EWQLSO GOLD GROUP BUY!

[dougrogers]

EWQLSO GOLD GROUP BUY!


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THANK YOU ALL BUYERS FOR MAKING THIS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL GROUP BUY EVER!!!

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Date: Dec-25-04
Number of subscriptions:820!!!

[Sean Beeson]

Doug, Nick, Kudos. You are very intelligent buisness men, and I think that what you are doing is cool.

Beeson

[Jaibulu]

Will the public be informed on how many people are joining as the promotion is on going to keep track of what the price is standing at or will a total be available at the end of the promotion?

[Sean Beeson]

yes, there is a counter on the bottom of the first post

[ed buller]

What a sweeeeeeeeet deal. And most clever. I will go and check the piggy bank..........

ed

[Looper]

This is getting ridiculous! How are we gonna feed our families when we've blown the grocery money on new samples. :D

[SteveHanlon]

I'm wondering if we can run a tab here to see how many will actually buy.

Count me 'in' if 80 other people are too.

[lukpcn]

:( and i've bought it in august :( what a lose of money :(
But it is worth it !!!! Yeah !

[Lux]

i guess many of us are on the upgrade path from silver to Gold, due to the mass selling of EWQL Silver, I'm one of those...

...so extending also to upgrade could give it more success.

[freeccm]

yes, yes, I just got my Silver Edition yesterday, and I read this message today... Plz, let us join as upgrade...!!!

[tgfoo]

Discounts -

1-10 $796 20%
11-20 $696 30%
21-40 $597 40%
41-80 $497 50%
81-100 $398 60%


Now, the 81-100 range, does that mean that the group buy is limited to just 100 orders? The PMI group buy says 81 or more, so I was just looking for a little bit of clarification.

[haarbol]

Aaaah

This comes at a very convenient and non-convenient time for me :-)

Convenient as in: i really wanted to buy either silver or gold...

Non-convenient as in: i hope i get my money on time....!!

I'll keep a close eye on this thread.... :-)

[dougrogers]

Now, the 81-100 range, does that mean that the group buy is limited to just 100 orders? The PMI group buy says 81 or more, so I was just looking for a little bit of clarification.

There is no limit, but the minimum price will be $398.

Also, anyone purchasing GOLD in this group buy is still eligible for the 30% discount for the GOLD PRO UPGRADE until December 31.

More details about the PRO UPGRADES are here -

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24699

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Date: Nov-17-04
Number of subscriptions: 1
Current Price: $ 796,-
Days left: 31 days

[dougrogers]

yes, there is a counter on the bottom of the first post

We will keep the counter up to date on the main forum only.

[spettigrew]

Doug,
Any new information concerning the compatibility footnote on EWQLSO GOLD??

(***RTAS USERS PLEASE NOTE - If you encounter performance problems while using the RTAS version of your Kompakt instrument, please keep checking back at the Native Instruments updates section. Native Instruments and Digidesign are aware of this problem and are working together to solve the problem as soon as possible.

_Scott

[Ray Lindsley]

Oh Boy! now I just need to figure out how to tell my fiance that I can't afford a new watch for Christmas like she wanted ;)

[janila]

i guess many of us are on the upgrade path from silver to Gold, due to the mass selling of EWQL Silver, I'm one of those...

...so extending also to upgrade could give it more success.I totally agree. I just got my Silver and have barely tested it. It shouldn't be too big a deal to add the upgrade to the group buy, the same discounts from the full price and one product (either Silver->Gold upgrade or full Gold) means one subscription. And if you do this, please include the upgrade with keeping the Silver licence, not the product exchange. Pretty please. :p

[dougrogers]

Doug,
Any new information concerning the compatibility footnote on EWQLSO GOLD??

(***RTAS USERS PLEASE NOTE - If you encounter performance problems while using the RTAS version of your Kompakt instrument, please keep checking back at the Native Instruments updates section. Native Instruments and Digidesign are aware of this problem and are working together to solve the problem as soon as possible.

_Scott

Yes, there will be an improved RTAS version released shortly after which we will remove the disclaimer.

- Doug

[dougrogers]

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Date: Nov-17-04
Number of subscriptions: 2
Current Price: $ 796,-
Days left: 31 days

[Lux]

Hey Doug,

sorry to ask you again, but there some chance for us Silver users? I say because i'm really interested to that http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Luca

[janila]

I'll second that. :) In a sense even the full 60 % discount will be "only" 30 % for the people that have paid the full price for Silver.

[dougrogers]

Doug,

For us "lazy readers", you might want to consider editing the "Counter" in the first post, then link all other topics in other forums back to it.

Thanks.

Can't do, I never created the first post - Papa did - therefore I can't edit it. Maybe he can keep it up to date there.

- Doug

[spettigrew]

Good News, thanks.
_S

[Stillfox]

Just bought mine! If the response is as good as it was for the Old Lady group buy, we should be up over 81 in no time. Thanks for making this terrific offer available.

