end of June...

[Oengus73]

ok we are at the end of June , when GS3 will ship ? I'm tired now

[A_Sapp]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/245/baby_crying_closeup.jpg

[Oengus73]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/245/baby_crying_closeup.jpg

UHUHUHUHUHUH,

nice

[Marcussen]

lol

I guess you have missed the 8 page thread called "July" ?

[Oengus73]

lol

I guess you have missed the 8 page thread called "July" ?


yes , totally! Do you really think that I have the time to read 8 forum pages?

Pls resume it

[e_SEB]

yes , totally! Do you really think that I have the time to read 8 forum pages?

The first post in the thread would have suffice. Maybe, even, just the title.

[Oengus73]

The first post in the thread would have suffice. Maybe, even, just the title.

ah ok , so do you say that GS3 will be shipped in July? Ok , but when? Beginning or end of July ? It's a bit different isn't it?
In the Tascam site there is written
"GigaStudio 3 will be shipping end of June, 2004"

[chriscaouette]

If you go to Tascam's Gigastudio site, the very first FAQ is when will GS3 ship.
Chris

[sirbellog]

If you go to Tascam's Gigastudio site, the very first FAQ is when will GS3 ship.
Chris
Thanks for this info, I had not gone to the site for a long time.... And I was still confident that it would be beginning or mid july, based on what synthetic said about RC#1....
Seems there is some delay once more.
I will not complain anyway, it will give time to master the new version of Halion, which is shipping right now (I'm an happy upgrader : ramsave, second strike, alternation, etc... for $99. Hal 3 + Pristine Space will probably have very little to envy from GS3).
But it's true that Tascam gets a bit tiresome in its again-and-again missed schedules...

[Oengus73]

But it's true that Tascam gets a bit tiresome in its again-and-again missed schedules...

Absolutely!
The last time I visited Tascam site (FAQ section) they said it would have been shipped at the end of June, now July , next week they'll say August , next month they'll say September! Come on ! I think this is not professional. If they are not able to give an approx date it is more professional if they don't give any date, when it will be really ready they 'll sell it .

[sirbellog]

I can see that you're a bit upset Oengus...
I don't know your background, so I'll allow myself a bit of history, which may explain (if not excuse) their premature announcement :
when Tascam made the "takeover" on Nemesys (I'm not sure of the term, it's out of memory, I'm not being a native english speaker, so in more basic english : when Tascam bought Nemesys) they promised wonders, like "speedlight development", thanks to the huge potential of tascam's staff and money....
Instead, hundreds (thousands ?) of customers painfully had to wait months, only for a stable XP version which is not totally delivered as of now even if the most annoying problem ("wavestream connexant error") has been remedied (anybody trying to use the editor, or the quicksound database will probably agree : as for myself, adding a new Giga library is a real PITA and always demands between 1 to 3 PC reboots... and I don"t even use the editor anymore : all work is lost because, everytime, Giga falls to sleep forever while "adding v2 information"... even when the edited instrument is already a v2 instrument !!).
Time passed, and while Kontakt and Halion were born and upgrading, Giga remained at sleep, to a point that many once trustful users started to think that it was a dead product.
NAMM after NAMM, Messe after Messe, nothing......
So Tascam had to announce something as soon as the new version development was advanced enough to allow it. They believed the time has come, so did they.
But in fact they must have met unexpected problems since, of every kind : software, partnership, licensing maybe, etc, etc.
-------
To make it short, I do believe we will have a GS3, but when ?
Well, it's safer to remain vague, like in a time range going from next week to end of december, who knows, who can say ?
Tascam is now famous for making loud and enthusiastic announcements, then for disapearing in SilenceLand whn things do not go as expected.
-------
So, just be patient, or look for another streaming software !

