The NExT UpDATES-Tell me what you want

[Garritan]

It\'s time to start thinking about the next round of updates.

Tell us what you would you like to see. What new patches would be helpful? More MaestroTools/ Maple features? Would you like more impulses? Did you like the inclusion of extra instruments(like Tob\'s percussion and the G-Town samples)?

Look forward to reading your suggestions.

Gary Garritan

[Russ]

I don\'t have GOS (Lite or Full), but I noticed in the first update, there were agressive Violas, Celli, and Double Basses. What about the Violins I and II? Also, looped Celli and Double Basses would be a good addition considering the first gave people looped Violins I and II and Violas.

Just some suggestions (I don\'t know if these were addressed through the second update or not).

[brewick]

Personally I\'ve always thought that a sustain version of the All Violins Grand Detache Sordino would be good.

[Haydn]

Wow! You guys never stop. I still haven\'t digested the last update! It\'s like sitting at a buffet eating your 3rd plate of food and thinking about what your having for your next meal!

[Z6]

This library needs more dancing penguins. Then it would be perfect.

[lex]

ooh more goodies!

More impulses since they are geting better and better with every update, hence I\'m starting to have a nice little collection.. images/icons/smile.gif

Sull Tasto and Sautille on Violas...or at least down pitch, strech and filter the violines sul tast and saut and rename them to violas...

umm....thats it I guess..I\'m happy...

Oh and I\'ll plug it again...do an GOS add-on, or performance set add on...and charge us good money for it...I think there is a market for something like that. images/icons/smile.gif

thanks,

Alex

[Alan Russell]

Gary,

are there any upgrades for us Garritan Lite owners such as myself?

Alan Russell

[Z6]

Originally posted by Alan Russell:
Gary,

are there any upgrades for us Garritan Lite owners such as myself?

Alan Russell <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hey you! Get back in the cheap seats!

Seriously, the updates are fun, fantastic, but it\'s the basic sound that makes this library great. I think you\'d be surprized at how little you\'re really missing considering the incredible entry price of GOS lite. Huge and useful as the updates are, when you look at the \'lite variations\' as a base, the \'leap\' to the full version isn\'t perhaps as gargantuan as one would expect.

I suspect as the full version grows, lite owners will have more and more to gain by taking the plunge.

Nevertheless, I have to say: nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. images/icons/tongue.gif (And I take it back about the difference - it is huge! Go save and upgrade - you won\'t regret it. images/icons/smile.gif )

[Scott Cairns]

Wow! You guys never stop. I still haven\'t digested the last update! It\'s like sitting at a buffet eating your 3rd plate of food and thinking about what your having for your next meal! <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:
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Originally posted by Alan Russell:
Gary,

are there any upgrades for us Garritan Lite owners such as myself?

Alan Russell
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Hey you! Get back in the cheap seats! <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif

Honestly, I get a good laugh here everyday at NS!

[purplememer]

oh, I don\'t know....how \'bout some solo strings...te he he he he!

The new Maple/Maestro Tools kicks butt...so more even more functionality in that is always welcome.

Any one out there want to give you free Woodwind samples for us to play with...that would be cool...and Project SAM\'s stuff rocks, so that is always of course welcome.

As far as variations on what we have now...I need more time to digest and layer to my heart\'s content...then maybe I\'ll be able to think of what else I could possibly need images/icons/smile.gif

[steve_t]

Maestro Tools for Cubase SX would be nice (if that is possible).
Still looking forward to the last update since I havent got it yet.

[Scott Cairns]

I don\'t know if it is asking too much or is even feasible but....

I would love to see a video tutorial (or tutorials) of GOS in the style of Dave Govett\'s Giga mastery series.... I for one would be willing to pay for such a thing.

To those of you with a classical background this is probably going to sound ridiculous but I was completely lost when I first got this library. I was so excited to have it but really didn\'t have the first idea of what patches to use for a given situation.