[Troels]

Will it work in Gigastudio?

[Hajime]

I'm unable to make a decision...

After Gold Pro is released,
non-Pro Gold lives on same articulation?
Or new programed non-Pro version is available?

[gugliel]

I'm in the group for which the price point reached so far makes a difference ... have been reluctant to buy EWQL because I'm a gigastudio user and don't really want to run two samplers at the same time (and don't want to give up all my other libraries!). Anyone using both gigastudio and the NI sampler at the same time, same computer?

[dougrogers]

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Date: Nov-18-04
Number of subscriptions: 5
Current Price: $ 796,-
Days left: 30 days

[andyt]

Anyone using both gigastudio and the NI sampler at the same time, same computer?
Yes, I do. No problems what-so-ever, with the proviso that I don't run particulalry large templates; One or two instances of gold plus GS with half a dozen instruments. I have put my GOLD libraries on a separate drive to my GS libraries; put this was just to avoid potential performance issues.

But they do live very happily side by side on my system.

[I've also found GOLD is so much fun, for just loading up a couple of patches (say some double bass, cellos and violin) and playing a whole ensemble. It just so sounds so georgeous straight way.... I personaly find I don't have same degree of messing-around-fun with my GigaStudio libraries.]

[timecho]

Anydt, are you running both NI and GS on the same computer with the audio/sequencer software as well? i.e. Sonar. If so what's your configuration? I'm planning a new system and am debating the cost justification of 2 computers.

[andyt]

Anydt, are you running both NI and GS on the same computer with the audio/sequencer software as well? i.e. Sonar. If so what's your configuration? I'm planning a new system and am debating the cost justification of 2 computers.
Yes everythings on just one computer ...
I have Cubase SX, GS3, GOLD, Stormdrum Intakt, Yellow Tools Culture ... all happily co-existing with DAB Radio card, Coral Painter, Wacom Tablet, Outlook, Office and Doom 3, Medal Of Honour :-). (I'm a hobbyist not a pro, mind)

PC is one I customised myself ..
Gigabyte K7 Triton motherboard
AMD AthlonXP 3000
2 Gig RAM (2x ebuyer budget 1 gig sticks)
4 Hard Drives ... 3 x IDE, 1 x 1 SATA (and still room for another SATA)
ESI Systems Wamirack


I run, regularly, Registry Medic to keep the registry nic and tidy.
Plus Ad Aware and SpyBot t oget rid of spyware.
I am really pleased with the anti-spyware software, 'cause my PC is much faster and stable now than ever before.

[Evergreen]

Say,

Are the Pro upgrade and all other upgrade valid if participating in the group buy (that is the prices would be the same just as if Gold were bought in the normal price)?

[Stillfox]

From what I understand, yes. So if we can get Gold for $398, then pre-order the Pro upgrade at 30% off, we're looking at getting GoldPro for under $1100. Pretty sweet - place your order now!

[dougrogers]

Say,

Are the Pro upgrade and all other upgrade valid if participating in the group buy (that is the prices would be the same just as if Gold were bought in the normal price)?

Yes, group buy purchasers are eligible, the pre-order price for the Gold Pro Upgrade is 30% off until December 31.

- Doug

[munchkin]

What about us Silver owners? I've bought the Silver update as well! :( I bought Silver about two months ago so it would be nice to take advantage of this offer. Can't we join the gold edition group buy and pay less the price of Silver? We could include our serial number to prove Silver ownership in the group buy purchase and then receive the discount. How about it?

[Stillfox]

What about us Silver owners? I've bought the Silver update as well! :( I bought Silver about two months ago so it would be nice to take advantage of this offer. Can't we join the gold edition group buy and pay less the price of Silver? We could include our serial number to prove Silver ownership in the group buy purchase and then receive the discount. How about it?

Yes, please! As one of the 5 who has subscribed so far, I have a vested interest in getting as many people on board as possible. I'm pretty sure that if there were some kind of upgrade path for Silver owners incorporated into this group buy, we'd be up over the 81 person target in no time! How about it, EastWest??

[janila]

As I suggested before, I think it would be clearest to give the same discount from the original price (about $1000 for Gold and about $700 for the Silver-to-Gold upgrade) for both products and include both in the same subscription count. This way the 60% discounted price would be around $400 for Gold and around $280 for the Silver-to-Gold upgrade (the one that allows us to keep the Silver). Fair, huh?

Of course I don't mind if the Silver price would be subtracted from the group buy price, but I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for EW/QL to exchange our Silvers to Gold for $100. :rolleyes: Besides I want to have the Silver as it is compact for jotting down ideas with a laptop and it has a couple of instruments that aren't included in the Gold.

[bokemon]

Hi, is the shipping cost free only within the USA? :confused:
The invoice says the shipping is $55 to Japan. :o
Could you clarify this?

bokemon

[andyt]

Its strange that there is no response about all the requests to somehow incorporate Silver > Gold in the group buy. Perhaps they are waiting to see how it goes .... I guess if the take up appears to be slow, then they might do something.

