Coming Soon...GARRITAN PERSONAL ORCHESTRA

[Garritan]

We are pleased to announce a new orchestral package - Garritan Personal Orchestra. It is a complete orchestral library, sketchpad and toolkit.

Personal Orchestra ships with its own sample player, Native Instruments\' Kontakt Player. Personal Orchestra will run on a Windows or Mac OS system, either as a standalone application or a plug-in (VST, DXi, RTAS, and Audio Units) to your favorite sequencer (Cubase, Logic, Digital Performer 4.1, Nuendo, Sonar, ProTools, etc.). Moreover, Personal Orchestra instruments will load into Kontakt, Native Instruments\' flagship sampler. The package will also include GenieSoft\'s Overture SE notation program and Ambience Reverb. All this for just $249.

Personal Orchestra contains samples of all the major instruments in a symphony orchestra-strings, brass, woodwinds, and percussion. It also includes a Steinway® concert grand piano, Stradivarius and Gagliano violins, Wurlitzer and Venus concert harps, Haynes flute, Heckel bassoons, a harpsichord, a celeste, a Rudolf von Beckerath concert pipe organ, and many other high-quality instruments.

A major feature of Personal Orchestra is its flexible instrument design. You\'ll be able to construct ensembles and sections of various sizes from specially programmed solo instruments. Instead of limiting you to a predetermined section of instruments, Personal Orchestra provides multiple solo instruments of the same type so you can create sections appropriate for the musical context. If your music calls for three trumpets playing in unison, layer three unique solo trumpet patches to create a powerful trumpet section. If you need five French horns playing separate parts, assign five unique solo French horn patches to their own track to produce a rich sounding choir. The options will seem limitless.

In the initial release of Personal Orchestra, all of the instrument sections, except for the strings, are built from individual instruments. However, you can even build smaller, more intimate string sections and ensembles from a solo stringed instruments. We have sampled numerous individual stringed instruments and expect to offer a complete string orchestra in the future, so you can build entire string sections one instrument at a time.

The primary design goal of Personal Orchestra was ease of use. We wanted a library that would allow you to create realistic sounding orchestral music quickly and easily, right \"out of the box.\" No long and confusing lists of articulations, no complicated set of controls, and no steep learning curve. Just load an instrument and play. And it\'s compact enough to run on a laptop computer.

The controls in Personal Orchestra are streamlined and standardized, so you can become familiar with the library quickly. This optimized system allows you to master all the instruments with relative ease and confidence. Advanced functions, such as alternating bow strokes and automatic variability, help you produce convincing sounding performances with minimal effort.

We designed Personal Orchestra library to grow as your needs grow. More solo instruments, articulations, features, legato and interval tools, and enhancements will become available, so your initial investment is protected as technology progresses.

The entire orchestra can be loaded on a single PC or laptop and is designed to run completely in RAM. Imagine doing orchestrations on the beach, on a plane or anywhere else you can take your laptop. Whether you\'re a professional composer who needs to produce orchestral mockups at a moment\'s notice, a hobbyist who wants to create great sounding orchestral music, or a beginning student of orchestration, Personal Orchestra will serve you well. This is an \"orchestra for every musician.\"

We are now taking pre-orders. Personal Orchestra will be available from my web site www.garritan.com (\"http://www.garritan.com\") and various distributors. Please note that the above is subject to change We will post demos in the weeks ahead.

Gary Garritan

[Hardy Heern]

Gary, this sounds like the answer to the maiden\'s prayer! I like the idea of expandability too. Is this the package that will make my Gigastudio vs Kontakt decision easier?

How do you see the Personal Orchestra in comparison to the \'Advanced Orchestra\' which I had narrowed down to. (I haven\'t totally ruled out your Strings and GS bundle though.....if GS v3 comes out before the winter season!!)

The only other trouble is that I have been collecting, but haven\'t used, a number of GS sample CD\'s...I wish I hadn\'t now!! ¦:^) (Now if only I was allowed to sell them...Oh no! not that old chesnut!!)

I\'m sure you\'re on the right track with this one. As you\'re one of the trailblazers in the field of ground breaking libraries, I\'m not really surprised that you\'re behind what appears to be a real price/performance and ease of use breakthrough. I can\'t wait to hear the demos!

Best of luck

Frank

[DrDeltaM]

Seems a great library for a great price!

I do wonder tho: how \'useless\' will my GOS Lite be compared to the GPO Strings? Or is GOS Lite still significantly better sounding (or more flexible, more articulations?) then the GPO strings?

[falcon1]

This is so cool! It\'s incredible how much Gary has obviously managed to put into this package without having to charge high price for it.

Gary, you are the man! images/icons/wink.gif

[lex]

Originally posted by Garritan:
A major feature of Personal Orchestra is its flexible instrument design. You\'ll be able to construct ensembles and sections of various sizes from specially programmed solo instruments. Gary Garritan <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Im a bit confused with this.

Are there section samples/recordings included?

Alex

[kitekrazy]

I would think this is limited to a minimal amount of articulations.

[Garritan]

Originally posted by lex:
Are there section samples/recordings included? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">For brass, woodwinds and smaller string ensembles, you make your own sections from multiple solo instruments. The exception is large string sections. Because there can be over twenty violin players, it would be more difficult to create a section from individual violinists (but we are diligently working on it for an upcoming release). Nevertheless, all other instrument groups do not have several of the same instrument playing the same note in unison, but individual solo instruments. For example, you would load in three solo oboe patches for an oboe ensemble, or five horn patches for a horn section, or three clarinet patches for a section, and so on. You even have the ability to create small intimate string ensembles as well as having the large sweeping string sections.

The need for this feature was put forth in an Electronic Musician review of brass libraries last March. The author Rob Shrock stated the need more eloquently:

\"SENSIBLE ENSEMBLES
I wish sample developers would address how brass sections are created in real life and give us that option. What we need more than unison ensemble samples are multiple “players.” For instance, a typical trumpet section consists of three players. When they play in unison you hear three distinct players on a single note. When they play a triad, you still hear three individual players, this time making up the chord with one player per note.

If you play a triad with an ensemble brass sound, you suddenly get the sound of nine “players” (three players per note), which causes an unsatisfactory shift in timbre. Using multiple copies of a single solo instrument to play each note of a triad is a poor substitute because the ear can hear that the subtle differences between players are missing and the voices are identical and therefore unnatural. What\'s more, you can\'t shift between harmony and unisons because of phasing on the unisons. The solution is to give us multiple solo instruments (First, Second, Third, and so forth) for those of us who like to build up sections one instrument at a time ...Of course, that means a lot more work for the developers...For the most part, the lack of multiple individual solo players remains the biggest missing link in orchestral and ensemble simulations with samples.\"

So, instead of providing blocks of unison notes with the same relative attacks, placements and intonations; you build your sections one instrument at a time. When you start building sections from individual instruments, with all the instruments playing in a different way, the result can be compelling. This is more akin to what real orchestras do.

GPO gives you the ability to choose 1, 2, 3 or more of the same instrument playing separately or in unison. You can build a duo, or trio, quartet, an ensemble, or do divisi. Alternatively you can have fluid individual solo lines. You can load separate instruments on separate tracks. Or you can layer them on one track. With GPO the instruments in a section are not locked into position and you can pan the individual instruments into different seating arrangements. I believe this is a much more flexible and straightforward approach.
Gary Garritan

[SyQuEsT]

Hi Garritan,

Good new !!! images/icons/smile.gif

There will have a special price for GOS users or for \"GOS update helpers\" ? images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/wink.gif

Congratulation and nice new website,

[RickD]

Gary,
Will the Personal Orchestra run on D.P. 3 with a VST wrapper? If not, you are saying it will run as a standalone on my Mac? How much ram will my Mac need?

Thanks! I\'m excited about this approach.

Rick

[lex]

Ok...I allways get confused by a lot of words..
So let me see if I got this right.

-No sections in unis are recorded except for the strings

-There are up to 3 different versions of same solo instrument for section building?

Correct?

Alex

[Garritan]

SyQuEst: Of course we will be extra nice to \"GOS Update helpers\".

RickD: The new DP 4.1 will have AudioUnits support. The Kontakt sample player bundled with GPO will support AudioUnits. I would recommend one gigabyte of RAM to comfortably run the library (although more is always better).

Lex: Correct. No sections in unisons except for large strings. Yes, there are several different versions of the same solo instrument for section building. Some have two (e.g. contrabasoon), most instruments have three versions, and some have more (e.g. french horns)

Gary

[Z6]

Lex, there are string sections (with more variety than you might imagine) also solo and ensemble strings. Brass and woodwind come in solo and ensemble instruments so you actually build the section yourself. This approach is very effective. It means you can work a lot of movement and realism into the sound: you can bring each player in \'around\' the beat - like real life; you can use different attacks and expression curves across each member of the section. My initial impression was like this: I\'d hear an \'ensemble\' instrument and think \"Well, it\'s pretty small, I shouldn\'t expect too much from such a small footprint\". Then when you add the instruments together you start to hear what Gary has done; it\'s quite unique; more than the sum of its parts.

Kitekrazy. Yes, compared to the mega libraries we\'ve all got used to the list of articulations is tiny. But bear in mind that this library uses a different approach. Tom has made a wonderful job of the programming. One of the reasons it\'s so easy to use is that a single articulation can be molded into a surprising array of possibilities.

I think it\'s a mistake to assume that this library is simply a handy sketchpad (which, no doubt, it is). It is a new approach, both from a business model perspective and performance-wise. I don\'t own AO, but I believe that it leaves libraries in that price range in the dust. And remember this is a Garritan product: it\'s a full featured professional offering that sounds as good as your skills will make it sound; it forms the basis of something quite wonderful, something that will take libraries to the \'next step\' that someone mentioned on another thread.

This is the first time that someone has taken a real step towards a library where you get to control every player. It is certainly fast; in terms of loading and getting down to work, and the \'lack\' of articulations is offset by the fantastic programming and great sounds.

I\'ve been constantly amazed by it. For example, if you\'re about to buy a piano: wait. I own the wonderful Malsjmo and the superb Post Bosendorfer and this piano sits right by those two - no compromise in quality. If you\'re after strings, this library will give you everything from lush sections to light ensembles: you can layer in a number of \'solo\' ensemble strings to add sparkle, but I believe that the section strings are as good as any out there (seriously). There are a couple of great sounding harps, a pipe organ and a harpsichord. I doubt that you\'d throw out your current instruments for any of these, but they are damn good.

It\'s quite strange really, because the library is so small but the design ensures that you have a huge range of possibilities. It really is a work of art.

On demos: they\'ll be out soon so you can judge for yourselves. I don\'t think this library should be judged against the $3,000-$5,000 libraries, but I\'d say this: it doesn\'t have the wonderful VSL legato tool, it doesn\'t have that gorgeous inbuilt space that EWQLSO has, but it does have a certain realism that I\'ve never heard from any other library. In the right hands (you guys) orchestral vistas are incredibly detailed.

