Cubase 5 & Gigastudio: Can anyone run them together? And how?

[rguerin]

Hi everyone,

I\'ve gone back to read previous posts and found no one able to run Cubase & GigaStudio together, or rather, I did not find anything in this regard that would allow me to get them running.

I have installed the GSFix.exe patch, the HUBI Midi port 2.5, I\'ve called Cubase Tech support, I downloaded the latest drivers for my sound card (the M-Audio Delta 1010 with GigaSampler drivers and ASIO2 drivers), I\'ve checked the FAQ and Troubleshooting questions on Nemesys\'s site. Nothing. I always get the same error message: Wave device being used by other application (even when GigaStudio is not running).

I tried launching Cubase from GigS, doesn\'t work. Cakewalk, on the other hand, works fine.

The only way I can get Cubase to work on my machine (P3, 800Mhz, 256Mb RAM) when GigS is installed is by modifying my settings in MSCONFIG>System.ini>386Enh>disable the line activating the device called VRTKRNLD.VXD.

Is there, or isn\'t there a solution to getting Cubase and Gigastudio 2 working together?

Thank you all for the help!

[algae]

I hate to say it, but it does work using a basic SBLive Value card. I realize this doesn\'t help, and that your card is superior.
Just letting u know that it is possible to run GS and Cubase together.

[Giorgio Tommasini]

It works with the following settings:
Gigastudio 2.01.36, Cubase VST 32 5.0, Mixtreme 1.3.1, SBlive.
Giga output : Mixtreme 3-4 -> 13-14
Cubase output: Mixtreme 1-2
SBlive input --> mixtreme 15-16 (for reverb only)
Start Cubase first, then Gigastudio


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[liptrill]

Having the same problem and I have a Delta10/10 as well. The first thing you should know is that Delta has not released their multiclient drivers for the 10/10. Very upsetting indeed! I have already written them a nasty letter but only received an automatic response saying they will be available in March. Don\'t count on it as the driver has already been late by 3 months!! I bought my Delta in November. Anyway, what you can do is this : Start Cubase first. Then load giga. Make sure you enable all output ports on cubase except one and two. Then in giga, enable outputs 1,2 only for giga. You should then be able to record midi via the giga. Audio, however, is another issue with me! I recorded saxophone with my giga tracks. But I can\'t seem to record another track of saxophone and hear the first track at the same time! :{ I think this is the problem with not using the multiclient drivers as you have to monitor through the Delta control panel instead of the sequencing software. And when you monitor through the sequencer using the Multimedia drivers, you get extremely high latency. (poor mans reverb!)

hope this helped a little.

ron

[seclusion]

Hey guys..
I\'m sorta relating here..
Logic,motu 2408, and giga 96..
What I needed to do was reformat my C:/ drive..
Clean everything up and re install..
Then load giga first and enable the outputs for it first..
Then load your Cubase stuff..
Cubase should not see those outputs used in giga.. Conflict big time..
Also make sure bit/sample rates are the same..
But if the card isn\'t mulity client that really sucks..
I have not got this system to run together...Just reliably one or the other
If you are/wanting to do alot of giga and disk recording you should go with 2 systems... It sucks, It pisses us off, but guess what it does sound awesome..

[Boydbob]

I managed to get Cubase amd Giga working together on my LynxOne card, which is not multiclient. This should not have worked, but it did. I don\'t know if it will work with other cards, but it would be worth a try.

First you have to temporarily assign Giga to anything besides the main card (the modem wave device even, or a second cheapo card.)

If you can\'t do that try diabling Giga (ALT Control Delete - end task for MSG32)

Start Cubase and set it up for your sound card in Audio properties.

Exit Cubase and restart the computer (if you disabled Giga).

Start Giga and set it up for your main audio card

Exit to save settings

Restart Giga and start Cubase from within Giga.

NOTE - during this process, on one of the steps you will probably get the Blue Screen Crash ( I did, every time, but it still worked.)
Turn it off and restart if necessary.

Boyd

[rguerin]

Hi Again,

As I can see, I am not the only one having this problem. Makes me feel better. But I notice one common element:

You\'re basically left to find THE solution that works for YOUR setup, otherwise it won\'t work.
I\'ve tried solutions mentioned above, but with no luck. As soon as Cubase detects that GigS is on the machine, it won\'t let me use the ASIO drivers for my soundcard. I can\'t activate specific inputs/outputs in Cubase before lauching it. So if I deactive Gig before, set Cubase, reboot, reactive Gig, reboot, Cubase won\'t work anyway. If I load Gig, configure it, launch Cubase within Gig, won\'t work either. I\'ve also set my card to have independent inputs, but it doesn\'t make any difference.

Please let me know if you find anything better to work with.

Thanks for your help and comments.

[PaPa Chalk]

This problem is sound card related. I get the same results with the delta 66. M audio is working on the multicleint drivers they should be out soon.
In the delta manual it says that you should be able to get multiclient capablities with the delta products 44/66/1010 if you set Multi track driver devices to \'independant\' under the hardware settings in the M audio control panel.
I havn\'t had any luck.
PaPa Chalk


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PaPa Chalk
Northern Sound Source
http://www.northernsounds.com
papa@northernsounds.com

[algae]

So let me get this straight. These much more expensive sound cards advertise that they are multiclient, yet at present they are not.
If I were any of you, I\'d be po. I\'ll wait to see how this sorts out b4 switching from my SBLive \"el cheapo\" card. At least it performs as advertised.