Or they might run a separate GROUP BUY just for silver upgrades.

[_Jochen]

I don´t wanna confuse too much.... but...

I own silver. Could I profit from the group-buy as well if I would like to upgrade to gold? Or not?

Jochen

[janila]

Or they might run a separate GROUP BUY just for silver upgrades.Which wouldn't be nice for the Gold buyers as there most likely aren't going to be enough subscriptions to get the discount substantial.

[andyt]

Which wouldn't be nice for the Gold buyers as there most likely aren't going to be enough subscriptions to get the discount substantial.
Yup ... good point.
I guess there a lot of people who would want to buy at the biggest discount .... but becuase of the sums involved won't "jump" until the first 81 have "jumped".

[dougrogers]

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Date: Nov-19-04
Number of subscriptions: 6
Current Price: $ 796,-
Days left: 29 days

[dougrogers]

If all the Silver users wanting to upgrade entered the group buy now, we would quickly reach 81 and then the upgrade price would be $200 less. No other discounts are possible with this promotion. However, we still have 29 days to go and we haven't advertised this outside of NS yet, so when we do we are confident we'll get the end result you are all seeking.

There is a flaw in these group buys though. The procrastinators take no risk and will jump on board once the magic number is hit, just look at Michiel's group buy to see what happened after his magic number was hit as an example, while the early investors take all the risk. We have to address this in any future group buys so it pays off to invest early - any ideas?

- Doug

[Ned Bouhalassa]

Doug,

Did you see this post: http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27178

It's an idea...

[nerual]

We have to address this in any future group buys so it pays off to invest early - any ideas?
There was a group buy on kvr for Kjaerhus plugins, and the first 50 buyers received an additional discount.

I think the idea is good but the first buyer still takes more risk than the 50th, and once 50 is reached the group buy grows slowly.

I think the solution that would be really successfull would be :

Discounts -

1-10 $796 20%
11-20 $696 30%
21-40 $597 40%
41-80 $497 50%
81-100 $398 60%

Additional discount

100$ - buyer's rank

for example if the buyer is the 21th on the list he will have an additional discount of 100 - 21 = 79$

According to me a group buy on this model would be a great success.

nerual

[tgfoo]

I don´t wanna confuse too much.... but...

I own silver. Could I profit from the group-buy as well if I would like to upgrade to gold? Or not?

Jochen

Well, it costs $750 to upgrade from Silver to Gold (and keep your Silver version) while the current price for the group buy is $796. Once the number of people hits 20, which I'm positive it will, then the price will drop to $696, which would make it cheaper than the Silver to Gold upgrade. So if you want to upgrade, the group buy is the best way of doing it.

[Lux]

To me the group buy works fine as it is.

Just would be nice to have also a special mention for upgraders.

[Bruce A. Richardson]

If all the Silver users wanting to upgrade entered the group buy now, we would quickly reach 81 and then the upgrade price would be $200 less. No other discounts are possible with this promotion. However, we still have 29 days to go and we haven't advertised this outside of NS yet, so when we do we are confident we'll get the end result you are all seeking.

There is a flaw in these group buys though. The procrastinators take no risk and will jump on board once the magic number is hit, just look at Michiel's group buy to see what happened after his magic number was hit as an example, while the early investors take all the risk. We have to address this in any future group buys so it pays off to invest early - any ideas?

- DougProcrastinator is a highly pejorative term. It indicates one who puts off action to negative consequence. On the contrary, I would call someone in this scenario a smart buyer to wait and see how the chips fall, not a procrastinator...as if there is something wrong with the idea of lowering financial risk!! No one who does this would be a procrastinator, because the negative consequence doesn't exist. Well, except to the vendor.

But I do have a good idea. To make it pay to invest early, it's easy enough. Simply offer a sale for the lowest price, and dispense with the Group Buy technique altogether.

If people are indeed going to flock to the product, then they will. The numbers will be hit. If not, they won't.

The only "flaw" with the group buy scenario is that the vendor is asking the potential buyer to take all the risk. It's a way to make the end user provide the advertising for a mass buy, rather than the vendor.

Additionally, the buyer is required to transfer almost $400 of his money into the vendor's hands, where it works for the vendor for the duration of the buying period (while NOT working for the buyer).

So, of course people are going to sit back and see how the numbers go. Who wouldn't? It's the smarter way to approach the deal in every single way.

Just another angle of illumination...

[_Jochen]

Thats right. Thanx.

And if we would buy 81 "golds".... .


By the way. Could I pay by "bank transfer" (and in Euros)?

Jochen

[Jan]

Simply offer a sale for the lowest price, and dispense with the Group Buy technique altogether.Yep, that would be my suggestion as well.
A reversed order of discounts (60-40-30%) would equal commercial suicide, giving a higher discount to first buyers would piss off those coming later.
A spiked order of discounts (30-40-50-40-30%) may not even take off because everyone wants the max. discount of course.
The price for Michiel’s offer was relatively low, so the risk for first buyers was limited.
A product like Gold is almost 5 times as expensive, so naturally people are reluctant to jump in first. If you wish to eliminate that risk, simply put forth a unique offer for a limited time without any discount hoops to jump through.