It is obviously aimed at a completely new market, with all of the add-ins that enable the user to get to work without any extra purchases but I\'d doubt that there is a single NS member who wouldn\'t think this is the best $249 he ever spent.

Garritan is rewriting the rules (again) with this one. More power to him for making this level of quality avaible at an astonishing price point.

[polarwind]

I have been following this forum for 5 years on a weekly basis and have never felt the need to respond to any topic herewith contained. This development changed that. Thank You Gary! All I need to know is which Mac (G3,G4) dual processors, I already read the 1+gig memory recommendation. Just tell me what machine will get the job done for a small size, Mozart chamber group style orchestra and you will have a customer.

Polar Wind

[JonP]

The concept is marvellous, the price is astounding!. If the sounds really are as great as Z6 says then this thing will sell like hotcakes. I cannot wait to hear it.

Gary, you are one of those think-outside-the-box men who really know what the general musician requires. I salute you! images/icons/smile.gif

[Z6]

Another thing I should say: Peter mentioned this on another thread and got slammed - GPO is huge fun. This may not be a big deal to pros but hobbyists will appreciate it and it relates to the \'realism\' that I mentioned:

The realism isn\'t simply \'in the waveform\' or even \'in the programming\' (although it is a function of the excellent programming and overall design). The realism is more of a two-way deal between the library and the user. In the past we had a variety of articulations to choose from. GPO has only a few in comparison but when you load a file and start playing around, you don\'t have to rack your brains wondering what \'articulation\' to use. What you do is start imagining the actual players in relation to the overall music. You can make one of your horn players a bit lazy and sling him behind the beat, another, eager-beaver, can anticipate the beat. Perhaps one player simply can\'t get fff and tends to disappear in loud tuttis, another might excel in the soft passages. You can randomize expression between all the players in all the sections. This is a very \'freeing\' experience. I suppose you could even mix each player individually (reverb, EQ etc); not sure if anyone has tried that yet, but the possibilities are endless. Another example; you might want to \'detune\' one of the violin players in a particularly difficult section or have him \'too far\' behind the beat?

It takes you out of the \'block mindset\' where we have these absolutely perfect sections always playing beautifully in time and cloning dynamics.

It feels more like using a \'realism\' toolset than expecting the library itself to sound like the finished article out of the box (but you don\'t have to \'program\' the waveforms). It feels more like actually \'playing\' the music.

Another thing to look forward to is that the demos are, by and large, renditions of well-known tunes. Nobody has been given this library with the instructions to use whatever sounds \'best\'. So we all get to actually hear exactly what the library sounds like attempting everything from (?????) to (????).

[lex]

Well in the past 3 solo samples for a section concept, never worked.

So if here it works, it is truly revolutionary, and I can\'t wait to hear it.

Thanks for clearing it up for me.

Alex

[Not Dudley Simpson]

Thanks Z6. Gary\'s library not only seems revolutionary in price/features, but it also seems to be the first \"ethical\" sample library produced. Bravo.

Demos notwithstanding, it\'s going to be fascinating to watch what happens to the market after this.

Good luck GPO.

[Haydn]

Gary and Tom pulled off this because of the programming features in Kontakt. You will be amazed at what Tom has done with filter envelopes. He\'s just absolutely a genius!! He also listens to us, the beta testers, and seems to not sleep.

Here\'s some notes I posted on another thread:

I\'m also one of the beta testers for GPO. Before Gary and Tom started working on this library they had a well defined set of goals. They sent us a document with these goals which I used as a template to test the library. I have to admit that they have hit all of the goals set forth in the original document. The feature list you see listed on the Garritan website is basically this same list of goals.

I have been having fun working on demos for this library. The library is quite easy to use and has a very low frustration level. You can basically load up your sequencer with a template and get to work and not have to worry much about which articulation, instruments, etc. to choose. Tom Hopkins has just done an amazing job programming this one.

One of the coolest features is the ensemble instruments. These work great in the woodwind sections. You can easily go from 2 clarinets playing 2 different parts to a unison part without phasing issues. The samples have not been tuned to death which really helps with the ensembles.

I\'ve been testing GPO with a P4 2.4 GHz machine with 1 GB of RAM. I\'ve had 8 instances of Kontakt going at once inside of Sonar 2.2. The instruments loaded were all strings sections (short bows, sustains and pizzicato), 2 harps, celeste, xylophone, Percussion (bass drum, cymbals, triangle, tambourine, timpani), Brass (tuba, bass trombone, 2 tenor trombones, 3 trumpets, 4 french horns), Woodwinds (Contrabassoon, 2 bassoons, bass clarinet, 2 clarinets, english horn, 2 oboes, 2 flutes and piccolo) with 150 MB of free memory. I\'m getting up to 200 notes of polyphony in stereo without using DFD. All parts were playing on one computer without having to bounce any tracks. This is all in realtime! BTW, it takes only 30 seconds for me to load the song and samples.

Did I mention that this library is fun to work with?!!

[J. Whaley]

I for one can\'t wait to hear it. I bet I buy it as soon as it\'s shipping images/icons/smile.gif When WILL it be shipping?

J-

[MusicalCharities]

I called in to pre-order it this morning, and I asked the same question. It should be shipping in about a month, if I am permitted to say so.

[SyQuEsT]

Originally posted by Garritan:
[QB] SyQuEst: Of course we will be extra nice to \"GOS Update helpers\".<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">images/icons/smile.gif Nice ... but can I ask you what do you mean ? special price ? graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif

[Houston Haynes]

Originally posted by SyQuEsT:
[QUOTE]Nice ... but can I ask you what do you mean ? special price ? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">If you weren\'t a helper, should it matter? At $249 MSRP you should be able to sell a kidney and have enough left over for a computer to put it on. images/icons/grin.gif

[SyQuEsT]

Houston,

images/icons/grin.gif Of course but I was an helper of the last upgrade ... images/icons/smile.gif

and I\'m a curious man ... images/icons/wink.gif

[Not Dudley Simpson]

Z6 Wrote:

\"if you\'re about to buy a piano: wait. I own the wonderful Malsjmo and the superb Post Bosendorfer and this piano sits right by those two - no compromise in quality.\"

That\'s the most audacious statement I\'ve ever read on this forum. I\'m excited. But I\'m also puzzled. I can\'t quite see how Gary has pulled this off with the footprint claimed. New compression techniques? Or pixie dust? How? Amazing. I dare say that the Garritan site will wheeze under the weight of demo downloads.

[Z6]

Originally posted by Not Dudley Simpson:
Z6 Wrote:

\"if you\'re about to buy a piano: wait. I own the wonderful Malsjmo and the superb Post Bosendorfer and this piano sits right by those two - no compromise in quality.\"

That\'s the most audacious statement I\'ve ever read on this forum. I\'m excited. But I\'m also puzzled. I can\'t quite see how Gary has pulled this off with the footprint claimed. New compression techniques? Or pixie dust? How? Amazing. I dare say that the Garritan site will wheeze under the weight of demo downloads. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Well, size isn\'t everything. Luckily, it won\'t be too long before you can download the demos and judge for yourself.

As to my audacious comment: I wouldn\'t swap my Bozie and Malmsjo for anything. However, I\'m not a pro who runs templates 24 hours a day and since GPO arrived on my hard disk I\'m finding myself loading it before anything else because it\'s so damn quick to load and yes, there is no compromise in quality. I thought at first that a piano in the library would be very handy; I wasn\'t prepared for the quality; it\'s a delightful piano, worthy of being sold standalone.

People here are extremely critical, and rightly so, we can spend great wads of cash on something with little real idea of what we\'re buying. I\'m sure we\'ve all felt the \'consumer angst\' after entering our credit card numbers.

The reason I\'m so positive about this product is purely because it\'s absolutely the best value I\'ve ever seen in this sector. It\'s massive fun to use. It puts you on an upgrade path that holds almost miraculous promise, and it sounds very, very good indeed. If you cut it up and judged each individual instrument or section against the current \'champion\' offerings out there, it might not beat all comers. But as I keep saying, this isn\'t a head-to-head battle. I\'d never advise anyone against buying the Bozie or the Mamsjo; they\'re great. But I know the sickening feeling of buying something only to find I could have gotten a much better deal later. Hobbyists are usually on a budget and this is definitely a case for holding back on purchases.

In fact, I\'d say to anyone considering buying any library at all to wait until this one is released. Pros will use it as a sketchpad and a mobile solution. Hobbyists looking for a good deal will lose their minds over it. At last, a library that doesn\'t look down its nose at you; a library that gives you everything you need without having to take out a mortgage. This library will change everything. Just as developers rushed out to build bigger and better offerings, I\'m hoping that this will set a trend and they\'ll start pricing without paranoia (i.e. trying to break even with double digit sales numbers).

Wait for the demos. I\'m as puzzled as you as to how they did it.

And, yes, I believe Gary used pixie dust (I suggested compression but he would have none of it. I think he\'s crazy; pixie dust is so expensive. images/icons/wink.gif )

[Hardy Heern]

Thanks all you beta testers for sharing your experience with the GPO. I\'m completely sold on what I\'ve heard. When I think back to my Roland SC55 Sound Canvas I used to copy the lead line to 3 tracks, set up slightly different instruments on each (filters etc) and then delete notes randomly so that only one of the tracks had the note at any one time.....all in the aid of realism. I\'ve been waiting for years for someone to do this automatically.

Now, can anyone help me with my dilemma which is as follows:-

First of all, I\'m definitely going to get this library. I built a new quiet PC for GS 3 last October in anticipation of V3. The \'its just around the corner\' feeling has kept me going for a year!! and in that time I have been buying Giga CDROMS when there is a deal. I now have:

SAMS Horns- Solo and Section
Yellow Tools Pure Guitars
Sample heads Whole Lotta Country (AKAI)
Westgate Woodwinds
Malmsjo Grand (not because it\'s necessarily my favourite but because I couldn\'t resist the recent offer images/icons/wink.gif )
VR Sound Nylon Guitar
A selection of decent soundfont CDROMS

Now when I have GPO (BTW,this stands for the \'General Post Office\' in the UK images/icons/smile.gif ) I would like to use some of the above collections with it. This would mean buying GS (3 hopefully) to run these or maybe Kontakt and convert them. GPO runs under Kontakt so maybe this would be better? The point is that I have 1Gb RAM in my new PC so would I be able to run GS and GPO on 1Gb RAM? Would Kontakt be a better, more RAM efficient solution in my situation...I\'d appreciate any opinions from the testers if they have run other samplers alongside GPO.

Forumers may be interested to hear the following: I was phoning around yesterday regarding a sound card (I\'m going for the ESI WaveTerminal because of its low latency and Direct Wire software) and was also enquiring about prices and availability of Kontakt and GS. Interestingly, and perhaps worryingly, no one stocked GS, although it was available to order, whereas everyone had Kontakt. Last year I was talking to a sales assistant about GS and he said (unbelievably) why don\'t you get it off the Internet...most people do!! Actually I could get hold of it very easily but I choose not to.

