woodwinds

[brewick]

I\'ve eventually decided (more or less) which gig samples to buy for strings(garritan), percussion(LOP), brass (probably the new Dan Dean ensembles) and piano(Grandioso) but am still looking for woodwind ensembles. I dont really want to wait much longer for a new library to come out so am looking to buying one fairly soon. I\'ve heard the Dan Dean Solo Woodwinds are exceptional, but does anyone know if it is possible to layer them to sound like a convincing ensemble, or is there a decent woodwind ensemble library out there?

[Hans-Josef]

Hello,
normally you need solo woodwinds. It is very seldom that for example 3 clarinets playing unisono.

Take a look at the xsample library also...

Ciao,

Hans-Josef

[Sapkiller]

The only library with wood ensembles, that I
know of, is AO( Clarinets and Flutes only).
But they are not great - so I would look
elsewhere, unless you\'re planning on using
the AO in generel. I use Xsample and for ensemble
effect I blend in AO solo woods. But I\'m sure
DD\'s are good as well (judging from the demo\'s
and specs).

Bjk

[Thomas_J]

That\'s not true Hans-Josef. Depending on the music you write (assuming it is for a large orchestra), woodwinds are usually playing in unison with each other. Fx. in tuttis where they need to enforce a loud brass chord, piccolo flute, flutes (1-2), oboes (1,2+e.horn), clarinets (1-3), bassoons (1-2) will often play in unison(!). If you are writing chorales, on the other hand, it requires quite a different perspective on things. In a typical chorale for orchestra woodwinds will often have divisi parts.

Homogeneous woodwind pairs in unison creates a powerful and smooth sound, while Heterogeneous pairs produce (depending on the blend) brilliant, sharp and penetrating sounds (although certain couples such as oboe and flute sound pretty uniform and warm)

Anyway, there\'s a notable difference between close-miced solo woodwinds and orchestral woodwind ensembles. Still there aren\'t any woodwind ensemble libraries out there, except Miroslav and some of Advanced Orchestra.
What a shame! Lets hope Kirk Hunter makes a good one.

Thomas

[Malo]

Hi!

I am putting my money on Gary Garritan\'s upcoming woodwinds library!

[Hasen]

Is Gary doing a woodwinds library then? I thought he was doing solo strings. Is it me or do sample developers seem to be doing several different libraries at once nowadays?

Anyway what happened to that guy making the woodwind library with interval samples? That sounded like it was gonna be the one to get. images/icons/smile.gif

[franz]

vrsound.com woodwinds:
available: oboe, clarinet, bassoon, flute, piccolo flute

features: Release samples, up & dwn legato samples, amazing recording quality, natural orchestra placement.

[Serge]

Originally posted by franz:
vrsound.com woodwinds:
available: oboe, clarinet, bassoon, flute, piccolo flute.<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Franz,

Are Those samples found in the Giga Pack only or it can be bought individually ?

[A_Sapp]

Yea, I\'ve talked to Gary, he\'s planning on doing a woodwind library. But don\'t expect it anytime soon, he\'s still polishing up the strings lib. So I\'d look elsewhere for now for woodwind sections. Be prepared for something truly great with his new solo strings.

[David Govett]

For a single library, Dan Dean really sounds beautiful and just works great. For the time being, I like AO for the woodwind effects. The \"ideal\" situation is to have several libraries on hand and create your own custom ensembles as they are needed from 1-3 or 4 players. In my template, I have the Dan Dean at the top of the list and always reach for it for most solo stuff since it generally kills everything else hands down. The others (Miroslav, AO and Xsample) are on hand to check and sometimes a certain phrase simply does better with one of those but not often for me. Then if I need an ensemble sound, I layer the instruments from all three libraries and get a very nice and rich ensemble that I have good control over.
This is with the current crop of existing libraries. The new things coming in the future like the Vienna Samples and whatever Garry and Kirk may be working on will of course be a whole new can of worms. Not enough machines to handle it all. The Vienna stuff rocks by the way from everything I have heard so far.
Later
Dave

[Ewen]

Originally posted by franz:
vrsound.com woodwinds:
available: oboe, clarinet, bassoon, flute, piccolo flute

features: Release samples, up & dwn legato samples, amazing recording quality, natural orchestra placement.<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">How big is the woodwind gigs. Is there various staccato length samples or just one staccato sample, port. samples ? Slow and fast attacts?

