Today's stupid question

[gardibolt]

How exactly does one use the mod wheel with GPO Studio? I've been using the program in combination with Overture SE and don't understand how you would input with the mod wheel unless you were playing from a keyboard. What basic operation am I completely missing here?

[Joseph Burrell]

You cannot enter continuous mod wheel data in Overture, but there are ways to control it. All the options/markings in the dynamics menu are able to control mod wheel data along with other dynamics. Examples being (ppp, pp, fz, fff, decres, cres, hairpins, etc.)

[gardibolt]

OK, so if you're using a notation program or sequencer, a mod wheel is useless?

[Karl Garrett]

OK, so if you're using a notation program or sequencer, a mod wheel is useless?

Perhaps in a notation program, but certainly not in a sequencer. If you are playing the parts in live, it is of immense value.

Karl

[Jerry W.]

OK, so if you're using a notation program or sequencer, a mod wheel is useless?

Hey Gardibolt,
No, in a SEQUENCER, like Cubase, Logic or Digital Performer- the Mod wheel is VITAL.

But the Modwheel doesn't work when entering notes in Overture or Finale. But you can go back in those notation programs and edit that data in. (i.e. crescendos, etc.) So that it will PLAY BACk the correct modwheel data when playing your notation.

Does that help clarify?

Jerry :)

[gardibolt]

Ummm, not really. If I'm entering the notes in a sequencer (as opposed to playing the part), how does that interact with the mod wheel? I don't see the difference between that and a notation program.

[Tom Hopkins]

Gardibolt,

Once the notes are entered you can go back and “draw in” the necessary controller data in the graphic display of your sequencer, shaping the dynamics of your parts. You can enter all types of data conveniently after-the-fact: mod wheel (cc1), sustain pedal (cc64), portamento (cc20), etc.

One piece of advice though: Do yourself a favor and eventually add a controller keyboard of some kind. There are many very inexpensive choices out there that give you mod wheel, pitch wheel, and many assignable sliders/knobs. I’ve got an M-Audio MK449c that does the job nicely as a secondary controller and it only cost about $190. These make the job of working with GPO considerably easier and more intuitive at the same time. The next update will have additional MIDI controllers so the advantages of a controller keyboard with assignable sliders become even more pronounced.

Tom

[gardibolt]

Tom,

The reason I was asking was because I was trying to figure out whether such an acquisition would do me any good, since I just use sequencer & notation programs. But so far the answer seems to be no, so I'm not sure why I should bother. What am I missing? The information in this thread seems contradictory. For what we do, playing the piece in is not an option.

Mark

[88fingers]

Hi Gardibolt,

I don't know if this will help you out but, I just built a web page with a short Mod Wheel tutorial for Overture.

http://www.pac007.com/Modwheel.htm

Good luck.

[gardibolt]

Pete/88 Fingers:

MANY, MANY THANKS for that little tutorial. That's exactly the kind of extremely useful (not to mention critical) thing that should be in the documentation for these programs, but isn't. Simple, to the point, and tells you exactly what you need to know in practical terms.

[Hardy Heern]

Gardibolt,

Once the notes are entered you can go back and “draw in” the necessary controller data in the graphic display of your sequencer, shaping the dynamics of your parts. You can enter all types of data conveniently after-the-fact: mod wheel (cc1), sustain pedal (cc64), portamento (cc20), etc.

One piece of advice though: Do yourself a favor and eventually add a controller keyboard of some kind. There are many very inexpensive choices out there that give you mod wheel, pitch wheel, and many assignable sliders/knobs. I’ve got an M-Audio MK449c that does the job nicely as a secondary controller and it only cost about $190. These make the job of working with GPO considerably easier and more intuitive at the same time. The next update will have additional MIDI controllers so the advantages of a controller keyboard with assignable sliders become even more pronounced.

Tom
Ahaa!!! I wondered why Gary posed the controller post.....Thinks; I must look at this again when I know what the parameters are......

Frank

[88fingers]

Thanks for the feed back gardibolt.:) I'm glad I could be of service.