I think that GS and its samples are just too financially elitist (out of reach) for many non-Americans! Our US cousins may not realise that their disposable income is around 50-100% more (job for job) than here certainly, and to make matters worse we usually have to pay £ for $ price....that\'s approx another 50%!! To get an idea of how it is for us imagine yourselves forking out say $5000-$6000 for EW/QLSO for example...how does that feel? I\'m not whinging as there are some good reasons for some of the differences but I think that Tascam should look at their International pricing structure before GS is completely priced out of the market over here.

Another point I came across yesterday is that Halion v2 is popular at the moment. Some of this is due to the fact that the new stuff always generates a buzz and this generates sales. It is another reason for software companies to get out revisions every few months so that they can keep in the headlines and keep peoples\' interest alive.

Finally, I also received my Time and Space (UK\'s largest Sample supplier..I think) catalogue and it is clear that there is a very strong movement towards Romplers, like GPO....maybe the days of player independent CDROMS are numbered. Apart from piracy there are good programming reasons for this. Gary\'s enlightened pricing policy will minimise piracy anyway. I suspect the whole package (ing) will be irresistible at that price. I\'d be very surprised if GS3 didn\'t have a Rompler version.

Sorry to ramble off topic with these thoughts prompted by yesterday\'s phone-a-round but I would appreciate assistance with the first, important part, of this post.

Cheers

Frank

[jcn7]

Hi Gary, like many here on the forum have said, this is great news! I have been using this principle for years...Playing one line of music with one intsrument (since I use a lot of physical modeled instruments(Yamaha VL70m and Korg OASYS)) and play that line of music as a phrase the way the instrument is normaly played. I find that using breath control makes me actually \"play\" the instrument and phrase the instrument the way it would normally be played in real life. That being said, will there be the ability to use breath control on Brass, Woodwinds, and even Strings? I\'ve always thought that this approch makes a lot more sense, because after all, that is the way music is played...one instumentalist for each part of music, and each player in a section IS a different player. I think its time to realize that the keyboard is not the best way to play all these new instruments, but rather to use other controllers that match that family of intruments. Again, hoping that you will carry this idea to it\'s logical conclusion. Thanks again!

[Hardy Heern]

Hi Haydn,

Thanks a lot for the advice. It really is starting to look like I should go with Kontakt. It must have been very rewarding to have been involved with such an exciting project. This is sure going to make waves amongst sample developers and will probably affect the cost of libraries in the long run. Let\'s hope that we\'ll all win! images/icons/smile.gif

Regards

Frank

[tremolo]

Ah!

it seems that my search for a good but affordable woodwinds section will end soon. I would trust Garrtan given the string samples I have. This package seems hard to believe.

I only wonder if I could use this with my existing GOSlite strings? I suppose I could load it into the kontakt that comes with the package? (I do not have kontakt already)


thanks

[crr]

Incredible!
But I have some questions, because the price is so low that it seems to me impossible. With this library will I have all the instrument you described, string, .., or will I buy only the engine to run them and I have then to buy the samples? I work on a Mac with OSX, so to use it do I need kontakt?
Thank you, it seems to be an incredible offer at an incredible low price!
Michael

[crr]

Excuse me
I was too exited and I didn\'t read too carefully the desciption in the website. I understand that it\'s a sample library so there isn\'t only the engine but also the samples but my question if kontakt is necessary or not still remain. Can you tell me if this is a special pre-order price or not? How many samples shoould be in the library?
thank you vey much
Michael

[Z6]

crrrrrrrrr:

No, you don\'t need Kontakt. GPO comes with its own engine.

As to how many samples: lots and lots and lots (in terms of filling out a whole orchestra plus other goodies). But hardly any in terms of hard disk requirements and RAM. if you want to know exactly how many samples there are well, somebody else can count them cause I can\'t be bothered. I expect it\'ll all fit on three or four CDs (then you have the reverb and the notation program and the...) - it\'s pretty small, but it sounds pretty big.

If you look through the three threads on this subject you\'ll get an idea of what\'s there.

I don\'t think this is a pre-order price. My understanding is that this is the one and only price.

[crr]

thank you to answer me, it\'s incredible! I ask about how many samples there are, but I didn\'t mean I want to know the exact number but the number of cds.
I was thinking to buy the GOS lite but this new product change all! It\'s also incredible because it has all in one product. If the price is not a special price I will wait to listen the demos and to have \"a more detailed\" description about the solo instruments, and so on.
thank you
Michael

[Jamie Haggerty]

PERSONAL ORCHESTRA
Orchestral Collection & Toolkit - Introductory Price: $249.
4-CD-ROMs PERSONAL ORCHESTRA
PRE-ORDERS NOW BEING TAKEN <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">This is from the Garritan order page. 4 CD-Roms and it does say introductory price.
J

[MusicalCharities]

4 CD roms. Full orchestral sample library. $250. Wow.


Especially when considering AO is twice as expensive and outdated. And nearly the same number of CD\'s to boot.


Way back in fall, 2002, Gary told me not to buy AO, and that I should wait--Thanks for the advise Gary! I am sure that your product is going to be well worth the wait.

[Haydn]

Hardy,

I have not been running Giga while I\'ve been beta testing this library. Giga is not installed on my main computer but on my older P3 machine. I would probably purchase Kontakt in your case as it should import pretty decently the libraries you currently own. SAM Horns already has a way to import to Kontakt. You still may want to check on your other libraries. Also, Kontakt 1.3 will be able to load the GPO library directly when it is released soon. I\'ve had excellent stability using Kontakt inside of Sonar as a VST. I\'m not having the usual crashes that I was getting with Giga. Another thing, you can get up to 256 MIDI channels in Kontakt plus more polyphony on a decently powerful machine at a fraction of the cost of Giga. I\'ve given up waiting for Giga 3 as Kontakt since the last update has been working great.

[J. Whaley]

Is there an ETA on the demos?

[dkala]

just one question:the strings are from garritan lite strings or are a whole brand new items?
I love this new philosophy : Very good library wich require low system resource images/icons/smile.gif
Best

[crr]

I\'m just waiting to listen a demo and then I\'ll place my order!
Another question: Garry say that he suggests to have one giga of RAM, but in my ibook the maximum RAM available is 640. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/icons/icon11.gif (\"http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/icons/icon11.gif\") How should it work on it?
I\'m not planning to change my laptop.
thank you
Michael

[Haydn]

crr,

You should be able to pull off a Beethoven classical orchestra (Strings, Timpani, 2 trumpets, 2 horns, 2 bassoons, 2 clarinets, 2 oboes and 2 flutes). I used up about 512 MB with this template although that was before I had 2nd violins to test with. The 2nd violins add about 80 mbs more depending on which instruments you load.

The strings are based on GOS but are programmed totally different than GOS lite. GOS lite give you other articulations such as sordino and non-vibrato.

[crr]

thank you! It\'s what I need.
Now I want a demo and then I will order it!
thank you again
Michael

[crr]

thank you! It\'s what I need.
Now I want a demo and then I will order it!
thank you again
Michael

[J. Whaley]

Originally posted by crr:
thank you! It\'s what I need.
Now I want a demo and then I will order it!
thank you again
Michael <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Crrrr is posting in doubly images/icons/grin.gif

[crr]

Excuse me I\'m too exited, the offer is really icredible!

[MusicalCharities]

I\'m pretty excitied too. I\'ve got mine preordered =)

[jkerr]

I have been at a loss as to what I should do for a full orchestra mockup....now I know. This is a no-brainer. I have used Gigastudio since it came out. However, it is always annoying to setup an orchestra with different playing styles. And while this may be a necessity to recreate an orchestra, I am hoping this library has the great programming I predict it will where all of the variations will become merged into single files with keyswitches/mod wheel switches. I\'m sold over EWQLSO just cuz of the price. I can sacrifice quality even if it is not as good, but I believe it will be real close. Kinda like what a high quality mp3 is to a wav file.........

[Spenik]

Originally posted by Z6:
I expect it\'ll all fit on three or four CDs (then you have the reverb and the notation program and the...)
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">So you mean GPO comes with reverb and a notation program...and more?

Not that the absence of the aforementioned would cause me to drool any less over this library. It quite honestly feels as though it\'s geared specifically towards me and my needs (college student with a tight budget and a passion for making music).

I can\'t wait to hear some demos!

[jkerr]

Well, now I am reading it as: it will load into our DAW via VSTi, etc. I don\'t know.....

\"I am an idiot\" ;-)

[Z6]

Originally posted by IOComposer:
I have a question that hopefully someone here can answer:
I noticed that Z6 recorded the cowbell (or maybe that was a joke?). That makes me wonder about the recordings of these samples. Are they all recorded in the same environment or are they a hodge-podge of samples recorded in different venues, as Z6 eludes to? Is there any staging built into the samples or are they mono samples meant for panning?
I wonder how well the different instruments will mix together? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hodge-podge? What\'s a hodge-podge?

They mix beautifully (even the cowbell; and don\'t worry, there are two cowbells, so you won\'t go short in the cowbell department; even if you find mine hodge-podgey). I don\'t think I alluded to anything at all. I am completely elude free on this. I recorded one of the cowbells in a different venue just 8,000 miles from the main recording venue (otherwise, I\'d have popped in). I\'m not sure if \'staging\' is the opposite of mono though. If you mean: was it recorded in a three billion dollar hall with twenty mic positions; no, it wasn\'t. If you mean, is it stereo or mono, then maybe Tom can explain the thinking behind his and Gary\'s design? It kind of goes beyond the stereo/mono debate without quite touching on the inbuilt ambience question (although you\'ll find there is inbuilt Ambience, in a manner of speaking).

Wait for the demos. If you\'re still unsure then wait until some non-beta testers have it in their hands and ask them. In the meantime, perhaps someone with more brainpower than I can help you with the\'staging\' question. I would add that an assumption that different recording venues means \'bad\' (hodge-podge) by default is still an assumption. But who knows? Perhaps you\'re on to something? Maybe you\'ve found the GPO Achilles Heel? If you have, you win a prize, but you\'ll have to box Alex for it, cause he\'s way ahead of the game in that department.

I may have superimposed the pejorative onto your remark, but I checked my antennae this morning and they were working fine. Either way, I\'m sure you\'d be happy to mix with these instruments.

Jkerr: No, it\'s not bundled with Kontakt, it\'s bundled with it\'s own custom engine; you don\'t need Kontakt to run it but if you have Kontakt, you can use that instead.

[Alexcremers]

Are they all recorded in the same environment or are they a hodge-podge of samples recorded in different venues, as Z6 eludes to? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I have to admit that it really would make mixing and life a lot easier if the GPO samples are \"staged\", stereo recorded with their original position in the orchestra instead of the potpourri (hodge-podge) that Roland is.

There, Z6, I said something kind about something we don\'t know yet. Guess that disqualifies me for winning that prize, sigh.

