed, etc, for all instruments? I think beyond the bar sections mentioned earlier (violas?) that sounds a little strange, that bugged me more than anything.

I can figure, you must have used the same patch to build the ensemble with...but then..it confounds me that the vibrato would also be the same speed, depth, rate, across all sections of instruments. Is the vibrato in GPO LFO based globally?

Ned Bouhalassa

11-27-2003, 08:04 PM

I wouldn\'t be surprised. Obviously, in order to fit so many instruments in such a small data footprint, there must be some major programming going on. Odds are that the vibrato is LFO-based. That\'s not so bad, because that means you can control each instrument\'s vibrato via the LFOs (I\'m pretty sure that there\'s not only one LFO for all instruments). This, however, is the kind of detail that you don\'t get to if you\'re just trying to put something together very quickly, like Alan did.

Haydn

11-27-2003, 11:38 PM

This was an out of the box recording not using any of the controllers built into GPO per another thread in the Garritan forum. There has been no expression added and the legato mode is not used. Also, I\'m not sure how Alan built his solo string ensemble. It sounds like he used the same patches and not the proper ensemble instruments. What you hear at the :49 second mark is phasing in the solo strings.

It\'s very important with this library to read the manual as it explains the controllers and how to use the ensemble instruments. I\'m sure Alan just wanted to show us what you can do quickly in a few hours time sitting down with the library for the first time.

Handz, since you claim the Edirol Orchestra is much better, then I would like to hear a post of it. Remember, these were not section strings but just solo strings.

I can guarantee with work that the solo strings sound much better than AO\'s. I\'ve always found AO\'s strings, which I own and haven\'t used for awhile, sort of scratchy sounding and recorded way to close.

J. Whaley

11-27-2003, 11:46 PM

It just sounds a little blocky there, but I\'m sure that\'s a time invested issue. Alan\'s done a great job for only a couple hours. I have 2 other solo string libraries and I\'ve never got that good of a solo violin sound. The harp sounds good, and I bet after Alan gets a couple weeks to work with GPO the group strings will kick butt too. Some people just don\'t know how to appreciate other people. If you\'re so critical then why don\'t you post something that sounds better.... go right ahead, we\'ll all listen and then rip you up and down.

Alan did a very nice thing by showing us what a smaller sound could do. I think he did a great job.

Thanks Alan.

J-

Marsdy

11-28-2003, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by dcornutt:
First, thanks Alan for the quick posting of your GPO experience.

This has no reflection on Alan, but just wondering if anyone else noticed, that the vibrato seems to be the same depth, speed, etc, for all instruments? I think beyond the bar sections mentioned earlier (violas?) that sounds a little strange, that bugged me more than anything.

I can figure, you must have used the same patch to build the ensemble with...but then..it confounds me that the vibrato would also be the same speed, depth, rate, across all sections of instruments. Is the vibrato in GPO LFO based globally? I noticed this too. It may be that the loops are placed at the start and end of one cycle of the natural vibrato. This is an old trick for keeping sample size down and disguising short loops. If this is the case, It\'s understandable if they are trying to keep the size of the library compact.

Alan Lastufka

11-28-2003, 09:45 AM

Hey guys,

Sorry if this has ruined the GPO lib for some, PLEASE don\'t make up your minds based on my small demo, I REALLY want to stress that this is the FIRST demo I\'ve ever done with samples (other than a very short piece using the free KOMPAKT lib).

As I stated on Mr. Garritan\'s forum, I did NOT use any of the mod wheel controls, nor the legato mode on this demo, simply because I didn\'t know how... I\'ve never done this before...

I just heard a lot of people looking forward to hearing a small string ensemble and so I wanted to give that to them as soon as possible as I was lucky enough to get mine quick.

I am now working with the mod wheel controls and the legato mode and will post an updated, more \'expressive\' version soon, using the ensemble strings instead of the solo strings for the appropriate areas.

Again, PLEASE don\'t hold my ignorance in programming against this library!

AL

Not Dudley Simpson

11-28-2003, 10:02 AM

From some of the posts here, I\'d say you were getting a baptism of fire! But don\'t sweat it, Alan. images/icons/cool.gif I think it was a darn good effort for a first try. Keep it up!

Cheers.

Heath

KingIdiot

11-28-2003, 10:10 AM

Alan dont be afraid to post your demos. Also feel free to post your experiences with the library if you\'re worried about your demo quality.