However, if you wish to keep the 'game element', you might add an incentive for the first 20 (or 40) buyers by offering them 40% discount on the Gold-pro upgrade for example. Or you might turn that into a reversed order of parallel discounts: 1-20: 60%, 21-40: 50%, 41-60: 40% discount on Gold-pro upgrades.

[T Parks]

I say keep it as it is. Many people are natural gamblers and willing to put their money where their mouth is. If they reckon there's a good deal to be had and that there are enough people out there to jump onboard then what the hell. Discounts - fine, if they're offered and I know regularly make generous 30% discounts to entice potential buyers. But its good to have a bit of market-trader thinking and encourage a mass purchase. It means there will be plenty of people to "share" info about the product with (which means updates etc are possibly more likely to be addressed) and it makes it a bit more exciting in the first place.

The important thing is to know you WANT the product in the first place and that, if all else fails, you wont be pissed if people don't jump onboard as hoped.

[andyt]

Yep, that would be my suggestion as well.
The price for Michiel’s offer was relatively low, so the risk for first buyers was limited.
A product like Gold is almost 5 times as expensive, so naturally people are reluctant to jump in first. If you wish to eliminate that risk, simply put forth a unique offer for a limited time without any discount hoops to jump through.
I think you have hit the nail on the head there, about why GOLD is not selling as fast as OLD LADY ... for each purchasor there is a lot more money at stake.

I started the original thread about improving the GROUP BUY process, because I had this hunch GOLD would n't go as fast. But it was shot down pretty quick on the basis of "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Well your right the process isn't broke, but it is inherently flawed.

In this particular case the first 10 purchasors carry the risk of getting a worse discount, than if they just wait patiently for the next 30% sale ... which they do occur fairly frequently.

Since posting my first idea for improving the process I came to a similar to view as Bruce. Why build-in the uncertainty ?

Doug would like to sell at least 81 copies of GOLD, and he is happy to do so at a 60% discount. I am sure there are 81 potential buyers out there at this discount, but they unwilling to jump first.

Why not offer GOLD at a 60% discount, IF, and only if, 81 buyers place orders. If 81 is not met ... then the orders are cancelled.

Additionally, a quick poll on NS could be used initially to test, without comittment, if there are likely 81+ buyers.


I also think that no one model for a GROUP BUY is going to fit all. Each needs to be tailored for the relative price of the goods on offer, and percieved demand.

But you never, this GROUP BUY may take off big time of the weekend ... especially if Doug buys a few copies himself to boost confidence in the market http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Silver just complicates the issue in this particular instance}.

[andyt]

The important thing is to know you WANT the product in the first place and that, if all else fails, you wont be pissed if people don't jump onboard as hoped. But surely Trev, its better for both vendor and buyer if the max number of sales and discount is reached. Doug will be happier if sells 81+ , buyers will be happier if they get 60% rather than 50%.

The whole point of this discussion is to figure out how both sides can get to that very happy state of affairs.

[FredProgGH]

It's a good point, Andy. I can't be so cavalier about $800 as I can about well under $200. And for me, EWQLSO is a "want", not a "need". There's a high probabbility that I will sit this one out, but either way I'd have to wait for that 50% or 60% mark to be reached. The idea of just seeing if 80 people would commit at no risk isn't a bad one on the surface, but I haven't paused to make a decent consideration of it from the vendors point of view...

[dougrogers]

OK - thanks for the feedback, one thing you can count on with this forum (as opposed to many others) you always get intelligent responses, even if we all don't agree sometimes.

Here's what we are going to do to reward the early 'investors' -

The first 40 purchasers will also get their pick of an EASTWEST ProSamples Platinum title of their choice for FREE! (a $129 value). That means those that ordered already got something they didn't expect, and hopefully this incentive will get the group closer to it's goal faster. At this time there are 34 buyers that can get this extra reward. Also after 40 purchasers the price will be down to 50% off so it's clearly an unbelievable deal at that point for the rest.

Let's see how that works.

- Doug

[Stillfox]

As one of the 6 who has already ponied up the cash, all I can say is:

Thanks, Doug! This makes an already great deal even better!

[gugliel]

The extra enticement is good! Even though I don't know what the prosamples platinum is yet .... I'm going to go find out, then maybe jump off the fence.

[bogg]

I own Silver too. I just bought it actually. But it seems like if I would have waited for this group buy and not purchased Silver, I would be able to possibly get Gold for a lower price than buying Silver and upgrading. For example, lets say you get lucky and get Gold for $398 as your first EWQLSO purchase. Thats great. But if you bought Silver before that, you are really paying $398 plus $cost of Silver. I know that it is still below the normal cost of the Gold upgrade, but that is not the point. The point is that the Silver upgraders would be penalized more by paying more than those who buy Gold from this Group Buy as their first purchase.