------------
Alex Cremers

[IOComposer]

I\'m not really interested in seeking out Achiles heals at all. Nor am I interested in criticizing this library. I was just purely curious because I recall chatting with Gary right after he released the GOS and he mentioned that they may be going back to Lincoln center to record Brass and woodwinds. I thought it would be really exciting if they were recorded in Lincoln Center as well! images/icons/smile.gif
Hodge Podge may have been the incorrect phraseology, but was certainly intended in jest and not in any kind of negative connotation. I just meant was it recorded in the same hall as the GOS or are they different sources.
I hope that I haven\'t offended you Z6, it was the farthest thing from my intent.
-Jamey

[chambermusic]

This personal orchestra library software sounds very attractive. I went through the list of instruments and was impressed.

I may have missed it, but one particular instrument sound SEEMED MISSING. Tell me if I\'m wrong....

I didn\'t see string section pizzicato as an option. (I mean, it would be nice to have violin pizzicato, viola pizzicato and cello and bass pizzicato... and even better would be to have these as well as solo violin, solo viola, solo cello pizzicato,... but then again, for the price I shouldn\'t be so greedy).

But it should at least have some sort of string pizzicato. No?

Or did I miss it?

David

[Z6]

Easy now Alex, don\'t give up yet. A lot of assumptions are being made. I don\'t own the Roland but I wouldn\'t hold any philosophical beef with it if it sounds good.

VSL is all recorded in a custom space designed specifically to allow post processing. EWQLSO is recorded in a specific space to allow custom processing. They are at opposite ends of the scale and both sound great.

GPO is recorded to sound and play as well as it\'s possible to sound in an orchestra that fits into RAM. It succeeds because it\'s beautifully recorded and programmed, not because it \'fits\' any preconceptions.

I\'ve never been into the wet versus dry, close versus far, stereo versus mono, hall versus anechoic arguments. If it sounds good, it plays well, and it\'s fun, then that\'s good enough for me.

Pretty soon, we\'ll all get a chance to simply use our ears to judge. If we lose our preconceptions, who knows what we might hear?

[chambermusic]

It should work on a laptop with 516 megs of RAM and 2.4 ghz processor? Any reason why it shouldn\'t?

And I can use Finale for inputting into GPO? No objections?

David

[Z6]

Okay IO, I guess I must be getting jumpy. I can\'t help feeling quite protective toward the library because I\'ve seen all the work and care that\'s gone into it (as do they all). Mostly though, it\'s because I really believe this library can somehow democratize this whole sample thing and allow more people to get on board. I also know it\'ll bring supreme quality into our hands at a price we can afford (yes, I sound like a car salesman when I say that). You\'ve probably seen me whining over the past couple of years about what I consider crazy prices. Usually, I was given a lecture all about all the hard work and investment that had to go into it. I know the input and output are related, but if they\'re so closely related in that way then you probably don\'t have an actual business; just a project.

I want all the developers to succeed here. Someone mentioned that a reviewer said that VSL is a huge milestone (I paraphrase); I agree. To invest such a gargantuan amount in a company with its first product takes great guts on the part of investors and exceptional creativity and hard work on the part of its creators: they deserve success.

But at heart, I\'m a consumer. I\'d buy VSL at $1,000 in a heartbeat; at $5,000 I\'ll remain forever staring in through the window. I simply cannot believe they couldn\'t sell five times more product at a fifth of the price. Even when I can afford something I don\'t always buy it if I think it\'s wildy mispriced.

If VSL is a milestone then GPO is a sea change. Not just in terms of the great quality/price ratio, but in terms of the business model. Gary Garritan is looking beyond a market that is heavily saturated. He\'s looking beyond our preconceptions and needs. He\'s driving the market toward a maturity that will benefit consumers and educators.

I\'m convinced this library \'could\' sell for a lot more. I\'m convinced that Gary knows that, but sometimes, luckily, businessmen appear that think beyond the short-term.

Sorry if I misinterpreted, \'Hodge-Podge\' doesn\'t sound neutral to me. I just wouldn\'t want my microscopic contribution to hurt GPO in any way at all (and yes, the cowbell is (also) a joke; but it was lovingly recorded with serious intent, and in Tom\'s hands it has become a useful (if almost insignificant) instrument that you might even use if you need a largish cowbell.)

[jkerr]

I am curious to as to the pizzacato. Anyone seem to know anything about it? Maybe it is included in the programming, but not as a separate \"instrument?\"

[Z6]

Originally posted by chambermusic:
This personal orchestra library software sounds very attractive. I went through the list of instruments and was impressed.

I may have missed it, but one particular instrument sound SEEMED MISSING. Tell me if I\'m wrong....

I didn\'t see string section pizzicato as an option. (I mean, it would be nice to have violin pizzicato, viola pizzicato and cello and bass pizzicato... and even better would be to have these as well as solo violin, solo viola, solo cello pizzicato,... but then again, for the price I shouldn\'t be so greedy).

But it should at least have some sort of string pizzicato. No?

Or did I miss it?

David <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Maybe it\'s not listed but there are section and solo pizzicato. Section 1st and 2nd violins, violas, cellos, DBs. Two solo violins (Stradivarious and eh, can\'t remember, I think a Gagliano but I don\'t know which one); both have pizzicato, cello and DB have pizz. (In fact, there are three solo DB Pizz).

[IOComposer]

Originally posted by Z6:
Sorry if I misinterpreted, \'Hodge-Podge\' doesn\'t sound neutral to me. I just wouldn\'t want my microscopic contribution to hurt GPO in any way at all (and yes, the cowbell is (also) a joke; but it was lovingly recorded with serious intent, and in Tom\'s hands it has become a useful (if almost insignificant) instrument that you might even use if you need a largish cowbell.) <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">LOL! no worries Z6, I guess I never really questioned the pejorative nature of the term, but believe me... I won\'t be using it again. Just for the record, like you, I hold Gary and Tom in the highest of esteem. They\'re the type of people that I aspire to be and yet I seem to befoul that effort every time I come here and post something to this bb, which is exactly why I don\'t do it very often and will likely not do it again. I am EXTREMELY excited about this product; It is exactly what I\'m looking for. I\'m not interested in the latest super-libraries because while I value the efforts and admire the immense commitment and talent required to create them, I just don\'t think that they\'re the best approach for the way that I like to work. It took the vision and creativity of Gary and Tom to question the path and turn it back around into something that makes sense for us \'little people\'. Once again, they\'ve raised the bar through sheer genius and I applaud their efforts ravenously.
Cheers!
-Jamey

[Houston Haynes]

I think that the term \"hodge podge\" refers to sampling coming from different venues for different sections - cow bells notwithstanding. Where the natural reverberant space is an integral component of the sample, that *may* be an issue (I can\'t imagine that anyone would risk this at any price point - but obviously some manufacturers didn\'t get that right in the old days - the 90\'s images/icons/rolleyes.gif ).

I think we need to take a step back from the way that other libraries were made and judge this on its own merits. Part of difficulty of shaking off the \"room is king\" concept is that we\'be bought into it wholecloth by virtue of the monster libraries that trumpet its superiority. They have every right to do that, as it is a central concept of their product.

BUT, where it\'s not a central component of the instrument\'s architecture, we need to abandon that yardstick for a scant second and consider a product on its own terms. Fair \'nuff?

It\'s like asking a farmer from the 1780\'s if he wants a truck with an internal combustion engine to haul his produce... he\'ll look at you funny for a minute and ask why you won\'t just sell him a pack of horses that can drag twice as much weight and eat 1/2 the hay...

[Haydn]

Regarding the strings question posted above.

The following articulations are included for each strings sections (1st violins, 2nd violins, violas, cellos and basses):

- Sustained+Short (Sustained patches with a variable attack built in)
- Short Bows (Autoalternating short bows)
- Pizzicato
- Tremolos
- Half Step Trills
- Whole Step Trills

These articulations give you a good start and will allow the user to pull off about 90% of the standard orchestra literature.

There are some instruments such as the pipe organ which are recorded in alternate locations as they couldn\'t figure out how to move it!

[meeehoon]

Thanks Haydn!!! Those are very nice articulations for the strings!!! images/icons/grin.gif Will enable rough sketches using GPO and later do a full-on one in GOS... Sweeettt!!! images/icons/grin.gif

By the way, I find the GPO ad\'s a little \"mis-leading\"... It says, \"One decision, One Low Price: $249\", think that should change to, \"No brainer, No brainer Price: $249\"... images/icons/tongue.gif

Aight, waiting for demoes...

Jun

[RickD]

Gary, or a beta tester...,

can you go into the details of how \"Genie Soft Overture\" is integrated with the sampler? For example will it play back all the expressions written in the notation program?

BTW, I made my pre-order, should I expect to receive an email confirmation?

Thanks,
Rick

[Steve Lum]

Oh rapture! Oh sublime! I spend! I die! Sound unheard, I preorder willingly.

The world works in strange ways. The last piece of my personal puzzle was better winds than what I have been using. I mentioned that to Gary in a phone conversation some time ago, and he said I would probably be very interested in something he was working on, but he could not discuss it at the time. And now here we are.

I have no reason to doubt, yet I hope the winds will be as good as GOS Lite in terms of \'fit\'. That is to say, it would almost be too good to be true, hence my mental wringing of hands. I can see I am adding nothing of particular value here.. just an expression of excitement. The wait begins.

Thanks to GG and the crew.

[IOComposer]

I have a question that hopefully someone here can answer:
I noticed that Z6 recorded the cowbell (or maybe that was a joke?). That makes me wonder about the recordings of these samples. Are they all recorded in the same environment or are they a hodge-podge of samples recorded in different venues, as Z6 eludes to? Is there any staging built into the samples or are they mono samples meant for panning?
I wonder how well the different instruments will mix together?

[jkerr]

\"Universal Format:
Personal Orchestra will run on Mac OS and Windows platforms, either as a standalone program or as a plug-in (supporting VST, DXi, RTAS, and OS X AudioUnits). Personal Orchestra instruments will also load into KONTAKT, Native Instruments\' flagship sampler. The entire orchestra can be loaded on a single PC or laptop and is designed to run completely in RAM.\"

This is a quote from the garritan website. From my understanding, this means it is not bundled with Kontakt. Seeing as Kontakt is $300+ anyway, now this makes since. However, it will run on its own with the included software. But to use it in a DAW it seems like you must own Kontakt. Gary can correct me if I am wrong. I apologize if I misinterpret this, but it is how I am reading it.

[jcn7]

Hi Gary, I pre ordered GPO on the 28th on your web site, but still no email confirmation....just curious if pre orders will recieve confirmation or not. Looking VERY forward to GPO, as I\'m sure everyone else is also. Thank you!

[Jeff Turner]

The GPO seems exactly what I\'ve been waiting for. I\'m just about to purchase a Digi 002 and ProTools LE. Will the GPO work with this set-up? Or would I be better off with something else?

Thanks,
Jeff Turner

[Garritan]

Originally posted by Jeff Turner:
The GPO seems exactly what I\'ve been waiting for. I\'m just about to purchase a Digi 002 and ProTools LE. Will the GPO work with this set-up? Or would I be better off with something else?<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">According to Native Instruments the newest Kontakt Player will support Digidesign/ProTools RTAS for both Mac and PC.

