Black Grand BETA demos

[Worra]

Ok, here are a first couple of demos using one of the patches from the upcoming Black Grand.
Before you download the mp3:s, I need you to stand up and say three times: “This is a beta!”, “This is a beta!!”, “This is a beta!!!”
There is stuff to be tweaked still! If it wasn’t, it would be on sale in our store right now……

Here’s a bit of background:

The instrument used was a Steinway D (Hamburg). It was recorded in a concert hall. Why? Because the Steinway was constructed to be played in that kind of room, (nad so where all grand pianos…)
The piano has 48(!) samples/note. 16 pedal up, 16 pedal down and 16 matching release samples. (In this version only 4 release levels where used due to limitations ion the current Gst version, but that will change….).
The Steinway was recorded in three different perspectives, close, ambient and a sort of in between version, what you here in these demos are the ambient version.
It has some ambience from the hall, but not more then to give it character.
This Steinway is intonated in a rather bright way. Now, many of you was probably expecting a darker piano after the White Grand, but since the piano sounded this way, I rolled with it rather than trying to EQ it to a darker version. Art Vista are working on a great darker piano for those of you who needs real mellow!
Many of the pianists I’ve talked with about this instrument loves it for just that reason. It’s a soloist’s instrument that makes it possible for them to be heard through a orchestra.
Ok, here are the demos (remember the chant? “This is a beta….This is a beta….”):

Stella by Starlight (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/BGAmb_Beta02_Stella.mp3\") Performed by Richard Krull, originally made as a demo for the White Grand, but the midi works great with the Black Grand.
Adagio Cantabile (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/AdagioCantabile.mp3\")

[Alan Russell]

Worra,

being from the Jazz genre, it\'s Stella By Starlight\" not \"Moonlight\"


Alan Russell

[Worra]

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Worra,

being from the Jazz genre, it\'s Stella By Starlight\" not \"Moonlight\"


Alan Russell

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Ooops.... sorry about that... changed!

[Nhick Ramiro Pacis]

Wow, Worra! I like it already!

When do you expect this to be ready again?

[Malo]

Worra, this sounds very, very GOOD! Bright is beautiful!

Cheers!

[Worra]

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Wow, Worra! I like it already!

When do you expect this to be ready again?

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Depends on how the testing goes, but we hope to have all three perspectives in a final testing state in a couple of months, so release date would be around July.

[Alexcremers]

Wow, July? That\'s a long wait! I like that it has a more serious tone than the White Grand, Worra, but the playing sounds somewhat restrained. Is this because of one of the three Beta reasons?

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[fozzy]

Beautiful !

[Bruce A. Richardson]

Dang...

That sounds really good. I love the fact that this DOES seem to be a piano that can express restraint and hesitancy. These are hard qualities to get in a sampled piano. I sure wish you luck with it, Per.

[Worra]

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Wow, July? That\'s a long wait!

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Well, there\'s +6000 samples to edit, and that takes a while..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[T Parks]

Listening to the Beethoven movement, the piano has a lovely intimacy to it. I suspect your going to sell a lot of these, Worra!. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[timby]

Sounds really nice.

I know it\'s a beta and all, but I wonder if you have any other midi files with more dynamic range? \"Stella...\" sounds great in the intimate range, but I kept waiting for a few passionate stabs just to see how much ground this piano can cover.

Don\'t worry -- I know that it\'s too early for that, and I\'m not saying this as a serious \"critique\". Just making a request for any future demos, especially jazz ones since that\'s what I\'m most interested in.

The sound I\'m still striving to find in a sampled piano is the one I hear in old Monk and Duke Ellington recordings. It\'s a very woody, \"thunky\" sound, definitely not bright, but often a little out of tune, almost like an upright. I\'ve got your Rain Piano and Studio 88 - and love both - but I\'m still looking for that elusive jazz \"thing\". Hopefully this new lib will be the closest yet.

Can\'t wait!

[Worra]

Thanks for your kind words!
I\'ll see if I can make some different demos!
Any other comments, both positve and negative, are welcome!