[Oengus73]

I can see that you're a bit upset Oengus...
I don't know your background, so I'll allow myself a bit of history, which may explain (if not excuse) their premature announcement :
when Tascam made the "takeover" on Nemesys (I'm not sure of the term, it's out of memory, I'm not being a native english speaker, so in more basic english : when Tascam bought Nemesys) they promised wonders, like "speedlight development", thanks to the huge potential of tascam's staff and money....
Instead, hundreds (thousands ?) of customers painfully had to wait months, only for a stable XP version which is not totally delivered as of now even if the most annoying problem ("wavestream connexant error") has been remedied (anybody trying to use the editor, or the quicksound database will probably agree : as for myself, adding a new Giga library is a real PITA and always demands between 1 to 3 PC reboots... and I don"t even use the editor anymore : all work is lost because, everytime, Giga falls to sleep forever while "adding v2 information"... even when the edited instrument is already a v2 instrument !!).
Time passed, and while Kontakt and Halion were born and upgrading, Giga remained at sleep, to a point that many once trustful users started to think that it was a dead product.
NAMM after NAMM, Messe after Messe, nothing......
So Tascam had to announce something as soon as the new version development was advanced enough to allow it. They believed the time has come, so did they.
But in fact they must have met unexpected problems since, of every kind : software, partnership, licensing maybe, etc, etc.
-------
To make it short, I do believe we will have a GS3, but when ?
Well, it's safer to remain vague, like in a time range going from next week to end of december, who knows, who can say ?
Tascam is now famous for making loud and enthusiastic announcements, then for disapearing in SilenceLand whn things do not go as expected.
-------
So, just be patient, or look for another streaming software !

You have been very clear, thanks . I 'll look for another sampler , Kontakt seems to be very good, I'll try it. Sorry for Tascam, what a pity!

[Bruce A. Richardson]

I would not base my decision upon the post you quoted. With all due respect for people's feelings, some of the statements there are not based in fact, but in assumption--which might be understandable, but is nonetheless inaccurate.

GigaStudio 3.0 is extremely far along, and surpasses any available technology at this time. It would be a pity to allow what amounts to guesswork to affect your decision.

[sirbellog]

Mr Richardson,
the only "guesswork" I did is what I stated as that, exactly : I don't know (and nobody knows) the exact release date of GS3 : tomorrow, next year ? anybody's guess, since tascam does not cease to push this date away, month after month...
---
As for myself, I sincerely hope it will be july, but I would not bet my only one head upon that, that's it.
---
The rest of the story is true facts, based upon my own experience as a registered Giga user for several years, and upon the experience of many other users who posted their various misfortunes on several forums, and i challenge you to prove otherwise :
- the XP versions with connexant error, which plagued so many users's lives for months, and turned out to be a -at last curable with the very last update- bug in the Giga code even if tascam denial was the rule for numerous months,
- the 2 years or more during which tascam did not bring the least evolution to GS,
- the numerous complains about the unpredictable way Gigaeditor behaves,
- the numerous complains about the various problems a simple/single update in a hard disk library brings to many users with the quicksound database....
I'm very comfortable saying this, because if I was alone, i could think I have a faulty system, or hallucinations. But it happened to so many people.... and my system is 100% clean for all others applications...
Despite all this, I'm still here, waiting for GS3, while many people turned their back and went to Kontakt or Halion, or virtual instruments, long ago.
I use Halion a lot, love it, but for some libraries, the accuracy issues of the conversion makes that I still use Giga, and I will probably keep on using it for a while, because of that.
I do hope that Giga 3 will be a great update, but it still is to be confirmed. As for now, even Hal v2 gives me good results, except for the conversion issues I mentioned... and Hal 3 IS shipping NOW, with many features that GS3 claims to have : alternation, etc...
So please spare us your doctrinal speech, i'm fair with every sampler here. What I said is that now, Tascam has still to deliver, AND to get closer to their userbase, to regain all confidence which once was the rule for Nemesys sofware... look, we the users, for now, we do not have even a single information about the exact way we will be allowed to upgrade, we do not know for sure if the upgrade and the full version will be simultaneous. I sent a nice email to tascamsales more than 4 weeks ago, I did not receive any reply, not even a "sorry, we cannot say anything for now".
We cannot say that Tascam is tender with us.