Gary Garritan

[Owel]

GPO looks tempting... but is there an upgrade path from GPO to the full Garritan library? (Please say YES! images/icons/grin.gif )

Or should I buy GOS Lite if I want to upgrade later to the full library?

What\'s your suggestion Gary?

Owel

[dpasdernick]

Dear Gary,

A couple of quick questions:

1) Will GPO be out before Christmas?
2) How does this sonically compare to your GOS Akai library.
3) Is there a portamento articulation for strings. (If not, is this considered for an upgrade?)
4) Are there any cymbal crescendos? (i.e. mallet rolls?)

Here comes my $250! (Spend it on some lovely gifts for your wife!!!!)

Darren

[crr]

I\'m too exited, this evening I will order mine.
Only another question that comes from what dpasdernick posted: when will it be shipped? I hope I have to wait no more than 4 weeks, isn\'t it?
thanks
Michael

[Haydn]

Darren,

To answer most of your questions:

1. Gary will have to answer this one.

2. The strings sound as good as GOS lite but you don\'t have all of the articulations (Sordino & non-vibrato). They are much easier to play though.

3. There is portamento programmed in the strings and a good majority of the other instruments.

4. There are cymbals crescendos, snare rolls, tambourine shakes, etc.

*************

I love working with the strings in this library and will probably grab them first before using GOS for the basic articulations. I have imported in a few GOS patches such as harmonics into Kontakt so I wouldn\'t have to fire up my Giga machine.

There will be add-ons to the library in the future per the Garritan website: \"Personal Orchestra will offer new feature sets and will expand as your needs grow. Add-on instruments, features and enhancements will be offered so your investment is protected as technology progresses.\"

[dnortana]

Steve Lum wrote:
\"The world works in strange ways. The last piece of my personal puzzle was better winds than what I have been using. I mentioned that to Gary in a phone conversation some time ago, and he said I would probably be very interested in something he was working on, but he could not discuss it at the time. And now here we are.

I have no reason to doubt, yet I hope the winds will be as good as GOS Lite in terms of \'fit\'. That is to say, it would almost be too good to be true, hence my mental wringing of hands. I can see I am adding nothing of particular value here.. just an expression of excitement. The wait begins.\"

Steve,

I, too, have been waiting for some decent woodwinds, and luckily my need was filled when I got to beta test GPO. I think you\'ll come to the same conclusion.

The best I had before was the Miroslav Mini. I don\'t think I\'ll every use that library again.

Trond

[esperlad]

Will any of the instruments use key-switching?

When will we hear the demos?

[Steve Lum]

Thanks, dnortana, for your reply. I\'ll stop wringing now images/icons/smile.gif Can\'t wait to get my pre-wrung fingers on it.

[Waywyn]

when it will be released with kontakt.

will there be alternative bowing samples for the strings ? i think that alt bowing is something i would never like to miss again...

hope this will be the perfect orchestra library for my small moneybag images/icons/smile.gif

[jkerr]

This may be a dumb question, but I am curious. Yes, this library will load completely into ram. My question is if it will still be able to use the dfd function as kontakt does in the kontakt player. I am just thinking from an expandibility viewpoint. I like to use my ram for effects and add orchestra to a mix. Does this make sense, or anybody know if this is possible? Maybe it won\'t be as efficient. I have never been able to load all of the samples I need in ram.

[crr]

Guys
yesterday I ordered my GPO, I couldn\'t wait!
Now I\'m waiting for the confirmation message of my order.
bye
Michael

[chambermusic]

GPO seems like a \"no-brainer\" for me to purchase. I like to write string quartets and septets for mixed instruments and it looks like these samples would work very nicely.

But before I purchase, can someone just clarify a few issues for me?

I have a new laptop with 2.4 ghz processor, 516 megs of RAM, CD burner and nice external speakers, a couple of USB ports, and several other nice features.

I use Finale 2004 on this laptop.

Questions:

If I install GPO, can I use Finale to input the music?

Can I hear the playback through my speakers (sound card)?

The features of my computer (516 megs of RAM) are sufficient?

I imagine that the answers to these three questions is \"yes.\" Please clarify if I need any additional ports, RAM or software.

Thanks,

David Young

[Adrian H]

**Ignore me - I didn\'t read the original post Properly!**

[falcon1]

chambermusic

re: finale - yes you should be able to use Finale with GPO.

re: speakers - yes, you can of course hear the sound through your speakers. It\'s just a mater of routing/configure your setup properly.

re: memory - it\'s little low. I think that 1Gb would be more satisfying.

re: additional stuff - If I understand Gary correctly, then you get the engine to run GPO when you purchase GPO. So you shouldn\'t need to buy anything else, except maybe a wave editor (like CoolEdit) to record your music to wave and mp3 files.

Looking forward to hear your music played with more quality sound than GM or soundfonts. images/icons/wink.gif

[Z6]

Originally posted by falcon1:
chambermusic

So you shouldn\'t need to buy anything else, except maybe a wave editor (like CoolEdit) to record your music to wave and mp3 files.

Looking forward to hear your music played with more quality sound than GM or soundfonts. images/icons/wink.gif <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Gary might want to correct me on this but I believe that you won\'t even need anything extra to record .wav files. This isn\'t finalized; I could be incorrect so apologies if I am.

On memory, you can just about load everything into 1GB RAM, but 512MB should be pretty useful too. You can still use direct-from-disk and stream samples. Probably best to get hold of it and experiment before rushing out to buy more memory. Streaming in Kontakt works very well. I haven\'t put a lot of strain on my laptop because I\'m not much into sequencing, but I tried around forty instruments streaming last night (5,400rpm drive) and had no problems at all. Certainly 1GB is recommended, but not an absolute necessity.

Forget GM and soundfonts, you\'ll hear the demos pretty soon. Like a lot of people, I always hanker after hearing standard repertoire pieces. Gary and the guys have put lots and lots of things together. Unlike a lot of the frustration we have have to go through before purchasing, you\'ll really know exactly what\'s there before you make a decision on this. Remember that the anouncement was made because the cat kind of got let out of the bag. The library isn\'t too far away but Tom is still locked and bound in a cellar working even more magic (I expect we\'ll have to physically restrain him, otherwise he\'ll keep coming up with more ideas).

The final product will have everything you need and more.

Apologies anyone who hasn\'t got their queries answered yet. Different incarnations and developments have included different features and I get mixed up cause I\'m a bit thick; all will become clear soon enough.

[bigbaby987]

all i can say is that i am so excited i want to scream.......... I got to go out a and get a laptop just for writing on the train to the studio and back home......this is great!!!

[chambermusic]

Well, I submitted my order and will be happily awaiting the libraries. I\'m looking forwards to joining everyone else who has had such pleasant experiences with sample library music creation.

[WayneSim]

Does anyone know a rough ETA for GPO?
Will it be released before Christmas?

Gary if you send me a copy I will email you a GREAT SOUNDING DEMO within 24hours... images/icons/wink.gif

edit: Will GPO support Giga 3.0? Or is everyone only using Kontakt now?

[JonFairhurst]

David,

Welcome to the sample library club. Glad to hear that you\'ve finally made the plunge!

[geordie]

Hi Everyone,

First time post from a newbie who is just venturing into the sampling process.

I\'ve looked at the differences between the GOS and GPO and, after consulting Gary (many thanks BTW) for his advice, I\'m leaning towards the GPO. My question though is in regards to some of the features not included with GPO.

Are features such as the Maestro Auto-Alternator available in modular form - similar to a plugin - to work with GPO or are these features inherent only in GOS? If not, will it possibly be available in future versions of GPO?

Many thanks in advance for any help anyone may be able to supply. Great forum and amazing source of information for us newbies.......Cheers!!

Steve

[Symphonic Cerebral Invasion]

Newbie here. All I can say is ...WoW! I stumbled upon the GPO and glad I did....I was about ready to sign my life away and fork out over $2000 for a different library. I\'m in Pro Tools on a Mac (and a poor musician images/icons/tongue.gif ) so this Personal Orchestra looks very good!!!

[dorme1]

I can\'t wait! does anyone have a rough idea of when they will be shipping? I\'m going to order mine on Friday.

[J. Whaley]

Does anybody know if GPO would work on an ibook 700?


Just curious.

J-

[Waywyn]

i wonder how many guys ordered the library rightaway - i dont wanna sound bad or like an ******* .

i really respect everyones work, doing sample libs, but did you already heard some first demos or stuff ??? how can you order a library and do not know how it sounds ?? or is 250 bucks like pennies for you images/icons/smile.gif )))

hope, you know how i mean this thread, i really dont wanna sound rude...

[chambermusic]

I think for me it was a number of reasons.

1) I really need sampled sounds for my chambermusic (string quartet, mixed instruments, et al) where I can get solo string pizzicato. I have very, very nice solo string arco sound fonts that came with Finale 2004, but no solo string pizzicato.

2) I really need a chance to become familiar with sample sound playback, and this offers me a chance without having to buy another new computer (which I had planned on buying, but now I can put it off), and GPO should work on my new laptop.

3) I have learned from several sources that Gary Garritan has a sterling reputation.

4) The GPO package seems to have a whole lot of instrument sounds for a very low price.

David

[J. Whaley]

I also committed to buy the new Sting album before it came out images/icons/smile.gif And I hadn\'t heard any of it! Is it because $15 means nothing to me? No, I just know I love his work and it would be $15 well spent.

To those of us who make our living doing productions etc, a $250 library is pretty low end. Certainly one that has anything to do with Orchestra. This is a forum chocked full of people arguing over which $3000+ library to buy. So when someone with Gary\'s reputation comes out and say \"I\'m offering a $250 library that\'s not quite as good as the new $3k libs, but it is worth more then the price\", We jump. We\'ve all dropped $200 on a piano library. Or drums, or this collection or that. We\'ve probably all been guilty of buying a library for just one sound, that ended up costing us $300! So based on Gary\'s reputation - which is impeccable - and our experience, we feel confident that the $250 will deliver us at least SOMETHING that\'s worth $250. Maybe it\'s just a couple wood wind patches, maybe it\'s just some perc, maybe it\'s the piano. But all the beta guys who we trust have been blown away. I guess it\'s just when someone has the reputation of Gary Garritan - you can presell without anyone ever hearing it!

I personally haven\'t ordered yet, but that\'s just because I had car troubles and I\'m broke. I will soon. And I will enjoy it I\'m sure.


But, if you want to hear the demos, I say wait. It\'s not going to hurt you to wait. I guess those who have preordered just know it\'s not going to hurt them to preorder!

