Updates on Stylus RMX

[Eric Doggett]

Hey guys -

Noticed that Sept is the time frame posted for rmx. Is that still on track? If so, when can we expect to see some info (besides the entertaining 'Namm Reaction' video? :) )

Eric

[P de Caumette]

I haven't heard anything about RMX yet but I'll take a wild guess and say Tob is heavily involved in designing some of the grooves for it.
Tob has travelled to California last winter, met with Eric, has mentioned that he was under secrecy and was working on some top secret project.
Since Tob's Trilogy demos were killer, I wouldn't be surprised if his skills and possibly his church samples were involved in the RMX project. :cool:

[tob]

My lips are sealed...

/Tobias

[P de Caumette]

... ;)

[aplanchard]

Anyone know whether RMX will be able to map the kites to GM?

[Declan]

On the Spectrasonics site it says more information about RMX's features will be available as the project progresses. Since we're presumably a few weeks away from it's release I'm hoping to see some more information.

I'm really curious about the new core library. I bought Stylus last night and fooled around with it for a few hours and I was knocked out by the sound of the samples, but there seems to be an awful lot of loops I'll never use.

[Ed]

I haven't heard anything about RMX yet but I'll take a wild guess and say Tob is heavily involved in designing some of the grooves for it.
Tob has travelled to California last winter, met with Eric, has mentioned that he was under secrecy and was working on some top secret project.
Since Tob's Trilogy demos were killer, I wouldn't be surprised if his skills and possibly his church samples were involved in the RMX project. :cool:

Tob is making some gooves!? cool! I knew he expressed interest in doing something like that, and I still have his freebie thing he made. Should be very instresting.

Ed

[David Abraham]

I bought Stylus last night and fooled around with it for a few hours and I was knocked out by the sound of the samples

..yes and it looks like there will be true kits in RMX...really looking forward to this one.

[aplanchard]

..yes and it looks like there will be true kits in RMX...really looking forward to this one.


True kits as in GM acoustic kits. PLEASE say it's so!!! Come on September.

[Declan]

It's being released October 25th. There will be more info about RMX on September 5th (wish that was the release date :-). There is something on the site I'm not catching (I can't pull up the new teaser video) and Eric has told me to look closer.

Anyway the site update is cool. http://www.spectrasonics.net/

[MarkH]

There is one shot with a rack of colorful modules stacked on top of each other. I can't tell if it's part of RMX (I doubt it) or a hint of other products. If you read the section on S.A.G.E. they give the impression they are working on more products.

Regards,
MarkH


BTW, hi everyone! This is my first day as a member of Northern Sounds.

[P de Caumette]

My bet is that these colorful modules are the FX section of RMX.
It looks like Eric and the guys outdid themselves... :)

Welcome to NS Mark :cool:

[spectrum]

New Sound Quality Comparison test page is up and working now:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/stylusRMXteaser/

Features a couple of RMX example loops by a mysteriously tall Swede that is well-liked around here....

;-)

spectrum

[Ian Livingstone]

awesome :-) Was suprised at how bad Recycle sounded on the low freq.

Eric - are there any examples on that page which use prosoniq MPEX2 algos which SX/Nuendo/Ureberschall have licenced? I'm not familiar with the mac / protools stuff so there may well be a product already listed.

I'm currently using MPEX for the EW NSG's as I hate the sound of the kontatk/Intakt realtime timestretching but it is a pain having to mixdown the audio first then process it offline. The way Ureberschall PLP120 works is great but very slow for a full set of loops.

Cheers,
Ian

[XanaX]

http://www.spectrasonics.net/stylusRMXteaser/


Yikes! I kind of feel sorry all the others after hearing those... :eek:
I didn't think 160 bpm down to 90 bpm at that level of quality was possible! :D

I'm going to go wait by the mailbox. ;)

[nt]

I don't have access to the large movies (don't have highspeed). Where can I read exactly what RMX does over standard Stylus. It seems there's more information floating around than on the spectrasonics site? ;)

I'm mostly interested in the single hits of stylus. But I heard it's hard to use in Stylus and that RMX will allow much more capabilities and organizing those into kits. Is this true?

Any information is appreciated.

[spectrum]

awesome :-) Was suprised at how bad Recycle sounded on the low freq.

Pure low frequencies in a complex mix are really tough....so we do some special tricks to get great results in the core library like this.

Eric - are there any examples on that page which use prosoniq MPEX2 algos which SX/Nuendo/Ureberschall have licenced? I'm not familiar with the mac / protools stuff so there may well be a product already listed.

We'll have to add that to the test....is that what's used in SX3? Or is it already available in a standalone app?

I'm currently using MPEX for the EW NSG's as I hate the sound of the kontatk/Intakt realtime timestretching but it is a pain having to mixdown the audio first then process it offline. The way Ureberschall PLP120 works is great but very slow for a full set of loops.

Yeah, I was also impressed with the sound quality of the Ubershall/Prosoniq stuff too.....although it is not real-time.

The huge advantage of Groove Control/SAGE is everything is real-time, all the time....there are no more "loops" per se anymore.

The purpose of the test was limited though...it was just to show how much farther we can go with some of these types of complex loops in our optimized Core Library. That's why we developed our own custom technology instead of licensing a generic engine....the results are plain to hear!

:-)

spectrum

[Ian Livingstone]

We'll have to add that to the test....is that what's used in SX3? Or is it already available in a standalone app?
spectrum
MPEX2 is built into SX2 and Nuendo, don't know about SX3 but presume so aswell. Prosoniq used to do a standalone ap EZTimestretch but think they've discontinued it now.

But yes - MPEX is very very slow, and Sage sounds awesome for real-time, can't wait to get the upgrade :-)

Ian

[Waywyn]

WHEW, i checked the Spectrasonics Website a while ago and i was quickreading all the features, but right now i just listened to all the s.a.g.e. demos and i am really overwhelmed.

damn, i bought Stylus, of course original, over ebay in February 2004 and after endless phonecalls and emails i am still waiting for these to send me the authorization code. i hope they will send it to me within the next 40 days, otherwise i am afraid that they get the update before me and then i can't update :( would be very uncool ...

@ eric:
is there anything i can do about that? i wrote you a while ago but i guess you were too busy and the PM was going down somehow.