[Worra]

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The sound I\'m still striving to find in a sampled piano is the one I hear in old Monk and Duke Ellington recordings. It\'s a very woody, \"thunky\" sound, definitely not bright, but often a little out of tune, almost like an upright.

Can\'t wait!

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Have you checked the demos that Hans at Art Vista made for their upcoming piano? Definitly not out of tune, but it might be what your looking for. Noone really makes pianosamples with that mellow, dark sound the way they do!

[rkmusic]

I love it already!
Any chance to have repedalling function with Gstd3.0?
It will be great also as an updated White Grand!
Thanks Worra!

[rkmusic]

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... I love the fact that this DOES seem to be a piano that can express restraint and hesitancy...

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In other word this piano seems to be top level for reproducing subtel playing expressed by the musician. It is what you mean, right?

[Lougheed]

Strange, I wrote a reply the other day, but it never appeared!

Anyway, thank you, Worra, for posting the demos. I do New Age piano (among other things) and WOW, I certainly see great potential in the Black Grand.

The demos reveal the delicate and expressive aspect, but there are also brief moments (teasers, really) of more power.

I\'m likely going to upgrade to GS 3.0, for the Black Grand alone.

The future indeed looks promising.

Thank you, Worra, for posting the demos.

Regards,

Lawrence

[Bruce A. Richardson]

Yes. For me, one of the most difficult aspects of sampled piano is that I often find that what \"comes out\" sounds more aggressive than what I \"play in.\" That there has been less attention to the detail in pianissimo than in fortissimo. This was one of the aspects of the White Grand that I enjoy the most--that there is enough detail in the pianissimo range to express subtlety.

[Lougheed]

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That there has been less attention to the detail in pianissimo than in fortissimo. This was one of the aspects of the White Grand that I enjoy the most--that there is enough detail in the pianissimo range to express subtlety.

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Absolutely! For me, the number of velocity layers / dynamic response has become a critical issue.

There are some wonderful sounding pianos out there, but at least for my style, when I play them - there just aren\'t enough layers to smoothly express myself, without resorting to a ton of velocity edits. Even then, there are \"bumps\" that are unwanted.

Worra is on the right track. His approach to layers, combined with taking advantage of some of the features announced for GS 3.0 (to do with pedal, reverb etc.) are going to be kick [censored], IMHO.

Perhaps, finally, it will be possible to do convincing solo piano work, using a sampled piano - without having to \"cover\" using pads, or strings or whatever.

Lawrence

[Robi]

Hi Worra,
This is the best sound of Steinway I heard.
When will be available a demo to play like you have done with white grand?

Robi

[Worra]

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Hi Worra,
This is the best sound of Steinway I heard.
When will be available a demo to play like you have done with white grand?

Robi

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Thanks Robi!

When the Black Grand is released, there will be a demo similair to the one for the White Grand.

[Alexcremers]

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Wow, July? That\'s a long wait!

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Well, there\'s +6000 samples to edit, and that takes a while..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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The good news is that in July computers will become relatively cheaper and once again more powerfull. Hehehe.

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Alex Cremers

[Worra]

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Wow, July? That\'s a long wait!

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Alex Cremers

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Well, there\'s +6000 samples to edit, and that takes a while..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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The good news is that in July computers will become relatively cheaper and once again more powerfull. Hehehe.

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Alex Cremers

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif ....and then I might sample a piano with 24 velocity layers pedal up and 24 pedal down..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Alan Lastufka]

Worra, this piano sounds wonderful! Definetly the sound I\'ve been looking for... if you\'re looking for anymore beta-testera, sign me up, seriously. Sounds like you\'ve got a great product here...

[Bela D Media]

From one developer to another - Bravo!

[Worra]

Thank you guys!
You don’t know how happy all this positive response makes me, really!