Like a high end application, GOS is laden with features and options. I now know this is what makes GOS so strong but to a newcomer (to sample libraries and classical terminology) it is bewildering.

After some months and a lot of reading up on orchestration I am really starting to enjoy GOS and appreciate it for what it is. Even now though, I would love to watch clips of composing techniques and tricks.


Just my 2 cheap cents worth... images/icons/smile.gif

Scott.

[Scott Cairns]

Maestro Tools for Cubase SX would be nice (if that is possible).
Still looking forward to the last update since I havent got it yet.<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Steve, I\'ve been using Maestro and Maple Tools in SX. Is it not working for you?

[Markus S]

Hi!
I don\'t have gos but plans to get it. I don\'t know well the actual library, but what I like very much generally is the ppp-sound. Is there such thing actually? Very quiet sounding strings?
Markus.

[Pingu]

...a new folder!!! I\'m being slightly facetious, but you guys are just fantastic. When I put the latest update in my folder I had serious difficulties getting it closed again.

On a more serious note, I\'d like to second the request for maestro tools for Cubase SX.

[johnkay]

How about something down and dirty---less legit sounding---to further round out the library.

Hollywood Strings takes a tiptoe in that direction.

Anything in your sample bag of tricks like that?

John

[Runyon]

Originally posted by lex:
ooh more goodies!



Sul Tasto and Sautille on Violas...or at least down pitch, strech and filter the violines sul tast and saut and rename them to violas...


Oh and I\'ll plug it again...do an GOS add-on, or performance set add on...and charge us good money for it...I think there is a market for something like that. images/icons/smile.gif

thanks,

Alex <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I\'ll echo these suggestions. Viola gigs, and performance set add-ons sound interesting. Can\'t imagine the latter being free, however.

I\'m sure whatever you come up with in the next batch of updates will be highly usable and appreciated.

How about some more super aggressive, bow-ripping bass and cello bowing? Aggressive bowing on steroids!!

[Jean-pierre Brie]

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I don\'t know if it is asking too much or is even feasible but....
I would love to see a video tutorial (or tutorials) of GOS in the style of Dave Govett\'s Giga mastery series.... I for one would be willing to pay for such a thing.
To those of you with a classical background this is probably going to sound ridiculous but I was completely lost when I first got this library. I was so excited to have it but really didn\'t have the first idea of what patches to use for a given situation.
Like a high end application, GOS is laden with features and options. I now know this is what makes GOS so strong but to a newcomer (to sample libraries and classical terminology) it is bewildering.
After some months and a lot of reading up on orchestration I am really starting to enjoy GOS and appreciate it for what it is. Even now though, I would love to watch clips of composing techniques and tricks.
Just my 2 cheap cents worth...
Scott.

I do agree with this one and i would ad that any tutorial in the mode of : \"Getting started with GOS and real world production\" would be a great addition.

Jean-pierre Brie
http://loreille.com (\"http://loreille.com\") images/icons/smile.gif

[derekderek]

I feel the most important thing you could add to the updates is a little more ease of use. Your manual is an excellent reference source, but there doesn\'t seem to be a good teaching/beginner source in the manual or on the web. Some sample setups would be helpful, maybe ranging from easy to more advanced. But most importantly, all in one location. I do think all the info is out there already, but the learning curve is harsh and could be eased by some simple tutorials on setup and so-forth.

Another item that might make for simpler setup would be having maestro tools auto-detect the type of instrument...if possible.

I also put in a vote with the guy before that mentioned maestro tools for cubase.

Who knows, maybe the last 2 paragraphs will be unnecessary when the next gigastudio comes out?

Bottom line: simple, straightforward, baby-steps tutorials. I volunteer my help and ideas and Web Space to anyone who has the time to spearhead a tutorials/sample settings site for fast and easy garritan learning.

[esperlad]

2nd violin crescendos would be nice. Divsi would be great. A lite version of the solo violin for layering purposes.

[Jeannot Welter]

..... long bows VAR instruments.

