Do we really want old people here? by Hardy Hernia [Archive]

Ted Vanya

05-03-2004, 06:18 PM

Hardy dude:

No idea if you are \"old\" or \"young\". I am young, will be SEVENTYSEVEN on May 31. Why did you bring up this question? I would be very interested in your answer.
At my age I do not feel old, I do not feel young either. My brain is still working and I enjoy the company, advise, chat, sadness and happyness of young and old people. Why should I be excluded from your company?
One more thing, believe it or not, if you take care of yourself and your Mr Bush will not send you to look for some nonexistent weapons, you will live until you will be ONEHUNDRED or more. I sincerely wish that you will..

Ted /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Larry Negro

05-03-2004, 06:55 PM

Hardy

What the #$%@ was that question all about?

Larry

Garritan

05-03-2004, 07:20 PM

Well!!! Do we??

Frank

The short answer is "Yes!"

I don\'t think Hardy meant any ill with his post. His NS name is Hardy Heern (Hard of Hearing) and my guess is that he meant it tongue-in-cheek or facetiously.
Often forums can be dominated by a culture of youth and perhaps Hardy is glad to see that this forum has people of all ages.

What is great about this forum is that there are people of all different ages, races, nationalities, creeds and skills. We have Alan who is 20 years old, all the way to one of our members who is 81. There are film composers, accomplished musicians, conductors, game audio guys, professors of music, band directors, students and such an incredible wealth of talent here.

Here we are honored to have a place where people from all walks of life and immense talent can interact, learn from and help each other.

Gary Garritan

snorlax

05-03-2004, 07:34 PM

Gang...

FWIW, I am a proud professor of Capitalism (Business Adm/Finance) and a Certified Financial Planner.

All my music knowledge comes from the School of Watching Over the Piano Player\'s Shoulder, Watching My Stand Partner Count Rests, and Listening to GPO Demos.

I am an extremely immature 52--one of the things that keeps me motivated is that there are people my age and older who are getting started with composing and arranging using GPO and other software.

I did my first arrangements in my early 40s and will be embarking on some attempted compositions this summer...I have learned a lot here.

I will inflict the group with more \"Snorlax Live Euphonium\" performances as soon as I can find the CDs in my disorganized mess of an office/studio. So composers...start writing for euphonium!! Mock \'em up on GPO!

Again FWIW, my Tattoos-to-Teeth Ratio is under 2.0 as well.

GPO GEEZERS OF THE WORLD....UNITE!!!

And \"Uncle Vanya\" above & the rest of us (soon-to-be) geezers can get Senior Discounts wherever the GPO get-together meets. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jim /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Adam Burford

05-03-2004, 09:09 PM

Speaking from the other end of the spectrum, I\'m only 5 years old (as you can see from my avatar) and I really, really appreciate you guys letting me come out and play with all you smart big people.

KevinKauai

05-03-2004, 09:09 PM

Being the permanently 39 kinda guy, I don\'t care if old or young is here -- it\'s the quality of the participation that counts! Age is a state of mind.

imho ... kev /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Junkmonkey

05-04-2004, 03:36 AM

Is there a point to this?

Look.. youth RULES!! But it gets more hype than it deserves. College years were supposed to be the \"best time of my life.\" I took three years at UMass and hated every second of it. I despise college and everything it stands for and hope that everybody who is succesful in anything they do did not go to college so as to encourage others to not go as well... but that\'s another story.

By the way Alan, I gotchya beat. I\'m turnin 21 in December /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

All jokes aside, the only benefit of being \'young\' is that when you whack your knee of that corner cabinet, it\'ll heal faster.

BTW, a receeding hairline is much worse than no hairline... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

- Junk

GigaLove

05-04-2004, 04:05 AM

No young people here please. Especially I hate young talented people. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Even worse young multi-talented people.......

Hardy Heern

05-04-2004, 05:30 AM

Dear all,

Ooooops! Another misjudgement! I must especially apologise to Gary who was totally correct with his suspicions about the tongue in cheek part and I\'m genuinely sorry to take up his valuable time having to answer such an ill-considered post.

The truth is I greatly enjoy interacting with such a broad age group (17-77) and you\'ve all got so much to learn from me....old and young. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I\'m afraid that it was 59yr old (although I do feel more like 95) high spirits after having a bit of fun on another thread....I was just being mischievous.....I do have a strange sense of humour at times....and, sadly, I do like to be provocative occasionally.

I have slapped myself on the wrist several times and promise not to do anything like this again until the next time…….