When recording an instrument, I always begin with some kind of idea of what I want, then, on location, I always need to adjust to reality.
Therefore, I always return from a session with a somewhat insecure feeling. It’s not until I’ve got the first beta ready, and actually can listen to the result that I know if I’m happy with it or not,
Now, if I’m happy with the result, I feel that the work was worth the pain, (I’ve actually got a inflamed elbow after this session, honest!)
Doing this as a developer, I’m also kind of depending what you, the musicians, have to say. This response makes up for all the efforts, (and the sore elbow!).
I’m certain that all developers here on the forum can vouch for that!
The matter of making a good sounding sampled piano is not all about the amount of velocity samples, even if IMHO it adds a lot of realism and dynamics to the sound, the instrument and recording also have to sound great.
To make things even more complicated, what sounds great or not is of course purely subjective and can’t really be argued about. It might sound like the Holy Grail for some, but it might sound like crap to someone else. That’s why it’s great that there are so many incredibly well sounding sampled pianos on the market.
It is my hope that the products that I make are going to be inspiring for you, the musician, and that they will help you to express yourself in the way you want, but it’s always the person that plays the instrument that delivers the performance!
A great sounding instrument, being a real or a sampled one, can be inspiring to play, but an inspired performance by a blessed musician can be magical even if the instrument isn’t the best.
I remember when I first heard Jimi Hendrix live version of “Hear My Train a Coming” from the album “Rainbow Bridge”. I totally flipped!!!!! I bought that record around -71 or -72 and literarily played it until it wore out!
Then suddenly one day, after hearing it hundreds of times, I suddenly realized that the bass and guitar wasn’t in tune!
I’ve hadn’t noticed that before, and it took me some time to get over it, but now I can enjoy it again. So, even a poorly tuned instrument can deliver a outstanding performance in the hands of a master.
So, in conclusion, the instrument is “only” a tool, like a hammer, in the hands of the musician. What’s done with it, and what the result is, is up to the person that uses the tool.
Now, if you want to hang a picture, you need to hammer a nail into the wall and a good tool can prevent bent nails and sore thumbs, but when done, you don’t hang the hammer on the nail, do you…???

[Hans Adamson]

Hey Per,

The piano sounds really good! You have captured a nice perspective on this one!

It is going to be a piano year this year, I see... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hans Adamson
Art Vista Productions
http://www.artvista.net/ (\"http://www.artvista.net/\")

[Worra]

Ok, I\'ve made a couple of demos that shows the Black Grand in a more \"loud\" way.
Since the first two demos was a bit on the softer side.
Again, it\'s a beta and it\'s the ambient patch that\'s used.
Nothing has been done to the recordings in terms of editing, EQ, reverb or anything else. Just the Black Grand Ambient out of the box.
Here you go:

Rach & Roll (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/RachAndRoll.mp3\") (turn up the volume on this one...)
Triana (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/Triana.mp3\")

[Bruce A. Richardson]

I\'ll tell you another thing this demo proves to me...

That people are going to crap their pants when Per tells them what mics he used on this perspective.

[JohnGrant]

Sounds excellent. Just excellent. I know nothing about mics. What is Bruce hinting at?

JG

[Worra]

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Sounds excellent. Just excellent. I know nothing about mics. What is Bruce hinting at?

JG

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He, he..... Well, I used a pair of Rode NT5 for that one. The reason for this is that I really like how they sound and I thought that their characteristics would work for what I was after, and also, they are very quiet in terms of noise and hiss, that was important for the ambient version.
There are several brands that might have a better reputation than the Rode (I used Neuman KM84 for the mid version), but I really, really think that the NT5 are great sounding miks and these recordings proves just that!!

[Alexcremers]

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Ok, I\'ve made a couple of demos that shows the Black Grand in a more \"loud\" way.
Here you go:
Rach & Roll (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/RachAndRoll.mp3\") (turn up the volume on this one...)
Triana (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/Triana.mp3\")

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The first two restrained demos sounded much better in my ear. Honestly, these last two beta versions made me kinda nervous. It\'s almost another piano I\'m hearing. Don\'t worry, Worra! I\'m still extremely interested in the Black Grand, but if I were you I would lose the last two demos. They are too beta. I think the finished Black Grand will be much better than this. Am I right or am I right?
Anyway, thanks for posting demos at such an early stage.

