GPO Contest: Your Work Performed by Real Orchestra

[Garritan]

<font color=\"#CC9900\"> Announcing the 1st GPO Orchestration Competition! </font>

http://www.garritan.com/images/czech-orch.jpg

Enter your Garritan Personal Orchestra work in the GPO Orchestration Competition.

The Grand Prize Winner will have their work performed live by a Full Symphony Orchestra!
The gala performance will be broadcast live worldwide on the internet!

Many runner-up prizes including a cl[nss][nss][nss] at the Pacific Northwest Film Scoring Program, sampling software, audio software, notation software, VST plug-ins, MIDI keyboard, subscriptions and more!

Entries must be submitted by the 1st of December 2004. Winners will be announced at NAMM and the performance will take place just prior to Musikmesse.

Relevant details below. More complete details, submission requirements and restrictions at http://www.garritan.com/competition.html (http://%5C%22http://www.garritan.com/competition.html%5C%22)

<font color=\"brown\"> ELIGIBILITY </font>

• The entrant must be a registered owner of Garritan Personal Orchestra. Garritan Personal Orchestra Users are eligible (except officers and employees of Garritan Orchestral Libraries).
• All entrants must be 18 years of age or older due to travel restrictions and requirements.
• The competition is organized by harps.com Corp (makers of Garritan Personal Orchestra), Capellen Music Production and the Moravian Philharmonic Orchestra.
• The submitted work must be an original composition or an orchestration of a cl[nss][nss][nss]ical work in the public domain. The entrant must ensure that the work is free of any copyright infringement.
• Compositions must use the Garritan Personal Orchestra exclusively. The entry can be done on Mac or PC and in any notation program or sequencer of the entrant\'s choosing.

<font color=\"brown\"> CRITERIA </font>

• The composition should be either:

(A) an original composition original composition demonstrating a high level of sophistication in composition and orchestration, OR
(B) an orchestration of a cl[nss][nss][nss]ical work in the public domain demonstrating a high level of sophistication in orchestration and arranging. The entrant must ensure that the work is free of any copyright infringement.

• Works will be evaluated with a view towards composition, orchestration, color, balance, technique and other factors. Original compositions composed specifically for this competition will be given primary consideration.

<font color=\"brown\"> COMPETITION TIMETABLE </font>

• Entries must be received by 5pm on Wednesday, December 1st, 2004. Late entries will not be considered.
• Between December 1, 2004 and January 22, 2005: Initial Panel and Judging Panel meet to select winning composition. Winners notified.
• The winner will be announced on January 22nd, 2005, at the NAMM show in Anaheim, California.
• The winner must provide parts by March 15, 2005.
• The winning work will be performed by the Moravian Philharmonic Orchestra on March 31st, 2005 in Olomouc, Czech Republic and broadcast live on the internet. Rehearsals will take place March 29 &amp; 30, 2005. This is one week before the Frankfurt Musikmesse.

<font color=\"brown\"> INSTRUMENTATION AND DURATION OF WORK</font>

• The competition is for works that will have a duration of between two and eight minutes in duration.
• There is no minimum instrumentation requirement for the work. The maximum number of orchestral instruments is 75 players comprising any combination of br[nss][nss][nss], woodwind, string, percussion and keyboard instruments.
• Entrant must use GPO for all instruments in the rendering.

<font color=\"brown\">PRIZES </font>

• One composition will be designated as the \"Grand Prize Winner \" unless ruled otherwise by the Judging Panel.
• Runners-up prizes will also be awarded. First runner-up will win tuition for a cl[nss][nss][nss] at the Pacific Northwest Film Scoring Program. Prizes for other runners-up will include sampling software, audio software, notation software, VST plug-ins, MIDI keyboard, subscriptions and more! A list of allrunner-up prizes will be posted when available.
• The winning composer will also receive one round trip airline ticket to the Czech Republic and up to four nights accommodation in a hotel.

<font color=\"brown\"> JUDGING </font>

• Submitted works will be reviewed by a select panel of judges, including the Conductor, the Director of the Moravian Philharmonic, an Emmy winning film composer, an award-winning game composer, a music professor, and other top music industry professionals. The panel of judges may vary to meet the number of entrants.
• Works will be judged with a view towards composition, orchestration, color, balance, technique. Original compositions composed specifically for this competition will be given primary consideration.
• The judges reserve the right to to grant more than one grand prize award.

<font color=\"brown\"> RESTRICTIONS </font>

• Void where prohibited by law. • Organizers reserve the right to make changes if circumstances so dictate. We reserve the right to change the date, change the orchestra, or to withdraw any part or all of the prize or competition at any time. Any changes will be updated on the website. See website for additional restrictions.

Good Luck to everyone!!

Gary Garritan

[Jeff Turner]

Gary,

This is truly amazing! When you first announced GPO you stated that it was just the beginning. And boy, did you mean it. You\'ve made GPO a great community to be involved with. And competitions like this are going to push all to grow and do our best. And did I read the heading correctly? \"First Annual GPO Orchestration Competition\" Life is good.

Thanks,
Jeff

[danpowers]

Do any other sample library creators do such things for their user community? Somehow I think not! Just another reason why Garritan is the best!

I know I\'ll be entering!

[Sorahiko]

This is great! I\'ll be sure to enter. Good luck to everyone!

