Curious about how many people buy "cheap" samples [Archive]

andyt

11-28-2003, 10:35 AM

Hi King,

About two years ago I found myself with a couple of hundred quid to spare, after setting up my perfect studio (Roland VG8, Roland SPD-20, .. basic rock stuff and an integrated Roland VS1860). So I found myself browsing through SoundOnSound wondering what I could do with the the few hundred quid that was burning a hole in my pocket.

Hmmm ... I know ... why don\'t I get some nice brass sounds. So whats available ? Oh dear, if I\'d only knew what I was letting myself in for.

This lead to a small investment in GigaStudio 32 and the ProSamples version of QL Brass .... and I promised myself \"soooo hard\" that it was only going to be a small investment, and I wouldn\'t go over budget. Honest Injun. After all ust some simple brass sounds and my studio would be COMPLETE. FINISHED.

Well two years later ... (and some of you might relate to this)

- QL Brass (Pro Samples) was never used beyong the first five minutes, but was quickly followed by ...
- GOS Lite (quickly updated to GOS Full a few weeks later)
- Dan Dean Solo Winds
- Dan Dean Brass Ensemble
- Project SAM Horns
- Project SAM Trumpets
- Symphony of Voices
- Studio Grand 88
- Adler\'s Book on Orhcestration and Accompanying CD
- and awaiting Horizon Solo Strings
- ... and possibly GPO
- ... and anything else that promises me happiness

My point is ... I\'m an addict. I need help.
And all because of that tiny little ProSamples QL Brass library. \"Go on try it. You know you want to. It\'ll sound sooooo good.\"

To anyone hasn\'t started on this orchestral sample thing yet. Don\'t. Just say no.

11-28-2003, 10:47 AM

Hi King,

I generally do not buy them. Most of the demos that I\'ve listened to of samples in that price range don\'t make me feel like I want to spend the cash on them. I used to earlier on but found that I was usually getting a lower quality product and would have to work harder to get a good sound. I come from the school of \"spend more - buy once\".

Having said that, I have bought the odd library in the $30 price range. This is typically when I find it at a bargain basement price (for clearance since it is old or perhaps not selling well) for a library that I\'ve wanted for a while but just didn\'t feel like spending the $150-300 for it at regular price.

For higher-priced libraries I tend to keep an eye out for the sales. I recently bought VOTA when had a 30% off sale. images/icons/grin.gif

I may buy a piece of a larger set (if it is available like Kirk Hunter did with the solo strings) but only if I really only need that one piece and the others won\'t be useful to me.

I think that you may get a wide variety of answers here since pros who can justify the higher prices and absolutely require high-quality will be able to afford the premium libraries. Then there are struggling composers who really have to justiify every purchase and are always looking out for cheap samples if they can get their hands on them. The difficult part of that is that these \"lower-end\" users (no offense intended) are demanding higher-quality and some portions of the sampleware market are getting to be very competitive (as we\'ve seen with EWQLSO Silver and GPO). While I am happy to see lower prices for some of these sets, I am concerned long-term that there will be less incentive for sample manufacturers since it costs so much to develop a library that the profits may not justify the expense.

OK, I\'ve blabbed enough now. images/icons/cool.gif images/icons/grin.gif

FV

greatzed

11-28-2003, 12:45 PM

The most I\'ve spent for a sample cd was 10 bucks off e-bay. It was full of wavs, and I had to make my own soundfonts from them (took longer than I care to say), but it was worth it. Everything else I use are just free soundfonts and gigs I find on the net.

Beel

11-28-2003, 12:46 PM

Hey King,

yeah, I´ve bought a few \"low cost\" samples for my Z8 and I´ve to say I´m hardly impressed. That´s why I avoid them now.
If you had asked for Libs around 100,- $ I´d say here you can find some goodies, thinking about the Westgate stuff or KH Flutes.

Holger

ninriggs

11-28-2003, 12:52 PM

King,

I would recomend some of the pro sample series.
They make great \"Fillers\" if you want something to toy with whilst finding good samples for your work.

Ive used quite a few of the pads in giga. They are really well recorded and so can be tweaked rather well.

I would say that for the price, you cant realy go wrong.