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Alex Cremers

[Worra]

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Ok, I\'ve made a couple of demos that shows the Black Grand in a more \"loud\" way.
Here you go:
Rach & Roll (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/RachAndRoll.mp3\") (turn up the volume on this one...)
Triana (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/Triana.mp3\")

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The first two restrained demos sounded much better in my ear. Honestly, these last two beta versions made me kinda nervous. It\'s almost another piano I\'m hearing. Don\'t worry, Worra! I\'m still extremely interested in the Black Grand, but if I were you I would lose the last two demos. They are too beta. I think the finished Black Grand will be much better than this. Am I right or am I right?
Anyway, thanks for posting demos at such an early stage.

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Alex Cremers

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Hi Alex.

Thanks for your input!
What is it in the last two demos that you don\'t like?

[Robi]

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The first two restrained demos sounded much better in my ear.
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Alex Cremers

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I had the same impression. I like very much the sound of \"Stella by starlight\".

This is why I will wait with impatience the playable demo.

Robi

[Olivierbergman]

Hi,

The mp3 sound really good. I will take a try when your playable demo will be out.

The sound seems to be warm and i hear most od the quality of an Hamburg Steinway D.

Regards,

OLivier

[Alexcremers]

It left me with a strong feeling of...jumpiness between the different velocities. It felt not smooth enough, somewhat uneven. Like the player doesn\'t control the sound, nor the music. It somehow sounds thinner too. Of course, I understand that this is just a midi file playing and not a real person hearing the actual piano and adapting to it. I also understand that this is a, far from being finished, rough version of the Black Grand.

But hey, Worra, I could be wrong. It\'s just that there\'s not much of a reaction or feedback anymore since you posted the last two. Or is it because of the weekend? Could it be everybody has a life outside NS? Nah! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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[Alexcremers]

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The sound seems to be warm and i hear most od the quality of an Hamburg Steinway D.


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It is a Hamburg Steinway. I use to have one, but not a concert, it was a pianola without the mechanism. Probably melted down for the making of bullets during World War 1 or 2.

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[Worra]

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But hey, Worra, I could be wrong. It\'s just that there\'s not much of a reaction or feedback anymore since you posted the last two. Or is it because of the weekend? Could it be everybody has a life outside NS? Nah! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Alex Cremers

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He, he..... people maybe are TOO polite!
One reason to post these mp3:s here are that I WANT to get input. Both positive and negative!
So, if you hear something you don\'t like, let me know!
Since it\'s still in Beta, there\'s tweeking to be done.......

[Lougheed]

Worra,

I gave the demos to a collegue. I have great respect for his opinion of piano sound. This was his response:

\"This is the best Steinway yet!

Interesting choice of music samples. The middle movement if the Beethoven Pathetique is my official \"test piece\" for any new piano. I figure if it can handle that movement, it can handle anything.\"

Lawrence

PS - I too have a different reaction/response to the first two demos posted, versus the second two. i will provide feedback later today. (Right now I\'m off to do the church organist thing).

[JohnGrant]

Interesting that Alex should find the first two demos superior. I haven\'t had the chance to listen carefully, but the softer velocities (put to the test in the middle movement of the Pathetique) should be the hardest to sample smoothly, that is, without revealing transition points between layers while maintaining a convincing soft timbre throughout. Hmmm... I could be wrong.

JG

[Worra]

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Worra,

I gave the demos to a collegue. I have great respect for his opinion of piano sound. This was his response:

\"This is the best Steinway yet!

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[Worra]

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It left me with a strong feeling of...jumpiness between the different velocities. It felt not smooth enough, somewhat uneven. Like the player doesn\'t control the sound, nor the music. It somehow sounds thinner too. Of course, I understand that this is just a midi file playing and not a real person hearing the actual piano and adapting to it. I also understand that this is a, far from being finished, rough version of the Black Grand.