[Joseph Burrell]

Like I said in another thread, I\'ll be entering just so everyone can have a good laugh. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Styxx]

I can see it now...The First Annual GPO Award Shoe - er...oops /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I ment, \"Award Show\". Yuk, Yuk.
Hey... Ya never know!
All I have to say is I am glad I have (we have) till next December to write something worth submitting.
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Hey ____________! What are you going to do after you win the GPO Orchestration Contest? &lt; You can fill in the blank.
I\'m going to Disney World! Or, is that Wally World? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Styxx]

Wait a minute! You mean I have to really learn how to use this program? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Alan Lastufka]

Gary,

Thanks for finally putting this up, I was afraid I couldn\'t keep it a secret anymore!

Good luck to everyone that enters!

[bmpsound]

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Entries must be submitted by 31, December 2004. Winners will be announced at NAMM and the performance will take place just prior to Musikmesse.
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<font color=\"brown\"> COMPETITION TIMETABLE </font>

• Entries must be received by 5pm on Wednesday, December 1st, 2004. Late entries will not be considered.


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There are two deadlines. Which is the correct one?

[William West]

This is just so amazing! This is sure to get the creative juices flowing for everyone! Just imagine all the wonderful music that is going to come from this?

Gary, you never cease to amaze us with your generosity!
Thank you!

William

[Alan Lastufka]

The date has been fixed, it is Dec 1st...

[crr]

wow!!
Your support is incredible!
Incredible idea! I have to say that it\'s quite scaring! So a big opportunity!
Thanks a lot! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Wazzy]

Gary,

I mean who can compete with the likes of Francesco and others. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I guess that I am only glad that there are going to be other prizes beside the Grand Prize. It sounds like a lot of fun. Thanks for the incentives you provide to us to encourage us to be <font color=\"red\">\"all that we can be\". </font> /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dave

[Craig Reeves]

Oh yeah! This is so wonderful!

Can I enter my Symphony in this or does it have to be a completely new work?

[Craig Reeves]

....at least the first movement anyway...

[Garritan]

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Oh yeah! This is so wonderful!

Can I enter my Symphony in this or does it have to be a completely new work?

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You could enter works already done with GPO. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gary

[Styxx]

Entering how many works per composer?

[Styxx]

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I mean who can compete with the likes of Francesco and others

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How about Jun Yamamoto!

It\'s within all of you! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Craig Reeves]

Some questions....

1. Can 1 movement of a multi-movement piece (like my symphony) be entered or will that count as incomplete?

2. What instruments in GPO CANNOT be used?

3. What about concerti or a piece involving a more virtuosic soloist? For instance, a piano concerto - the piano solo is more difficult and may require time for the soloist to be able to perform the piece. My brother has been working on a piano concerto for a while and was thinking about entering the 3rd movement. The piano solo part is quite difficult (about as difficult as maybe the Schumman piano concerto) and would obviously take some time for the pianist to be able to play it well enough.

4. What level of difficulty can the piece be? You said that it couldn\'t be \"unplayable\", but does that just mean too difficult, or actually impossible to play?

5. You said the orchestration could only be a maximum of 72 players...that being said, how many people make up the basic strings section? And how do we determine how many people make up the rest of the orchestra? (Let\'s say I wanted 2 horns for ever horn part, or how many of each part can you have?).

[Junkmonkey]

For those who are sequencers before notaters, how should we rig up our sequences? I use all sortsa fancy techniques to get my sections to sound well and balanced in my sequencer, but I don\'t know how it would be notated so as to best fit an orchestra. Will we need to provide notation as well?

- Junk

[Sorahiko]

I would be glad to help anybody who has general questions about orchestral composition.

Craig, numbers of instruments vary in section from orchestra to orchestra, but there are are typical ranges that I\'ll list here.

First Violins: 12 - 16
Second Violins: 10 - 14
Violas: 8 - 12
Cellos: 6 - 10
Basses: 4 - 8

Clarinets: 2 - 3
Oboes: 2 - 3
Bassoons: 1 - 2
Cor Anglais (english Horn): 1
Flutes: 2 - 3
Piccolo: 1

French Horns (Horns): 5
Trombone: 2 - 3
Tuba: 1
Trumpet: 2 - 3

And all the percussion you can think of! In some cases there are two harp players.

The actual instrumentation of the symphony orchestra is dictated by the composer\'s indications in the score (your score!), so keep in mind that this setup is just somewhat of a \"template\". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Woodwinds or brass of various tunings are welcome, such as the Eb Clarinet, Bass Trombone, or Contra Bassoon.

A philharmonic orchestra has every instrument in GPO, so go nuts!

[bosone]

is the work have to be an unreleased one?
i am currently working on a soundtrack for a videogame. can i post the score i use for that project (of course it is original and made by me)

[Sorahiko]

If it\'s for a video game, the rights to the compositions might belong to the developer. As long as the rights are 100% yours, it\'ll probably be okay. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[sandden1]

When I bought GPO, I explained to my wife that this would be as close to having the chance to work with a full orchestra that I would probably ever be offered.

And now this.


This is brilliant. Thank you for the chance and the challenge of a lifetime.

Dennis Burton

[EricWatkins]

Can we submit more than one piece or is it just one comp that we think is our best work. I have a feeling that this is going to be life changing for the grand prize winner/s. I\'d love to know how big this pond is going to be. Pretty big I would guess. Thanks so much Gary for this opportunity. I started something new last night with this in mind. I wish all of you the best of luck. We will all win in this by trying to better ourselves as composers. God Bless you all.

Eric

[Styxx]

Some guy by the name of Wolfgang Mortznot is calling me at home and insisting we don\'t have a chance. I asked him how would he know and he relpied, \"B\'cause Beehavan and I are writing the ultimate work!\" And then he went on screeming, \"We\'re Bach\"!