Personally I'm looking forward to Joseph's tutorial on the use of voices and other fun stuff in overture. I can always learn something. First day I put up my tutorial he tuaght me something about editing voices in the graphics window. What a guy.:)

[JMCannon]

88Fingers:

An excellent tutorial about drawing in Mod Wheel data in Overture.

I don't have this problem because I use DP 4 and a keyboard mod wheel, but I must congratulate you on the style and presentation of your short tutorial for Overture users. It is almost "spoon-fed" and leaves little doubt as to what to do to produce CC#1 data.

I would love to read a tutorial, if any exist, regarding the conversion of the GPO MIDI track data into audio tracks and finally into Mp3 format. I have had excellent help so far in setting up GPO on my Mac and using DP 4, but I'm a little confused about how to get the GPO MIDI tracks into audio tracks. I have only done MIDI for the last 12 years, no audio. Finally, I would like to be able to make an Mp3 file for list distribution.

Any helpful tutorials would be appreciated.

[88fingers]

Hi JM,

Thank you very much for the feed back on my little tutorial. I really apreciate input on my hard work.:D

Any way. To help you turn GPO into audio, do you know how to capture a wave file?

I think the first thing that you should do is make sure you have GPO STUDIO (http://www.garritan.com/downloads.html).
Once you have it you can click on record at the top of the screen, between "Settings and "Help". Then click on "Record to file". Once there, Click on Browse, to put the wave file you are about to capture, into the folder of your choice.
After that, click record, then start playing your GPO piece. When done click stop.
The Wave file is now in the folder that you saved to. You can now open this same wave file in your favorite Wave file editor. Sonar, Adobie audition ,Sound forge, etc....

In your favorite wave editor you can usually go to "File " then "Save file as" then pick which format you want to save to, .wav, .mp3, .wma etc. This can usaully be found just under the box where you enter the name of the file.

I hope this gets you started in the right direction. You probably allready knew most of this. But I thought I would take a chance and explain it all.

Thanks again for the positive feed back.

[88fingers]

Hi Again Jm,

I was reading a little bit on the forum and realised I do not know what Dp4 is.

I think that this thread maybe a little more relavent than what I just posted.


http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23226

Don't know if this helps. I'm sure someone else is familiar with DP4 and knows how to capture audio.

Good luck.

[JMCannon]

[QUOTE=88fingers]Hi Again Jm,

I was reading a little bit on the forum and realised I do not know what Dp4 is.

Thanks 88fingers. I am exploring the "freeze" file approach which is a new addition to DP4. After that, with reverb/pan tweaking, I think I can bounce to disk then create an Mp3 using iTunes (Mac).

Thanks for your help.

[gardibolt]

And here's today's stupid question.

Using GPO Studio with Overture SE. I can't get any percussion sound. I have one staff for bass drum and one for snare. I have player 5, track 2 for bass drum in both Kontakt and the track window for Overture. I have player 5, track 1 for snare in both Kontakt and the track window for Overture. I'm notating on the lines that Overture says to for these respective instruments (bottom line for the bass drum, and 2d space from the top for the snare). But I'm getting no sound from them (though everything else plays fine). What boneheaded thing am I doing wrong?

And stupid question #2, since I didn't ask one yesterday--the contrabassoon range listed in Overture is up to F3 (which is the top note of my piece). But GPO Studio's contrabassoon seems to only go up to D3. Is that right? Bug or feature?

Mark

[jazmaan]

I'm also new to all of this, only having owned GPO for less than a week. Today I composed a song in Finale using GPO, then I exported a midi file. Then I imported the midi file into Cubase. Then I reloaded the same Garritan instruments as VSTi's that I had been using in Finale. Then I soloed each track and overdubbed Mod Wheel and Pedal changes onto each track individually. Then I loaded Ambience onto the Cubase master mixer track. Then I exported a stereo wave file from Cubase. Then I loaded the stereo wave file into Sound Forge/Wave Hammer and "mastered for 16-bit". Then I burned a CD from Sound Forge.

I have no idea if that is the most efficient way to do all this, but it did work. Any suggestions?