Ewen

[franz]

vrsound.com woodwinds clarified:
All the instruments are available individually. Get more than one for great deals.

Staccatto: Release samples on all techniques make it possible to play any note staccatto or at any length desired. Yet there are staccatto samples included. All sutained samples are looped.

Bassoon 235,794kB
2 length stac + novib/vib with selectable player fade samples for extreme realism at the end of your phrase/room response release samples + legato samples
3 instruments

Clarinet: 219,634kB
2 stacs + novib/vib with selectable player fade samples + legato up and down
4 instruments

Flute: 129,804kB
2 length stac + novib/medvib/vib with release samples + legato up and down
9 instruments

Oboe: 152,786kB my personal fave! really sweet.
stac + novib/medvib/vib with selectable player fade samples + legato up and down
3 instruments

Piccolo Flute: 36,388kB
4 stac variations length and strength + novib/vib with release samples + legato up and down
2 instruments.

[franz]

vrsound woodwinds addendum:
all samples recorded with IZ Radar at 96/24 downsampled to 48/16 using Headacoustics/Schoeps phase corrected binaural head systems.

[brewick]

Thanks for all the replies. I think I\'ll buy the Dan Dean Solo WW and layer it with my A0 Woodwinds. Hopefully Kirk Hunter\'s or Gary Garritans wont be too long in the waiting.

[Ewen]

Originally posted by franz:
vrsound.com woodwinds clarified:
All the instruments are available individually. Get more than one for great deals.

Staccatto: Release samples on all techniques make it possible to play any note staccatto or at any length desired. Yet there are staccatto samples included. All sutained samples are looped.

Bassoon 235,794kB
2 length stac + novib/vib with selectable player fade samples for extreme realism at the end of your phrase/room response release samples + legato samples
3 instruments

Clarinet: 219,634kB
2 stacs + novib/vib with selectable player fade samples + legato up and down
4 instruments

Flute: 129,804kB
2 length stac + novib/medvib/vib with release samples + legato up and down
9 instruments

Oboe: 152,786kB my personal fave! really sweet.
stac + novib/medvib/vib with selectable player fade samples + legato up and down
3 instruments

Piccolo Flute: 36,388kB
4 stac variations length and strength + novib/vib with release samples + legato up and down
2 instruments.<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Thanks for your reply, Franz.

I think the vrsound woodwinds is the one to get...

Ewen

[Gulliver]

brewick,

Which ever woodwind samples you decide to get, if you add a wind controller it will make a huge difference. Do you play any woodwind instruments?

[brewick]

Originally posted by Gulliver:
brewick,

Which ever woodwind samples you decide to get, if you add a wind controller it will make a huge difference. Do you play any woodwind instruments?<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">No I don\'t - I only play the piano. Would it be easy for me to use a breath controller?

[Gulliver]

Originally posted by brewick:
</font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Originally posted by Gulliver:
brewick,
Which ever woodwind samples you decide to get, if you add a wind controller it will make a huge difference. Do you play any woodwind instruments?<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">No I don\'t - I only play the piano. Would it be easy for me to use a breath controller?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I can\'t say it would. The device lets you control breath, vibrato and dynamics. If you are a woodwind player all of these elements are like second nature. I\'m a piano player like yourself and whenever I really need the services of the device I get a good friend of mine to use his controller to humanize any woodwind parts.

Jamey Scott was a composer that used to post on this forum (or maybe he still does?) and he once posted the following example:

Oboe (\"http://dorch.servemp3.com/forch/oboe.mp3\")

or the following example which was originally a Midi file I found on the net years ago. I redid parts of the sequence except for the flute, which was exceptionally performed on a controller.

BachFlute (\"http://dorch.servemp3.com/forch/bach.mp3\")

-Take care