D.DiAnda

11-28-2003, 01:42 PM

I\'ve bought some, and I\'m happy with most of them. But overall, I have to say that if I\'m going to buy something in that price range I definitely prefer one complete, single instrument over a bunch of incomplete stuff (like the prosamples... not that they\'re bad, it\'s just a personal preference).

carlmsmith

11-28-2003, 02:44 PM

I\'m not a $1000+ library kind of guy, since I don\'t make a dime from music, but I do own a few medium priced things, and have, for under $30 bought:

Real Violins
digital Fender Strat
sonic Implants Acoustic guitar

these are all \"okay\" values. Where I\'ve really gotten a boost is from freebies from:

Tob
Mats
Kirk
Projectsam
Olivier
Tim Z.
and others

I\'m salivating over the prospect of one or more of EWQL Silver, Miriam, or one of the VSL guitars (the distortion guitar sounds great, the nylon string guitar needs a little work)

Carl

Nhick Ramiro Pacis

11-28-2003, 02:55 PM

I actually started with Acid loops when I went into \'sampling\'. I found Pro-Loops of better quality though. Then I discovered Giga so I tried Ultimate Strings, then GOS Lite, then SAM Horns, etc.

AndyT is right. This is addicting.

And I\'ve never spent so much time in forums like I do here at NS just to check out sounds and to drool over libs I cannot [yet] afford!

Daedalus

11-28-2003, 04:31 PM

As of yet, I haven\'t bought any \'cheap\' samples because I haven\'t liked what I heard in the demos. That said, I would have paid alot more than $30 for the G-Town stuff as I find I am using it in alot of my stuff.

For me, it would have to do with quality and ambience. It would have to be in Giga format too.

jose elith

11-28-2003, 04:51 PM

Hi King.
I bougth the \"cheap\" SI Giga drums set by set ($29 download) some time ago, I think this set is not cheap by quality, just an easy way to buy great samples for starters... I really want to see more developers selling this way...... Not everybody can afford to buy $500 or higher libraries.

Elith.

KingIdiot

11-28-2003, 05:40 PM

hey guys thanks for the responses.

I\'m not considering buying prosamples. I have alot of the \"full\" sets, the whole questions came up from a consideration of making some sample libraries, but not selling any \"full sets\", since it will be an ongoing project.

I\'ve recently been thrown off a project I\'ve turned off gigs for, so I\'m looking at some ways to earn some money. I\'ve always been a fan of Free sample sets but I know how much it will cost me to get ahold orf even some \"good\" ethnic percussion (melodic and non melodic) If I can atleast make a few hundered bucks (to pay for the instruments and me wanking on them) I\'ll sell them for 10-20 bucks a pop, more if I get real players, and more even if there isn\'t enough response ot them.

I\'m also going to work on a guitar sample lib I\'ve been thinking about for along time and a bass guitar lib (not $10-$30 projects but under 100 I\'m hoping)

I\'ve got the time to invest in it now and am jsut feeling it out to see if there\'s enough of a market to atleast make my money back on the instruments (and place to store them)

Scott Cairns

11-28-2003, 07:08 PM

King, I think any lib produced with your expertise is going to be a winner.

For me, one off instrument lib\'s would be great. If I knew I needed say a djembe for a project it would be great to buy a decent lib of it that was possibly even small enough to download. I dont know, just thinking aloud. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Sound Dogs are great for sound FX cause you can go and pay for ONLY the sounds you want. I think there is a place for this with instruments too.

D.DiAnda

11-28-2003, 08:51 PM

Sounds great. I\'ll probably be one of your first customers. I\'m cheap/poor, and I can\'t ever get enough good ethnic percussion. images/icons/grin.gif

Jake Johnson

11-28-2003, 09:23 PM

Depends on how we define \"cheap.\"

I bought and still regularly use the Plugsounds Keyboard Collection VSTI. I think I paid around $70 for it. Very nice set of pianos for many purposes. I also like the Maestro Malmsjo and Grand, which were both free.

Some string sections were mentioned in this forum not to long ago. Was it NaturalSounds, or something like that. They sounded good to me, and I may get them.

In other words, I think you have to forget about the price, and go where your ear leads you. If that\'s towards inexpensive or free sounds, I find it hard to resist.

Veron

11-28-2003, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by KingIdiot:

I\'m also going to work on a guitar sample lib I\'ve been thinking about for along time and a bass guitar lib (not $10-$30 projects but under 100 I\'m hoping)
If its a El.Guitar Library , I would love to have a sample library that sounds like Limp Bizkit
or the El.Guitar in \" 60 Seconds \" , \" The One \" ( both by Trevor Rabin ) or \" MI:2 \" ( by Hans Zimmer ) .
I`d like the heavy stuff images/icons/smile.gif
And Alternate samples for the mutes , so they don`t get the machine gun effect .