People SHOULD understand that you\'re offering up YOUR experiences, and that their mileage may vary. This goes just the same with the \"big\" demos of GPO.

IMHO I think you\'ve done a fine job for your very first sampled sequence ever.

I\'d suggest taking some time and working with the tools, ust to understand them. I dont have GPO (Gary, dont I get one?), so I cant suggest any tips specifically. But generally what you may want to do is just work on short phrases to learn how the legato stuff works and expression control. Building some \"moving\" lines that move dynamically just for practice. Do it with all instruments so you learn the intricacies, and then with all the choirs so you learn how they work together in each instrument group.

Haydn

11-28-2003, 02:10 PM

The string vibratos are natural, not LFO. Vibratos from note to note should stay pretty consistent which is what will occur on chromatic samples. I\'m not sure what instruments were used but it is possible they were all the same violin.

Keep up the good work, Alan.

Handz, I\'m still waiting for your demos.

robgb

11-28-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by handz:
well, mister \"dontbreakmyintegrityImabsolutlyantiewqlsosilver\" at least im no fanatic anti ewqlso beacause they don´t like me.... What the heck are you talking about? You\'re certainly a puzzle.

As for the demo, I think parts of it sound great, other parts not so great -- but remember the piece was posted shortly after Alan GOT GPO, so give him a break.

I just got GPO a couple of days ago, haven\'t had time to spend more than a couple of minutes with it, but what I\'ve played with sounds excellent.

I\'ll know more after the holiday. Who knows, maybe I\'ll work up that so-called Hollywood demo everybody\'s dying for... images/icons/smile.gif

handz

11-28-2003, 05:45 PM

robgb: what Im talkin about? heh, on the EWQL Forum I read that you try to cooperate whit them but they said NO and from that time you speak bad about products of them... images/icons/rolleyes.gif ´

Haydn : demos of what?

robgb

11-29-2003, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by handz:
robgb: what Im talkin about? heh, on the EWQL Forum I read that you try to cooperate whit them but they said NO and from that time you speak bad about products of them... images/icons/rolleyes.gif ´

Most of my posts have been positive about EWQL, especially their library that comes with Kompakt. I think it\'s excellent and have said so more than once. I also think the demos for Gold and Platinum sound great.

The only negative thing I had to say was in regard to Silver, based on the demo I heard. It sounded synthy to me and, IMO, GPO sounds much better.

I HAVE asked for a review copy of Platinum in the past, but Doug didn\'t feel the magazine I write for represented their customer base. Is that what you\'re referring to? If this were enough to upset me, I think I\'d be dissing PLATINUM, not Silver... Developers turn me down ALL THE TIME (VSL is another example), and this is a normal part of business. So it would be silly of me to start making a fuss about it.

My comments about Silver were based purely on what I heard. For you to suggest anything else is absurd.

Handz, you really shouldn\'t bother commenting on things you know nothing about.

handz

11-29-2003, 04:42 AM

robgb: I know enought to talk.... graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif
its your opinion VS many other that SILVER is worst than GPO.
and After I red what Nick tal ybout you on EWQLSO forum - sorry I cant trust your opinions...
´
AND: the main goodie on SILVER is that you can whenever you want and have money upgrade to GOLD....Platinum whit GPO?end of the road..

PeterRoos

11-29-2003, 06:09 AM

Please don\'t hijack Alan\'s post for yet another \"this versus that\" ranting soap.

robgb

11-29-2003, 11:15 PM

Yes, thank you. I really don\'t know what this guy is talking about and don\'t CARE to know. This thread has nothing to do with Silver or EWQL.

Alan, congrats, by the way for managing to do so well your first time at bat...

handz

11-30-2003, 03:17 AM

This Topic is about demo of GPO one of Two Cheap libraries of today...so it has everything to do whit silver as well. Logicaly comparsion between those libraries is on hand..

forALL if anyone don´t know what Im talking about Just look at EWQLSO forum and read what Nick Phoenix told to robgb... graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif

dpasdernick

12-04-2003, 07:59 PM

I can honestly say that I haven\'t heard a single demo from GPO that has made me want to buy it. To me, they all sound lifeless and flat. I do not think it\'s the people who demo or their abilities. What I am hearing is a very real \"out of the box\" experience. Nice and honest. I find it odd that the string quartet demo was asked to be removed. That\'s the real product we heard, tuning problems and all. This is what you pre-ordered and until the bug fixes come this is what you have. I mean no disrespect to Gary. He is obviously capable of some fine instruments and as far as mocking up an orchestra this, or Edirol, or the Roland, Emu, or Korg expansion cards should get you there. There\'s a reason libraries like VSLO take up to 95 gigabytes, because emulating the many nuances of a real orchestra takes a ton of samples and even then it\'s hard to come close. But that\'s the sound I\'m after. When I first heard of GPO I was excited and came close to pre-ordering. Now I\'m glad I waited. Sound is king. Sound is King.