Frank

Styxx

05-04-2004, 08:13 AM

Thanks Gary... I needed that. I was just packing my bag to move to a different forum when I saw this reply. I can now call my plastic surgeon and cancel my Michael Jackson look alike surgery session tomorrow. Not only was I going to look younger. I was also going to look like someone no one really knows./ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

There\'s nothing wrong with me (click) wrong with me (click) wrong with me (click) ... slap!wrong with me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

ailteoir

05-04-2004, 09:12 AM

ah but what were you before you entered this present vale of tears?

http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/ (\"http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/\")

slán
mick ó c

GigaLove

05-04-2004, 09:19 AM

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ah but what were you before you entered this present vale of tears?

http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/ (\"http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/\")

slán
mick ó c

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.....ahahahaha...very nice. this is what my result was. anyone who met me in NZ about 1000 years ago?

Your past life diagnosis:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don\'t know how you feel about it, but you were female in your last earthly incarnation.
You were born somewhere in the territory of modern North New Zealand around the year 925.
Your profession was that of a seaman, dealer, businessman or broker.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your brief psychological profile in your past life:
As a natural talent in psychology, you knew how to use your opportunities. Cold-blooded and calm in any situation.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The lesson that your last past life brought to your present incarnation:
Your task is to learn, to love and to trust the universe. You are bound to think, study, reflect, and to develop inner wisdom.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you remember now?

.....errrrr.....no. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Styxx

05-04-2004, 09:31 AM

Pretty cool! Here\'s mine;

USA South-Center around the year 700. << Talk about being old!
Your profession was that of a dramatist, director, musician or bard.
Your brief psychological profile in your past life:
You always liked to travel and to investigate.
You could have been a detective or a spy.
The lesson that your last past life brought to your present incarnation:
You should develop self-love and ability to implant hope into hearts of people. Ambition is not everything. True wealth is buried in your soul.

I should start digging! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Styxx

05-04-2004, 10:30 AM

Wat did he say?

I have nothing against young people.... I was one once too! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

mschiff

05-04-2004, 10:41 AM

Jim,

Right on! I did my first original compositions at age 48, and now at 54 I am more into music than ever and have 4 CDs! I\'ve also done just about as much (paid) work in my studio with arrangements and mixing that I did at my \"real\" job over the past few weeks. Made more money too.

I retired my trombone years ago, but I\'m still going strong with the didge and have played more gigs in the past few years than in my whole life before 40.

-- Martin

Shazbot

05-04-2004, 11:38 AM

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Ummm? Gonna be 35 in June. Old?

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Me, too. By any chance the 14th??

ChoralBoss

05-04-2004, 11:47 AM

I LOVE this thread. Makes me feel so much better. And I thought I was the only \"late-bloomer\" here. I went back to school as a Freshman at the age of 42 (Stetson University) and got a BM in theory in \'93 at the age of 46. Then on to grad school at the University of Colorado and graduated in \'98 with a Master in Composition - age 50.

Now at the ripe ole age of 56 I\'m writing more and enjoying it more!

And MUCHO thanks to Gary for GPO and the generous offer of GOS Lite (which I bought)

Ron Williams

Styxx

05-04-2004, 11:55 AM

Well, welcome aboard the GPO (GOS) train! Quite a list of accomplishments for an old guy! I was just a bit younger by two years when I started college. Being old isn\'t so bad. You get to look back at all the knowledge you\'ve accumulated throughout the years and use it to your best advantage.
So, when we going to hear something you composed with GOS? Maybe you have and I missed it?
No disputing Gary is a great person here!/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

William West

05-04-2004, 01:48 PM

Facinating thread - I feel old and young at the same time. Actually, I just feel pressed for time.....

I majored in music some 24 years ago and promptly forgot everything and walked away completely. It has only been since 2001 that I have gotten back in to writing music again. I could kick myself for leaving it as I am now fighting hard to catch up and learn everything all over again (its not like riding a bike).

Even still, I am really enjoying the experience this time around. Back in the early 80\'s, I was one of only a few students interested in composing...I felt all alone. This internet thingie has really changed all of that. It is so nice to be able to share experiences, knowlege, and ideas with other musicians.

William

Junkmonkey

05-04-2004, 02:45 PM

I know that I\'m sorta turning a corner with this one... but I have a question for ChoralBoss and anybody else who has majored in theory and/or composition.

Does it help with your writing?

I do not mean, proper orchestration techniques. I am always concerned with the ways in which people create. Aside from knowing how to spell chords, using the correct notation, and knowing basic theory, e.g that there isn\'t a G# major scale... (right?), has it helped you be creative?

Maybe, if that question\'s too vague, I could ask:
A) Has it increased your creativity?
B) Has it allowed you to express yourself more easily?

I\'m more concerned with A, but a lot of folks say that B is to be strived for.

