Gigastudio VST Adapter Released

[audiophile]

http://www.fx-max.com/

[Hardy Heern]

What a great company....What a great guy!

Who else has brought out such a load of clever and useful progs?

Frank

[Alexcremers]

I see that the system requirements are Windows 2000/XP. So this really doesn't work with Windows 98 SE?

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Alex Cremers

[John DeBorde]

anyone know if you can teleport a gigapc into VSTack?

it's not listed as a host, and my sequencer runs on a mac. can't wait for cross-platform support!

tanks,

[Christo7]

anyone download the demo version? anybody using it yet?

[Scott Cairns]

So, it looks like if you use FX-Teleport and the Giga VST Adapter, you wont need Giga Teleport at all. From what I can understand on the site;

Giga Teleport = run Giga only, not VST's across a network.
FX Teleport = run VST's only across a network.
Giga VST Adapter = run Giga in VST mode on the same machine only.

Giga VST Adapter (GVA) and FX-Teleport together = Run Giga and any VST's on the host or across the network. In this case, you wont need Giga Teleport.

Hope I have this right. :confused:

[tonylombardi]

I've downloaded the trial and tried to use it, but can't get it to work yet... Need to figure it out and read the manual more I guess.

[Marcussen]

Please help a fellow music maker...

Currently I have 1 sequencer computer which also has my VI's and then 3 Giga systems. I bounce these four seperate wave files into one for each peice...

a) Will this new software be of any benefit to me? b) Can it make me avoid bouncing?

[Marcussen]

Ok... ive downloaded the demo. Got it to work.. FAR easier than MOL.

However when I exported I still only got the VI sound on my DAW and not the sounds from GS. Which means I would still have to Bounce.

However from what I gather on the website I should be able to avoid bouncing.

If not, then how does it differ from MOL (apart from being far easier to set up)?

[JBacal]

I downloaded the demo. After some fiddling, I got it to work within SONAR 3, but only for a few minutes. Then I would hear a loud crackling noise! After that, no sound at all. The only way to get sound again was to reboot the computer. This bug happens repeatedly on my system. Frustrating.

Any one else having a similar problem?

--Jay

[Hans Grubner]

Fiddling and fiddling the trial... "pfff"

There is no GigaVST in CubaseSX or something else ... but Gigastudio shows the new driver..

(Attention: You need trial fxteleport 1.0.3!)

[Musica142]

So is there a VST host emulator or something that would make Giga Teleport usable when I'm composing in Sibelius 3 on my DAW using the samples from my two Gigastudio machines?

[jkerr]

I just tried the Giga Teleport Trial and I really like it. My problem is that I had to set the latency to 1024 - host buffer 512, which I do not prefer. I am only trying it on one master and one slave with Sonar 3 Pro. I don't have a gigabit connection (which could be affecting this), but I am not sure how my 100mbit connection will hold up in a real test. Any thoughts to optimize this or thoughts about how it will stand up? Maybe someone has tested it more intensely...

Currently I use MOL, but the problem is bouncing every instrument separately for mixdown. This should solve that though if it will stand up to the task.

Good job Max! The major ups is that you don't have to have a sound card to run Gigastudio now. I can add some cheap pcs to run my current libraries and focus on nicer systems for GS3 (if I deem it necessary).

[Alex Temple]

This is great! I'm running the demo on Windows ME and even though it wasn't one of the supported operating systems, it's running perfectly in SONAR 2. I did have to manually install the Giga Bridge using the Add New Hardware wizard, though.

The only problem I'm having so far is that the CPU meter in GigaStudio is going haywire - furtunately it's just the meter, the actual performance has been rock solid so far.

Thanks Max! :)

[JBacal]

I found that switching from ASIO driver mode in Sonar 3 to WDM has improved my situation. The sound no longer just stops working after a few minutes. However, I'm still getting frequent but random loud clicking sounds. These clicks sometimes even get "recorded" when bouncing tracks. Strange. And ideas? Maybe my processor isn't powerful enough, but the CPU meter in Sonar 3 indicates only about 12% usage.

--Jay

[tonylombardi]

I got it running on the same computer but can't get it to work with fx teleport. Anyone get it to work with that yet? I'm using Cubase SX 2. The Install effects isn't recognizing the giga vst.dll on my slave.

[jkerr]

I found that switching from ASIO driver mode in Sonar 3 to WDM has improved my situation. The sound no longer just stops working after a few minutes. However, I'm still getting frequent but random loud clicking sounds. These clicks sometimes even get "recorded" when bouncing tracks. Strange. And ideas? Maybe my processor isn't powerful enough, but the CPU meter in Sonar 3 indicates only about 12% usage.

--Jay


The clicks occur due to having the latency too low or your network not being able to handle the amount of volume you are using. It sucks, but increase the latency and that should get rid of the clicks. I think I am going to purchase a gigabit switch and gigabit network cards now that I finally have my hands on this software.