J-

[dnortana]

\"we feel confident that the $250 will deliver us at least SOMETHING that\'s worth $250.\"

J-

Your confidence is well placed, and your arguments are cogent. And you are the master of understatement, without knowing it. images/icons/wink.gif

Knowing the library, I am very confident saying that \'the $250 will deliver a library that\'s worth MANY times more.\'

Trond

[J. Whaley]

Originally posted by dnortana:
\"we feel confident that the $250 will deliver us at least SOMETHING that\'s worth $250.\"

J-

Your confidence is well placed, and your arguments are cogent. And you are the master of understatement, without knowing it. images/icons/wink.gif

Knowing the library, I am very confident saying that \'the $250 will deliver a library that\'s worth MANY times more.\'

Trond <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Some have called me a prophet......... images/icons/grin.gif

[dorme1]

Originally posted by Waywyn:
i wonder how many guys ordered the library rightaway - i dont wanna sound bad or like an ******* .

i really respect everyones work, doing sample libs, but did you already heard some first demos or stuff ??? how can you order a library and do not know how it sounds ?? or is 250 bucks like pennies for you images/icons/smile.gif )))

hope, you know how i mean this thread, i really dont wanna sound rude... <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">It doesn\'t sound bad at all, it\'s just that I\'m sure with the kontakt interface and the things they\'re doing with it, I don\'t see how you can go wrong...250 isn\'t exactly pennies, but I\'ve lost more than that on a hand of blackjack before so...*shrug* I just don\'t see how you can go wrong with it. small, quality, easy to use.

[Waywyn]

to say something first images/icons/smile.gif

i never thought gary would do something \"not good\" or \"a cheapsounding library\"

i never had doubt in his work, so...but i was just asking if you think the library is also good for commercial productions or just to layout some fine tracks on a laptop and use it for home.

i will also probably buy the GPO because i dont have money for ewqlso or vienna, although i would really like to have it, to finally have a complete and very good sounding library.

i was just asking, because if i order a library with, for example, new strings in it and i dunno if there are alternative bows in it, then i am in doubt, because i think there was never a good resolution with having legato samples with just one bow direction. you always hear the little dynamic difference when a new sample starts to play and you hear that its the same sample starting again.

i will wait of course and i will not be disappointed but i am just asking myself, or you guys, if this library is good enough to go out to the world and start produce tracks for games which will be sold images/icons/smile.gif

[RickD]

Originally posted by Waywyn:
i wonder how many guys ordered the library rightaway - i dont wanna sound bad or like an ******* .

i really respect everyones work, doing sample libs, but did you already heard some first demos or stuff ??? how can you order a library and do not know how it sounds ?? or is 250 bucks like pennies for you images/icons/smile.gif )))

hope, you know how i mean this thread, i really dont wanna sound rude... <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I ordered the library because I\'m excited about the qualtiy, realism, simplicity and integration with notation. I think it\'s going to be inspiring to write with.

And yes, at $250.00 I don\'t think I can lose, especially because it\'s coming from Gary.

Rick

[Duncan Brinsmead]

Having beta tested this library, I can only see a couple of reasons why someone might not buy this library.
1. They don\'t play music.
2. They bought a pile of high end libraries and are now totally broke.

This library does not trump the current top ones, however owners of those will still find some useful sounds and techniques with PO. For a beginner on a budget this is a no-brainer purchase. There is no other comprehensive library of this quality at this price.

Also the way patches are programmed allows one to load huge numbers of instruments. Polyphony and cpu overhead are very well managed.

I\'m sure there are elements of style and sound people will quibble over, but this library if nothing else represents great value for the dollar.

[chambermusic]

They may be an element of \"Hey, if the price is very low, I\'ll get 10 times as many people purchasing the product and make even more money.\"

I\'m not sure of this, because I don\'t know exactly how big the market is.... so it may be a very small element in the low price or even no element. Or, he may be thinking, if I get people to purchase GPO for very little money, they will be able to see my quality and then purchase the more expensive items. Or maybe he is not thinking that at all.

But one wonders just what role the \"Britannica debacle\" plays in the selling of CD libraries:

I recall 6 or 7 years ago when Encyclopedia Britannica came out with CD\'s of their encyclopedia. While Encarta was $65 or less, and Comptons was $65 or less, Britannica was $900. The cost of the actual CD discs would be perhaps a dollar, so one is purchasing the information, not the actual plastic. That meant that if Brittanica sold for $200, and they sold 10 times as much, they would be making a much larger profit. Finally someone at headquarters saw the light and brought the cost down to $200.

It costs a great deal in time and salaries to produce CD libraries. The actual plastic costs almost nothing. So a product that will sell very big can be sold for less. The question is whether bringing the price down a whole lot is sufficient to triple or quadruple sales, to make up, or even more than make up.

I don\'t know if this plays a role here, but the idea crossed my mind.

David

[Garritan]

Hi All,

I know that many of you want to hear demos. We are having various demos prepared that will show the broad range of the library. I think it may be misleading to post just one or two demos. Doing so would not show the comprehensiveness and breath of what this library can do. I hope to have demos up within the next few weeks. Thanks for your patience.

Gary Garritan

[esperlad]

Does anyone know how many dynamic layers were created? Are the instruments chromatic?

[crr]

thank you Garry, but when do you think you will ship it? Can you give me only an idea? Two-four weeks?
thanks
Michael

[Lux]

Hi Gary,
Are in there any brass articulations as crescendo, swells...?

Luca

[RyanFormato]

Hey, let me ask you a few questions. I am very new to sampling and this will be my first purchase of sampled sounds.

Right now I have a jv 1080. Can you compare the sounds to something of that nature? Are the GPO sounds superior to the jv 1080?

Also I am interested in the SDSoundware ultimate orchestral percussion. I like percussion very much so I need really good percussion. Can the GPO do it? Does it have lots of snare rolls and does it have the \"high school band\" type of sound?

Since I essentially have nothing right now, what would you suggest for a beginner like me? Should I buy both the SDSoundware and the GPO, or will the GPO cut it? Thanks for the help.

[Houston Haynes]

Start with GPO, and go from there. The idea of a well-contained, relatively complete set is the starting point for GPO.

High school band sound? You mean playing out of tune with bad timing? Can\'t you find plenty of real players to do that for you?

[dnortana]

Hi Ryan,

I have a JV-1080, and I also have the orchestral card in it - GPO leaves it in the dust.

Trond

[esperlad]

Are the patches chromatically sampled for GPO? If so, were they used.

I have the Roland model that was mentioned. Just about anything is better than those sounds. Advanced Orchestra was better than that.

[RyanFormato]

I\'m definitely going to get GPO, i just want to hear a demo first. I want the opinions of some of you guys. Do you know any other samples that may compliment GPO? I\'m new to this, and I\'m looking at sites like www.audiomidi.com, (\"http://www.audiomidi.com,\") www.houseofsamples.com (\"http://www.houseofsamples.com\") and tons of others including the production sites themselves and there are SO MANY different samples and I don\'t know which ones to get. I am only 19 so I don\'t have the money to be buying Vienna although it would be nice but I need lower priced sounds that can accomplish my goals (writing percussion ensembles/High school band music)

[dnortana]

Ryan,

If you can wait, get GPO, use it for a while, and then come your conclusions about what additional instruments you feel you\'ll need. There are a surprising number of free samples (e.g. the first-rate G-Town collection ...) available on the internet, some of them first rate and eminently usable, you could start collecting those now already. Search this forum, and maybe use Google, and you\'ll turn up a ton of stuff.

Hope this helps,
Trond

[Eric G]

Cheap shot, regarding \"high school band sound\", Houston! I resemble that remark. images/icons/smile.gif

Kidding aside, I could point you to some high school bands & recordings (even besides my own!) that are pretty darn tight and in tune. They\'re not the Chicago Symphony\'s wind section, but they ain\'t from \"The Music Man\" either. Perspective, perspective.

Eric Griffin
(high school band director!)

[RyanFormato]

I mean composing that type of music for a high school band.

[Terry]

Ryan,

If you are interested in percussion ensembles, you should check out www.dssoundware.com (\"http://www.dssoundware.com\")

They have great examples of percussion ensembles using their samples.

Terry

[RyanFormato]

Yeah, the ultimate orchestral percussion section looks sweet and its pretty inexpensive. The Timpani library looks great too.

I don\'t know how much \'better\' it will be than the GPO but I\'m assuming it will be since the whole thing is dedicated to just percussion.

Let me ask you guys something. I need the brass instruments/orchestra instruments so I have to buy GPO (money is an issue) I will have some extra though and not sure where to put investment.

1. DSSoundware - Orchestral Percussion ($219.00) at audiomidi.com

2. VSL - First Edition - Percussion ($459.99)

3. VSL - Pro Edition - Percussion (755.25)

My main thing is this, what is GPO lacking in that I may need to make up for in? (considering the price, I\'m guessing it is a little weak somewhere) and what should I get to compensate. Throw any combinations you want at me such as \"DSSoundware and Sam horns\" or whatever. Thanks.

Sidenote - I should be getting Sonar 3 anyday in the mail now images/icons/grin.gif

[Plundrik]

I guess we won\'t know if it is lacking in any way before it is finished.. It seems like a very promising product and should cover a lot of ground. The price probably puts it in a position as the best value orchestral product out there.

GPO will also compete directly with some of Garritans own libraries. I don\'t think many will consider GOS lite or GigaHarp once GPO comes out..

I\'m also waiting for a demo before I place my order! images/icons/grin.gif

[Houston Haynes]

Originally posted by Eric G:
Cheap shot, regarding \"high school band sound\", Houston! I resemble that remark. images/icons/smile.gif

Kidding aside, I could point you to some high school bands & recordings (even besides my own!) that are pretty darn tight and in tune. They\'re not the Chicago Symphony\'s wind section, but they ain\'t from \"The Music Man\" either. Perspective, perspective.

Eric Griffin
(high school band director!) <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">No worries - I was in a small school playing Grade 6 level material since 8th grade (they needed low brass player rather badly). images/icons/wink.gif So, I\'m fully up-to-speed on the power of a good high school ensemble. I remember a dress rehearsal playing Alfred Reed\'s \"Russian Christmas Music\" that quite literally left the entire ensemble in tears - when we got it right, we finally \"got it\". It was then that I decided to make music my life - a very, very clear memory.

I don\'t play any more (had a fully compensated Willson Euphonium and a Bach 42B trombone), as I sold my instruments and bought synthesizers my sophomore year in college. You can stop your \"sophomoric\" reference to that decision, as I\'ve already considered it. images/icons/grin.gif

The public radio station here in L.A. played a lot of band stuff the other day (Eastmand Wind Ensemble) and that took me back to Reed. I might do that as a test project, as I just got a surround monitoring system and would love to lay out the antinphonal brass section. Food for thought.. [Houston rubs his chin thoughtfully]

[Hardy Heern]

When it comes to school assemblies our school orchestra did us proud, but unfortunately not in tune. The sounds they made are engraved, indelibly, in my mind. Fortunately the Portsmouth Symphony Sinfonia (here in the good ole UK) repeated these performances with some panache, it must be said, and I think that they may even have produced recordings which were completed for comedic purposes should you be so interested. If you doubted that amateurism could be raised to the level of an art form then this is the proof.