So is there any possibility that a prior Silver purchase can be deducted from the final price of the Gold group buy. For example, if the price ends up being $398, then Silver owners would only pay $398 minus the price of Silver?

Thanks.

[dougrogers]

The extra enticement is good! Even though I don't know what the prosamples platinum is yet .... I'm going to go find out, then maybe jump off the fence.

You can choose from these 5 titles -

PSP-06

PSP-07

PSP-08

PSP-09

PSP-10

They are all great Virtual Instruments and Virtual Sound Modules.

- Doug

[sbkp]

I own Silver too. I just bought it actually.

....

So is there any possibility that a prior Silver purchase can be deducted from the final price of the Gold group buy. For example, if the price ends up being $398, then Silver owners would only pay $398 minus the price of Silver?


Same boat. Same question. That would be awesome.

[PaPa Chalk]

* The first 40 purchasers will also get their pick of an EASTWEST ProSamples Platinum title of their choice for FREE! (a $129 value).


:eek: Unbelievable It Just keeps getting better. Thanks Doug and thanks everyone for your input there are some great ideas here. This is what makes northern sounds a wonderful place to be.

[FV]

Hi,

I already own Gold so it doesn't make too much of a difference to me on this Group Buy. I agree a little bit with Bruce though on the use of the term "procrastinators" for late buyers. For some, it is simply a matter of not willing to take the risk of buying the product at the lower discounts, instead, choosing the discount level that their pocketbooks are comfortable with.

I bought into the Old Lady GB but only at the $80 level. Did I procrastinate? Not really. I did not really need the "Old Lady" at this point in time. However, it is a title that I've been looking at for a little while and decided that if it reached this price point, I'd pony up and be happy with it.

In regards to the GB system as implemented not being perfect, I agree. But, how to make it better is a difficult one, particularly since you can't please everyone. I kind of like the idea of rewarding the early risk-takers. It provides incentive for them since others may not be willing/able to take the risk.

I suspect that if the GB for Gold gets above 20 buyers, things will pick up in speed. At that point, there is incentive for Silver owners to upgrade since the price at that discount is less than the usual Silver-Gold upgrade price. If it were to get up to 81 buyers, it would be silly *not* to buy in as that price is so low.

Good luck with it Doug. Hopefully more people will be willing to assume some of the risk now with the extra offer that you've allowed for the first 40.

FV

[jcn7]

Hi Doug, my original post didn't seem to go through so forgive me if this ends up a double post. If you answered this question already, please forgive me...Will Silver owners be able to use their original purchase price to offset the cost (as stated on your web site..."The SILVER EDITION "Upgrade Plan" enables users to apply 100% of the purchase price for the SILVER EDITION towards an upgrade to the GOLD or PLATINUM EDITION at any time (contact sales@eastwestsounds.com for details)".) of purchasing Gold on this group buy? Again, if you answered this directly, please forgive me for not seeing it. Thank you again!

[FV]

Hi jcn7,


Will Silver owners be able to use their original purchase price to offset the cost (as stated on your web site) of purchasing Gold on this group buy?

Although he didn't answer directly to this particular question, I believe the answer is no. On page 3 of this thread, he states that no other discount is possible with this group buy. While it certainly would be a great deal for Silver users, it is not so much for EW since, at the maximum discount, a Silver upgrade would only cost the user an additional $100.

Take a look at it. Since you can apply Silver directly to the Gold upgrade, that is $995 - $295 or $700. Once the GB reaches 11 buyers, you're saving $4 by getting in on the GB and then some at discount tiers above that. So, if just 20 Silver owners, who were considering buying the upgrade, actually sign up, they've already got a good discount there.

I don't know if it would be worthwhile to take an informal poll on this thread of Silver owners who would sign up if they were guaranteed the 40% discount but it might make the numbers start climbing if they saw enough interest.

I only wish that this GB was available at the time that I upgraded. I would have rolled the dice and signed up now seeing as the 2nd discount of 30% is easily achievable (IMHO) so I wouldn't come out any further behind.

FV

[T Parks]

I reckon Doug's got it just right. Offer an incentive to those who put their cash on the table early, but don't abandon the group buy. That way, nobody is losing out. It would be interesting to see if other developers can offer a similar incentive.

So far, looking at similar group buys on KVR etc, it seems clear that its a popular strategy and people who buy in early can rally friends and colleagues to the join cause. Its good advertising and leads to sales for developers. I can't see a problem with it.

[dougrogers]

Doug,

To be TOTALLY GREEDY, would buyers also qualify for the "Free Virtual Instruments Collection"?

EW-VICD

Anyone who orders any product at www..com get's this FREE. Only if we have to send it alone do you pay shipping, and then we include a FREE SHIPPING coupon for your next purchase to offset it - so the answer is yes, you get this also (and my first born -just kidding!!)