Geezz guys, it looks like we\'ll have to really dig in!
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[L0W]

Don\'t know whether to call it generous, inspired, or inspirational - but what a fantastic opportunity for all you GPO users out there! Maybe there will be a CD of the top 20 as well?

In answer to an earlier question worrying about the \'score\' - the website says only the winner needs to provide the score and I\'m convinced there would be people queueing from this forum to help any winner who was having difficulty turning their \'sequence\' into a \'score\'.

[Hardy Heern]

Gary, This is one brilliant idea and a great opportunity for many of your customers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Good thinking...

Frank

[Styxx]

So, those people in the Orchestra pictured above have to stand there till December waiting for the winner? Geezzz Gary, by the time the winner is picked the orchestra is going to be too drained! Maybe you should tell them to go home and wait till its time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hey! How come the harpist isn\'t wearing her GPO shirt in this picture! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[trentpmcd]

Thanks Gary, this is great. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Not only do you provide a product that helps me hear how my ideas would sound played by a real orchestra but you even provide a chance (a very, very small chance in my case) of actually hearing a real orchestra play them.

Not that I stand a snowballs chance, but it will be a great challenge, and a lot of fun, to come up with something (or \"some-things\" since, if I read correctly up to 3 entries) to enter.

[Joseph Burrell]

Since I don\'t want to be disqualified (because I\'m gonna win /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif), will Voci and the Big Band and various sundry other plugin add-ons released later be considered a part of GPO and will be acceptable in the contest?

[bmpsound]

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if I read correctly up to 3 entries

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Where did you read \"3 entries\"?

[trentpmcd]

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if I read correctly up to 3 entries

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Where did you read \"3 entries\"?

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Go to the link: http://www.garritan.com/competition.html (\"http://www.garritan.com/competition.html\") and under \"Submission Requirements\" is the following paragraph -

• RECORDING: Entrants must submit a clearly labeled recording in the form of a CD Audio, wav file or mp3 containing only the submitted entry. Recordings, files and scores will not be returned, so entrants should ensure that they have retained a copy. Each entrant can submit a maximum of three works.

[GeorgeDaae]

Ooo, pick me! Pick me!
I live in Czech Republic just a few kilometres from Olomouc, so you\'d save for the airline ticket! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But seriously, this is an exceptional contest. Good luck to everyone!

[Sorahiko]

Three entries, huh? That makes things a little more interesting. One could create three movements of a single work and submit them. Although I looked at the contest information on the main page, I seem to have overlooked that detail. Thanks for pointing that out here!

[G Rudolph]

I may have missed it (I did look, honestly) but, are we limited to using Garritan Ambience reverb? Many of us are now in the habit of using SIR, Pristine Space or some other Impulse Reverb plugin, which could make a significant difference in the final mix?

[Joseph Burrell]

Shouldn't this topic be a sticky thread? It keeps disappearing off the main page, but on the Sample Libraries Discussion Board it is a sticky thread.

[G Rudolph]

Gary,

Still looking for a ruling on whether impulse reverb plugins are acceptable for the competition? Perhaps Garritan Ambience and SIR (since it's free) would be acceptable. After further thought, I think you'd need to define if any other plugins would be permitted, as this could greatly affect the end mix. My opinion would be you'd want to limit permitted plugins to the Garritan Ambience (and possibly SIR) to keep the playing field level.

Further thoughts...

The top winner(s) from this first competition would be ineligible, but invited to be a judge(s) for the for the next competition (2nd annual).

[Jeff Turner]

My impresssion after reading through the rules is that the only stipulation is to use GPO samples exclusively. Everything else seems to be flexible. There is no mention about having to use only the sequencer, ambience or notation program that came bundled with GPO. You can use any sequencing program that works with GPO. You can use the full version of Kontakt if you have it. Since I use GPO with Pro Tools on a Mac, the Ambience plug-in doesn't even work with Pro Tools , that's not even an option open to me. I think you can use whatever tools are at your disposal as long as only GPO samples are used.

Jeff

[monsterbox]

Hi there,

I´ve got some "technically" questions...

Do I have to submit three Audio CDs containing one composition each (for three different works).

Well, I use Sibelius -> do I have to submit the sib files on three CDs as well, or is one CD enough?


O.K. these questions sound a bit weird...he he...
thanx
m

[falcon1]

Just two questions:

1. Is it ok to send in composition/arrangement which is based on (for example) hymn tune?
2. Is it ok to use organ? (In case I would win) :)

[Alan Lastufka]

monsterbox,

I'm sure Gary would accept a single CD as long as EVERYTHING is clearly labeled as to which track corresponds to what.

Falcon1,

You are allowed to use any instruments included in GPO.

[falcon1]

monsterbox,

I'm sure Gary would accept a single CD as long as EVERYTHING is clearly labeled as to which track corresponds to what.

Falcon1,

You are allowed to use any instruments included in GPO.

Great!

I'll start composing as soon as GPO arrives. :cool:

Btw. Do you plan to have this yearly event?

[R. Glenn]

How about having the entries anonymously submitted and viewed?

That way the composition would truly speak for itself.

I noticed this seems to be the standard when it comes to other contests of this kind...so it might be a good idea to implement it for this one as well?

Just a suggestion. :)

Cheers

Rodney

[Garritan]

How about having the entries anonymously submitted and viewed?

That way the composition would truly speak for itself.