[LHall]

[QUOTE=Waywyn]
damn, i bought Stylus, of course original, over ebay in February 2004 and after endless phonecalls and emails i am still waiting for these to send me the authorization code. i hope they will send it to me within the next 40 days, otherwise i am afraid that they get the update before me and then i can't update :( would be very uncool ...
QUOTE]

I'm sure calling them "" will cause them to speed that code on the way! Of course, if the Stylus you bought was second-hand and had been authorized by someone else, they may not send it at all.

[Waywyn]

hi LHall and thx for your reply...

i am sure you don't want to know how many times i called these guys to get my autho-key...
and in the ebay auction he assured to sign over the authorization on my name.

the funny thing was, when i started to install and opened cubase i figured out that i couldn't get the response code, because i only had the serial number but not the first code you need to get the response or autho-code. so, i wasn't able to work with it and i called him and a few days !!! later he gave me the autho key.
now i am waiting and calling these guys for over half a year to get the authorization on my name. it's really sad, what some people are up to.

[XanaX]

Instead of taking the seller's word for it, you should have checked with Spectrasonics themselves to see if this particular license transfer was authorized. Spectrasonics has a fairly well-known no-resale policy, though they do sometimes make exceptions. Sounds to me like the motherf%$!* you should be complaining about is the one that sold it to you.

[Waywyn]

Xanax, of course i named the ebay-seller as motherf*** not anyone else. what are you thinking ???? :)

i am just angry about that, because in the ebay auction it was written, not told by the seller, it was written that it is no problem to transfer the authorization and everytime i called this guy/~~~~~~~~**er/seller he told me that he already called or mailed spectrasonics to change the registration on me.... but it seems like that this guy is just talking around and try to keep the licence for the update. also he tells me that the registration papers are already on their way to me. he also called one time and asked for some detailed things like, which cpu i got and how much ram etc., he said that spectrasonics want to know about these details for the changing progress.

of course i have a full working product i spend money for and it definitely original, incl. package, serial, all cds, even the advertising is still in there and the cd is definitely not a burned one :) also i learned to be layouter during my application years, no i guess nobody could fool me on printed or self-made packages :)

all i wanted to say is that i didn't run into one of these illegal cd's selling guys.

i am really pis*ed off these guys because if i knew that before i would have bought it from a shop or ordered it over the internet - really no problem.

so i am wondering whats the status is now, it would be very cool if it is possible to register on my name, i would do everything. call, fax, email, etc.

if it is not possible to register the stuff i would get my money back from this guy and send back his stylus-package, but i am really angry *gr*

EDIT: i am terribly sorry, that i changed this thread about these amazing updates on stylus into a private poor alex thread, but i don't know what to do :(

[XanaX]

Xanax, of course i named the ebay-seller as motherf*** not anyone else. what are you thinking ???? :)


It's just the way you phrased it made it unclear exactly to whom you were referring...
If I were you, I'd forget about your reseller and try to resolve the issue through Spectrasonics.

[Waywyn]

yeh, i already wrote an email to spectrasonics, so hopefully we find a resolution within the next 47 days :)

[spectrum]

You have to handle this case directly through our techsupport dept: info@spectrasonics.net

Unfortunately, it's a real mess to buy a used, sample-based virtual instrument on ebay. Most companies and developers do not allow a license transfer of any kind. Spectrasonics will allow for license transfers on a case-by-case basis to try and help people resolve these kinds of problems.

You have to obtain a license transfer through our support dept, which may or may not be possible sometimes depending on the situation of the original seller. We have to investigate each situation case-by-case and there is usually a fee involved...However, even if a license transfer can be arranged, the new licensee doesn't retain the full privileges of the upgrade pricing of someone that bought the product new from an authorized dealer. So no matter what, you'd need to buy a new copy of RMX from a dealer. The special upgrade is only for registered customers who bought Stylus from an authorized Spectrasonics dealer.

Wish I had better news for you, but that's the way we have to do it. In the future, there will be more and more additional reasons why it's much better to buy a new copy of our instruments from an authorized dealer. Buying used ultimately is more costly than buying a new legit copy.

spectrum

[Martin Hines]

yeh, i already wrote an email to spectrasonics, so hopefully we find a resolution within the next 47 days :)Waywyn,

At the very least you should give Spectrasonics your Product Serial Number, with some proof of ownership. Given YOU have the physical media, Spectrasonics should stop the original guy from being able to upgrade to RMX (which I suspect he might try to do). In this way, at least BOTH of you will have to buy the new product.

P.S. - Given Eric's comments, I would suggest you try to send the product back to the original seller.

[Waywyn]

Hi Eric and thanks for your reply,

i already mailed to this specific email adress by giving my serial number, the name of the seller and three photos: one with the brochure and the serial number within, another photo with all cds, packe and brochure on the ground and another photo with me on it, holding the same discs and package of stylus (don't get scared it's a mobile phone cam and the light is just terrible :))

so with other words if everything works out and i get a full licenced stylus (by paying a licence fee) i am not able to buy at least rmx for 99$. hmm, that would make me automatically sell my ebay-stylus back to the seller, hope i get my money back, go to a shop, buying stylus original again and then i only spend 99$ later on rmx. ... because i don't think the full price of rmx will be something like 199 or so.

damn if i'd knew all that trouble coming up for over a 3/4 year, i would have gone to the shop directly and buy it from there.

but thanks again for your fast replies and if i had would have one wish free i would like the seller of stylus would also never get that update because he tricked me and did an illegal thing. i hate to say like the bad guy at the end of the movie, but if i don't get the update, he shouldn't get it neither.

[Christo7]

yeh, i already wrote an email to spectrasonics, so hopefully we find a resolution within the next 47 days :)

Extremely intelligent of you to purchase this off of EBAY!

[Waywyn]

yes sir, thank you kind sir, christo7, sir.

it' really wonderful to meet the first person in live who did no mistakes at all in his wonderful and glory holy life, sir.

[spectrum]

Hi Eric and thanks for your reply,

i already mailed to this specific email adress by giving my serial number, the name of the seller and three photos: one with the brochure and the serial number within, another photo with all cds, packe and brochure on the ground and another photo with me on it, holding the same discs and package of stylus (don't get scared it's a mobile phone cam and the light is just terrible :))

so with other words if everything works out and i get a full licenced stylus (by paying a licence fee) i am not able to buy at least rmx for 99$. hmm, that would make me automatically sell my ebay-stylus back to the seller, hope i get my money back, go to a shop, buying stylus original again and then i only spend 99$ later on rmx. ... because i don't think the full price of rmx will be something like 199 or so.

damn if i'd knew all that trouble coming up for over a 3/4 year, i would have gone to the shop directly and buy it from there.

but thanks again for your fast replies and if i had would have one wish free i would like the seller of stylus would also never get that update because he tricked me and did an illegal thing. i hate to say like the bad guy at the end of the movie, but if i don't get the update, he shouldn't get it neither.