Veron

Veron

11-28-2003, 09:35 PM

Sorry double post

KingIdiot

11-28-2003, 09:43 PM

ok,

I\'m thinking that if I can set up a few \"pre orders\" without credit cards and a few suggestions (lets keep it to non woodwinds first, as I know more percussionists)anyhow with a more discernble \"interest\" I might be able to come up with some pricing structures with each instrument and find out if I should go the developer route((since I have specific VSL production ideas and NI Ideas and even Giga ideas, so I will try to give users deals, I\'m not ignorant enough to to associate myself and compete... If I have my way you\'lld get free stuff with purchases of other libs, and a bunch of free dloads if other people have space)

Lets say I\'m here for YOU to sample in fairly simplistic ways. (meaning no real amazing phrases and point me to what you want stylistically with recodings an mp3s, but yes I WILL look into making something better than the overpriced akai libs out there)

In the end I\'m all about what YOU want and if *I CAN* give it to you I will its not about my preference. With each recording it will cost more, but in the end its a \"if I can I will\" service\".

I welcome ALL developers to listen and serve, and I DO NOT gurantee anything, I do ask for help, as this cirrent project loss cost me alot of money off of trust, ehich I\'ve lost alot of this year, but I put it out plainly. There is NO developer war with me, I DO NOT trust that I will make money from this venture, I *DO* trust that I will not LOSE money from this venture, and that musicians I use will be well compensated for. So If You want and erhu for 10 bucks expect me to be wanking on the damn thing only throuth sheer passion.

I *WILL* offer free stuff depending on how much I lose/make (please make it be \"make\" for the next year, I honestly feel that I\'ve put major effort in giving to this forum and \"given\" to developers and that some have and will benefit as I will now have time to edit, but I honestly feel that my bank account will suffer, I just didn\'t plan on this, its my fault that I\'m a hack and,well its none of your buisness except now it looks as if I\'m going to be broke.....any tv guys need ghosting? or will let me practice ghosting?)

there are a couple of projects I\'m going to work on starting next week.

but I\'m curious as what the market is in need of with percussion and melodic percussion, as it will start me in faily easily (dont argue with me about it you jackasses)

Papa and DeSound I knos this looks like and advert but the truth is I\'m not trying to make be one for a particular product. I WILL NOT advert if and when I have a product to sell.

Daedalus

11-28-2003, 10:49 PM

A heavy guitar library sounds great if you ask me. Something along the lines of what DFH did with drums. Lots of muted \"chugga chugga\" powerchords would be awesome. I still haven\'t heard muted powerchord samples that I liked. Think heavy but clean sounding; maybe like Rammstein or something similar.

I wouldn\'t be very interested in solo lead samples as I don\'t think I could make it sound realistic enough to bother.

keytar

11-28-2003, 11:07 PM

huh? You\'re asking this question to a group of guys who routinely spend $1000.00+ for samples?

You may want to ask this question over at the KVR forum. Places like Sonic Implants, WizooSounds have tons of samples in the $8.00-$50.00 range. I\'ve bought a bunch from Wizoo. images/icons/smile.gif

Aaron Levitz

11-28-2003, 11:37 PM

I\'ve bought a handful of GM drumsets from Wizoo, and the occasional organ patch when it was exactly what I needed right at that moment. Not as versatile as an expensive set of CDs perhaps, but it filled the immediate need and made me very happy.

A more expressive instrument, I might not trust in that pricerange. Call me skeptical, but if it\'s that cheap, I don\'t expect versatility. If there are lots of articulations, I don\'t expect them to be programmed well. So I put more consideration into instruments where that won\'t be an issue. (More specifically, I judge them against their GM500 counterparts)

That said, if someone releases a really powerful instrument that\'s just a joy to play for less than $20, I won\'t have to trust it. The inevitable flood of user demos would make it\'s value obvious. images/icons/wink.gif

Plus, if it\'s a developer who\'s already proven themselves with great libraries in the past, they\'ve earned the benefit of the doubt.

Ask me again in a year, though. Things are changing fast around here.