Respectfully,

Darren

12-04-2003, 08:48 PM

Hate to say it, but I agree and am also glad I held back. There really isn\'t much to the sound world that I haven\'t heard from the old Proteus or JV series or Edirol, although I don\'t doubt the programming is better. But the thing is that its dirt cheap and must work well as a sketchpad, which is what it was created for. So its not that its a poor product, just that it doesn\'t really stand a chance of competing against the more expensive and detailed libraries like many, I suspect, had hoped.

However, I do look forward to being proved wrong........

dwdonehoo

12-04-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by dpasdernick:
There\'s a reason libraries like VSLO take up to 95 gigabytes, because emulating the many nuances of a real orchestra takes a ton of samples and even then it\'s hard to come close. When I read some of the comments posted in this thread, it was pretty easy to see that some people are missing the point. GPO (and Silver) were not made to compete with VSL, QLSO, or for that matter, SAMs, SISS or GOS (and a few others). GPO will have several uses: 1) As an education tool, 2) As a sketch pad, 3) As a starting point for those who are just getting into sample libs, 4) As a lib to fill gaps in a current collection of samples, 5) As a lib for those who need to have orchestra instruments covered when they need them in their standard fare of more mixed media creations, 6) for hobbyists, 7) and so on. I am sure Silver will be of similar use.
GPO can get you most of the way to the big mega or focused 4th and 5th generation libraries of the last two years, but both GPO and Silver are only springboards to the major libs for those who will eventually buy them. Before they get there they will have much to learn because there is many skills to learn to be a competent virtual orchestrator. When they have the skill, finances and dedication to move to the major libs, they should go there.
Meanwhile, expecting to get the same performance out GPO and Silver as the latest major 4th and 5th gen libs is just plain silly. One needs to come to grips with what they are dealing with. From personal experience, GPO is an excellent tool for the purpose it was created.

dwdonehoo

12-04-2003, 09:18 PM

Ignore

Haydn

12-05-2003, 10:58 AM

Maybe I should post a demo using my old Proteus, Roland String Ensemble and JV sounds versus the GPO demos. Considering I paid $3,000 for the aforementioned units and GPO cost $249. There is a world of difference between my old pieces and the newer ones using GPO. The string sounds don\'t even come close in the old recordings. The woodwinds and brass don\'t compare. I always ran out of polyphony and MIDI channels with the old gear. Sure GPO doesn\'t have the detail on QLSO Platinum or VSL but it wasn\'t meant to compete with these libraries.

One thing I like about GPO versus my more expensive libraries is that it is easy and quick to use like the old synth modules were. It has brought back a lot of enjoyment instead of the hours of searching for the right sound.

I notice that the same 3 people seem to post on almost every GPO thread cutting the library down. Either give us a silver demo or go purchase those full blown libraries. There seems to be quite a few users enjoying their GPO purchase.

rJames

12-05-2003, 12:02 PM

Here\'s my take on this thread. (Who cares?)

In my minds eye, I see Gary Garritan nervously watching postings, cringing at some and smiling at others.

He has put out a product that will allow people who are not really serious to get their hands on an orchestra toolset.

That toolset can be abused in the hands of the untrained (myself included) and I\'m sure it can be magic in the hands of an artist.

The world may discover an artist that otherwise it might not in the absence of this or other similar libraries.

Just look at what is happening in Indie films these days. Or video editing and graphics. Too many people able to use the tools without a clue--and yet art that we might not have seen without inexpensive digital tools.

Get used to it. You\'re going to hear a lot of bad orchestration.

Give me a real Stradivarious and I\'ll give you the sound of a cat\'s paw being stepped on. With such a good tool shouldn\'t I be able to play it \"out of the box?\"

Even though, I\'ll bet Gary Garritan is holding his breath as to what music gets posted.

I\'ve been waiting for this product for 15 years. My first stab at this was an 8 bit Ensoniq sampler. Thank you Gary for breaking new ground. I hope you sell enough to keep this kind of product coming.