Yes, we will certainly cancel the ebay seller's right to the RMX upgrade pricing, since he violated the license agreement.

If you do decide to buy Stylus Classic from an authorized dealer now (249Euro retail price), the Stylus RMX upgrade is automatically FREE (except for shipping). You will then have a fully working and legit copy of BOTH Stylus Classic and Stylus RMX. They are two different instruments and that's a very nice deal.

If you wait until Stylus RMX is shipping, you will pay the same price (249Euro retail) and you'd have the Stylus RMX instrument.

So yes, it's a lot simpler and more advantageous to buy things through our authorized dealers and distributors.

Hope that helps and makes sense!

spectrum

[Joris de Man]

Hi Eric,

First off, I must say it sounds fantastic; I really like that first loop you guys used for the demos; and RMX looks something I'll definitely have to add to my x-mas list!

That having been said, I'm not entirely sure if I find your comparisons to the other programs fair.
I own a few GC libraries and the way they work is that a loop is divided into samples and each sample is triggered seperately by your sampler; they're spread all over the keyboard. I noticed on some samples that there was a little bit of timestretching applied (offline) so that even on lower samples there is a nice overlap when they're being played back.
So if you raise or lower the tempo, only the midi data is sped up while the samples retain the same pitch and length.
Now I don't kinow the full extend of the SAGE tech yet, but I assume since RMX also carries the groove control badge it is based on a similar premise.

Your examples demonstrate what different programs would do to the loop as a whole, and that involves either timestretching the whole loop or cutting it up rhythmically and timestretching individual parts.
In any case, the results could never be as good since these programs don't have access to the individual samples, only the resulting loop.

I think it is similar to take a VSL staccato patch, use the miditool set on auto alternation, play 16th's for a few bars on tempo 160 and tempo 80, then render out the 160 version and have said programs timecompress it to 80 bpm and say 'see, the vsl tool sounds a lot better at lower tempi!'...it's not a fair comparison.

I guess my question is: does the RMX use a similar technique to the other programs in that it also timestretches the result or is it done in the groove control way?

In any case, this is not a 'takedown' on spectrasonics products; I own many of them and think you guys make some of the best libraries in the world; but at the same time I don't feel the comparison is entirely fair.

Cheers,

Joris

[rjt]

Just got Stylus in yesterday. Sounds interesting and I look forward to playing with it more. Figured it would play well with Atmosphere and Triology. Looking forward to RMX to see what that brings to the picnic!

Take Care

[Martin Hines]

That having been said, I'm not entirely sure if I find your comparisons to the other programs fair.

I think the comparison is fair, IF you read all of the qualifying statements.

What I take away from the "sound comparison" is that Stylus RMX does a really good job of "slicing loops".

P.S. I assume your "Groove Control" explanation was for the benefit of other readers, given I am pretty sure Eric knows how it works... :)

[tahome]

MPEX2 is built into SX2 and Nuendo, don't know about SX3 but presume so aswell. Prosoniq used to do a standalone ap EZTimestretch but think they've discontinued it now.

I'm using their Timefactory program which is MPEX2 as standalone - they've just announced version 2 with MPEX3 for December which does a realtime time stretch. EZtimestretch was discontinued in 1999 I think.

--th

[spectrum]

Hi Eric,

First off, I must say it sounds fantastic; I really like that first loop you guys used for the demos; and RMX looks something I'll definitely have to add to my x-mas list!

That having been said, I'm not entirely sure if I find your comparisons to the other programs fair.
I own a few GC libraries and the way they work is that a loop is divided into samples and each sample is triggered seperately by your sampler; they're spread all over the keyboard. I noticed on some samples that there was a little bit of timestretching applied (offline) so that even on lower samples there is a nice overlap when they're being played back.
So if you raise or lower the tempo, only the midi data is sped up while the samples retain the same pitch and length.
Now I don't kinow the full extend of the SAGE tech yet, but I assume since RMX also carries the groove control badge it is based on a similar premise.

Your examples demonstrate what different programs would do to the loop as a whole, and that involves either timestretching the whole loop or cutting it up rhythmically and timestretching individual parts.
In any case, the results could never be as good since these programs don't have access to the individual samples, only the resulting loop.

I think it is similar to take a VSL staccato patch, use the miditool set on auto alternation, play 16th's for a few bars on tempo 160 and tempo 80, then render out the 160 version and have said programs timecompress it to 80 bpm and say 'see, the vsl tool sounds a lot better at lower tempi!'...it's not a fair comparison.

I guess my question is: does the RMX use a similar technique to the other programs in that it also timestretches the result or is it done in the groove control way?

Firstly, you are a little confused about how all these apps work. All of the applications demostrated use different techniques...some time-streching in real-time, some time stretching offline, some slicing with stretching, some slicing with no stretching, etc, etc. The point of showing them all is to show what they do with each of these loops.

It is certainly a fair comparison of these specific types of loops and how much better we can make them sound with the new technology of SAGE and how it marries with new Groove Control techniques....especially compared to the rest of the state of the art in terms of tempo shifting quality.

In every case, you are hearing a comparison with the ORIGINAL audio loop to what the result is with the "maximum quality possible" end result that a particular technology allows at the same destination tempo. Of course, there are many tricks and special techniques we apply to get these results, and it requires a highly specialize skill set.....but the point of the demo was to show how radically different our new system is to what everyone is used to hearing, and how much better the end results are. That's obviously the bottom line.

We have told people for years that Groove Control sounded better than other methods, but now that we've been able to take our system so much farther than even the original Groove Control can go....we thought that it was about time to just show an A/B test, so that people actually understand how clearly different it is to everything else. The results speak for themselves.

BTW, you are also mistaken about Groove Control, it plays slices, not necessarily elements. The mechanics of GC work just like other audio slicing apps including ReCycle, Phatmatik and Intakt...however......we are able to go much, much further in quality because of the marriage of new technology and our highly-developed methods of Groove Control techniques.