[rguerin]

It just doesn\'t make any sense to me.

You pay over 1000$ for both software. You figure, OK, I\'m a professional and this is what I need, so you don\'t mind, otherwise, you just get the latest shareware or Cakewalk metro if you don\'t need the features. So obviously, if you make a living out of producing, recording and mixing music, you don\'t go out and buy a 150$ sound card? So how come this industry is so fast to put out software that is ill prepared for the hardware and vice versa? This is like saying: OK, I\'m Ford, and I\'ll buy the motor from Matsuchita and the frame from Mitsubichi and I\'ll build the suspension, and lets hope everything works well together.

It\'s not suppose to be this way. This stuff should work with professional and semi-pro material. That\'s who it is ment to cater to.

Am I the only one frustrated with this? It seems I spend more time finding information about software/hardware workarounds, fixes and bug reports than I do writing music...

[The Bob Campbell]

rguerin, make yourself heard, send an email to midiman and ask them for multiclient asio drivers. I asked them about 10 months ago, with no success, but i believe a lot more people are demanding them now, and truly, they shouldn\'t be advertising the card as multiclient when what they really mean is \"multi-client ONLY in mme\"

Supposedly they are working on them, so I guess it\'s just waiting time for now.

I know what you mean though, about feeling you spend more time messing about with workarounds than doing music.

I\'m lucky in that I have the aark card which allows me to record giga into logic, i know I am in the minority, but as I said, it\'s only a software thing thats stopping the delta card from doing the same, and the only people to blame are midiman if they don\'t fix this.

Certainly if you consider the rumour that the Delta is now the biggest selling audio card, they do kind of have a duty to be knocking out the best drivers, and ones that cater for everyone\'s uses.


bob

[PaPa Chalk]

Hey guess what i just downloaded the new drivers for the delta series from M audio. I currently have the delta 66.
Multiclient seems to work now. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif If you have a delta product download the updated driver from here. http://www.midiman.com/m-audio/drivers.htm (\"http://www.midiman.com/m-audio/drivers.htm\")

I have cubase working with asio on channel 1+2 and Gigastudio on 3+4.

If you have a delta series let us know if it works for you.

http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
PaPa Chalk

[retrobeats]

quick question - -

would m-audios new audiophile 2496 work in this set-up:
Audiophile outs 1 & 2 to sb in\'s line input.
or would there be a problem?

I think I\'m going to get the mixtreme card but for right now, I need giga studio to add to ACID and Video Vegas..
please advise, thanks very much
j


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PaPa Chalk:
Hey guess what i just downloaded the new drivers for the delta series from M audio. I currently have the delta 66.
Multiclient seems to work now. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif If you have a delta product download the updated driver from here. http://www.midiman.com/m-audio/drivers.htm (\"http://www.midiman.com/m-audio/drivers.htm\")

I have cubase working with asio on channel 1+2 and Gigastudio on 3+4.

If you have a delta series let us know if it works for you.

http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
PaPa Chalk<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[rguerin]

Well, thanks for the tip. I downloaded the driver, installed it. This is funny because I spoke to technical support the same day the driver got updated and he never mentioned a new driver available. Anyway, It still won\'t work. I get the same error message as before: \"Wave Device not available, remaping to ASIO Multimedia driver\". Then no MIDI in GigS. Maybe Gigasampler works with Cubase? Any of you are using GigaStudio with Cubase or are you all using Gigasampler?

Thanks again.

[PaPa Chalk]

Not sure about the audiophile retrobeats.
I do have gigastudio and cubase working together now with the delta 66/1010. Both gigastudio and cubase have to be at the same sample rate. I also make sure Cubase uses output 1 and 2. check to make sure your master outs on cubase are set to output 1 and 2. Then set Gigastudio on output 3 and 4. If you get wave device is already in use start gigastudio first, then set it to output 3 and 4 then set cubase to output one and two.

http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
PaPa Chalk

[JimmyG]

I originally planned to buy a Delta card for use with Cubase 5, but found out it wasn\'t genuinely multiclient just in time. Midiman promised - in December - that they were going to update their drivers \'within a couple of weeks\'. Well, surprise, surprise... I went for the Soundscape Mixtreme instead, which, if you eventually give up on the Delta, is totally m-client and works PERFECTLY with Cubase. Sorry can\'t come up with a magic fix, but life\'s brutal sometimes. Good luck!

[rguerin]

Hi everyone,

Well, after reading all your tips, doing tests, rebooting many times, uninstalling, reinstalling and crashing many times, I\'ve decided to uninstall Gigastudio and reinstall and older version of GigaSampler. With GS on outputs 3 & 4 and Cubase on all other, it works. You can imagine how happy I was to not see any error messages.

As for M-AUdio support, I have this to say: The techs were quick to respond to my querries. This is an excellent point for them. On the other hand, the company makes certain claims that are not completly accurate and their website is deficient in helping users to troubleshoot these issues. That\'s a negative on their part.

All in all, I was happy with my soundcard. But by going through this ordeal, I made one very important decision that I suspect many will feel is a wise guideline to follow when purchasing hardware & software:

If the company claims a feature will be available soon, don\'t believe them. Make your purchase based on the features that are available at the moment of that purchase. Chances are, by the time the feature will be available, a competitor will have a better product out anyway.

Thank you all for your help and comments. Thank you Nemesys for providing us with a great software sampler (makes me want to sell my Roland S-760).