- Doug

[synthnut]

Doug,
I'd like to get in on one of the first 40 buyers....How do I do this ...Thanks , Jim :confused: .....

[dougrogers]

This thread is duplicated on the main forum. I'm closing this one so we can respond to one thread only (on the main forum).

We just announced that the first 40 purchasers in the group buy will also get one of our ProSamples Platinum titles for FREE for investing early.

- Doug

[synthnut]

Martin,
I would like to know if I'm in the first 40 buyers or not ?....Thanks , Jim

[tgfoo]

Martin,
I would like to know if I'm in the first 40 buyers or not ?....Thanks , Jim

well, since there are (or at least were) only 6 orders, if you've ordered it I'd say it's a pretty safe bet you're in the first 40. I would go ahead and order it, but I don't currently have the money to do so. Free pro samples would be nice, but I dont' think that I'll have the proper funds to order it before the number hits 40.

[synthnut]

I didn't order yet....I'm trying to find the East West site so I can call...I don't like paying for things over the internet ....I'd rather call....I can't find a number for East West ....Anybody ??....Thanks, Jim

[jcn7]

Hi again, I still haven't seen a direct response from Doug to my earlier Silver to Gold Question, however, here is another question...If I were not a Silver owner, and decided to purchase the Gold on this group buy, would I then be able to also purchase Silver for an additional $49.00 as per you advertisement on your web site?
"If you own EWQLSO Platinum Edition or EWQLSO Gold Edition you can now crossgrade to EWQLSO Silver Edition for just $49.95! " Thank you.

[synthnut]

Martin,
Thanks for the info....I was rushing around trying to get in the first 40 ....I called to get in on the group buy, but East West will NOT put you in the group buy over the phone....You can buy the Gold Edition at full price over the phone, but you can not get in on the GROUP BUY over the phone... I don't buy ANYTHING over the internet....I call and talk to someone in person ...I guess that settles that !!... There are other companies offering their samples at a discount where I can order over the phone ....Such is life ... :mad:

[synthnut]

Martin,
Thank you for your help ....It's appreciated.....Sincerely, Jim

[PaPa Chalk]

Anyone who orders any product at www..com (http://www..com/) get's this FREE. Only if we have to send it alone do you pay shipping, and then we include a FREE SHIPPING coupon for your next purchase to offset it - so the answer is yes, you get this also (and my first born -just kidding!!)

- Doug
LOL What else are you going to give away Doug.:D Guys I know everyone wants to have there own special deal it's instinctive to all of us and what ever our specific needs are at the time.

I personally think this is a great discount considering the product is now 60% off and on top of that Doug is willing to give away over $5000:eek: in product to the first 40 people who sign up. I don't know how much better than that you can get. I think one thing we all have to remember is that most of the developers would not normally do this on current/new product. There’s power in numbers and If these group buys continue to work. I think it will be happy times ahead for all sample users/buyers at this site .;)
Get these discounts if and while you can.

[synthnut]

Martin,
I would have also ordered the "Pro" upgrade at the 30 % savings....I asked about this in an earlier post ..I was told I had to get Gold first then get the Gold Pro....I'm a newbie, and wanted to start out with a good orchestra ....This seemed like a great deal until I was told that I could not only get in on this deal if I order online ....One would think that any company wanting business would accomodate the buyer, and a new customer, by allowing a phone order in the group buy...?????????????????????....Jim

[Stillfox]

Is the Group Buy link on the first post broken??

When I ordered mine yesterday, it led me to a checkout page that had the $398 subscription fee clearly marked. Today, a friend of mine signed up for the group buy then called me later saying that the checkout page he was sent to was for the full $995. I checked, and sure enough, the link that yesterday took me to a page that had the group buy price was now sending me to one with the full price.

I just wanted to check and make sure that if there are more folks like my friend signing up that they are counted and included in the group buy! We need all the folks we can get!

Thanks for checking up on this...

[PaPa Chalk]

No it's not broken there is a group buy code on the page which must be placed on your order to get the discount.:) Your friend may have missed Instructions:)

GROUP BUY EWQLSO GOLD EDIITON (EW-160G) EW-160G

[Martin Hines]

From the Sounds Online Website Group Buy description:



IMPORTANT: - USE THE PROMO GROUP on the check out page to reduce the price to the $398.00 USD entry fee

[janila]

While it certainly would be a great deal for Silver users, it is not so much for EW since, at the maximum discount, a Silver upgrade would only cost the user an additional $100.I still can't figure out what would be difficult in giving the same discounts for Gold and the upgrade from Silver to Gold. This way the cheapest upgrade price would be $280 instead of the $100 you suggested. This wouldn't give Silver users anything free or extra cheap but would reward them for buying the full priced product. This way the Silver owners wouldn't feel like they have paid for nothing as the difference between the full Silver price and the fully discounted Gold group buy price is only about $100. Usually it isn't all about money but in many cases it is all about principles.