It is true though that it would be unlikely that any of these other technologies would ever sound as good or better than Groove Control....but this is simply because our method is highly developed over almost 10 years,and done with a great deal of hand-tweaking, making adjustments with human ears and that kind of time-consuming craftsmanship. All of these other apps offer instant or near instant results on a users own audio...but the sound quality is not always the best it could be.

A gourmet recipe takes much more time to make than an instant meal....so sometimes, it makes sense to show people that there is a significant difference....otherwise, they often don't realize how much better something can be if they never compared the two things.

That's the only point of the demo.

:-)

spectrum

[spectrum]

What I take away from the "sound comparison" is that Stylus RMX does a really good job of "slicing loops".

No....that's not it. It's not an automatic process to slice the loops by any means.

However, to USE the loops it is totally simnple, automatic and because it's always in real-time sync, you never even think about what's happening. It just always works the right tempo of your piece and sounds like it should with no artifacts or gaps.

The point is that we can take the Core Library sound quality much further than any of the traditional methods that people are familiar with. A good way to show the difference was to take two super difficult loops that are essentially don't work well at slowing down the tempo with the standard methods.

spectrum

[Looper]

Hi Spectrum,

Thanks for all the info about the upcoming Stylus RMX, this thread has piqued my interest in this product that I hadn't really thought much about before (I was thinking Storm Drum or Culture).

Early next year I hope to be starting a music project that will contain modern grooves as well as some orchestral elements and I'm wondering how broad a range of material RMX will cover? Are there loops and individual sounds that have an "ethnic" or "world" flavor included or is it mostly "urban" and techno grooves?

One more question, is it practical to adapt some of the loops to odd time signatures such as 7/8, 5/4 etc.? Thanks again.

Regards,

Looper

p.s. I really like the low end drums in the demo you posted.

[Mike Auty]

The point is that we can take the Core Library sound quality much further than any of the traditional methods that people are familiar with.
spectrum

Hi Eric,

Will this SAGE technology sound as good with loops that are not part of the Core Library? AFAIK, RMX is supposed to be able to import older GC libraries and Rex files as well... Will the sound quality on these sorts of files be as good as the demos you have up now??

thx,

Mike

[Marcussen]

Is it still planned that people who bought Stylus during that offer period, still gets the update for free? And how will that work? will it be sent to my address or wil I have to do something?

[Ned Bouhalassa]

In the Upgrades section of the RMX Teaser page, it's stated that customers who purchase Stylus in 2004 will get the upgrade free (not incl. shipping): http://www.spectrasonics.net/stylusRMXteaser/index.html

[FV]

Hello Marcussen,

Is it still planned that people who bought Stylus during that offer period, still gets the update for free? And how will that work? will it be sent to my address or wil I have to do something?

I would like to think that you could just expect it to show up but, in reality, Spectrasonics (which is a small company) will be completely overloaded with requests. When the upgrade is available, I would recommend that you send them an email or call. You can ask questions at this email address (RMXupgrade@spectrasonics.net).

HTH,
FV

p.s. - Eric, I'm really looking forward to RMX (as are others) and excited about the different styles in the package.

[aplanchard]

Is it still planned that people who bought Stylus during that offer period, still gets the update for free? And how will that work? will it be sent to my address or wil I have to do something?


Check the Spectrasonics site. I seem to recall it said that they would be taking web orders starting October 1.

[spectrum]

Hi Spectrum,

Thanks for all the info about the upcoming Stylus RMX, this thread has piqued my interest in this product that I hadn't really thought much about before (I was thinking Storm Drum or Culture).

Early next year I hope to be starting a music project that will contain modern grooves as well as some orchestral elements and I'm wondering how broad a range of material RMX will cover? Are there loops and individual sounds that have an "ethnic" or "world" flavor included or is it mostly "urban" and techno grooves?

One more question, is it practical to adapt some of the loops to odd time signatures such as 7/8, 5/4 etc.? Thanks again.

Regards,

Looper

p.s. I really like the low end drums in the demo you posted.

Thanks....yes, there is a huge variety of material. It's a very modern sounding core library that can be used in many ways....the focus is on remix, but there are some great percussion and unique ethnic elements in there too.

And of course....the core library is just the beginning, since RMX is expandable!

Yes, you can alter time signatures on any of the Grooves....Groove Control™ basically allows you to do just about anything you want to the groove....since it is converted to basic MIDI data in your sequencer.

spectrum

[spectrum]

Check the Spectrasonics site. I seem to recall it said that they would be taking web orders starting October 1.

Yes....pre-orders start on October 1st and we'll be emailing everyone about the details directly.

spectrum

[spectrum]

Hi Eric,

Will this SAGE technology sound as good with loops that are not part of the Core Library? AFAIK, RMX is supposed to be able to import older GC libraries and Rex files as well... Will the sound quality on these sorts of files be as good as the demos you have up now??

thx,

Mike

All of the Groove Control libraries sound very, very good in RMX....with a stretch range similar to the core library...if not quite as wide in some cases....in many cases it would be equal to the core library.

Results with REX files will vary greatly depending on the type of sound material and especially on the skill level of the person who creates the REX file.....it's a real artform to do it well. It can sound very good or very bad depending on these factors. Take a listen to the REX vs SAGE example in the sound quality tests for a reference. In this case, the REX file was prepared very well, but ReCycle has a very difficult time dealing with material that is this dense sonically.....very good result can be achieved with simpler percussive loops though.

Hope that helps!

spectrum

[aplanchard]

Yes....pre-orders start on October 1st and we'll be emailing everyone about the details directly.

spectrum

I have not eagerly anticipated the release of a product this much in a long time. Giddy with the possibilities.

By the way, care to share approximately what percentage of the core library is acoustic drums? Come on, you can do it. LOL!

[spectrum]

Very little is "pure acoustic" drums in the Core Library, which is more vibey processed drums.....RMX stands for "Remix" after all ;-)

However, you can definitely expand it vastly with amazing acoustic live drum grooves from BackBeat, Retro Funk, Liquid Grooves and more. The live drumming stuff is incredible in RMX with the Chaos Designer!

More info on this soon....

spectrum

[imusic]

I am simply waiting for Stylus RMX! Spectrasonics is always some steps ahead of the other guys-I am very very shure this going to be very cool!

Looking forward hearing my other stuff thru Stylus RMX, I have almost every Spectrasonics product, ...

cheers, imusic

[tahome]

Firstly, you are a little confused about how all these apps work. All of the applications demostrated use different techniques...some time-streching in real-time, some time stretching offline, some slicing with stretching, some slicing with no stretching, etc, etc. The point of showing them all is to show what they do with each of these loops.