If an entry is anonymously submitted, how would we know who the winner is? :confused:

Gary Garritan

[Garritan]

The top winner(s) from this first competition would be ineligible, but invited to be a judge(s) for the for the next competition (2nd annual). This is a great idea!




are we limited to using Garritan Ambience reverb? Many of us are now in the habit of using SIR, Pristine Space or some other Impulse Reverb plugin, which could make a significant difference in the final mix? You can use convolution reverb.


Gary Garritan

[R. Glenn]

If an entry is anonymously submitted, how would we know who the winner is? :confused: Hehe...it would only have to be anonymous to the actual judges of course. :)

Someone else (i.e. a non-judge) would take care of the incoming submissions and then give each entry a number (which is the only thing the judges would see) that correlates to that specific submitter.

That way he judgements would be free of any non-musical factors such as race, gender, personal background etc. It just seems to be the general way of doing these sorta things (from what I've seen elsewhere). I guess mostly to guarantee that no one is given preferential treatment based on anything else than the actual music?

Cheers

Rodney

[Shazbot]

We will be providing impulses with the next update.
Ooh! That's an interesting nugget. I'm looking forward to trying them out.

And I agree about the anonymous judging. I think that's the best way to go for something like this. Though I wonder how my bribes will be properly administered... :p

[billp]

The competition is for works that will have a duration of between two and eight minutes in duration.

Gary,
Just hypothetically, of course, but if a piece ends up at, say, 8:48, does that meet the 8 minute requirement?

[antirocket scientist]

Hello Gary,
YOu should allow use of the GOS strings in the competition.

[Styxx]

Hello Gary,
YOu should allow use of the GOS strings in the competition.
Hi and welcome to the forum.
I can't see why a product of Garritan cannot be used in this composition. Afterall, you are using GPO and GOS for a representation of your piece submitted. It is not as if the "live" orchestra needs laptops with either or both loaded to perform your work. The bottom line is your written music for the musicians in the orchestra and a conductor’s score.


Yes? No? :)

[Joseph Burrell]

Just a friendly bump and a reminder that contest submissions are due by December 1st. The deadline approaches. I can't wait to see the results of this competition.

God speed and good luck GPO'ers.

[DPDAN]

I can't see why a product of Garritan cannot be used in this composition.



copied from Gary's post #1 of this thread.....

Compositions must use the Garritan Personal Orchestra exclusively. The entry can be done on Mac or PC and in any notation program or sequencer of the entrant\'s choosing.

Just didn't want someone to go through alot of work for nothing.
DPDan :)

[Jun Yamamoto]

• Entries must be received by 5pm on Wednesday, December 1st, 2004. Late entries will not be considered.


Will any electronical submittance system be available?

If not, I have to send out my entry much earlier than the dead line because of shipping time.

Sincerely,

[BlueMax]

EEEeeeeeeeee!!! I can't begin to say how excited I am! I'll be running out to buy a copy of this program ASAP! This contest, the super support, the incredible value and GREAT sound.... why would anyone buy anything else!? :D
Most music software seems to be geared to the popular "pop" music - it's so nice to see something aimed squarely at us "purists" who want REAL orchestral sound to work with!

Oh boyohboyohboy! I can't wait to get the program and start re-scoring some pieces I did years ago with a crummy Roland synth module and a cheap PC sound card! My signature piece is going to sound SO GREAT with this program!! :D :D :D

Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!! :p

[Styxx]

EEEeeeeeeeee!!! I can't begin to say how excited I am! I'll be running out to buy a copy of this program ASAP! This contest, the super support, the incredible value and GREAT sound.... why would anyone buy anything else!? :D
Most music software seems to be geared to the popular "pop" music - it's so nice to see something aimed squarely at us "purists" who want REAL orchestral sound to work with!

Oh boyohboyohboy! I can't wait to get the program and start re-scoring some pieces I did years ago with a crummy Roland synth module and a cheap PC sound card! My signature piece is going to sound SO GREAT with this program!! :D :D :D

Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!! :p

Wow! Control yourself! We don't want any accidents happening around here! :D
Nice to have another excited musician / composer in the family. Get that copy right away so we can start sampling a smidgens or more of your music. Good luck!
:eek:

[BlueMax]

Wow! Control yourself! We don't want any accidents happening around here! :D
Nice to have another excited musician / composer in the family. Get that copy right away so we can start sampling a smidgens or more of your music. Good luck!
:eek:
Hee hee. :) My samples could be sent, but I want them to be contest entries first! After judging, they can be samples. ;)

I just hope my PC is able to keep up with the software! I have a post regarding that... hope I get some responses soon.

Good luck, everyone! Happy composing! :D

[Styxx]

Hi again.
Yes, I read your other post on your present system. I concur that you may be able to use a hand full of instruments at a time but my guess it will bog down quite rapidly. Seeing as GPO relies on Ram, later on you may think about upgrading to a more powerful system with at least the required Ram of 1gig. Then again, I am not an expert nor near. There are a number of reliable people that can further answer your questions with extreme knowledge ability.

I remember doing all my work using a sound module and external sequencer. Several of my own pieces I have tried to convert. The problem always lays in converting midi channels and note (key) to coincide with GPO. It is a bit of a chore but worth it in the long run. Prepare for your past work to sound incredibly different!
Hope I've helped a bit. Good Luck!


Sal

[BlueMax]

I'm not even going to attempt a conversion. The MIDI file was made with SoundFonts, and the Amiga-style "tracker" songs will not convert at all anyways. Best for the software if I just re-do them from scratch anyways - get the most out of the software y'know. ;)

[Styxx]

Thats a big YUP! :D

[Garritan]

The GPO Orchestration Competition Deadline is Approaching!