But hey, Worra, I could be wrong. It\'s just that there\'s not much of a reaction or feedback anymore since you posted the last two. Or is it because of the weekend? Could it be everybody has a life outside NS? Nah! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Alex Cremers

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I\'ve checked the midi files, and they are rather unevenly played. I chose these two because they had a lot of dynamics, but this is clearly not how a \"real\" pianist playing this instrument would have played.
I\'ve removed the two demos and I\'ll try to make new ones where the velocitydata is compressed a bit.

When playing a sampled piano with this many velocity layers, the difference between the lower and higher levels are quite substantial, this is why you have experienced certain uneveness between the layers.

[rkmusic]

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Yes. For me, one of the most difficult aspects of sampled piano is that I often find that what \"comes out\" sounds more aggressive than what I \"play in.\" That there has been less attention to the detail in pianissimo than in fortissimo. This was one of the aspects of the White Grand that I enjoy the most--that there is enough detail in the pianissimo range to express subtlety.

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Absolutely, agree with all you are saying.
However on the hardware side we have the midi-controller-keyboard thing.
Yesterday I was playing live in a concert. Unfortunately not acoustic piano but not a bad at all midi one. Sometimes it has been described as the best: Kawai M9000 with real piano playing feel. The sound was its internal one indeed.
I think that the keyb. manufacturers will have hard work to make possible this dream of feeling comfortable when playing a sampled piano. For me the M9000 (M9500) is the beginning.
Ideal scenario: Midi-Keyb. -----> Midi data-----> Sampled piano.
These 3 factors have to be studied in order to interact side by side. The developpers would have to know the fundamentals in practice of the other 2 fields. They would hace to comunicate like we do in this Forum but between themselves as developpers. I know there is the pure factor of marketing, but I consider it outside of making such a product (like 3 in 1) but made from different manufacturers/developers. But these 3 fields are children of the real father: the piano.

So we could have to consider:

Piano----->Midi data (study - curves, translations, etc.)
Piano----->Specific hardware coupled on the real piano (Moog Piano Bar, and other artifacts)
Piano----->MidiKeyb. (M9000-9500, others)
Piano----->Sampled piano (maybe the most quickly growing area with already wonderful results like B&W Grands)

... and the interaction of these distinct fields of developement.

For me the hardest work is to achieve that the pianist could instantanely feel and hear that is one playing (input) is near 100 per cent equal to the output recrated on the real thing, but on a midi controller + Sampled. And this is the field of hardware (translation to midi). I don´t know but maybe the 128 increment values for velocity aren´t sufficient or another type of control midi message has to be discovered as a replacement or to be added to the velocity messages (pure speculation).

So, from here I invite to all the relationed developers to form a group and to work together and not separately.
I don´t know if it make sense but it is MHO.

Thanks,

[Mattias Henningson]

Wow! This sounds great!

/Mattias

[Worra]

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Yes. For me, one of the most difficult aspects of sampled piano is that I often find that what \"comes out\" sounds more aggressive than what I \"play in.\" That there has been less attention to the detail in pianissimo than in fortissimo. This was one of the aspects of the White Grand that I enjoy the most--that there is enough detail in the pianissimo range to express subtlety.

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Absolutely, agree with all you are saying.
However on the hardware side we have the midi-controller-keyboard thing.
Yesterday I was playing live in a concert. Unfortunately not acoustic piano but not a bad at all midi one. Sometimes it has been described as the best: Kawai M9000 with real piano playing feel. The sound was its internal one indeed.
I think that the keyb. manufacturers will have hard work to make possible this dream of feeling comfortable when playing a sampled piano. For me the M9000 (M9500) is the beginning.
Ideal scenario: Midi-Keyb. -----> Midi data-----> Sampled piano.
These 3 factors have to be studied in order to interact side by side. The developpers would have to know the fundamentals in practice of the other 2 fields. They would hace to comunicate like we do in this Forum but between themselves as developpers. I know there is the pure factor of marketing, but I consider it outside of making such a product (like 3 in 1) but made from different manufacturers/developers. But these 3 fields are children of the real father: the piano.