Well actually I think the matter is quite simple - you have more or less two options: if you slice, you'll have something that works for particular applications (such as loops where you basically hide the glitches between adjacent slices in the gaps between drum beats), but won't work with other types of sound (like purely harmonic stuff). As long as the application is exclusively for loops, that might be ok.

An ideal "real" (meaning "intelligent", "adaptive", whatever) Time Stretching would guarantee good (ie. glitch free) results for all types of sounds, not just loops. However, there's a downside as well: time stretching will stretch the attacks along with everything else (something slicing doesn't do) so you might lose some "punch" along your way when slowing a beat down.

I think ideally you should have both options when dealing with loops...

--th

[aplanchard]

Very little is "pure acoustic" drums in the Core Library, which is more vibey processed drums.....RMX stands for "Remix" after all ;-)

However, you can definitely expand it vastly with amazing acoustic live drum grooves from BackBeat, Retro Funk, Liquid Grooves and more. The live drumming stuff is incredible in RMX with the Chaos Designer!

More info on this soon....

spectrum


Cool. I have Stark Raving Beats and Ethno Techno, so I guess it's time to get Back Beat, etc.

[spectrum]

Sure, that's true....the best part is that with Stylus RMX and the SAGE technology, there's nothing to think about....it just works and sound great. We make sure that every sound in the core library has the right approach done ahead of time, so you can just concentrate on the music making.

:-)

spectrum

[imusic]

We make sure that every sound in the core library has the right approach done ahead of time, ...

Hi Eric,

you better do, we will be at NAMM 05 ;-) ...

best, imusic

[unison]

Eric,

The S.A.G.E. Expander DVD's looks very promising.
One question though, If one already owns one of the "old" libraries, like "Liquid Grooves", would there be any upgrade offer or is it considered a seperate new product??

[aplanchard]

The S.A.G.E. Expander DVD's looks very promising.
One question though, If one already owns one of the "old" libraries, like "Liquid Grooves", would there be any upgrade offer or is it considered a seperate new product??

Hey Eric,

SUPER news about the acoustic drums products at $99. Can you also let us know what the difference is between the Expander products and the original libraries. For example, what would the original Backbeat library offer over the Backbeat expander product?

Also, I was surprised to read that the Ilio GC products will not work initially but thankfully will work later in the year. I thought all GC products were completely compatible. Just curious, what is the difference?

Got my finger on the order button!

Allan

[spectrum]

Eric,

The S.A.G.E. Expander DVD's looks very promising.
One question though, If one already owns one of the "old" libraries, like "Liquid Grooves", would there be any upgrade offer or is it considered a seperate new product??

Thanks!

If you have the original Groove Control CD-ROM versions, you don't need the SAGE Xpander version...so an upgrade is unnecessary. Those libraries will convert and play exactly the same.

We just wanted to make this great material available to our virtual instrument customers (most of whom have no history at all with our sample libraries) Everyone always is asking for Acoustic Drum grooves for Stylus, and most don't realize that we already produced a great line of Acoustic Drum groove libraries....this just makes it a lot simpler....load into RMX and go!

There is a cool Bonus section on the Xpanders that has some unreleased material, all the GC stuff from Vocal Planet and Bizarre Guitar and lots of other goodies too....so it's definitely worth it to get at least one of them (especially since a library like Burning Grooves isn't even available in a compatible Groove Control version)

spectrum

[spectrum]

Hey Eric,

SUPER news about the acoustic drums products at $99.

Glad you like the idea!

Can you also let us know what the difference is between the Expander products and the original libraries. For example, what would the original Backbeat library offer over the Backbeat expander product?

They are the same, except for the custom RMX multi patches for each Xpander, that show off all the cool things that can be done (which will be downloadable for our sample library users too)

The Xpanders have the cool Bonus section that I described above too.

Also, I was surprised to read that the Ilio GC products will not work initially but thankfully will work later in the year. I thought all GC products were completely compatible. Just curious, what is the difference?

Each Groove Control library has to be specifically tweaked in the SAGE Converter utility to make sure it converts 100% accurately and gains all the SAGE functionality in the process. So it takes time to do this (lots of checking!)....we did our Spectrasonics titles first, and we're a little tight on our deadline here, so we had to bump tweaking the ILIO titles another month or so....won't be long before they are all compatible.

Got my finger on the order button!

Good! That's what we like to hear :-)

spectrum

[aplanchard]

Thanks!

If you have the original Groove Control CD-ROM versions, you don't need the SAGE Xpander version...so an upgrade is unnecessary. Those libraries will convert and play exactly the same.

We just wanted to make this great material available to our virtual instrument customers (most of whom have no history at all with our sample libraries) Everyone always is asking for Acoustic Drum grooves for Stylus, and most don't realize that we already produced a great line of Acoustic Drum groove libraries....this just makes it a lot simpler....load into RMX and go!

There is a cool Bonus section on the Xpanders that has some unreleased material, all the GC stuff from Vocal Planet and Bizarre Guitar and lots of other goodies too....so it's definitely worth it to get at least one of them (especially since a library like Burning Grooves isn't even available in a compatible Groove Control version)

spectrum

Absolutely awesome. Time to call the banker.

[nt]

Now I'm really interested! :D

Eric and I'm not sure if this has been asked elsewhere, but can you confirm how different the SAGE Xpanders will be to their original counterparts? Will Liquid Grooves Sage Xpander version have the same amount of content as the original Liquid Grooves, etc?

Also, what exactly is the upside to getting Stylus right now? Will Stylus RMX be more expensive when it comes out as opposed to getting Stylus + free upgrade now?

Thanks!

[spectrum]

Now I'm really interested! :D

Eric and I'm not sure if this has been asked elsewhere, but can you confirm how different the SAGE Xpanders will be to their original counterparts? Will Liquid Grooves Sage Xpander version have the same amount of content as the original Liquid Grooves, etc?

Yes, the material is the same except for all the additional patches that show what each Xpander can do with the SAGE technology....lots of great new mixes and remixes (and it will continue to grow too....stay tuned to the feature preview announcements on the site for more info)

Each of these libraries is really like a brand new experience though with the SAGE technology....I'm blown away at what you can do with Liquid Grooves and Vocal Planet in RMX....awesome!

Also, what exactly is the upside to getting Stylus right now? Will Stylus RMX be more expensive when it comes out as opposed to getting Stylus + free upgrade now?