If you haven't got your entry in for the GPO Orchestration Competition yet, it's time to start! The deadline for entries is three and a half weeks away - entries must be postmarked/posted no later than December 1st. We have already received many entries and it is going to be quite an event.

Remember, in addition to the grand prize of having your work performed by a symphony orchestra, there are many other additional prizes.

Those who have submitted demos on the GPO demo page may enter those compositions if you let us know.

Information and rules can be found at: http://www.garritan.com/competition.html

Please contact me if you have any questions.

Don't miss your chance to have your work performed by a real symphony orchestra!

Gary Garritan

[_Keol]

Oh please, please, please, Gary, tell me that there´ll be another contest after this one!!! there´s no way I can make it for the 2005 contest. :(

*waits eagerly for the news on a future contest* ;)

[SeanHannifin]

I just need a few more days of work on my piece before I send it off! I can't wait to hear other entries, I can't imagine how wonderful they must be!

I too hope for another event like this, it's a great motivator!

[mariobolo]

i may have missed it but is it possible to use other plugins
(reverb, dynamics, etc...) that are not included in the gpo package? i have a powercore and i don't know if i can use it...

there will be an ftp site where you can submit your entrance? otherwise i'll have to consider to ship mine several days before the deadline...

thankyou in advance for any input,

mario

[KevinKauai]

Gary - -

It's getting CLOSE. The official rules say:

Online submissions will also be acceptable and we will make arrangements to upload works to an ftp site.
I've not seen any details and perhaps these should be PLAINLY announced for late-oriented folk since getting anything into the mail for you past November 23 (yikes! 4 days from now) probably won't get there before the cut-off.

i hope this helps others, too ... KevinKauai :)

[Looper]

there will be an ftp site where you can submit your entrance? otherwise i'll have to consider to ship mine several days before the deadline...

thankyou in advance for any input,

mario

This was asked a few days ago. Here's Gary's response on the Sample Libraries forum (the last post in the thread):

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20930

[BlueMax]

Golly-gosh-gee-darn-it-all-to-heck! (Swearing lessons from Billy Graham?)


My software only just arrived last week and the computer parts I bought for GPO turned out to be defective and I had to return them.

All in all, I won't be able to meet the December deadline.... (whimper) Well... there's always next year, right? :o

[Styxx]

Golly-gosh-gee-darn-it-all-to-heck! (Swearing lessons from Billy Graham?)


My software only just arrived last week and the computer parts I bought for GPO turned out to be defective and I had to return them.

All in all, I won't be able to meet the December deadline.... (whimper) Well... there's always next year, right? :o

I took the same course!
Next year is right bud. I'm still woiking on mine taking my time feeling fine red red wine gonna submit it next year on time! :D

[SeanHannifin]

:D I've already started my entry for next year . . . it's much different than what you've heard from me before (or I'd like to think so, at least), and I still got a year's worth of studying and working to do . . . I'll most likely procrastinate though . . . :o

[KevinKauai]

Looper, you said it had been "answered" by GG, but here is the "answer"

We're still trying to work that out. If that is not possible we'll figure out an alternative method. We'll keep you posted. Thanks for your interest.

which seems to be saying "we haven't worked that out" (which is not an "answer").

The reality is that is an electronic method is POSSIBLE, it's time to announce that, please!

:) KevinKauai

[crr]

yes!
Please let's us know if an electronic version is available: i was hoping to have the possibility to work on the piece until friday and then submit it via web on saturday, but if this option is not availble i'll send it via express on saturday.
If the ftp is not available please consider to give a little extension of 1-2 days for people out of the U.S.A. I'll send it from Italy on saturday via express but i'm not sure if it will arrive before the deadline. :(

[Jun Yamamoto]

there will be an ftp site where you can submit your entrance? otherwise i'll have to consider to ship mine several days before the deadline...

thankyou in advance for any input,

mario

mario,

here is Mr. Garritan's answer:

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25814

Sincerely,

[crr]

thank you ery much for the link!
Michele

[Skysaw]

Are there conflicting sumission timetables out there? I could have sworn I recently read that the entries must be postmarked by Dec 1. Now I read again, to find they must be received by that date. I'm sure it must just be me being crazy, so maybe I don't really want the answer to that question.

I guess I'll have to send express after all. I prefer to send an actual CD and paper submission. Is anyone else using the mail?

[Looper]

Looper, you said it had been "answered" by GG, but here is the "answer"

which seems to be saying "we haven't worked that out" (which is not an "answer").

The reality is that is an electronic method is POSSIBLE, it's time to announce that, please!

:) KevinKauai

You're right Kevin, it's not exactly the answer I was looking for either. I can only guess there's been some kind of obstacle in implementing this. I put my entry in the mail yesterday but obviously this isn't a good option for you who are overseas. Perhaps an extension of the deadline can be given?

[KevinKauai]

OKAY!

{Gary:} You can either email or snail mail your submission. If you want you can post it in the Demo section of this forum and indicate in the post that it is a submission for the GPO Competition.
A VARIANT for those of us who value "secrecy"? How about sending you a list of "pick-up" complete URLs in an email plainly marked "Contest Submission" for the necessary files being hosted on our own resources? (And here I mean complete path URLs to the file[s] -- not something like "find it on this page".] I assume the necessary sequencer "proof" files can be ZIP'd or RAR'd for similar pick-up as the MP3s (and, of course, given a complete URL location). Since it was indicated to Jun Yamamoto that a Word document was okay for the other descriptive details, that could be sent in the email detailing the URLs for the MP3 files?