[dougrogers]

Martin,
I would have also ordered the "Pro" upgrade at the 30 % savings....I asked about this in an earlier post ..I was told I had to get Gold first then get the Gold Pro....I'm a newbie, and wanted to start out with a good orchestra ....This seemed like a great deal until I was told that I could not only get in on this deal if I order online ....One would think that any company wanting business would accomodate the buyer, and a new customer, by allowing a phone order in the group buy...?????????????????????....Jim

Jim,

Send me a PM with all your details and I'll take care of your order.

- Doug

[Jaibulu]

Hi Doug, if there is a difference in addition to the entry fee at the end of the group buy, is there a time limit as to when the difference has to be paid by?

[wes37]

A point if I may concerning this Group Buy concept:

There is neither any risk in signing up early nor any reward to signing up late. The early buyer will still be buying a great product at a discount. The later buyers are ensuring that the maximum discount is applied to all. In the end, all who participate get the same deal. I find it odd that there is some griping when this is the sweetheart deal of the year!

There are also folks like me who are trying to figure out which platform(s) to use, who are considering new DAWs, etc. I don't necessarily think I should be penalized (as some have suggested) if I wait until the latter part of the offer to make a decision.

[Hajime]

I've just joined.
Come on!!

[synthnut]

Doug,
Please check your PM....Thanks, Jim

[fozzy]

Heck yea, it's already a swell deal for anybody who signs up from the start. For those who don't, I think there's gonna be a "tipping point" (just as with PMI) where people who weren't initially inclined will jump.

(Some of the griping reminds me of a guy I knew in college who would actually go back to a shop and demanded a partial refund/credit if something he bought two weeks or month earlier had gone on sale. Buyer beware indeed!) http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


A point if I may concerning this Group Buy concept:

There is neither any risk in signing up early nor any reward to signing up late. The early buyer will still be buying a great product at a discount. The later buyers are ensuring that the maximum discount is applied to all. In the end, all who participate get the same deal. I find it odd that there is some griping when this is the sweetheart deal of the year!

There are also folks like me who are trying to figure out which platform(s) to use, who are considering new DAWs, etc. I don't necessarily think I should be penalized (as some have suggested) if I wait until the latter part of the offer to make a decision.

[dougrogers]

The price just dropped another $100 and we're 4 away from it dropping to 40% off!

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[andyt]

I find it odd that there is some griping when this is the sweetheart deal of the year!

Eerrr, I don't think there is any griping on this thread.

For the record I have GOLD already (and ordered the pro upgrade), so my suggestions to improve the GROUP BUY process (or give it a different flavour) were geared to helping vendor and buyers reach the maximum sales / discount point.

[andyt]

The price just dropped another $100 and we're 4 away from it dropping to 40% off!
Maybe someone should go and post something on the VSL forum http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif. I'm sure some of those guys couldn't resist getting themselves a new pallette of coulors.

That would boost the numbers a bit I'm sure.

If it reaches 60% discount ... it'll be cheaper than almost all of their Horizon products, and a good £400 quid cheaper than Opus 1 and £1000 quid cheaper than First Edition.

[wes37]

Eerrr, I don't think there is any griping on this thread.

For the record I have GOLD already (and ordered the pro upgrade), so my suggestions to improve the GROUP BUY process (or give it a different flavour) were geared to helping vendor and buyers reach the maximum sales / discount point. Sure there is...and I certainly do understand the point. My point is A) if there is a discount bell curve, then the maximum sales figure might not materialize and B) in the end everyone who participates will receive the same discount.

The idea that the first who sign up are taking a risk is false logic.

[PolarBear]

Maybe someone should go and post something on the VSL forum (...)
__________________
a.k.a. drewbuchan on vsl forum

DIY? :D

[andyt]

DIY? :D
Naaahh ... I've only posted a dozen or so times on VSL. I'm still johnny-cum-lately over there. It would get pulled-off in the blink of an eye .... it needs someone with some credibility and plenty of brownie-points who they might just tolerate posting an advert for a competitor.

[PolarBear]

It doesn't need that... it's actually funny too see all people get on fever right now like as those things would never be done before from other parties yet... but keep the wheels turnin', perhaps we'll get the developers give us 100% discounts (oops, they do already, Doug announced that a few pages ago).

[synthnut]

I think that if the manufacturers would do periodic group buys, and help each other out when the group buy is happening , that it would be a win/win for both the sellers and the buyers....We are a group who love to collect samples, and if we can get a group rate ( lower price ), we would all own a few different companies samples.... Each company have their group buy at a diffeerent time so that we the buyers can catch our breath !!... For arguement sake, if they sold 10 of the product a month at full price, and then did a group buy and sold 100 of their product at a 50% discount, they're still ahead of the game, and so are we buyers !!....
BTW....Thank You Doug for helping me to be part of the group buy for the Gold !!... I'm a happy camper... :D .....Sincerely, Jim

[koolkeys]

I guess you can say I'm terribly dissapointed here. It's been less than a month since I bought the Silver Edition. It's been wonderful. Then I see this. That I could have gotten the next step up for a bit more. :(

I totally understand that this is still cheaper than upgrading. But what about the customer who bought your product retail, using money that had been saved for a while. No offense to anyone here. Take advantage of what you must. I would too. But what about us who are already loyal customers? :confused: Is there ANY deal you can offer us? Say $100 off of whatever the current group buy price is? Maybe just NOT throw in the extra gifts for us. Make us pay shipping? ANYTHING? Please tell me that there is a way you can reward current customers, many of which bought the Silver because they couldn't afford the Gold, and can't afford the upgrade for a while.