[purplememer]

Originally posted by Jeannot Welter:
..... long bows VAR instruments. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I 2nd that one images/icons/smile.gif

[dwdonehoo]

Lots of good suggestions already. Something that helps people get past the learning curve is a good idea.

Here are a few ideas:

Some really aggressive crunchy marcato (particularly violins) that would replace my use of the Prosonus marcato would be swell. The Prosonus marcato is kinda uneven, so giving it the Garritan approach would put the issue over the top.

I think (though I have not tried it myself) matching (or one-upping) the Performance Tools of the VSL cube would be a good idea. In particular if woodwinds were added. images/icons/wink.gif

I would look at anything that can not be done well or convincing (in articulations) and concentrate in that area.

The approach of predetermined panning and room ambiance is always a great approach (aka SI and QLSO). I am a big fan of built-in ambiance, such as found in Tob\'s G-town, KH Brass and SAMs brass. I think it makes all the difference in realism. Some instrument sounds NEED to develop in the acoustic space, in particular bass-ended instruments. So far SAMs and what I have heard of QLSO have just the right amount of \"room\" and take very well to additional reverb. The trick is getting the right amount.

More ideas later...

[MDesigner]

A few things I\'d like to see:

1) Violas Grand Sus EXP

2) Cellos/basses short bows with a sharper attack. As it stands now, the aggressives are the best GOS has.. but it sounds like the players still have too much of a \"start-up\" time when starting the bow movement. I\'d like a short bow that sounds like the player has the bow on the string and then suddenly jerks their arm at full speed. images/icons/smile.gif Very sharp and crisp. I\'d actually pay $$ for those samples.

3) Looped detaches (grand sustains) for cello section.

[DSP Bill]

Hi,

I\'ve got the Akai version and before I upgrade I am waiting for a suitable Mac version to run on Kontakt, EXS24 or Mach5. I don\'t really care which one (OK, I would probably prefer Kontakt), but I do hope to be able to utilize the functionality of something like Maestro Tools in the Mac Environment. A friend of mine just got the Vienna library for Logic on his Mac and I\'m waiting to get some feedback about functionality outside of Gigasampler.

Thanks.

Bill

[Oliver Vessey]

My vote is for more avant-garde techniques -

e.g.
pizzicato harmonics
tremelo slides
pizzicato slides
pizzicato with fingernail

thanks gary

[J. Whaley]

Tutorials tutorial tutorials... The most frustrating thing for me is not knowing how to really use the samples. I have these great samples and yet when I\'m done with them they sound nothing like anything Thomas J or Simon get out of them. The tutorials that are available are cool, but don\'t really feature what I need.

From my perspective (others may be different) here\'s a typical situation:

I get a score from an arranger. Everything is written and my job is to play it all and make it sound as real as I can. Giga is cool because all the articulations are there, but by the time I get it all together I\'ve spent more time then if we\'d just hired 35 string players and overdubbed each one. It\'s just not time effective for me. There\'s GOT to be a quicker way to work, but I don\'t know how. I end up going back to a generic patch on some synth simply because I can work with it quicker. When I work with my samples the number one complaint I get is \"the strings sound late\" (because they don\'t seem to attack quick enough (even the short bows and marcatos) . Even though I\'ve speant tons of money on samples, old line arrangers who know just enough to be dangerous will say something like \"well don\'t you just have a good patch on one of those Roland modules over there?\". When I pull something up they say \"that\'s it\". And it makes me want to puke because I know something better is in my studio and it\'s only my incompetence that keeps me from using it. SO... Tutorials. I don\'t even know where to begin other then teach us everything there is to know! And I\'d pay for it too. I\'m not looking for a hand out. Just something really complete that helps us learn to work with samples and the whole shabang!