Down to the wire here. I'm not exactly "overseas", Looper -- except that a goodly chunk of the Pacific Ocean separates Hawaii and the west cost of the rest of the USA. Not to be coy, but I've still not decided whether I will enter or not and I always leave decisions such as this to the last possible moment -- in my case, probably November 30th!

I trust this is now truly and well sorted out!

:) KevinKauai

[Joseph Burrell]

I am presently working to set up an FTP site for contest submissions. I should have something in a couple of days.

[Joseph Burrell]

The site should be available in a day or so with instructions on how to submit electronically.

[jesshmusic]

I am considering entering this contest, but I am a new user and I have one question. :)

How much will the quality of the GPO recording weigh in the judges decision? I am new at the use of GPO and have a slow processor, so recording the large orchestra parts is difficult.

Thanks guys, I am having a ton of fun learning GPO!

[Joseph Burrell]

Can be sent via FTP here:

ftp://host259.ipowerweb.com/

login: contest@gpo-uploads.com
pass: uploads

Please also send an email to josephburrell@gpo-uploads.com when you have submitted an entry so I can keep track of what's been sent there.

You can use Internet Explorer to login to the site just copy and past the FTP address into the address bar and hit enter, when it asks for the login enter it exactly as shown here and the same goes for the password.

You may also use any of the popular FTP clients out there.

[sfiks]

You can use Internet Explorer to login to the site just copy and past the FTP address into the address bar and hit enterThank you Joseph!
I get
The page cannot be displayed

[Joseph Burrell]

Hmmmm. It's working okay from here. Try it again and tell me what happens.

You can also try this FTP address:

ftp://gpo-uploads.com

login: contest@gpo-uploads.com
pass: uploads

[sfiks]

You can also try this FTP address:

ftp://gpo-uploads.com (ftp://gpo-uploads.com/)

The same result, JB. Internet Explorer 6.0.2800.1106
It's strange, because for example this ftp://213.189.138.53/strTest.mp3
works finehttp://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Joseph Burrell]

Are you entering the password exactly like it is there (I know, a dumb question.) It has to be entered as contest@gpo-uploads.com or it won't work.

[sfiks]

Are you entering the password exactly like it is there (I know, a dumb question.) It has to be entered as contest@gpo-uploads.com or it won't work.I don't get to that point. Where should I enter the password? Something wrong with my settings?

[Joseph Burrell]

If you have entered the ftp address right and it works, then it will ask you for a username and password.

Try this one:

ftp://contest@gpo-uploads.com

[sfiks]

If you have entered the ftp address right and it works, then it will ask you for a username and password.

Try this one:

ftp://contest@gpo-uploads.com (ftp://contest@gpo-uploads.com/) No pop-up window asking a username/password.

[Joseph Burrell]

Okay, on your desktop there is a place called "my network places." Double click on that and it will bring up a window with any current FTP's you have. Double click on the "Add Network Place" icon. Click next, then select 'Choose another network location.' It will then ask for a network address. Enter "ftp://gpo-uploads.com". Click next. Leave 'Log on anonymously' checked then click next. It will then ask you for a name of the FTP site. Enter whatever you want, and click next again.

It should bring up the ftp by default and it will then ask you for a username and password. Those are usename: contest@gpo-uploads.com password: uploads

[sfiks]

Okay, on your desktop there is a place called "my network places." Double click on that and it will bring up a window with any current FTP's you have. Double click on the "Add Network Place" icon. Click next, then select 'Choose another network location.' It will then ask for a network address. Enter "ftp://gpo-uploads.com". Click next. Leave 'Log on anonymously' checked then click next. It will then ask you for a name of the FTP site. Enter whatever you want, and click next again.

It should bring up the ftp by default and it will then ask you for a username and password. Those are usename: contest@gpo-uploads.com password: uploadsI have 2 computers. 1st with Internet - Windows 98. There is no "my network places" icon on the desktop. 2nd - Windows XP - without Internet. It has the icon and it works as you describe and, of course, it doesn't help me.

[Joseph Burrell]

Email the submission to josephburrell@gpo-uploads.com and I will get it up on the FTP client for Gary to download.

Sorry for all the trouble.

[Joseph Burrell]

Sorry guys, you'll have to use an FTP client to access the FTP. Accessing via Internet Explorer is a 'no' go.

You can find a free FTP client here:

http://www.thefreesite.com/Free_Software/FTP_freeware/

Again, you may use the login and password above to gain entry to the FTP.

All others and anyone having issues with FTP and wish to submit electronically may do so by sending an email here to:

josephburrell@gpo-uploads.com

Emails may not be larger than 10 MB. Sorry.

[Joseph Burrell]

FYI: When using an FTP client you may need to drop the 'ftp://' from the front of the FTP address to get it to work.

[Garritan]

GPO Orchestration Competition Deadline in a Few Days

The GPO Orchestration Competition Deadline is a few days away. This is a great opportunity to have your work performed by a real symphony orchestra! We have received many entries and there is going to be stiff competition.

Information and rules about the GPO Orchestration Competition can be found at: http://www.garritan.com/competition.html

If you haven't submitted your entry in for the GPO Orchestration Competition yet, now is the time to do so! The deadline for entries is three days away - entries must be postmarked/posted no later than December 1st.

Those who have submitted demos on the GPO demo page may enter those compositions if you let us know and send supporting files.