- Junk

P.S. I left college and never want to go back. grrr

Hardy Heern

05-04-2004, 03:26 PM

Hi all,

I\'m very happy (and relieved) that this thread has taken a pleasant turn for the better. In fact it has raised some hilarious, entertaining and nay, interesting posts.

I might even retract my apology! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

No, not really....

Frank

ChoralBoss

05-04-2004, 03:43 PM

Hey Junkmonkey

Yes...as a short answer.

I believe the art of writing music involves both creativity and craft. I listen to the first movement of Beethoven\'s 5th and am blown away by his creation. But ole Ludwig didn\'t write that out of a burst of inspiration....he crafted it over a long period of time. Even though he was full of inspiration and creativity, Beethoven was the consumate craftsman!

So what I learned in 7 years of music school was a bag full of techniques and tricks, some of which are useful and many which are not. For example, I wrote a piano piece using twelve tone theory, which was fun to do. I understand 12 tone, but don\'t use it in my compositions. However, if I needed to extrapolate some techniques from 12-tone for a specific composition, I could do so.

In my choral writing, I use different techniques, many learned from analyzing choral works that I conduct, techniques totally different than what grad school composition was about.

Also in the learning process was tons of listening and learning compositions...from Renaissance to 20th century...studying form, analysis, harmonic language, etc.

So, I\'m thankful for what I\'ve learned, but there\'s a ton of great music out there that has been written by creative people without \"proper\" training!!!

I love thinking and talking about the creative process. It\'s so fascinating!!

ChoralBoss

05-04-2004, 03:49 PM

Hey Styxx

Nope, I\'ve not posted a composition yet. I\'m in the process of realizing my masters thesis, a 15 minute composition for orchestra. However, I\'m just getting started, and it\'s quite involved. Can\'t wait to get it done and up, because I think it\'s a pretty good piece. GPO is PERFECT for realizing this work...I\'m totally impressed by what I\'ve been able to do so far.

I\'ve ported the MIDI file over from Finale and have lots of hand work to do...you know, putting in Crtl 1\'s, fixing note lengths, etc.

I have several other compostions that I want to port over, but it just takes time!!

Ron

Styxx

05-04-2004, 04:36 PM

Not to get off track from you post but, wasn\'t the 5th finished before his 4th? And also, I heard, and please correct me if what I heard is wrong, that Beethovan heard the sound of a bird outside his window singing the interval for that very first movement. Now I can\'t for the life of me if I read that or someone was BSing me or what. As I live today, you can hear the same type of bird singing that interval. Please slap me if I am totally out of my mind! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I often wondered if that story was true.

Shazbot

05-04-2004, 04:50 PM

I don\'t know if that\'s true or not, but I love some of the \"how Beethoven came up with those 5th symphony notes\" skits, like on The Muppets and Saturday Night Live. And didn\'t Victor Borge do a bit about that, too?

rkmusic

05-04-2004, 05:16 PM

At the beginning of this year I made a sort of survey about the age, nationality and location of members of this expressive Forum.
If you are curious about the result it is in http://www.northernsounds.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=142486&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=1&vc=1 (\"http://www.northernsounds.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=142486&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=1&vc=1\")

I think of course we need to deserve all the people to communicate in this Forum.
Often it is generous and practical, positive. Sometimes it is not, from time to time like in life in general.

Bienvenidos a todos!

Junkmonkey

05-05-2004, 02:28 AM

Hey Choral man

Thanks for the response. I\'ve taken some classes, nothing really in depth on composition, but they were about the form of music throughout the times (how baroque symphonies differed from classical, from romantic, etc.). The class ended, I could tell the difference between em, but could never apply it to my writing. I\'m reading \"Hearing and Writing Music\" by Ron Garow right now, and he has expressed the wonderfulness of learning to \'hear\' intervals and how useful it is in writing and even listening. And so far, though I\'ve only been practicing for about a week and a half, I don\'t even consider that stuff. I can \'hear it in my head\' I guess (or can I? Some music-guy once told me that if I can\'t sing it, I can\'t \"hear it\"). *shrug

- Junk

P.S. Sometimes I sit in front of the comp with an \'idea\' in mind, and i just noodle around. I wait for something to hit me, then bam! (haha \"bam\")... anyways, I don\'t think of anything really, I just \'flow\' with it. I don\'t know if it\'s a bad habit, maybe for what I do (video game music), the ADVANCED theory/composition/form skills aren\'t that necessary. *shrug I just hope I\'m not selling myself short.

Styxx

05-05-2004, 06:32 AM

This morning I woke and realized I was another day older. Does this mean I have to leave now? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jonny Lost

05-05-2004, 06:38 AM

Hey guys, (young and old)

I personally feel that I learn alot from the older generation. Generation is actually a funny word. I don\'t really know which generation I fall into. I was born in 1978, so I was before the MTV generation or generation X and after the baby boomers and the vietnam era (whatever they were called). Who names these things anyway?