[meeehoon]

Aye... Tutorials will be fantastic!!! images/icons/grin.gif Will buy that in a heartbeat!!! images/icons/grin.gif Seriously though, any update will be cool...

meeehoon

[DCB]

One thing I always found lacking in GOS, right from the very first day I got it, was the relatively short ranges of the lower strings. The higher ranges of the cellos and basses may not be much used, but they do provide a contrast of tone color different from the violins/violas in the same range. Cellos especially have a uniquely resonant sound when played really high on the A string, which is instantly distinguishable from the violins at the same pitch. I was disappointed that the cellos stop at C5 (G4 on some patches). I would love just to have say another 7 semitones above that to add to the palette.

Also, some of the violin patches, particularly the sordinos (the All grand detache one I think) and tremolos, stop at C6. I have resorted to using pitch shifting just to get the sordinos a few semitones higher. I wish I didn\'t have to do this. A really high violin tremelo (at p or pp dynamic) makes a nice etherial effect, and would be something good to have.

Having said this, I somewhat doubt that the same consistency of tone could be achieved by a new sampling session now that the rest of the library has already been recorded. I found some of the extensions to the cello short bow ranges (in the first update) rather odd sounding.

If any future upgrades could address these points I would be really happy.

[MDesigner]

Oh, another request: half-step and whole-step trills with expression control via MOD wheel.

[Ash F]

...Maestro tools as an MFX plug... images/icons/wink.gif

[SyQuEsT]

All Strings GDetaché Sustain

[Yves]

I\'m another one who\'s voting for a tutorial!
I think that a library of that magnitude and quality deserves to be in good hands..!

peace

Yves

[VincePro]

Each time you guys ask for new bowings, articulations, etc....Does Gary have to go and rerecord a string section again??

[lex]

Originally posted by VincePro:
Each time you guys ask for new bowings, articulations, etc....Does Gary have to go and rerecord a string section again?? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">For freebies of course not...

But it would be great if he did and the sold it as an update...

Alex

[Russ]

I\'d love for Gary maybe to \'re-record\' the entire library with either some ambience or at least a little further back from the mics to get a little \'breathing\' room. Nothing *wrong* with GOS (I\'m basing off of demos) but it just sounds too much \'in your face,\' even if it\'s the effect you\'re trying to get.

* au talon
* punta d\'arco
* divsi strings
* I hear people complaining about there being no real pianissimo, so maybe those?
* Multiple staccatos/spiccatos/marcatos/pizzicatos
* Maybe I\'m getting this from the wrong source, but I was told there\'s no up/down bowing, just a program that facilitates it between two different samples of the same (i.e. mp/mf of Grand Sustain).
* individual sul recordings for some of the longer notes on *each* string so the individual could pick out his own string sound (or make a keyswitched version for on-the-fly switches). This would also double to provide at least two variations on most notes.

This just wishful thinking, but the GOS sound works so well for people that maybe a GOS II would be another idea. People that have GOS I could then \'upgrade\' for a small fee, so they wouldn\'t be left out.

Just some thought thrown out there.

[lex]

Don\'t you think that GOSII featuring all the aspects that are not covered, but as a second part of the library not as un upgrade would be a better idea.

-small ensambles

-patches that focus on p to ppp range in great detail

-Patches with extensive emotional vibrato

-more short articulations for viola and cello

-broken arppegios, separate samples for up and down scale

-And of course legato with and without vibrato

Of course this would ask for a FULL fee not a SMALL fee. But wouldn\'t it be great, same as Nick a while ago had the idea of QLB2...

I have no idea how does this sound from the marketing/financial perspective, but I would allways purchase something that expands ewen more on a product that I use on daily bases.

Plus, it would without doubt ,when combined together, be the most extensive string ensamble tool ever. images/icons/wink.gif

ALex

[PeterRoos]

Amen to that Lex! images/icons/cool.gif
Smaller ensembles AND the softer dynamics would be great (plus all the other options you suggest) images/icons/smile.gif

[midphase]

A lot of users have commented on how well the GOS sound is enhanced by adding a bit of DD Solo Strings to it.