You can email mp3s and supporting documentation, or you can can upload your entry at this FTP address:

ftp://gpo-uploads.com
login: contest@gpo-uploads.com
password: uploads

Please also send an email to josephburrell@gpo-uploads.com when you have submitted an entry so we can keep track of what's been sent there.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Gary Garritan

[R. Glenn]

I never received a reply to my question regarding anonymous submissions, nor any comment regarding what possible measures are taken to guarantee non-musical preferential treatment of contenders (such as race, gender, personal background etc). I find the fact that this question was completely ignored very interesting.

Will this be a contest based on musical merit alone or a mere GPO user popularity contest?

Again some info on what is being done to make this a serious music contest in terms of eliminating any chance of perferential treatment based on anything other than the musical ability of the submitter would be very interesting to see.

So...what measures are being taken to ensure that this contest will be free from any favorizing? Like I said before, once could let the contenders remain completely anonymous to the judges...it can easily be done practically and as far as I know this is the common way to do things like these.

Cheers

Rodney

[Jeff Turner]

Will this be a contest based on musical merit alone or a mere GPO user popularity contest?

Rodney


From the official contest page:

"CRITERIA

• The composition should be either:

(A) an original composition original composition demonstrating a high level of sophistication in composition and orchestration, OR
(B) an orchestration of a classical work in the public domain demonstrating a high level of sophistication in orchestration and arranging. The entrant must ensure that the work is free of any copyright infringement.

• Works will be evaluated with a view towards composition, orchestration, color, balance, technique and other factors. Original compositions composed specifically for this competition will be given primary consideration."

Gary has shown us that he cares about his this community and gives us superb customer service. He is more than fair to everyone. We have no reason to believe that he would run this contest any differently.

Jeff

[R. Glenn]

Gary has shown us that he cares about his this community and gives us superb customer service. He is more than fair to everyone. We have no reason to believe that he would run this contest any differently.

Thank's Jeff, but that was not what I asked about and my question remains unanswered.

What measures will be taken to ensure that this will be a contest based on musical merit alone? What practical problem can there be with having the judges listening to the submissions without knowing who wrote them...and what reasons can there be for not using this method?

[Garritan]

Rodney,

The judges will not know who the composer/entrant is. Entries will be assigned a number and the judges will hear the pieces anonymously without knowing who the entrant is.

Rodney, why would you interject possible discrimination based on race, gender and personal backgound? And how would we even know anyone's race and gender? This is a serious insinuation. And do you really think the contest would be based on a GPO user popularity contest? All entrants are GPO users.

Rodney, are you concerned because you submitted an entry, or are you just looking to spread some holiday cheer?

Gary Garritan


I never received a reply to my question regarding anonymous submissions, nor any comment regarding what possible measures are taken to guarantee non-musical preferential treatment of contenders (such as race, gender, personal background etc). I find the fact that this question was completely ignored very interesting.

Will this be a contest based on musical merit alone or a mere GPO user popularity contest?

Again some info on what is being done to make this a serious music contest in terms of eliminating any chance of perferential treatment based on anything other than the musical ability of the submitter would be very interesting to see.

So...what measures are being taken to ensure that this contest will be free from any favorizing? Like I said before, once could let the contenders remain completely anonymous to the judges...it can easily be done practically and as far as I know this is the common way to do things like these.

Cheers

Rodney

[Joseph Burrell]

Well Rodney, there is only one judge that has anything to do with the forum, the others being members of the musical community. I don't think Gary holds all of the votes so I think its pretty fair to say that forum status will be safely ignored, but I do understand your concern. Keep in mind, though, that there are a lot of GPO users that have never ever ever posted on NS.

[R. Glenn]

Rodney,

The judges will not know who the composer/entrant is. Entries will be assigned a number and the judges will hear the pieces without knowing who the entrant is.Thank's, that was what I was wondering about.


Rodney, why would you interject possible discrimination based on preferential treatment based on race, gender and personal backgound? And how would we even know anyone's race and gender? This is a serious insinuation. And do you really think the contest would be based on a GPO user popularity contest? All entrants are GPO users.I don't think anything. There where no word on whether the submissions would be anonymous or not, therefore any preferential treatment could not be ruled out.

It is not a question about insinuation, merely a question about professionalism regarding the methods of this contest. As far as I knew the professional way is an anonymous handling by the judges...which was exactly what I asked about in my first post (made 07-02-2004 btw), but as I never received any answer the opposite could not be ruled out.


Rodney, are you concerned because you submitted an entry, or are you just looking to spread some holiday cheer?Well, I was thinking about submitting an entry, but only if anonymous judging was ensured. That's why I asked about it, but I never received a proper reply...until now.

Granted, now you are saying that anonymous judging will inded be used, but a bit too late. If there will be another contest, I might participate...but it greatly depends on how this contest turns out, i.e. who wins etc.

Btw...I hope there will be a possibility to listen to all the submissions including the ones that didn't win...just to get a feel for the standard of the judges and their criterias?

I'm not looking to spread anything. I just wanted a simple answer to a simple question.

Anyways, thank's to Gary and Joseph for answering.

Cheers

Rodney

[Joseph Burrell]

I love ya Rodney. :)

I think there is intent on making the submissions available after the competition. At least, I hope so. I would really like to hear everyone's work.

[Garritan]

Rodney, you have been here a while and did not know professionalism was an issue for you. Thank you for your concern about people who may be adversely affected by race and gender discimination but I can assure you that judging will be anonymous and blind.