[Andy Meya]

Greetings,

after reading all the posts here I am still not sure about the status of the Kontakt Player that comes with GOP. Will this version of Kontakt only load GOP files? Or will it load other files as well, e.g. be able to import my GOS .gig files?
I am asking because I\'m thinking about buying Kontakt.
Another thing is.. I was wondering if the woodwinds or any other instruments that will come with GOP will have the great .exp feature, e.g. seamless transition from pp to ff?
This is my absolute favourite feature for expressive articulation in GOS.

Thanks for any answers

[Hardy Heern]

Lee Blaskes....\"at that price, this is going to be HUGE
\"

I disagree....it\'s going to be bigger than that. It\'s going to be bigger than the last REALLY big thing. (respect to Ben Elton)

The most exciting thing that\'s been around on this site since GS3 speculation.

It\'s going to put the proverbial cat amongst the proverbial pigeons.

Frank

[esperlad]

Have any of the beta-testers used this with the regular version of Kontakt?

[Haydn]

The GPO (not GOP) Kontakt player will only play the GPO files. You will still need to buy Kontakt if you want to load other libraries.

I have been testing the library in Kontakt and it works awesome. I can actually do a full symphony orchestra in real-time on one computer (P4 2.4 GHz with 1 GB of RAM). Kontakts extra programming features have make Tom Hopkins able to program many things that are impossible in Giga. The strings are just a dream to work with.

[esperlad]

Haydn,

Thank you for the clarification. I have the standard version of Kontakt. I was curious how this library would work.

[dorme1]

just ordered mine, hopefully it gets released soon! images/icons/grin.gif

[Boneweasel]

I\'ve read that 1GB of ram is reccomended for GPO, but what are the minumum system requirements?

I am using a 400MHZ Macintosh with 348megs of ram running OS 9.2. I\'m also running Digital Performer 3 and Finale 2003.

I generally record and play one instrument line at a time into performer, then go back and mix it down instead of doing it all at once. I am hoping that I can get by with 348megs with GPO since I probably won\'t play all the instruments at once.

It sounds like GPO is exactly what I have been looking for.

[dnortana]

Gary,

Doing just an instrument or two at a time should work with your memory configuration. Also, GPO\'s player will support streaming from disk, it isn\'t necessary to load to RAM only.

I think you\'ll want to get VST wrapper for use with DP3 in OS9, if you don\'t already have it. If you\'re on OSX with DP4, then you\'ll be able to use the GPO player as an AU compatible player.

I use DP on a Dual Gig G4, and will be trying out both approaches in DP3 and DP4 as soon as I get the latest \'player\' version of GPO. So far I\'ve been using the beta library within Kontakt.

Trond

[Veron]

Originally posted by dnortana:
Gary,

Doing just an instrument or two at a time should work with your memory configuration. Also, GPO\'s player will support streaming from disk, it isn\'t necessary to load to RAM only.

I think you\'ll want to get VST wrapper for use with DP3 in OS9, if you don\'t already have it. If you\'re on OSX with DP4, then you\'ll be able to use the GPO player as an AU compatible player.

I use DP on a Dual Gig G4, and will be trying out both approaches in DP3 and DP4 as soon as I get the latest \'player\' version of GPO. So far I\'ve been using the beta library within Kontakt.

Trond <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">If its ok to tell , could you tell me
does the beta version work in
OS9+ DP3.11+ VST wrapper well ?
Or are there few bugs or something .


Thanks .


Veron

[Frederick]

Originally posted by Boneweasel:
I\'ve read that 1GB of ram is reccomended for GPO, but what are the minumum system requirements?

I am using a 400MHZ Macintosh with 348megs of ram running OS 9.2. I\'m also running Digital Performer 3 and Finale 2003.

I generally record and play one instrument line at a time into performer, then go back and mix it down instead of doing it all at once. I am hoping that I can get by with 348megs with GPO since I probably won\'t play all the instruments at once.

It sounds like GPO is exactly what I have been looking for. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">and


Originally posted by Veron:
If its ok to tell , could you tell me
does the beta version work in
OS9+ DP3.11+ VST wrapper well ?
Or are there few bugs or something .
Veron <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">As per Gary Garritan, wait.

Kontakt 1.5 (*version number edit based on Trond\'s post, see below) is what will be used for GPO - for Mac users that means that Audio Units will be utilized within the OS X and DP 4.1 environments. Yeah I know - I use OS 9.2.2 on a G4/Dual 533 with DP3.1 with VST wrapper and Kontakt 1.2 as the audio outs. I was bummed out for weeks when I got the news, but based on the new information I\'m in the process of upgrading to OS X Panther and DP4.

(DP4 upgrade is $149 from Motu, and the PC-424 card upgrade is $295 for registered users.)

Look at the bright side: once the conversion is done, your system is set up for some of the larger libs, such as upcoming Kontakt 1.5 based GOS.

[dnortana]

Hi Veron,

I would gladly tell you if I knew the answer. I have been using Kontakt 1.2.1 to test the GPO beta, and I do not yet have the Kontakt player that will accompany the commercial GPO release. I should get that next week, I\'m told. I intend to try it out in OS9 within DP using VST wrapper.

Frederick,

The engine in the GPO Kontakt Player is the same as Kontakt 1.5. ( I guess they changed the release number since you talked to Gary). But the new player will support VST format (although it will no longer support MAS). What I do not yet know is if the VST format only works in OSX, or if it will also work in OS9. As I mentioned above, I intend to try it both ways.

Further, I might mention for the Mac users who also run a PC in their studio that GPO works beautifully within a VST or DX host on the PC. I run Kontakt within VSTack on a PC, sequencing from DP on my Mac, much like I run Gigastudio. With this approach, there is no confusion related to Mac OS format support.

Trond

[Frederick]

Hey Trond,

Thanks for the version correction. And regarding your experiment with OS 9/ Kontakt 1.5/ VST, let us know how that goes.

[Haydn]

Esperlad,

You will need to update to Kontakt 1.5 to load the GPO files into Kontakt as they use the monolithic file format that Kompakt uses. Only Kontakt 1.5 will be able to read these files. The 1.5 update should be released within the next couple weeks and will cost $29.

[Boneweasel]

Thanks for the help guys!!

I actually already have a copy of OSX (jaguar) and I had planned on upgrading to DP4 as well. But since money is tight, I was hoping I could get GPO first and get right to using it and hold off a few more months to get DP4.

[Veron]

Originally posted by Frederick:

Kontakt 1.5 (*version number edit based on Trond\'s post, see below) is what will be used for GPO - for Mac users that means that Audio Units will be utilized within the OS X and DP 4.1 environments. Yeah I know - I use OS 9.2.2 on a G4/Dual 533 with DP3.1 with VST wrapper and Kontakt 1.2 as the audio outs. I was bummed out for weeks when I got the news, but based on the new information I\'m in the process of upgrading to OS X Panther and DP4.

(DP4 upgrade is $149 from Motu, and the PC-424 card upgrade is $295 for registered users.)

Look at the bright side: once the conversion is done, your system is set up for some of the larger libs, such as upcoming Kontakt 1.5 based GOS. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I may upgrade to OSX in the future , but not for now .
For ME there`s much more negative points to
switch to OSX right now .
But thanks for your advice images/icons/smile.gif

Veron

[Veron]

Originally posted by dnortana:
Hi Veron,

I would gladly tell you if I knew the answer. I have been using Kontakt 1.2.1 to test the GPO beta, and I do not yet have the Kontakt player that will accompany the commercial GPO release. I should get that next week, I\'m told. I intend to try it out in OS9 within DP using VST wrapper.

Trond <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Thanks , I really appreciate it images/icons/smile.gif
I`ll be looking foward to the test results .
BTW , does the Kompakt or Kontakt that comes with GPO ,
( the software that comes with GPO ) work in OS9 ?
And if it does , have you already
tested it with VSTwrapper + DP3.11 ?
If it isn`t compatible with OS9 , never mind .

Veron

[Miguelo Adorno]

Have any of you beta-testers tested GPO (and the particular Kontakt version) with Pro Tools LE in Windows XP? Was it Garritan himself who told earlier in this thread that the RTAS support in Windows is the only platform \"thing\" not tested yet?

[Tarkio Road]

In order to fit so much into RAM, I am assuming the GPO samples are fairly aggressively looped? How long is the average sample before the loop kicks in?

[E minor]

Where are the demos?

Is there a money back guarantee for those who were quick on the trigger?

images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[dorme1]

man, I\'m going to need a few days to play around and I have only 1 vacation day left until the end of the year...do I take it on halloween and pass out candy? or do I tough it out and lock myself in the basement for 3 days when GPO finally arrives?

[crr]

in the preoder form it\'s written

\"
2. You may cancel your order at anytime before the library ships
3. Since the product is encrypted with a unique serial number for each buyer, we cannot issue refunds once the library is shipped. Please make sure before ordering this item that it meets your needs.
\"
So if you want you can cancel your order without paying anything
Michael

[MusicalCharities]

I\'d personally opt for locking myself in with GPO for 3 days.

[Tarkio Road]

Okay, my budget has been expended. Been waiting for just a simple MP3 demo of GPO and in that time I have bought SAM Trumpets (to go along with SAM Horns/Trombones) and Kirk Hunter solo strings. Too many projects going on to wait. I know the demos will be great, but I must move on.

[Veron]

I`m waiting for the demo`s too .
BTW , I pre-ordered SAM Trumpets too images/icons/smile.gif
I still have my money left for GPO and
am waiting for the Demo`s .

[WayneSim]

Originally posted by Tarkio Road:
Okay, my budget has been expended. Been waiting for just a simple MP3 demo of GPO and in that time I have bought SAM Trumpets<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I did exactly the same thing. GPO was meant to stop me buying more libraries. Now it seems i\'ll be going back to my orignal plan. Looks like LOP is next on the list. Not really sure what to do now. Wait on GPO demo\'s or shop else where? Maybe i\'ll just put off GPO for at least a few months. ummmm... We really need people to compare GPO to other libraries like, LOP and Westgate Woodwinds, etc.

[Garritan]

Originally posted by WayneSim:
GPO was meant to stop me buying more libraries. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Actually GPO was meant to open the doors of orchestral sampling to many people. When more people enter the world of orchestral sampling it will be natural for them to expand their palette and buy other libraries.

Percussion is only one aspect of GPO - as there are strings, brass, woodwinds, piano, pipe organ, etc.

If you really need a percussion library right away, and only a percussion library, there are several good percussion libraries on the market for you to choose from.

Gary Garritan

[chambermusic]

Beautiful concept.

I think that is just what GPO is, opening the world of sample libraries to those who have not entered that world.... and that describes me, and it is the reason for me to purchase GPO. There is a lot offered in this package at a very low price. Just the thing to do.

From there I will eventually purchase a more robust sample player engine (Gigastudio 3.0??) and additional libraries..... and considering that I find GPO very fulfilling, I would certain look at Mr. Garritan\'s other products as upgrades.

David Young

(PS, never did get an email confirmation of my order 3 weeks ago, but I presume it is in place.)