Stylus RMX is exactly the same price as Stylus $299US/249Euro

Stylus RMX will replace the original "Classic" Stylus.

The free upgrade is ending very soon, and the cool deal is right now is that you get BOTH instruments for the same price. ("Classic" Stylus and Stylus RMX are actually two different instruments)

Or you can just wait for RMX.....either way is the same price (except for shipping costs)

Hope that makes sense! :-)

spectrum

[unison]

Thanks!

If you have the original Groove Control CD-ROM versions, you don't need the SAGE Xpander version...so an upgrade is unnecessary. Those libraries will convert and play exactly the same.
spectrum

Thanks for the answer Eric, and sorry for beating a dead horse:
In my case I own the audio version of Liquid grooves (actually my first ever sample library and still an invaluable member of the family!), so when I get Stylus RMX, I would sorta be paying twice for the licens of the samples if I were to get the SAGE xpander for liquid grooves (and how can I not wan't that edition ;) ) wouldn't I?

[Steve Rees]

Thanks for the answer Eric, and sorry for beating a dead horse:
In my case I own the audio version of Liquid grooves (actually my first ever sample library and still an invaluable member of the family!), so when I get Stylus RMX, I would sorta be paying twice for the licens of the samples if I were to get the SAGE xpander for liquid grooves (and how can I not wan't that edition ;) ) wouldn't I?

I think owners of existing Groove Control / Non Groove Control libraries have been accomodated as best they can be in this up coming release. I've bought Metamorphosis, Liquid Grooves (Groove Control) and Backbeat in the not too distant past, and they were considerably more expensive than the Sage Xpander versions will be (like DOUBLE the price, they are selling in the UK at £125 each at the moment, and the SAGE Xpander versions are $99).

So, I guess my point is that it's just a bit of bad luck on my part that I've had to pay more for these libraries than I would have done if I'd waited. The good news is I'll be able to use the translation utility to use them in Stylus RMX, although that wouldn't help with your non groove control Liquid Grooves I guess. Perhaps there will be some solution where you can get a discount on the Xpander version.

The upgrade price from Stylus to Stylus RMX is very generous (it's a totally new product remember), and the prices for the Sage Xpansions are insanely low. Spectrasonics have given everyone a massively good deal. I think it's one of the best I've seen, we're all going to be winners on this deal in the end. These guys care about their customers and it shows. Hurrah for us!

I'm sure the clocks are running more slowly as October 25th approaches :)

Steve

[P de Caumette]

I believe RMX is going to be THE standard that every other company will try to beat in the years coming.
The creative potential & possibilities seem limitless.
And the pricing is so cool...

[spectrum]

Thanks for the answer Eric, and sorry for beating a dead horse:
In my case I own the audio version of Liquid grooves (actually my first ever sample library and still an invaluable member of the family!), so when I get Stylus RMX, I would sorta be paying twice for the licens of the samples if I were to get the SAGE xpander for liquid grooves (and how can I not wan't that edition ;) ) wouldn't I?

No, it's exactly the same deal....you're paying for the Groove Control work and the format conversion, not the original license. To create a Groove Control version of a library is an ENORMOUS job (the Groove Control version of Liquid Grooves took more than a year to create for example)

Here's how it breaks down:

The upgrade price from the Audio CD ($99 retail) version to the Groove Control CD-ROM version ($199 retail) was always the difference in the price - $100

The price of the SAGE Xpander is only $99

...so its exactly the same and fair to every user....past, current and future customers. We were extremely careful about this issue.

Hope that helps!

:-)

spectrum

[aplanchard]

Outstanding products. Thoughtful and considerate business practices. Really, who could ask for anything more.

[unison]

No, it's exactly the same deal....you're paying for the Groove Control work and the format conversion, not the original license. To create a Groove Control version of a library is an ENORMOUS job (the Groove Control version of Liquid Grooves took more than a year to create for example)


Thanks Eric,

I didn't consider the GC conversion. Infact I am ashamed to even raise the question at first :o ...
I'm looking much forward to hand over my money for RMX and whatever amount of xpanders I can afford.

Will the product hit Europe on the 25th as well?

[spectrum]

Thanks Eric,

I didn't consider the GC conversion. Infact I am ashamed to even raise the question at first :o ...
I'm looking much forward to hand over my money for RMX and whatever amount of xpanders I can afford.

Will the product hit Europe on the 25th as well?

That's the goal....might be a bit later in Europe with shipping times, etc.

thanks!

spectrum

[FV]

Hello Eric,

Thanks for being there to reply to all of our questions during what is undoubtedly a very busy time for you and your company. I am curious if you have had a chance to test your plugins with Logic Pro 7 yet? Since it was just announced the Native Instruments plugins won't work with Logic Pro 7 initially and need to be updated by NI, the only other main plugins that I use are the Spectrasonics ones (all 3). Thanks in advance.

FV

[christianb]

Hey Eric,
FV beat me to the punch , but i want to back him up on this particular question. Particularly, with stylus on it's way to my house as we speak and rmx right around the corner.

Thanks for keeping us abreast of all the developments. First place I go every morning is the RMX site to see what the feature of the day is :-)


christianb


ps...didja get my e-mail last week?
Moot point now, all has been answered in this thread.
Just curious;-)

[spectrum]

Here's your Logic 7 answer...

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25263

spectrum

[nerual]

I'm sure that RMX will be wonderfull to use with all those sage xpander series :p
I just want to pre order it now !

I thought that we could pre order the rmx upgrade from october 1st ?
Is it still the case? Will the stylus owners receive an email or can we pre order
from spectra or ilio site ?

I wonder if there will a bundle rmx + 2 or 3 sage xpander ?
I know that the price of the xpander is very very nice, but we never know :)

One last question about the sage xpander.
Will there be akai + sage data files like on the gc versions ?

Thanks

[spectrum]

I'm sure that RMX will be wonderfull to use with all those sage xpander series :p
I just want to pre order it now !

I thought that we could pre order the rmx upgrade from october 1st ?
Is it still the case? Will the stylus owners receive an email or can we pre order
from spectra or ilio site ?

The pre-order site is now up and running:

http://techshop.spectrasonics.net/

You can get other cool Spectrasonics stuff there too!
I wonder if there will a bundle rmx + 2 or 3 sage xpander ?
I know that the price of the xpander is very very nice, but we never know :)

One last question about the sage xpander.
Will there be akai + sage data files like on the gc versions ?