The judging rules are stated on our Competition page (http://www.garritan.com/competition.html) and are clear:
JUDGING

• Submitted works will be reviewed by a select panel of judges, including the Conductor, the Director of the Moravian Philharmonic, an Emmy winning film composer, an award-winning game composer, a music professor, and other top music industry professionals. The panel of judges may vary to meet the number of entrants.
• Works will be judged anonymously with a view towards composition, orchestration, color, balance, technique. Original compositions composed specifically for this competition will be given primary consideration.
• Judges will abstain from giving contest information or making their opinions public during the competition.
• A majority vote will be used by the judges to determine placements.
• In case of a split vote or in matters of interpreting the Competition rules, Gary Garritan will break any tie or make the final decision regarding the interpretation of the Competition rules.
• The judges reserve the right to to grant more than one grand prize award.
• The decision of the judges will be final and binding and no correspondence can be entered in to.
• No relative of any judge may participate in the competition.

Your post of 7-2-02 was a "just a suggestion" (your words).

How about having the entries anonymously submitted and viewed?

That way the composition would truly speak for itself.

I noticed this seems to be the standard when it comes to other contests of this kind...so it might be a good idea to implement it for this one as well?

Just a suggestion.

Cheers

Rodney
I viewed your post as "just a suggestion" and didn't realize it was a question awaiting an answer for nearly five months. Nevertheless, we had a number of discussions on the GPO chat and mIRC and don't know why you didn't raised this question in an email or PM or post earlier than two days before the deadline.

It is too bad that you missed this opportunity because you were concerned about possible discrimination and judging standards. Maybe next year you can submit an entry now that you are happily assured. http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I don't know yet about a possibility for the general public to listen to all the submissions. There are so many of them and we would have to get permission. We'll see...


Gary Garritan

[R. Glenn]

Gary...

First of all...yeah you're right, my first post was more of a suggestion. However, I specifically asked more than once after that though. I didn't PM since this seemed the correct thread and you posted there somewhat frequently...but it's my bad that I didn't.

Second...hmmm, never noticed the line "Works will be judged anonymously..." before. I guess it's a comment added later. Nevertheless, I apologize for not noticing it until now if it's been there for a while.

Yeah, didn't have much time (if any) to make any music anyways due to studies...so perhaps I would not have been able to produce anything half decent in this time regardless of having known this or not.

Well...perhaps next year as you say. Regardless, it's still going to be interesting to hear the submissions and especially which one wins. I can see that providing listening opportunity to all submission might be very difficult...but a few additional ones besides the ones who come out on top would be interesting.

Anyways, thank's for your time (your's too Joseph), much appreciated.

Cheers

Rodney

[Garritan]

Today is the deadline for the GPO Orchestration Competition.

You may email, ftp or post your entry today.

Good luck!

Gary Garritan

[Garritan]

Last minute composers :D ... only six more hours....:eek:

[Garritan]

The Deadline for the GPO Orchestration Competition Submissions is now over. I hope everyone who wanted to submit an entry got theirs submitted in time.

There were many entrants and we will now gather all the submissions and submit them to the judges. The judges will evaluate the submissions and the winners will be announced at the 2005 NAMM show in January in Anaheim, California. The winners will be also posted on our website and on this forum.

It is going to be a tough decision for the judges as there are so many incredibly talented entrants.

I wish to thank all who participated in the First Annual GPO Orchestration Competition and information about next years competition will be announced in due course.

Gary Garritan

[Styxx]

Soon we shall know who the lucky contestant is. By the way, do any get a chance to turn the wheel for Bob Barker? :D

[Jerry W.]

Soon we shall know who the lucky contestant is. By the way, do any get a chance to turn the wheel for Bob Barker? :D
Well, I know it won't be me - but there is this very VERY small amount of hope in the back of my mind that is there. I just hope it is someone from the Forum. That would be cool!

Jerry Wickham :)

[Styxx]

I know I've said this many times before. If it were in my power I would hire an orchestra to play everyone's music on this forum in one big concert! A big party with all the members and some! :D

[Jerry W.]

I know I've said this many times before. If it were in my power I would hire an orchestra to play everyone's music on this forum in one big concert! A big party with all the members and some! :D

Ah, c'mon, Styxx, I am sure you have enough pocket change to make this happen??? :)

That would be a really cool event, I'd say!

:)

GPO FEST - 2005? We'd have to hire a few orchestras so some could rest while the others played. There's enough music here for a VERY long concert - maybe we should book Woodstock. :)

Jerry :)

[Styxx]

Ah, c'mon, Styxx, I am sure you have enough pocket change to make this happen??? :)

That would be a really cool event, I'd say!

:)

GPO FEST - 2005? We'd have to hire a few orchestras so some could rest while the others played. There's enough music here for a VERY long concert - maybe we should book Woodstock. :)

Jerry :)
Orcas Stock would be more like it.:D

[Jerry W.]

Orcas Stock would be more like it.:D

He he he. What a sight that would be!

As long as we didn't get rained out. :)

[falcon1]

When will the results be published? Wasn't it today? :)

[SeanHannifin]

According to an article from NAMM, the winners will be stated at a press conference given today at 2:00 PM. It's 2:15 PM on the east coast right now, but NAMM is on the other side of the country . . .

Hopefully we'll know by the end of the day though.

[Styxx]

According to an article from NAMM, the winners will be stated at a press conference given today at 2:00 PM. It's 2:15 PM on the east coast right now, but NAMM is on the other side of the country . . .

Hopefully we'll know by the end of the day though.

What, no woid yet? Why I outta! It's 6:00 o'clock on da nose boss. Leave us not be hasty Blab! :)