[Garritan]

Originally posted by chambermusic:
(PS, never did get an email confirmation of my order 3 weeks ago, but I presume it is in place.) <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">David,
You are confirmed! I\'ll also send you an email to confirm.
Gary

[Tarkio Road]

Stupid question. Can GPO/Kontact coexist with Halion in Cubase SX on a Mac?

[Boneweasel]

Can anyone give me an idea of when GPO will begin shipping? I originally heard that it would ship at the end of October.

[Houston Haynes]

End of November I was told...

[Jake Johnson]

Will a jpg of the interface be available soon?

[dnortana]

Originally posted by Tarkio Road:
Stupid question. Can GPO/Kontact coexist with Halion in Cubase SX on a Mac? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">The Mac OS X version can be used standalone or as a plug-in and will support Core Audio™, Core MIDI™, Audio Units™, VST® 2.0 and RTAS formats.

If you are able to use other VST or AU plugins with Cubase SX concurrently with Halion, I can see no reason why you wouldn\'t be able to use GPO\'s Kontakt player as well.

Trond

[nexus]

I must say a big \"Thank you\" to Gary Garritan for producing what so many people have been hoping for, for so long. Based on his previous offerings, I KNOW this one will not dissapoint! As I have predicted, the only way orchestral samplers will achieve the results long dreamed of is when they abandon hardware. And \'ROMplers like the EMU Virtuoso 2000 were just way short of the mark with only 64megs for an entire orchestra. No wonder no one bought them! (what were they thinking?) After reading the posts here I can see this product is going to be a huge sucess, though as far as it being as one person said a \"DX7\" type of sucess, that just can\'t happen with an orchestral product. While interest in orchestral music remains high, it will never compete with pop music genres. Having said that, I personally have needed just such a solution as GPO. I believe the pricing of this package to be as big a breakthrough as one of sound quality. I also wouldn\'t wait for TASCAM to upgrade GIGA anytime soon. From what I understand, it just will never be able to \'plug in\' like Kontakt (even if they manage to do it somehow, it then will be not much different than many other samplers currently on the market). That is why I have upgraded to Kontakt instead of GIGA 160. The GIGA was a great interim technology that showed that computer software samplers were the way to go. It also STILL posesses a sound quality that I have not heard even with Kontakt. In the begining of GIGA the libraries were very reasonably priced, but as soon as people like Hans Zimmer got into the act, prices for these type of libraries have soared WAY out of line! GIGA is perceived as some kind of \'high end\' instrument. Gary is showing us that GIGA is dead, and hopefully the ridiculous stratospheric prices! I believe though that the first off the mark was Roland with their Edirol HQ Orchestra. I have used this for a few months now and have been very impressed. Though it lacks the scope of the GPO, it does make a good addition to GPO as it has very nice brass ensembles, to tide us over until GPO has them available as add-ons. I have only used my GIGA for the SAM brass and a few other things like solo piano. I am so glad I will not be forced to save and wait for libraries for my GIGA. Even though there are not so many articulations with GOP, I have knowen for some time that they are really not needed if the core samples are good. One can program comvincing articulations etc with samplers like Kontakt. Even the Edirol I mentioned is very good this way. I particularily like the way it uses controller 11 to work as a kind of reverse expression for convincing brass diminuendos etc.
I do have one concern about the GPO woodwinds; I wonder how sucessful Gary was at layering solo samples to build up a section. This always seems to work in theory, but when you actually go to layering, it never seems to sound convincing, like the bassoon trio in the Vitous library. I have multiple solo bassoon samples available, but they just can\'t approach the realism of the Vitous bassoon trio. I hope Gary quickly offers upgrades to the GPO to include brass and woodwind ensembles. While I\'m at it, how about some unusual instruments like bass oboe and contrabass trombone. I\'m sure many people would like Wagner tubas and bass trumpet as well!

[bosone]

Gary, you will have my money...
i\'m about to sell an EMU ultra proteus (which i bought for the proteus2 samples) and with the money i\'ll earn from that i will buy your library for sure... well, i\'m wainting to get sonar 2 from USA, but it should be a matter of days!
anyway, i\'m interested in the following:

-what are the \"Modulation\" possibilities of the synth engine? will i be able to modulate attack, release, filter, samples start position with some controller (in realtime) or with velocity/aftertouch?
-is there, actually, some filters?
-i don\'t know kontakt, but are the samples of the single instruments accessible with a wave editor? (for example, i like to use the percussion as wave files, not as midi sequence)
-i think i read that there is a stream from disk option, is it true?
- in sonar (or other host), if i load one instance of GPO, how many separate channels will i be able to use? i hope that i don\'t have to load as many GPO as the number of instrumens i need!! i\'m sure one instance of GPO will support 16 separate channels!

i look forward to have some more informations directly on your site, maybe some detailed picture of the interface and the possibility to download a demo version!

PS: filnally, you open the door of virtual orchestra also to amateur musican like me, which do not earn money from music and so have a very small budget!! :-)
thanks!

[Houston Haynes]

Originally posted by nexus:
From what I understand, it just will never be able to \'plug in\' like Kontakt (even if they manage to do it somehow, it then will be not much different than many other samplers currently on the market). That is why I have upgraded to Kontakt instead of GIGA 160. The GIGA was a great interim technology that showed that computer software samplers were the way to go. It also STILL posesses a sound quality that I have not heard even with Kontakt. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Try HALion 2.


I hope Gary quickly offers upgrades to the GPO to include brass and woodwind ensembles.<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I\'m not sure what you mean here. This is a full orchestra. You can build up individual instruments to satisfy various ensemble forms, as all brass and woodwind instruments are sampled individually. Someone can correct me if I\'m wrong.


While I\'m at it, how about some unusual instruments like bass oboe and contrabass trombone. I\'m sure many people would like Wagner tubas and bass trumpet as well! <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I would like to see some of those instruments, too, but be realistic about the possibility of those instruments coming in a $249 package. Gary did mention that there were going to be upgrades available, so perhaps these specialized instruments will make it to the to-do list.

Oh, and for multiple bassons working well together, listen to the Magic Flute again...

[JudasCloud]

Originally posted by nexus:
I must say a big \"Thank you\" to Gary Garritan for producing what so many people have been hoping for, for so long. Based on his previous offerings, I KNOW this one will not dissapoint! As I have predicted, the only way orchestral samplers will achieve the results long dreamed of is when they abandon hardware. And \'ROMplers like the EMU Virtuoso 2000 were just way short of the mark with only 64megs for an entire orchestra. No wonder no one bought them! (what were they thinking?) After reading the posts here I can see this product is going to be a huge sucess, though as far as it being as one person said a \"DX7\" type of sucess, that just can\'t happen with an orchestral product. While interest in orchestral music remains high, it will never compete with pop music genres. Having said that, I personally have needed just such a solution as GPO. I believe the pricing of this package to be as big a breakthrough as one of sound quality. I also wouldn\'t wait for TASCAM to upgrade GIGA anytime soon. From what I understand, it just will never be able to \'plug in\' like Kontakt (even if they manage to do it somehow, it then will be not much different than many other samplers currently on the market). That is why I have upgraded to Kontakt instead of GIGA 160. The GIGA was a great interim technology that showed that computer software samplers were the way to go. It also STILL posesses a sound quality that I have not heard even with Kontakt. In the begining of GIGA the libraries were very reasonably priced, but as soon as people like Hans Zimmer got into the act, prices for these type of libraries have soared WAY out of line! GIGA is perceived as some kind of \'high end\' instrument. Gary is showing us that GIGA is dead, and hopefully the ridiculous stratospheric prices! I believe though that the first off the mark was Roland with their Edirol HQ Orchestra. I have used this for a few months now and have been very impressed. Though it lacks the scope of the GPO, it does make a good addition to GPO as it has very nice brass ensembles, to tide us over until GPO has them available as add-ons. I have only used my GIGA for the SAM brass and a few other things like solo piano. I am so glad I will not be forced to save and wait for libraries for my GIGA. Even though there are not so many articulations with GOP, I have knowen for some time that they are really not needed if the core samples are good. One can program comvincing articulations etc with samplers like Kontakt. Even the Edirol I mentioned is very good this way. I particularily like the way it uses controller 11 to work as a kind of reverse expression for convincing brass diminuendos etc.
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[nexus]

After reading some replys, I should clarify myself. I realize that GPO has layered ensembles. What I was addressing was an aspect of using multiple solo instruments to create a section. Now c\'mon people, I KNOW that\'s what happens in \'reality\', but this isn\'t reality, it\'s a \'v i r t u a l\' orchestra! I remember some sessions I worked on in the late seventies in which we had a horn player overdub himself to sound like a section. We also did it with two violinists overdubbing about ten times in the same session. Now it was a jazz pop session, but the guy had these orchestral arrangements. The end result sounded good, just not like a live orchestra. Years later, I tried this with my sampler and a horn player I knew then. We layered, but there was just not the effect of good players tuning to each other that you get when you use great ensemble samples like SAM horns.
I KNOW this is only a $249.00 product, and I\'m NOT complaining, but the add mentions upgrades and I was wishing. As for unusual instruments, have any of you attended a major filmscoring session? Believe me, there IS a call for Wagner Tubas, bass oboes, and the like. Since many people buying this product have film scoring ambitions, it\'s make sense.
If this \'paragraph\' is too \'big\' I apologize. I know I don\'t really rate the \'column space\' Jerry Gerber does!

[Hardy Heern]

Et tu Judas? Size isn\'t everything! Trust me; I\'m a doctor images/icons/smile.gif

[Jeff Turner]

Happy Anniversary Gary!

It was 1 year (+ 2 days) ago that Gary announced GPO and changed the world of sample libraries forever. You put these fabulous tools in the hands of all these wonderful users and formed a great community at the same time. Thanks for your vision and great product support. Here's to the future and all of the surprises you have in store for us.

Jeff

[Styxx]

There there! Oooo I mean ... Here Here! I'll play to that! ;)

[Karl Garrett]

It seems like just yesterday, the year has gone by so fast. Yet on the other hand, because GPO is so intuitive, it feels like I’ve been using it for years.

Thanks Gary, Marianne, Tom, Jeff and anyone else who had anything to do with this great product.

Karl

[bmonroney]

I spent the afternoon yesterday with a good friend who is a successful TV, film and commercial composer here in LA. I've been telling him about GPO for awhile. He finally got it last week and installed it on his Giga PC (he composes on DP3 on a Mac). He said has been very excited and inspired by the sounds, that they helped him to rip through a disc of library music that he'd been avoiding. He hasn't switched his PC back to giga once since GPO was installed (I told him he just needs to buy another PC for GPO, or finally get a fast mac and make the move to OSX/DP4).

[Shazbot]

Wow... I saw the thread subject - Coming soon... Garritan Personal Orchestra

...and I thought I got sucked into a time warp or something. I know I'm three hours earlier out here in the west now, but not a whole year earlier! :p

[Hardy Heern]

Good to read this thread again....it was, indeed, a very exciting time! Won't it be great if the MKII does it again!

Frank