So we could have to consider:

Piano----->Midi data (study - curves, translations, etc.)
Piano----->Specific hardware coupled on the real piano (Moog Piano Bar, and other artifacts)
Piano----->MidiKeyb. (M9000-9500, others)
Piano----->Sampled piano (maybe the most quickly growing area with already wonderful results like B&W Grands)

... and the interaction of these distinct fields of developement.

For me the hardest work is to achieve that the pianist could instantanely feel and hear that is one playing (input) is near 100 per cent equal to the output recrated on the real thing, but on a midi controller + Sampled. And this is the field of hardware (translation to midi). I don´t know but maybe the 128 increment values for velocity aren´t sufficient or another type of control midi message has to be discovered as a replacement or to be added to the velocity messages (pure speculation).

So, from here I invite to all the relationed developers to form a group and to work together and not separately.
I don´t know if it make sense but it is MHO.

Thanks,

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I fully agree that the MIDI keyboard plays a really important part in how a library plays. Especially a library like the White & Black Grand’s that has so many velocity layers.
The problem is that to be able to agree on some kind of standard, all developers had to agree on some kind of standard way of sampling.
You can’t really compare different pianos from different developers in this matter. A midi keyboard with a velocity curve that sounds great on Piano A may not sound so great on Piano B since they might differ in how the piano’s been recorded, how the velocity layers are made and what samples where used.
But as I said before, check your velocity curve! You might breath new life in your libraries if you experiment a bit with this!

[Worra]

I’ve redone the two demos that sounded a bit strange.
Problem with the MIDI file used for those demos was that there was a lot of velocity 127, which triggered the top velocity layers in the Black Grand.
Now, that layer is what I refer to as a “extreme” layer. It’s the sound where you hammer the key down really, really hard.
In normal playing, you don’t really use that a lot, but it’s there because having 16 layer pedal up and 16 pedal down allows you to have the extreme loud and the extreme quiet samples.
The two new versions of this mp3:s has a velocity that’s been adjusted so it plays more natural, and sound more in the way it would sound if a musician would play this piano live.
They are still quite dynamic though, since I wanted that to show.

Rach & Roll (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/RachAndRoll.mp3\")
Triana (\"http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/WG/Triana.mp3\")

Let me know if you think that these sound better!

[Alexcremers]

Yummie! Much better! Jumpiness is gone.

Someone killed off one of my stars! Now I only got two of them left! Why don\'t you, who ever you are, take last ones too?

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Alex Cremers

[Techmusicom]

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Yummie! Much better! Jumpiness is gone.

Someone killed off one of my stars! Now I only got two of them left! Why don\'t you, who ever you are, take last ones too?

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Alex Cremers

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i give you 5 stars !

i hope it\'s le you to have 3 stars again !

Regards,

Olivier

[Alexcremers]

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Yummie! Much better! Jumpiness is gone.

Someone killed off one of my stars! Now I only got two of them left! Why don\'t you, who ever you are, take last ones too?

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Alex Cremers

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i give you 5 stars !

i hope it\'s le you to have 3 stars again !

Regards,

Olivier

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Thanks! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

This is my gift to you. Watch the stars!

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[Worra]

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Yummie! Much better! Jumpiness is gone.

Someone killed off one of my stars! Now I only got two of them left! Why don\'t you, who ever you are, take last ones too?

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Alex Cremers

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Yep, I thought these sounded much better!

[fozzy]

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Hey Per,

The piano sounds really good! You have captured a nice perspective on this one!

It is going to be a piano year this year, I see... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hans Adamson
Art Vista Productions
http://www.artvista.net/ (\"http://www.artvista.net/\")

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Yup! It\'s shaping up to be a very good year for piano libraries. What would make it complete, imho, is a new fortepiano library --preferably of later vintage than the two currently available. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Milan? PMI? Worra?

When\'s the ArtVista Steinway B library gonna be released?

Fozzy