Not Dudley Simpson

11-28-2003, 11:49 PM

Yup, Ethnic Adventures (more or less the rest of Percussive Adventures) is next.

I think cut downs and single instruments are a great idea. Why not? After all, who wants to get into a \"I paid the most for my sample library\" competition?

Here\'s a good example: I\'d love to get Spectrasonic\'s Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol 2 just for the Coral electric sitar. But I can\'t justify the 180 odd pounds that it costs - no way, not for just one instrument. That would be crazy. I love the sound of the coral, but I\'m hardly going to get a career out of it. I know that the other guitars are great, but...

Heath

Not Dudley Simpson

11-29-2003, 02:58 AM

King!!

Hey listen, why not be the first guy to do a really good CYMBALOM sample. It\'s amazes me that no one seems to have covered this popular and historically important instrument. Think of the people who championed it: Stravinsky, Bartok, Kodaly and a ton of film and TV composers.

The sample market is swimming in zithers, ouds, sazs, etc. The cymbalom\'s tone is much more beautiful and rich than any of those, yet no one\'s touched it! Crazy.

Cheers and good luck with your (media) ventures.

Heath

SteveHanlon

11-29-2003, 05:33 AM

I know you said no winds, but that\'s where we need the King\'s help.

saxophones and trumpets.

BUT
regarding percussion

would love to have some nicely sampled
bongos and congas with mostly single hits, but some fragments of flams, rufs, 4-stroke rufs and any other short licks that single hits can\'t effectively pull off without sounding like sampleland. (oh, don\'t forget harmonics made from gliding the finger across the drum head and also a rubber ball on a stick dragged across the head)

Oh yeah, please give plenty of samples of each stroke so fast same-note successive hits don\'t sound machine gunny and plenty of splits for dynamics

SteveHanlon

11-29-2003, 05:39 AM

oh yeah,

brush drum kit

and while you\'re at it if you can sample a lava lamp and a vintage disco ball that would be tops!!

PeterRoos

11-29-2003, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Lee Blaske:
What about a cheap but comprehensive Ondes Martenot library? Lee Blaske Will require a very serious legato tool! images/icons/grin.gif

carlmsmith

11-29-2003, 08:34 AM

\"Where I\'ve really gotten a boost is from freebies from:

Tob
Mats
Kirk
Projectsam
Olivier
Tim Z.
and others\"

Oops, I forgot Worra, whose name should be well up on the list. I got my start in GS by downloading many of the small free gigs from his site.

Hey King, how about a sampled Dobro (lap style resonator guitar). That couldn\'t be much more esoteric than some of the things mentioned!

Lux

11-29-2003, 08:58 AM

Personally I love to download single sounds.
I can\'t understand why many developers do not create a download e-commerce site. I think they would earn more than selling a few huge and hi-cost full libraries.

Also people who live outside U.S. can buy a lot of samples without spending additional money for shipping and duties (last time I ordered from US I was charged for 95$ of additional shipping and duties fees on an order of about 200$ images/icons/frown.gif ).

XanaX

11-29-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Lux:
(last time I ordered from US I was charged for 95$ of additional shipping and duties fees on an order of about 200$ images/icons/frown.gif ). Same thing happened to me a few years ago when I ordered \"Metamorphosis\" from Best Service in Germany. They listed the actual price paid on the shipping form, and the customs people charged (screwed) me accordingly.

When I ordered several titles from ILIO, on the other hand, I actually spoke to them on the phone beforehand, and they told me how they list a value of $5 per CD on the shipping form, and send the actual invoice (showing what you paid) separately. Customs paid on that order: $0.00.

The moral of the story: Talk to the vendor first, and find out what their policy is. No one wants to pay 50% more for sample libs (or anything else).

thesoundsmith

11-29-2003, 10:40 AM

I have LOTS of those CDs. Some were not worth the CD they burnede \'em on, but most are decent quality at least, and very good to excellent at best. Best buy? eBay has a company from England that sells their product typically for under $10, and while it needs conversion, Temple Bells and Gonghs, Exotic Winds and Exotic Instruments were all great buys - and 1 or 2 bucks shipping, to boot!

Dasher

Owel

11-29-2003, 12:19 PM

>but I\'m curious as what the market is in need of with percussion and melodic percussion, as it will start me in faily easily (dont argue with me about it you jackasses)

King,

Personally, I need good timpani drum roll patches. I have timpani patches, but I have to fake the drum roll. And I\'m not satisfied with it. It\'s a machine gun effect.