A lead 1st violinist for each group would be delightful. Mind you, not a \"solo\" violin per se\' but more of a close(er) miked 1st player to accentuate the melody and add a tad more definition when needed.

I have also long advocated the use of smaller string groups , for example, I would divide the 1st and 2nd violins into 4 groups each (front row left, front row right, back row left, back row right) and record them in place so as to preserve the acoustic depth. The Violas, Cellos and Basses could utilize 2 groups each. Even if those were only available for sustains only, it would greatly enhance the depth and variations of a string orchestra.

Of course those suggestions would only qualify for an update if Gary happened to have recorded them already. I would not expect the GOS team to go out and re-record additional samples mainly due to the cost involved but also due to the possible lack in continuity of the samples.

[Rob Elliott]

Originally posted by dwdonehoo:
Lots of good suggestions already. Something that helps people get past the learning curve is a good idea.

Here are a few ideas:

Some really aggressive crunchy marcato (particularly violins) that would replace my use of the Prosonus marcato would be swell. The Prosonus marcato is kinda uneven, so giving it the Garritan approach would put the issue over the top.

I think (though I have not tried it myself) matching (or one-upping) the Performance Tools of the VSL cube would be a good idea. In particular if woodwinds were added. images/icons/wink.gif

I would look at anything that can not be done well or convincing (in articulations) and concentrate in that area.

The approach of predetermined panning and room ambiance is always a great approach (aka SI and QLSO). I am a big fan of built-in ambiance, such as found in Tob\'s G-town, KH Brass and SAMs brass. I think it makes all the difference in realism. Some instrument sounds NEED to develop in the acoustic space, in particular bass-ended instruments. So far SAMs and what I have heard of QLSO have just the right amount of \"room\" and take very well to additional reverb. The trick is getting the right amount.

More ideas later... <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">This is a fantastic idea from Doyle (performance tool) - very user friendly.
Rob

[Rob Elliott]

Originally posted by SyQuEsT:
All Strings GDetaché Sustain <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hi Gary,

I find myself frequently going to my Grand Detache violins. Have \'all strings\' would be very useful. I do appreciate all the ongoing work you have done. Can\'t wait for the solo string library.

Rob

[KingIdiot]

Have you tried the \"full Strings\" KI patch?

this is what I made in place of an \"all strings\" GR Detache patch since I found it pretty much impossibe to create.

[esperlad]

I would love to see a small ensembles Library. Smaller groups have interested me for ages. VSL has plans to make these types of samples.

Has no one noticed my suggestion of a \'lite\' solo violin as an update, or does no one care?

As for the release of the complete solo strings package, Gary has stated that he will not released those until version 3.0 is avalible.

[Rob Elliott]

Hi King,

I am embarrased to say I haven\'t tried that patch yet (I need to get through that and other updated libraries soon). Does it have that same sweet sound that the 1st /2nd VLn grand detache\'s have (I have pop song I am producing that requires it.) Many thanks.

Rob

[Garritan]

Thanks everyone for your ideas and suggestions. These comments are very helpful for planning the next round of free updates.

Russ, dwdonehoo, lex, MDesigner...We certainly can do aggressive Violins I & II which will most likely make it into the next updates. images/icons/smile.gif

brewick, MDesigner, SyQuEsT, Rob Elliot...We will do our best to create Grand Sustains for the All Violins. Ditto for the Cellos.

lex, Runyon...There will most certainly be more impulses. We have hundreds of them now which I believe are better than the original GOS impulses.

A PAID GOS add-on? I don\'t think so, the updates will remain free. But there will be new products coming where GOS users will get an generous discount. Thanks for the suggestion though.

purplememer, dwdonehoo ... We have been updating MaestroTools in all of the previous updates and expect to continue the tradition. We have been researching some interesting things at GOS Central with regards to more MIDI features. We may even do better than the performance tools for Solo Strings, GOS II or another product.