[P de Caumette]

The Giga VST adapter definetly allows you not to have to bounce your giga tracks. You should see each giga midi track listed in your mixer and get sound in your master computer from your slaves. When bouncing I usually set the latency to the max just to make sure I get the best quality possible (and avoid any small click)
This application runs very smoothly in SX 2.x, I haven't tried it with others systems.
Scott, yes, if you have FX Teleport and GVA, you will not need Giga Teleport :)

[unconscious sound]

I got the demo version up and running. Is anyone here using the demo with VSL files? I'm trying to get some legato instruments to work, and it's not routing through the Performance Tool properly. Any ideas on routing setups?

[griels]

Didn't work initially, but after tweaking the buffer settings it came to life... Odd, I could hear sound coming out of Gigastudio from SOMEWHERE (I already had the GSIF driver set to 'FX-MAX Giga Bridge', but no reading on the level meters in Cubase until I did this.

Anyway, once I enabled 'Bounce', bouncing worked very well, and of course I could route it like any other VST instrument. Congratulations to Max!

I gather it's not possible to get faster than realtime bouncing with either GS2 or GS3 (even with Rewire)? Is this correct?

[andyt]

works beautifully. no latency, no glitches, no loss of sound. (cubase sx 2.0)

I find I can route the midi to Gigastudio either;
- directly (to a nemesys port)
- via GST
- via VSL midi router (on THRU)
- or via VSL midi-router via GST (on THRU) _ haven't tried legato yet

Hence, not sure why GVA requires me to map my VST midi port to my Giagstudio port. Why does midi have to go via GVA at all ?


only unexpected behaviour .... if I solo one of the GVA audio channels ... EVERYTHING is muted ... I hear nothing. But then I suppose it is muting all of the MIDI channels too, so no midi is being sent to the GigaStudio ... hence no sounds being triggered.

[andyt]

Now I can play my instruments with a decent reverb in real-time !!! Yahooooo. Even with SIR .... (minor clicking problem when convolution is running).

[Marcussen]

Got bouncing to work... now I need to try out this thing with VSL :)

[andyt]

In my wamirack I'm getting by with 256. No problems.

[Marcussen]

I'm getting hanging notes and notes which arent herad from time to time... especialy when playing fast or holding down multiple keys... anyone else have this...

Is there a solution?

UPDATE:

My CPU is also fluxating between 80-100% on the giga machine... clues?

[JBacal]

I have been trying numerous buffer sizes including the maximum and I still get lots of loud clicks. I get the click both playing live and "recorded" into bounced tracks. I am running an intel pentium4 1.4 Ghz on a single computer. I don't get any clicks when I don't use the Giga vst adapter and just run everything through my Delta Audiophile sound card. Anyone else experiencing these loud clicks?

Thanks,
Jay

[Kirstenb]

I have been trying numerous buffer sizes including the maximum and I still get lots of loud clicks. I get the click both playing live and "recorded" into bounced tracks. I am running an intel pentium4 1.4 Ghz on a single computer. I don't get any clicks when I don't use the Giga vst adapter and just run everything through my Delta Audiophile sound card. Anyone else experiencing these loud clicks?

Thanks,
Jay




What happens if you cut it down further?

I've been reliably running my four PC's with RME cards at 64 with no problem. I'd hate to add latency.

Lee Blaske


Lee I tried both and my RME card performs extremely better at 64 running with Cubase. With Teleport/VST I was experiencing higher CPU load and was trying to connect Finale to all this. My CPU usage jumped to around 70-80%.Alsoexperiencing loud clicks and pops etc. Tried Gigabit Lan on P4C800, then reverted to a dedicated Giga Switch from Linksys. I think its too much stuff for my system to handle -trying to sequence/notate/and run audio at same time.

Just reinstalled my RME cards and am back to low latencies -low CPU usage. My audio card performs much better. In my opinion an audio interface is still a better solution. If it aint broke dont fix it!

Kirsten

[tonylombardi]

I fixed my problem, which was that I couldn't see the server Giga VST A or B in Cubase SX 2. Just as a warning to other people who might have it, the GVA installer automatically installs to the default VST folder in the windows registry. In my case this was the wrong folder. It was a Logic folder, which I have in my computer but am not using now. I did a search for "giga vst" and found the .dlls, then copied them to cubase sx 2 and now it's working. Max said he'll consider adding an option to chose the folder to install to. This is a separate folder than the one it does ask for in the install.

[kitekrazy]

I haven't been able to get it to work yet after following the instructions.

[JonFairhurst]

Tried Gigabit Lan on P4C800, then reverted to a dedicated Giga Switch from Linksys. I think its too much stuff for my system to handle -trying to sequence/notate/and run audio at same time.

Kirsten,

Would you describe your setup? I'm surprised that you didn't get good results with Gigabit Lan on a P4C800. For instance, are both your PCs P4C800 based? Did you use a short, high-quality, Gigabit compatible cable? How fast are your CPUs? How much memory? Which sequencer/notator? Any tweaks applied on your computers?...

I haven't tried GS-VST yet, and I'm interested in knowing where it breaks, performance-wise.