[Bill]

> So please spare us your doctrinal speech

Just what I was thinking about YOUR rants, present and previous…

[Oengus73]

> So please spare us your doctrinal speech

Just what I was thinking about YOUR rants, present and previous…


why do you say this without explaning your words? Tell me pls , I want to understand as much as possible.


Then I would to like to know if GS3 will be really released at the end of July or not, I hope that someone at Tascam will answer .

[A_Sapp]

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[Bill]

Few software companies want to make promises about when a given piece of software will be released, because seldom is software released when promised. Go to the Kontakt forum, and you’ll read all the same gripes. Go to any forum.

Palermo? Ahhhh Sicily is one of the most beautiful places I’ve travel in. Segesta, Solonente, Agragento. Hope to return someday.

[synthetic]

Geez, I've got one thread complaining that I don't post enough, and another thread asking why I post bad info. I think you've answered each other's questions. ;) I post the best info I can, whenever I'm allowed to share it.

We're still feeling good about July. I've asked the web guy to update the Giga page, I guess I'll have to bug him again.

[Sovereign]

We're still feeling good about July.Crap, I guess we can kiss July goodbye now. :D

[chrispybac]

Crap, I guess we can kiss July goodbye now. :D
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! :( :o :eek: :confused: ;)

[Joseph Burrell]

Few software companies want to make promises about when a given piece of software will be released, because seldom is software released when promised. Go to the Kontakt forum, and you’ll read all the same gripes. Go to any forum.

Palermo? Ahhhh Sicily is one of the most beautiful places I’ve travel in. Segesta, Solonente, Agragento. Hope to return someday.

Agreed, I don't know many companies that announce ship dates for software anymore because its crazy to do so. Then you get what's happening here. These guys are surely doing everything they can to get this thing out there with the least possible bugs and best quality possible and all they hear is everyone griping that they had to wait 2 extra months. Then it'll come out and everyone will be hugging their d@mn computers and kissing their Giga boxes and feeling stupid that they got on here and ranted like this. And hey, if you like Halion better stick with it and quit ruining Synthetics day. He's been very amiable so far and very giving with his time by coming here and condoling all of you.

Tell Tascam that next time they should do what VSL does and just slap a freakin Coming Soon on the website and don't give anyone any ship dates until the CD's have been pressed and are ready for shipment.

[Christo7]

I don't really know how Tascam does it actually? Keep their customers around that is! with their Flippant attitude, totally lack of any customer support, snails pace bug fix/upgrades they really shouldn't have a customer base left. I guess people actually like this??

[Joseph Burrell]

I don't really know how Tascam does it actually? Keep their customers around that is! with their Flippant attitude, totally lack of any customer support, snails pace bug fix/upgrades they really shouldn't have a customer base left. I guess people actually like this??

No one likes this, but this is the same with the majority of software/hardware manufacturers. I admit there are a few companies that actually care for their customers, but that's a dwindling few. That's life in the business; more money, less compassion. Unfortunately, that's the way it is.

[mal7]

These guys are surely doing everything they can to get this thing out there with the least possible bugs and best quality possible and all they hear is everyone griping that they had to wait 2 extra months. Then it'll come out and everyone will be hugging their d@mn computers and kissing their Giga boxes and feeling stupid that they got on here and ranted like this. And hey, if you like Halion better stick with it and quit ruining Synthetics day. He's been very amiable so far and very giving with his time by coming here and condoling all of you.

.

My sentiments exactly Joseph...well said!

[KicknGuitar]

Yes, We all know, that soon, everyone will want to be a Polygigamist, Hal and Kon followers included.

[Christo7]

Man, well said Lee!

[andyt]

I'm currently reading Stephen Ambrose's book about D-Day, and all the months of feverish expectations on both sides about about when it would happen ...

anyone for G-Day ??