You can have different lenghts of drum rolls, different sounding timpanis, ending in cymbals or not, different types of cymbals, etc... I just want timpani drum rolls. Just this alone, you can have hundreds of variations!

I don\'t care for the vibes, and the triangles, etc... I just want a good selection of pre-made timpani drum rolls.

Thunder sheet will be nice too as an extra on the CD.

Owel

JonP

11-29-2003, 01:07 PM

Cymbalom is a great idea. I\'m a bit of a celeste freekio and I\'ve yet to play a sampled one I\'m happy with so that would be a op of my list.

Whatever, best of luck to you with it all King. With your programming skills I\'ll bet you could record a row of toads at 32khz and make them an essential purchase.

D.DiAnda

11-29-2003, 01:48 PM

As far as inexpensive, simple ethnic percussion goes, I seem to be lacking good, low drums. As an example, here are a few hits form the Early Patches CD:
A few drum hits... (\"http://www.kellyleal.com/TEMP/LowDrums.mp3\")

The hits sound alright, but they were so skimpy with the samples/velocities that it\'s hard to do anything convincing.

Something like those, but with a bigger, lower sound and more hits would be really cool images/icons/smile.gif

kitekrazy

11-29-2003, 11:58 PM

I always don\'t like to hear the \"you get what you pay for\" theory. If it is a comapny known for producing quality samples and their affordable products sound terrible, there is no motivation for me to spend my money on their higher end products.
I do feel there are some \"must have\" libraries like GOS and just about anything Project SAM turns out.
If you do this for a hobby you can get a little too carried away with buying sounds. We got so worried that it doesn\'t sound realistic and it\'s usually people in forums like this that would know the difference. The average listener could care less or even know it\'s a $3000 string libray.
I admire people who do great work with half the tools. Some people are really great with working in midi and make stuff sound great with a GM set.
I try to make some of my own libraries from samples. But there are some \"must have\" sounds that you put on your list to save up for.
I also like the idea of buying them a piece at a time by downloads. It my cost you more in the longrun but I also think the makers can profit more this way.

Hardy Heern

11-30-2003, 08:31 AM

Owel ...........Personally, I need good timpani drum roll patches. I have timpani patches, but I have to fake the drum roll. And I\'m not satisfied with it. It\'s a machine gun effect..........

Owel, with all due disrespect the machine gun effect isn\'t to do with the samples it\'s the way they\'re programmed. They\'re too quantised. In your piano editor, knock a few of the hits randomly forward and backwards (by a varying small amount) off the beat and randomly change the velocities too. Real drummers don\'t play as accurately as a computer. That is what is causing the machine gun effect. Experiment, you\'ll be really surprised at how totally realistic you can make them. Think in terms of how an actual drummer would play and think about how innacurate this would actually be.

Frank

RickD

11-30-2003, 08:48 AM

K.I.,

I\'m still looking for a mandolin w/tremolo\'s.

Rick

XanaX

11-30-2003, 08:49 AM

Owel-
There are some decent free soundfont tympani rolls out there. Not hundreds of variations of course, but a few. Also... have you tried mapping your tympanis to different keys and detuning slightly and varying decay times? This will also help add some realism.

Marsdy

11-30-2003, 12:28 PM

King

How about....
Hammered Dulcimer, Zither, Autoharp?

There seems to be lot of ethnic percussion out there now and with Stormdrum and Ethno World 2 imminent I would have thought you\'d need a unique selling point, not that I\'m an expert or anything!!

I like the idea of being able to purchase individual instruments. With so much stuff already available I would say if you were to do it, the G- Town approach of doing samples with distincive ambience would help make it stand out. A percussion Real Giga Drums with different mic perspectives perhaps? Or maybe the Ethno Techno approach with full percussion section grooves broken down into the constituent individual percussion loops but with matching multi-samples which ET didn\'t do unfortunatley.

I\'d like to see more weird, unorthodox percussion like Stomp or Swordfishtrombones era Tom Waits or those odd sounds Thomas Newman uses a lot. I\'d be first in line for a comprehensive set of waterphone samples or bowed cymbals, gongs and glass er... things.

I always loved Peter Siedlaczek Total Piano. How about a treated guitar lib done in a similar way.

