midi feels a little off ?

[BB SOUND]

HI, I just picked up the orchestral version of giga studio 3 and I have a hammerfall dsp multiface RME set up.while installing gs3 I did run into the overwriting thingy with the registry and Im am now able to use my r-m-e with midi but my question is when I re-wire gigastudio thru nuendo 2 l(atest version) I am able to record a midi even in nuendo but when I play back the midi event gs3 gets alittle off beat then catches up after a bar or so. ANd when gs3 does catch up it feels as if it falling a bit off with the metronome in nuendo. just wondering if anyone other than me ever experienced such a thing?

my rme drivers are the latest 2.82 hammerfall breakout box dsp multiface
I have 1 gig of corsiar memory
an asus a7n8x delux motherboard
AMD 3000+ cpu
windows xp home sp1
1 WD 40gig 7200 rpm for programs
1 WD 40gig 7200 rpm for just samples

[Przemek K.]

Yes, but only with big projects.

Amd AthlonXP 3000+
1 Gig Infineon Pc2700
DSP 24 StAudio/ESI
Win XP Pro SP1
2x WD 120 SE
1X IBM 30,6
1x WD Raptor 74

[BB SOUND]

thank you for your quick reply.. thats interesting that you say only with big projects but in my situation I get this with a new nuendo project and the only thing I would have is gs3 re-wired.and the only midi even is the gs3 :(

maybe I need to further tweak my machine.. bad enuff I have this machine as the internet computer aswell :(

[Przemek K.]

Hi,

I think its a Gs3 issue with rewire, because I have a rock solid midi timing with Propellerheads Reason rewired to Cubase SX2.

Hopefully there will be an update available soon... not only for bugfixes but for performance as well :)

[Lickety-Split]

This is an issue that I may be having as well- without rewire. I've been revisiting a solo piano piece in hopes to get a good midi realization with the use of GPulse- I've not been satisfied with the playback of fast-sequential 16th notes in particular.
There is a real uneveness about the playback- I'm using Finale 04, and with 2.54, the same midi data was played correctly, but since the upgrade I've had problems...
I'd record it if I could and post the realization of both GS160 and GS3 performances- but at the moment I still can't capture audio.... There is a real difference.

[Przemek K.]

This is an issue that I may be having as well- without rewire. I've been revisiting a solo piano piece in hopes to get a good midi realization with the use of GPulse- I've not been satisfied with the playback of fast-sequential 16th notes in particular.
There is a real uneveness about the playback- I'm using Finale 04, and with 2.54, the same midi data was played correctly, but since the upgrade I've had problems...
I'd record it if I could and post the realization of both GS160 and GS3 performances- but at the moment I still can't capture audio.... There is a real difference.

Hmm,

in hardware mode I had loaded a project which was a little bit cpu demanding
I had 2 gigapulse loaded and about 66% of samples loaded.
It is a OPUS 1 demo I made for VSL and it played correctly.

Yesterday night I gave up on testing rewire and capture audio. I have a "workaround" which actually i hate, but I have no choice as long as it works.
I record into my audio interface on another inputs directly into Cubase SX2.
I only have to check somethink out, because the performance played well but
after I listened to the recorded audiofile there was a little glitch in the middle of this orchestral piece...like a timing issue maybe? I hope not.

[Chadwick]

Lickety Split reports that he solved his timing problem by correting buffer settings in his audio card. Timing is now fine.

There is a known issue with Cubase/Nuendo and midi timing which may or may not relate to your problem. It has to do with using midi ports which Cubase calls 'emulated'.

I had a client with completely whacko midi timing the other day and eventually tracked this solution down.

This may have nothing to do with your problem, but who knows?

QUOTE: "I found the problem was due to emulated midi drivers. For SX follow instructions below, not shure if the same applies to VST.
1. Locate your Cubase SX folder, (usually C:\programs\steinberg\cubasesx).

2. Here you will find a folder named 'MIDI Port Enabler'

3. Open this folder.

4.Pick the file "ignoreportfilter" and move it into the Cubase SX / SL application folder (one directory up).

5.Start Cubase SX / SL

6. Now all available MIDI ports provided by the MIDI interface driver will appear in the MIDI device list of Cubase SX / SL.

Please be aware that the MIDI ports now can show up 2 or 3 times in the list. If you're used to manage your MIDI IN by setting "All MIDI Inputs" in the MIDI IN selector, you should go to the Device Setup/All MIDI Inputs and disable the unwanted ports. Otherwise you will record MIDI from multiple ports which results in double MIDI notes.

There is a readme file in the Cubase SX folder named 'MIDI port filter' which details these instructions and some of the midi interfaces that work incorrectly when emulated ports are used.

I was getting a sync problem with midi recorder from my keyboard, the strange thing was that they appeared before the beat I had played them on - my timing is not that bad! The longer Cubase was running that worse the sync error got.

Now I am not using the emulated drivers I have had no further problems."

Interesting thing is that occasionally I pull up one of the old projects which has a track set to listen for the emulated midi port, and sure enough the timing goes out the window. All I have to do is point the input to a non-emulated port and timing is rock solid.

[Christopher Duncan]

BB Sound,

I encountered the exact same Rewire problems in my Nuendo 2.2 / GS 3 scenario on a high powered box. I then fired up Sonar 3, and experienced identical results.

I'm going to investigate the emulated port thing Chadwick mentions below (I don't remember if I selected emulated ports or not - I've slept since then). Hopefully, that will resolve the problem. However, I've seen numerous posts reporting Rewire bugginess, including (if I recall correctly) audio file exports, so even if this solves the timing issue, be aware that you may encounter other adventures with GS3 / Rewire.

In addition to investigating Chadwick's suggestions, there's also a 3.01 update "coming to a theater near you soon". It's not known with certainty if there are any Rewire fixes, but I expect Tascam will be releasing the update sometime soon.

And Chadwick, thanks for the info - I'm going to explore that myself!

I just saw on another thread that the 3.01 update is now officially on the updates page. However, there is no documentation on what the patch addresses, so I don't know if it'll help our Rewire adventures or not.

Chris