[Per Lichtman]

Okay, I'll admit I'm very, very frusterated. Don't get me wrong, I love working with GigaStudio and the qualities of the libraries available. I'm even getting job offers to setup GigaStudio systems for everyone from electronic musicians to classical composers in academia. The purported features of the new version of GS are also intriguing. What frusterates me is that Tascam's misleading shipping date info. (and I'm not accusing them of doing this deliberately) have effectively taken several thousand dollars of my money and that of my company hostage.

What do I mean by this? Every year for the last couple of years my company has spent several thousand dollars on digital music, hardware, software and sample libraries. One of our specialties is the ability to rapidly digest and incorporate new tools into our arsenal to the point where I can often have impressive demos ready for my boss the very same day a new piece of software arrives. As such, I discussed with my boss our plans for summer production after this year's NAMM show concluded with a heavy emphasis on GS 3.

I told my boss that, among other things, we could hold of on purchasing more souncards to handle streams from GigaStudio because GS3 would have ReWire capability. I told him that we could hold of on getting Waves IR-1 because the included GigaPulse reverb would serve us excellently. Several things of this nature were brought up and approved and mixing for a new CD this summer was greenlighted with the expectation of a GS 3 release around the time of the original projected launch. Even had the product been released at the begining of June we would have been able to effectively utilize it for most of the project but now...

There have been so many times on this project where the promised features of GS3 are so painfully necessary since I don't have the aid of the products I had originally budgeted to purchase. There have been several times where the Quicksound database issues have come to stare me straight in the face as I gradually lost more and more time to working around flaws in the database system that still remain uncorrected.

I hope that GS 3 does in fact make the July release date and that it is a wonderful product when it does. I might even still buy it. But the problems that Tascam's slipping release dates have created for me and my company are very real and I am not at all happy about it.

Sincerely,
Per Lichtman
VP
Beyond Belief Music Inc.

[jsaras]

Go to the Kontakt forum, and you’ll read all the same gripes.


Not true. Kontakt releases updates all the time. They didn't stop development for three years and expect their customer base to stick around. I've switched to Kontakt.

[silverrrspoon]

Not true. Kontakt releases updates all the time. They didn't stop development for three years and expect their customer base to stick around. I've switched to Kontakt.

Any possibilities for kontakt and VSL, or would that be a suicide :confused: I have heard that kontakt can disk stream, but does it work well? How about gig files with kontakt, is there any spare? For me, GS is just a bunch of problems, getting all violince out soon - still no GS3.

[kitekrazy]

Any possibilities for kontakt and VSL, or would that be a suicide :confused: I have heard that kontakt can disk stream, but does it work well? How about gig files with kontakt, is there any spare? For me, GS is just a bunch of problems, getting all violince out soon - still no GS3.

The thing I dislike the most about NI products is they eat up a lot of CPU and I question the stability of some of their software. For me the current version of Gigastudio has been quite stable.
Another sampler I beginning to like is VSampler. It's no Gigastudio but it is multi format and they are adding more formats. I wouldn't recommend it for orchestra work.

[fabricioz]

Tell Tascam that next time they should do what VSL does and just slap a freakin Coming Soon on the website and don't give anyone any ship dates until the CD's have been pressed and are ready for shipment.

What I do think about Tascam's Giga Web Site is that it's too many marketing and lack of useful information. Ok, we see how wonderful Gigastudio 3 will be, but navigating through the web site I feel it's a ghost product, because I don't see any proof that it exists or it will.

I remember I saw the web site a looong time ago and a month later, I asked Tascam when it will be released. After 3 weeks, I got a 2 word answer: "in april", simple like that.

I give them all support and I really expect Gigastudio 3 to be excellent (because I had so many trouble with 2 and 2.5v that I'm affraid of installing it again in my computer), but this kind of web site is not good for their image. We want a serious vehicle of information, which can provide us the info we really need, not only to say that their product will be the 8th wonder and bla bla bla.

I really rather wait less time for a very good product than forever for a perfect one.

[fabricioz]

Not true. Kontakt releases updates all the time. They didn't stop development for three years and expect their customer base to stick around. I've switched to Kontakt.

And in three years, they released several other softwares, updates and libraries...