No one has done a really dry, over-damped 70s drum kit (as in mid 70s Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, disco etc.)

Most drum libs cover the rock side of things but I definitely could use some more intimate, drier sounds like the first Portishead album. Not to mention some jazz, brush kits, an early Beatles Ringo Starr kit, a mid 60s Motown sound kit! I always liked the drum sound on early 70s Who records and no one has come close to that sound. It seems to me that there are a lot of kit sounds that haven\'t been done.

If you do drums or percussionn, I would certainly use a real drummer or percussionist to do the hitting. It\'s quite amazing how much better a good drummer can make a drum sound compared to everyone else in the band hitting the same drum with the same stick!

My two pence for what it\'s worth.

KingIdiot

11-30-2003, 01:08 PM

Aaron thanks for the support!

hey dave,

Autoharp is planned, I WANT zither and dulc also, it jsut depends on the amount of people willing to buy.

There will definitely be multiple mix positions, but I doubt anything in a huge hall unless its required (orchestral stuff, which for the most part i\'m going to stay away from), possibly a big stage. There will also be multiple mixed and \"effect\" versions of stuff to make for some different options.

about players. Really its how many people that will buy that determines this. I believe players should be well compensated for sample sessions, but if I\'m selling at 10 bucks and only 20 people buy, then that just about pays for the instrument (unless I find a place that will rent, which most wont do except for \"Student models\"). I mean obviously price will be determined on multiple things besides the player, but I dont believe in charging 59 bucks per instrument unless its an extremely extensive sample library (for percussion lets say phrases, 32 velocities each hit and multiple mic positions), and that starts to get into the price range of \"well I dont really need it, so why should I buy it?\" .. then again all I need is 4 people to buy it to make money back on the instrument images/icons/tongue.gif

anyhow with percussion I do have lots of percussionist friends so if I cut them in on the profits they may be willing, and when it comes to actual drum kits.... well I dont know if I\'m going to do full kits anymore. I\'d done one some years ago but I think I have different ideas now. Its not as cool as a live kit, but definitely a neat idea, and with my multiple perpectives option might work out well.

I\'ll find a balance, but obviously when you go \"cheap\" you have to make comprimises. This is why I\'m asking for waht people want with mp3/audio examples and pointers to particular styles.

Any autoharp recordings you like? I\'ll be sampling it twice. Once with the dead old strings on it to give it a mellow sound, and with many different articulations (finger, pluck and strums) and effects (weird sounds, detunings, anything I think sounds neat, maybe hit the strings with dulcimer hammers, or make artificial harmonics), then the same with new strings. I may or may not add a pickup but there will be multiple mics for sure. It will most likely be sampled in \"lap position\" only, not strapped accross my chest. Since it will make for the most consistant sample session.

There are also 3 guitar projects that will happen.

One heavy 7-string guitar with a fairly simple approach, but also a possible VSL \"option\".

a steel string acoustic with a very simple approach

and a 12 string acoustic.

There will be \"cheap\" versions of the libs and then there will be more advanced versions of these libs, since I\'ve been tossing around sampling ideas for years with guitars.

Marsdy

11-30-2003, 01:57 PM

Definitely count me in for the autoharp, especially with some obscure tunings, (think Joni Mitchell!) Some atonal clusters and scrapes (like the ones in Total Piano) would be cool too if that is physically possible on an autoharp. Also maybe a hammered articulation with a little \"bounce\" just after the primary hit. Definitely a hammered articulation though. It would pass as a baby dulcimer. I used to play mine with a light metal trianlge beater and that sounded rather nice when struck lightly.

The hammered articulation especially would need multiple velocity layers and left and right hand hits IMO so you could do realistic hammered dulcimer like crescendo rolls etc. $10 an instrument is definitely way too cheap if it was done this comprehensively though. Hope you can do a dulcimer and zither too. I\'d definitely go for instruments like this and we all know you\'d do the job properly.

I really like the idea of specialised libs like this where an instrument is done in comprehensive detail. Some of the Xample and first Ethno World lib stuff is great but they didn\'t do them in enough detail. The detail is one reason why QLRI is so good and some very convincing perfomances can be had.

Can\'t think of any Autoharp recordings but I used to have a beat up one that I loved the sound of before it got pinched.