Not sure if I totally understand your question. The SAGE Xpanders are a simple integrated file that works exclusively with RMX at the moment.

Do you mean about including the normal loops? That isn't necessary for RMX.

Hope that helps!

spectrum

[nerual]

Thanks Eric for your answer.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough about the sage xpander.
I just wanted to know if there are 2 discs : an akai cd
and a cd with the sage data, like on the groove control version ?
It seems that it's not the case.

I went to the pre order link you gave but didn't find anything
about those xpanders. Will they be available soon ?

I'd really like to order some of them with rmx.

Thanks and bravo for all your wonderfull products.

[spectrum]

Thanks Eric for your answer.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough about the sage xpander.
I just wanted to know if there are 2 discs : an akai cd
and a cd with the sage data, like on the groove control version ?
It seems that it's not the case.

That's correct....just a SAGE version. $99 would be a pretty crazy price to include all the sampler CD-ROMs too ;-)

I went to the pre order link you gave but didn't find anything
about those xpanders. Will they be available soon ?

I'd really like to order some of them with rmx.

Thanks and bravo for all your wonderfull products.

Thanks!

The Upgrades page is just for Stylus to Stylus RMX upgrades and T-Shirt sales, etc.

New boxed product like the SAGE Xpanders will be sold through our regular network of International Spectrasonics Distributors and Dealers.

Here's a list of them:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/distrib.html

Best,

spectrum

[nerual]

RMX pre ordered :)
I hope the sage xpanders will be available soon.

Nerual

[P de Caumette]

Looking at the FX racks for the RMX, I can't help associating it with a great guitar VI as well :p

[lukpcn]

Looking at the FX racks for the RMX, I can't help associating it with a great guitar VI as well :p

So... You say that I be able to use FX racks for other VST signals as well ?

Sey YES please please please ;)

[Ned Bouhalassa]

Sorry Luk, but the answer is no.

[spectrum]

Check out today's feature for something very special...make sure to scroll down on the feature pop-up:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/stylusRMXteaser/

:-)

spectrum

[cmrick]

OK, that is seriously cool!!!

[PinkDave]

I'm not sure if this has been asked or not? but after creating our grooves can we export the corresponding midi file to our sequencer??

[aakash]

THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!...i guess not for my drummer (hehe :D :D ) ...j/k, as replaced as he might feel, i know he'll find this to be way cool.

omg, i can't wait!

QUESTION:
If STYLUS was bought from American Musical Supply, am I still eligible for the free upgrade? THANKS!...i tried searching but couldnt find anyone who asked this...sorry if it was already asked.


Mr. Persing,
I was wondering if you will be appearing at the AES Convention in San Francisco or maybe Remix Hotel?...It would be quite remarkable if I could get the chance to meet you! I understand there will be a Stylus RMX demo at Remix Hotel...but wasnt sure if you will be there...and simply didnt hear anything about spectrasonics at the AES show...well, hope so!

Best Regards.
aakash

[spectrum]

I'm not sure if this has been asked or not? but after creating our grooves can we export the corresponding midi file to our sequencer??

Yes!

http://www.spectrasonics.net/countdown/archives/2004/10/03/feature-10/

spectrum

[spectrum]

THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!...i guess not for my drummer (hehe :D :D ) ...j/k, as replaced as he might feel, i know he'll find this to be way cool.

omg, i can't wait!

Cool! Glad you like it :-)

Yeah....drummers are actually pretty excited about RMX. Some of the drummer beta testers have been using it live as a "jamming percussionist" and to augment their live playing with improvising loops....it's pretty fun!

The percussion examples here show that quite well:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/countdown/archives/2004/10/19/feature-26/

QUESTION:
If STYLUS was bought from American Musical Supply, am I still eligible for the free upgrade? THANKS!...i tried searching but couldnt find anyone who asked this...sorry if it was already asked.

Sure....it's automatically tied to your serial number and authorization. You can pre-order the upgrade here (you do need to pay for shipping and let us know where to send it :-)

http://techshop.spectrasonics.net/

Mr. Persing,
I was wondering if you will be appearing at the AES Convention in San Francisco or maybe Remix Hotel?...It would be quite remarkable if I could get the chance to meet you! I understand there will be a Stylus RMX demo at Remix Hotel...but wasnt sure if you will be there...and simply didnt hear anything about spectrasonics at the AES show...well, hope so!

Best Regards.
aakash

Yes....It would be a pleasure to meet you. I'll be at our AES booth (#1038) most of the time....but I'll be in and out of Remix Hotel too for the whole show....so perhaps we'll run into each other.

:-)

spectrum

[aakash]

hehe, sounds great!..thanks! :D

aakash

[unison]

Eric,
you seriously ought to rename your new wonder "stylus revolution". It's nothing short! "Remix" is the understatement of the decade IMO..
That chaos designer is gonna turn everything we know upside down :)

[dalamein]

Eric,
you seriously ought to rename your new wonder "stylus revolution". It's nothing short! "Remix" is the understatement of the decade IMO..
That chaos designer is gonna turn everything we know upside down :)

Stylus Revolution - Now thats catchy:) And indeed it is.

Dave
Soundsonics

[PinkDave]

Yes!

http://www.spectrasonics.net/countdown/archives/2004/10/03/feature-10/

spectrum

very cool! you definitely are going to turn the sample would on end with this one. I agree, this is definitely going to be a revolution! one giant leap. :eek:

[spectrum]

Thanks Pink!

spectrum

[damoy]

Hey Eric,

One of the things I liked most about backbeat was the fills. Is RMX going to include some type of fills component to it?

[spectrum]

The new core library in Stylus RMX isn't "Live Drums" oriented, so there aren't a lot of fills like Backbeat and Retro Funk have.

However, you can use those libraries in RMX and we have native SAGE Xpanders of them....so they are really cool with RMX!

Related to the idea of fills though.....did you check out the Chaos Designer demos? That is what is so cool...because you can have RMX create fills and variations in realtime....capture the ones you like and drag and drop them as MIDI files! So ANY groove can have endless fills and variations. Check out the demos here:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/countdown/archives/2004/10/19/feature-26/

spectrum

[tob]

I had the honour to be a (very small) part of this project and I gotta tell you all, this is one of the big happenings this year in music software business. The only bad thing is that I can't stop tweaking it.. it's totally addictive and my girlfriend is starting to complain... ;)

Back to RMX.. gotta get my dose of knobtweaking now!!!