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robgb

12-05-2003, 12:11 PM

Excellent points. I also want to mention that according to the press materials I received, the upcoming NAMM show seems to be focusing on music making for the average Joe.

An attachment calls Recreational Music Making a \"new movement based on the enjoyment of social interaction and, more importantly, the physical and emotional benefits experienced by people who take part in active music making. Some studies show that active participation in making music effectively reduces stress, anxiety and depression in child and adult populations.\"

Seems like Gary\'s on the right track with this low cost orchestra...

His Frogness

12-05-2003, 01:09 PM

my 0.002$

I thought the ensemble samples were pretty good, and it was the close proximity of the parts and the lack of panning and eq that gave them a not so polished sound.

The compositions great Alan. If I was going to post a demo of a small ensemble with a library I just took out of the box I might be able to mix it alright, but I couldn\'t compose something like that in a couple of hours.

It just goes to show that to make these libraries work for you, you need to apply all the techniques used by the pros, from good composing, orchestration to good mixing and mastering.

Of course some people just use this stuff to have fun, and that\'s kewl too images/icons/tongue.gif

Alan Lastufka

12-05-2003, 01:48 PM

Just for comparison:

http://www.alanjoseph.com/AlanLastufkaOctober_AO.mp3 (\"http://www.alanjoseph.com/AlanLastufkaOctober_AO.mp3\")

This was rendered by Serge Daigneault using Advanced Orchestra, which, according to this page, http://www..com/sophtml/simple_search.phtml?KEYWORDS=advanced+orchestra (\"http://www..com/sophtml/simple_search.phtml?KEYWORDS=advanced+orchestra\") costs over $600 to purchase all five volumes and then another $200 for the upgrade.

Yet, for more than three times the price of GPO I don\'t believe the sound quality comes ANYWHERE near GPO...

Have fun...

AL

Aaron Levitz

12-05-2003, 09:00 PM

I think I like the AO harp better, which surprised me considering Gary\'s background. But the flowing melodic lines definitely felt more natural in your GPO version. Legato tools are a very good thing...

robgb

12-05-2003, 11:37 PM

I\'ve already been accused of being a shill for Gary Garritan (which couldn\'t be farther from the truth), so my 2 cents here will probably fall on deaf ears. But as a new GPO user, I can tell you the library is far and away better than Roland Strings, etc., and I\'ve barely tapped the power of the thing.

Yes, you are hearing raw sounds. And I would argue that raw sounds from ANY of the libraries are not going to sound as good as they\'re capable of sounding. That\'s what post-processing is for. And we all know there isn\'t a recording out there that doesn\'t use at least a little.

As for comparing GPO to the big boys, that was never Gary\'s intention. I spoke to him on the phone several months before GPO was even announced and he told me that his upcoming orchestral package was geared toward students, and toward pros who want to be able to load up their laptops for quick mock-ups. He had no plans to compete with VSL, etc., so why should we even bother making unnecessary comparisons?

Despite this, there\'s enough here of excellent quality to do just about anything you need to. Considering they\'re raw, out of the box mock-ups, I think the demos Gary has given us are pretty damn amazing.

Anyone who faults them is either being disingenuous or simply can\'t hear. GPO does exactly what its promotional materials say it will do, and more. images/icons/smile.gif

robgb

12-05-2003, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by handz:
Just look at EWQLSO forum and read what Nick Phoenix told to robgb... graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif Handz, please send me a private message to elaborate on this comment. I\'d also like to read what NP told me -- but I don\'t want to clutter this thread anymore with this stuff.

Thank you.

Serge

12-08-2003, 12:00 PM

Just some clarifications about this AO demo.

Harp samples are from Prosonus.

The price paid for AO at East West was 400.00$ instead of 600.00$ (Christmas sale)

Obviously the GPO has more brilliance and clarity. I made this AO demo to establish how much AO lacks of those qualities. Nothing has been change from the original midi file. But a lot of CC 11 were added to strings sections and English Horn.

My goal is to find an audio cleaning software which will help me to attenuate the foggy cloud in AO (Like remove some hiss in strings) and enhance the overall brilliance of the instruments.

Gpo is great for the price. But I found a spirit in AO that the GPO demos did not yet deliver. But ok I admit that Gpo and Silver are making my wallet itching images/icons/smile.gif

Thanks to alan for sharing both the demo and midi file.

SergeD