Anywho, age to me is justa vintage date. Just because someone is say 53, it doesn\'t mean that they are any less important or vibrant that someonwe whos 35.

I appreciate what I can learn and being around people of all ages.

With that said, everyone under 2 and over 110, get out!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jonny

(By the way, I was a female Japanese gravedigger around 1850 in my past life (See thread above) . Now, I\'m not current with my foreing cultures, but does this sound a little odd to anyone else?) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Styxx

05-05-2004, 07:46 PM

Speaking of - I went to the pharmasist last night to find out more on Viagra. After discussing its effects and side effects I asked him, can ya get it over the counter?
He said, if I take two. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cerrabore

05-05-2004, 09:03 PM

Hey, I guess I\'ve secured the record for youngest member at 15 years of age.

Styxx

05-05-2004, 09:32 PM

15! Oh man you have some times coming to you! If I had all of this when I was fifteen no telling what I may have turned out to be. Your on you way man!~~~~ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cerrabore

05-06-2004, 07:36 PM

Now now, I could offset the head start with a slow progression...

Hardy Heern

05-07-2004, 04:04 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Speaking of - I went to the pharmasist last night to find out more on Viagra. After discussing its effects and side effects I asked him, can ya get it over the counter?
He said, if I take two. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Sal,

That\'s a cracker....one worth remembering /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif...I\'ve enjoyed the wit of you and others here too!......trouble is when you get older you tend to have heard a lot of the jokes before, even if re-hashed. I guess there are only so many scenarios....which reminds me....

A number of years ago I heard/read that a French philosopher/playwright had come up whith the fact that there are only 39 (if I remember it correctly...or am I thinking of steps?) possible human situations like love, death, infidelity, revenge etc etc (you get most of them on this forum! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif). ALL plays and stories are a combination of these.

Interesting....well at least I thought so.

Now, is it the same with music? There\'s certainly only 12 notes in an octave. Probably about 100 genres. A hundred styles, a hundred ornaments/licks.....you know....the ones that pianists, guitarists etc learn to prove their virtuosity, and another couple of hundred compositional \'figures\' that are known to work. These options can be greatly reduced when you take into account the acceptable fashion of the time. I have enormous respect for those folk who come up with a new genre from all this, especially if it\'s in tune and has a stucture....sheer genius/luck...not like certain 20th century charlatans I could mention...!!

Hmmmmmm......

Some new genres were created when new instuments/effects were invented. The guitar is the most obvious. The ones that are the most remarkable are the Scott Joplins of this world who come up with something totally new which could have been done 100\'s of years earlier if someone had spotted it (ie pianos had been around for ages)....... Mind you I did come across a pretty little Beethoven Sonata which reminded me of Joplin....so who knows?

Frank

I\'ve been puzzling about what the heck \'Nietsneknarf\' was but I rumbled it today when I spotted my connection.....

Hardy Heern

05-07-2004, 04:17 AM

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Hey, I guess I\'ve secured the record for youngest member at 15 years of age.

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Well done Cerrabore....maybe there\'s a prize for you in this?

It just makes me think what technical wonders there are ahead for you. I\'m just pleased to have stumbled through life far enough to have enjoyed what technology has achieved (the good bits that is!!) It\'s been said before, but musically we\'re able to create and hear orchestral and other masterpieces in our homes which have been denied to everyone previously.....even the musically trained.

It\'s even more of a release for people like myself who think they have ideas (?) and good ears (???) but who don\'t have sufficient training (I mean, grade 4 piano is hardly good enough). But, there again, the point is that I can absolutely guarantee that there is NO one in the world who can play all the instruments in an orchestra or in popular music etc. So in that way we have a completely level playing field.....Isn\'t that great!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Enjoy your time.

Frank

Shazbot

05-07-2004, 05:46 PM

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Not to get off track from you post but, wasn\'t the 5th finished before his 4th? And also, I heard, and please correct me if what I heard is wrong, that Beethovan heard the sound of a bird outside his window singing the interval for that very first movement. Now I can\'t for the life of me if I read that or someone was BSing me or what. As I live today, you can hear the same type of bird singing that interval. Please slap me if I am totally out of my mind! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I often wondered if that story was true.

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I borrowed a CD of the 5th from the library (I realized I\'d never actually listened to more than the first movement), and in the liner notes it says...

The story of how the opening motif was \'fate knocking at the door\' is attributable to Beethoven\'s notoriously unreliable biographer, Anton Schindler. Years later, his pupil and friend Carl Czerny said that it was the song of the yellowhammer that had inspired Beethoven as he walked in one of his favourite parks in Vienna.