/Tobias

[damoy]

Related to the idea of fills though.....did you check out the Chaos Designer demos? That is what is so cool...because you can have RMX create fills and variations in realtime....capture the ones you like and drag and drop them as MIDI files! So ANY groove can have endless fills and variations. Check out the demos here:That works for me! http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Rob Elliott]

Hey Eric,

Got Stylus on Friday. What the latest for shipping out of RMX (really enjoy this and Atmosphere.)

Rob

[A_Sapp]

Eric, Stylus saved my life with my last gig. :) I can't wait to get my paws on RMX - congrats!

[Rob Elliott]

Hey Aaron,

Good to hear that. Just got my paws on Stylus (heretofore, not much of a 'loops guy'). But it seems that is the kind of work (eclectic orchestral / hip hop) gigs I have gotten recently. Stylus is wonderful - very intuitive, easy to use. RMX will make it a 'must have'!

Rob

[aakash]

JUST SAW ALL THE NEW DEMOS AND STUFF OVER ON THE SPECTRASONICS SITE!!!!!!.....WOWEEEEE!!!!!...omg it definately looks like an instant classic, once again. Check out the videos right now!

regards,
aakash

[spectrum]

Thanks!

Glad you like :-)

spectrum

[Martin Hines]

Eric,

Congratulations on your on-time release!!! I guess your group must have had a fun weekend!!!

One question: when will the XPander series go on sale? I see Ilio and others already have Stylus RMX for sale, but I don't see the others.

[christianb]

Hey Martin, asked the same of the gang at ilio and they said the libs will be announced/released at Namm in January. Looking forward to a belated christmas gift to myself.

Eric!
Been loving the daily updates. The site is looking slick and the info provided is nothing to sneeze at either. I have a question for ya.
What are the chances of RMX at some point being able to recognize and convert apple loops the way it will with rex files. It seems that a similar amount of meta data and slice markers are imbedded in both. Just wondering if it has ever been suggested and or discussed? I officially place my request for that here and now :-)

Hope you sell a million copies... I know one is on a dog sled up to me as I type :-)

[spectrum]

Eric,

Congratulations on your on-time release!!! I guess your group must have had a fun weekend!!!

Thanks...yeah, everyone is pretty exhausted! But it was great to make the deadline....

One question: when will the XPander series go on sale? I see Ilio and others already have Stylus RMX for sale, but I don't see the others.

The first round of Spectrasonics SAGE Xpanders will be available for sale in a couple weeks....more info coming soon....

spectrum

[FV]

Hey Eric,

First of all congrats on releasing this software on time (an extreme rarity in this day & age). Other companies should really use Spectrasonics as an example. You guys begain shipping on the day that you said that you would. I should, hopefully, be receiving mine later today as it shows in transit on the UPS tracking system. Thanks once again.

p.s. - my wife thanks you too as I'll be leaving her alone tonight :eek: :D LOL

FV

[Rob Elliott]

FV,

Brother, brother...Eric's libraries are not THAT good :D


Seriously, How can I track my shipment on the RMX upgrade (just recieved my Stylus last week and upgraded online on Friday)?

Rob

[FV]

Hi Rob,

Brother, brother...Eric's libraries are not THAT good :D

LOL

Seriously, How can I track my shipment on the RMX upgrade (just recieved my Stylus last week and upgraded online on Friday)?

When they ship it, you'll be sent a notification email with a tracking number. That's how I got mine. It looked like it was from UPS so I'm sure that it is through some sort of automated UPS Shipping software.

Like you, I'm not a big loop user but with features such as the Chaos Designer, it allows you to individualize and provide variation a bit more whilst still providing one of the biggest reasons (IMHO) for using loops (speed).

I don't know how backlogged Eric & Co. are but I would think that, provided there is plenty of stock to fill the current orders, you'll be getting yours shortly as well. Haven't talked to my wife yet but UPS' online tracking site shows that it's been delivered.

I have a feeling that she's going to be blackmailing me for a foot massage before releasing RMX to me (talk about import duty :D )

FV

[Rob Elliott]

FV-

Thanks a ton. Yes Chaos is THE reason I am getting it (also speed for some of the unrealistic schedules. Eric is making us look good ;) I also have Backbeat which will bring new life into that very good drum library.

10 minute foot message - that's it!!!! Keep your priorities in line and get back to work :rolleyes:

Rob

[DEK]

Thanks...yeah, everyone is pretty exhausted! But it was great to make the deadline....

spectrum

I have to tell you that I am installing RMX as I type this (have to wait a few minutes for that new data file to load....). That is really impressive considering I'm in rural UK - that's what I call service :D

Keep up the good work, now all we need is support for PT6.7 multi-out RTAS ;)

[mschiff]

Eric,

I just bought Stylus today, and would like to upgrade to RMX. It seems that I must install Stylus to get registered in order to use the web ordering capability. Is there some way to upgrade without installing Stylus? I'd rather wait and just install RMX unless there is some benefit to installing both.

Thanks.

-- Martin

[Martin Hines]

Eric,

I just bought Stylus today, and would like to upgrade to RMX. It seems that I must install Stylus to get registered in order to use the web ordering capability. Is there some way to upgrade without installing Stylus? I'd rather wait and just install RMX unless there is some benefit to installing both.

Thanks.

-- MartinI would suggest contacting Spectrasonics directly.
mailto:info@spectrasonics.net (info@spectrasonics.net)

I would assume you WOULD need to install Stylus, so it can be registered, before you can upgrade to RMX. Registering prohibits you from re-selling the original version.

If you haven't broken the shrinkwrap on the package, you can probably just return it and then buy RMX directly. With the upgrade, you have to pay a small shipping/handling fee.

According to Eric's earlier posts, Stylus and Stylus RMX ARE different products, but Stylus RMX does contain all of the original Stylus content.

[mschiff]

Martin,

Yes, you are correct. I got hold of Spectrasonics on the phone and they confirmed that I would have to install Stylus first and authorize it.

They also mentioned that having both may be an advantage in CPU intensive situations. The RMX version uses more CPU due to the added features, so in a situation where CPU is tight, using Stylus might help.

Thanks.

-- Martin

[FV]

Hi,

Not to mention that you are able to start using it right away and not have to wait until RMX arrives. Of course, you'll be without the new sounds and the new RMX features but there is plenty of good stuff in Stylus "Classic" IMHO.

FV