I realise you want to do this so the lib is budget priced but is there a case for a $20 light version and say a $75 multiple articualtion/velocity layer version? Personally I\'d be much more interested in the latter.

keytar

11-30-2003, 03:32 PM

I could be missing something, but someone with your skills in sample editing and probably zero marketing/business skills (no offense..), you would think any decent sample house like EW, Spectrum, SI, would want you as an employee. Before you get too involved in setting up your own business, why not just send them a resume and try to get a job?? Seriously, look around, your skills in editing, tweaking, etc, are very rare. No offense to Scarbee, but he\'s left a trail of developer comments here that I would think make any small developer think twice about making/selling their own products. Good luck whichever way you go.

(I also have a multi-velocity heavy guitar library finished. But I\'ve decided to not sell it, the market is very small due to the fact there\'s very little customization you can do to the tone of the samples already rendered.) And the VSL overdrive thread isn\'t exactly on fire either.

Scott Cairns

11-30-2003, 04:32 PM

One heavy 7-string guitar with a fairly simple approach, but also a possible VSL \"option\".King, if you are talking about a lead guitar lib with some sort of legato mode count me in!

I have been petitioning (\"http://www.macawinteractive.com.au/spectraLead.htm\") Eric for the same thing. images/icons/smile.gif

KingIdiot

11-30-2003, 04:49 PM

keytar,

Its because I dont want a \"job\" being an inhouse editor. Thats the last thing I want to be. I want to do this on my own time, so I\'m never under a huge amount of pressure and that its done with my own rules. I\'m doing work for the next update of EWQLSO (which should move faster now that I have time), and have done work for Gary and others. I personally dont like the developer wars that go on and get dragged into them, so staying away form working for a specific company ans staying a freelance contracter is what I want to do.

Lastly I want to offer something \"Free\" at times some people dont like that.

Another reason is that I like workign with ALL those groups mentioned and dont want to be trapped into working with only one when I have new ideas to enhance their products.

This is much more like Project SAM on a smaller scale. I\'m not up to make boatloads of cash from this venture, but I\'m looking for some things that might be fun and could possibly help me make some extra money in the down time I\'ve got.

Ultimately I\'m a composer and will get other gigs fairly easily (I still have big clients wanting me to do work, its just that there may be nothing \"open\" right now), its just that losing this one gig(and me putting off other gigs for it) puts me in a situation of having more time, and willingnness to try this out.

Scott,

Nope, I\'m not doign a lead library, probably not ever. Get Overdrive for that. Its got legato mode in there. Its pretty freaking amazing sounding for leads. Vintaudio\'s stuff sounds great for solos too, from listening to the demos. I want to make a heavy guitar library that will work for Trevor Rabin scores and people who kinda like to be pummeled by guitar tone.

11-30-2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by KingIdiot:
a steel string acoustic with a very simple approach

and a 12 string acoustic.

. [/QB]Excellent! Just make sure you record the bends and such, like they did for the Martin Acoustic in Zimmer Guitars 1, becuase unfortunatly they didnt do the same with the other acoustic guitars in that lib!

Aaron Levitz

11-30-2003, 11:01 PM

King,

Sorry to hear of your misfortune.

To be clear in my earlier comments, you\'ve more than earned your reputation here. Well beyond the benefit of the doubt, I think I\'d purchase anything you feel worthy of putting your name on.

(And at this price point, I may actually be able to back that statement)

kid-surf

12-01-2003, 12:14 AM

King-

I\'m interested in the weirder stuff, well \"mostly\" the weirder stuff. But everything else sounds interesting too. I actually would like a guitar lib like that (heavy, full of tone) because, well, it\'s just faster than plugging in the Dual recto. Besides even though I have an iso booth, that bizch is loud! images/icons/wink.gif Aa well, there\'s never been a heavy guitar lib that\'s \"good\"!!! images/icons/grin.gif Guess it\'s about time someone did it right! ;-)

BTW... I liked the demo for HB. Reminded me of Soundgarden in a way, a vague way, but in a good way. images/icons/wink.gif

Good luck with this project King!

Keytar, you got a link to your sounds? I\'d like to at least hear it, even though you don\'t wanna sell it. Thanks.

***To whoever mentioned the Thomas Newman weird sounds. Do you know what the sample is (I\'m assuming it\'s a sample because it\'s on Shawshank and Road to Perdition) on the beginning of track 12 Road to Perdition. Sounds like a pitched sax, but I can\'t tell. Anyone know for sure?