Thanks in advance for any details that you can provide.

-Jon Fairhurst

[Scott Cairns]

Do gigabit network cards work for audio (i.e. does the PCI bus bottleneck cause problems), or do you really need to get a gigabit motherboard?

Regarding gigabit switches, do the specs (especially buffer size) make much difference for this type of application?

Lee BlaskeHi Lee, I'm running a Gigabit switch. one onboard Gigabit adapter (in the host motherboard) and two Gigabit NIC cards on my two server machines.

I haven't tried GVA yet, but upgrading to Gigabit made a huge difference for me. I generally run Kontakt and EWQLSO Gold over the network at 512 samples, 16 bit. My host card is set to 256 samples. I think latency is not the only peerformance advantage when it comes to Gigabit, you also get to stream more physical data as you have more bandwidth (fatter pipe) between machines.

For those wanting to stream serious amounts of audio (or video) you need Gigabit. You also need Cat6 cabling, not Cat5E and definetely not Cat5.

It also helps to reduce your network range of addresses down. For example;

DAW-1
10.10.10.10
255.255.248

DAW-2
10.10.10.11
255.255.248

DAW-3
10.10.10.12
255.255.248

[jkerr]

Do gigabit network cards work for audio (i.e. does the PCI bus bottleneck cause problems), or do you really need to get a gigabit motherboard?

Regarding gigabit switches, do the specs (especially buffer size) make much difference for this type of application?

Lee Blaske

Hey Lee,

The pci card won''t bottleneck because it gets 1054Mbit/sec while the gigabit lan only achieves 1000Mbit/sec. It uses the full pci buss though. I have integrated gigabit controllers and will have to purchase 1 more pci gigabit card and switch. I just was cheap on spending $100 more. That sounds stupid now that I typed it. Anyway, as for the buffer sizes, I am running an Athlon 64 3200+ as my DAW and have to set the card latency to 512-1024 (maudio 410 pci) during mixdown anyway to accomodate all of the effects I have (my primary work is country with string arrangements, etc.). Thus, my need for HEAVY fx processing and higher latency in the end. However, when recording, I leave the card on 256. The gigateleport latency bounces between 1024 and 1536 just to not get any crackle on a few drum tracks. MOL has proved to be the better option except for mixdowns. I am stumped if the gigabit doesn't solve it. I am not streaming enough to wipe out a 100Mbit lan connection I wouldn't think. I will do some more investigating though. I tried FX teleport with some of the GPO sounds and had the same problem. My card is on 96k. I only record through SPDIF on live audio through a Grace Pre and A/D. Maybe the "conversion" to 96k messes with it.......

[xav93]

Very usefull soft!!!

I was having problems to use GS with my MOTU 828 drivers since i changed my config (only since i changed it, because before, on my former config, I've never had any problem...). But now, with this GVA, my GS works perfectly in my Cubase, even with kontakt. And now, we can apply all the effects you want... Great! Great! Great!

The only thing I would change is the FX-Max Giga Brige sample rate, to set it at 48000kHz. But I can't do it. GVA Demo limitations?

Thanks you SO much!!!

[Joseph Burrell]

I just have to say that this thing is awesome. I had a little trouble setting it up right, but once I actually took the time to look at the manual I was set. This thing rocks. I just wish it opened Giga as a VST, but I'm not complaining. I really like being able to use all my sampling programs in one manner and can output the files direct from Cubase. It was great having Kontakt, Giga, and GPO running side by side with no conflicts. I can't wait to try it out with Giga 3, but I'm almost sold on this program. Excellent work guys.

[aplanchard]

I currently have my Giga PC light-piped into my 828, which goes into my Mac running DP4.12. Anyone using the adapters with more than one Giga PC and then getting it into Digital Performer?

[Clink]

Is anyone using this on a single computer having great results using decent latency settings? I've been running some simple tests with Giga Piano, using Cubase SX 2 as the host. It works on my P4 2.0, 1.5 GB RAM, Audiophile 2496, but I get clicks in the audio at DMA buffer settings of 256 and better. Cranking up the DMA buffer reduces the noise, but the latency is enough to be irritating. Anyone have any suggestions short of setting up a dedicated Giga machine...I'm totally new to GigaStudio...

[mike harper]

Lee I tried both and my RME card performs extremely better at 64 running with Cubase. With Teleport/VST I was experiencing higher CPU load and was trying to connect Finale to all this. My CPU usage jumped to around 70-80%.Alsoexperiencing loud clicks and pops etc. Tried Gigabit Lan on P4C800, then reverted to a dedicated Giga Switch from Linksys. I think its too much stuff for my system to handle -trying to sequence/notate/and run audio at same time.

Just reinstalled my RME cards and am back to low latencies -low CPU usage. My audio card performs much better. In my opinion an audio interface is still a better solution. If it aint broke dont fix it!

Kirsten
i am about at the conclusion this is really beta rushed to meet the release of g3.0 if dont get decent results soon my money goes to a card