Jeannot Welter...long bows VAR programming certainly would be doable and I\'ll check with Tom to see if these can make it into the next updates as art. files.

steve_t, Pingu, derekderek,Ash F ... MaestroTools features incorporated in CubaseSX is something we have been trying to do...if only Steinberg would open up their code. images/icons/frown.gif Only Wizoo, Steinberg\'s exclusive sample arm, has had access to do those things. Maybe that will change

Russ... There are actually up/down bowing samples and MaestroTools alternates between the two. images/icons/cool.gif We do have sul recordings, and keyswitching between the two is a good idea.

MDesigner ...half-step and whole-step trills with expression control via MOD wheel. - That\'s an easy one with art files.

Oliver Vessey ...more avant-garde techniques. Perhaps we can offer some additional effects and we\'ll do our best to include some more.

Scott Cairns, Jean-pierre Brie, derekderek ... A video or flash tutorial is a good idea - a la GSM. Tom did the audio tutorial (\"http://www.garritan.com/mp3/GOS_DEMO-128k\"), and I\'ll see if handsome Tom would be willing to star in this new epic. graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif

derekderek, J. Whaley,meeehoon, Yves ... More tutorials will be posted on the GOS site and provided before the next updates. derekderek- thanks for offering your Web Space.

VincePro - You asked whether \"each time you guys ask for new bowings, articulations, etc....Does Gary have to go and rerecord a string section again??\" Not really. I still have a lot of material from the original recordings that never made it into the library. I release new articulations in the updates. Also, some additions are programmed and rendered as KingIditot has done with the Hollywood strings.

esperlad - You suggestion of a \'lite\' solo violin as an update is a good idea. Divisi would be nice, but that would be a separate product.

johnkay...something down and dirty? We\'ll think about that one and see what we can come up with. images/icons/grin.gif

midphase, lex, Russ... GOS II? A new string library has been in the works. Newer technologies will allow us to do so much more. Expect another revolution, but be patient.

Z6...the dancing penguins are included below for your enjoyment images/icons/smile.gif

http://www.gigastrings.com/images/penguins.gif

Let me know what other suggestions you may have. Thanks again everyone for your help. images/icons/wink.gif

Gary Garritan

[peter269]

1. True aggressive short downbows to pull off the \"rite of spring\" like passages so common in film/tv.

2. trills of a major and minor third

3. Consistency in each section so that whatever bowings are in the violins are equally available with the same names down through the basses.

4. Possibly handling legato bowings in Maestro tools to avoid trying to pedal it in all the time.

5. A crate of Gator Ade for Tom to have a Kontakt version of GOS werry, werry soon. How about BEFORE NFL preseason starts in August! graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif

[VocalSampleSeeker]

There is so much I don\'t know as to what is where, that perhaps what I want is already in the base or the updates ... but one useful \'instrument\' would be a mega-string with a full range from low double bass to high violin. Not for realism, but for interim noodling for those of us who work in many iterations. As I type this, I wonder, was there a \"string ensemble\" that I never loaded onto my computer?

[VocalSampleSeeker]

re my last post ...
I almost looked before pushing SEND ... and should have. Found what I wanted on the 16th CD of the set, a top-to-bottom string sound, and there are probably improvements in the updates yet to find.

[Robert Kral]

King\'s hollywood strings are great for what you want. In the case of the violin register especially, its not just a scratch pad either, but one of the very best arco strings you will ever here from ANY sample library!

[KingIdiot]

Glad you still like em Rob images/icons/wink.gif

me too. I cant believe how light they are on memory. There\'s better sounding stuff out there and better sounding stuff comming out, but these suckers are extremely easy on memory and sound nice still. I\'m realy happy with that.

[esencia]

It would be great increase the flexibility of string elements (vibratos, legato, repetitions...): change the tempo of repetitions acording to the bpm of the sond, and perform authentic runs.
Vienna is gonna be a great competitor to my lovely Garritan samples... and they will include an utility+samples called PERFORMANCE SET that will allow thie things and more...
With the quality of garritan samples.. Create this utility with the necesary samples will worth a lot.