Can you find it in your heart Doug? For Christmas? :confused: :confused: :confused: If so, you'd be the best Santa ever! I'm sure you could work something out.

Koolkeys

[andyt]

Maybe someone should go and post something on the VSL forum http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif. I'm sure some of those guys couldn't resist getting themselves a new pallette of coloors.

There's a QLSO Group buy going on at the Northern Sounds forum. QLSO will probably be selling like hotcakes, but I was wondering if VSL might have any plans to do this. I really would love to see a group buy for maybe OPUS 1 or SoloStrings or Chamber strings
Well done BlueStar ... whoever you are !

[fozzy]

:)

Ditto.



Well done BlueStar ... whoever you are !

[fozzy]

I totally understand that this is still cheaper than upgrading. But what about the customer who bought your product retail, using money that had been saved for a while.

KoolkeysThey should signup for this group buy !! :)

Ya pays ya money and ya takes yas chances. ;)

[alpi]

I guess you can say I'm terribly dissapointed here. It's been less than a month since I bought the Silver Edition. It's been wonderful. Then I see this. That I could have gotten the next step up for a bit more. :(

I totally understand that this is still cheaper than upgrading. But what about the customer who bought your product retail, using money that had been saved for a while. No offense to anyone here. Take advantage of what you must. I would too. But what about us who are already loyal customers? :confused: Is there ANY deal you can offer us? Say $100 off of whatever the current group buy price is? Maybe just NOT throw in the extra gifts for us. Make us pay shipping? ANYTHING? Please tell me that there is a way you can reward current customers, many of which bought the Silver because they couldn't afford the Gold, and can't afford the upgrade for a while.

Can you find it in your heart Doug? For Christmas? :confused: :confused: :confused: If so, you'd be the best Santa ever! I'm sure you could work something out.

Koolkeys
Hey Koolkeys, I know exactly what you mean - as a Silver owner , I've been lusting after Gold for some time , but even the EW sales weren't enough to make it affordable for me. If it does get to the full discount in the group buy I'm going to try to find the money somehow. It would be great if there could be a way of doing something for upgraders, but I suspect that as this is such a great offer and to keep the group buy simple , it probably won't happen.

One other thought - I don't know if this would be possible , but If EW would allow the transfer of the Silver licence , then we could sell Silver to recoup some of the cost I know some companies allow this either for free or for a small fee, but others don't.

Anyone know if licence transfer for EWQLSO is possible / allowed ??

-- Al

[dougrogers]

Dropped another $100!

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Days left: 27 days

[lbsl]

I've just did my purchase (may be within the 25 or was the 26th), but i think that those 81 can be reached easily .

[dougrogers]

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[fozzy]

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Sweet news !


Dropped another $100!

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[_Jochen]

I Bought my update!

Yes!

(hope I am within the first 40´s)

Counter was at 25 but didn´t update...

[_Jochen]

Ähm.

I f I would be with the first 40´s - how do I get am´n Information about this?

Who needs to know wich additional product I ´d like to chose?

Thanx
Jochen

[dougrogers]

Just a reminder - only 15 more buyers will get a choice of any EASTWEST ProSamples Platinum titles for FREE!

There's some good products in the series - Quantum Leap STORMBREAKZ, PERCUSSIVE ADVENTURES 2 LE, ADRENALINE, DRUMKIT FORM HELL 2, AND VAPOR.

More info here -

You can choose from these 5 titles -

Drumkit From Hell 2
PSP-06
Stormbreakz
PSP-07
Vapor Synth Module
PSP-08
Adrenaline
PSP-09
Percussive Adventures 2 LE
PSP-10

They are all great Virtual Instruments and Virtual Sound Modules.

- Doug

[fitch]

Just ordered.. will we be contacted about which prosamples set we want ?

[dougrogers]

Just ordered.. will we be contacted about which prosamples set we want ?

Yes, at the end of the group buy period (December 17) we will contact the first 40 buyers and ask them their choice.

Everyone that has ordered so far is in this group.

- Doug

[wes37]

I just joined the club!

Doug: The website didn't ask for my name as it appears on the credit card, so I sent that information to you via PM. I couldn't find an email address at Sounds Online to send this clarification to.

Back to the group buy: Woo-Hoo!

Wes

[sbkp]

I got in yesterday. I think I was about #17 or so. Woohoo!

Hmmm.... Now I need to go get me a better computer....

- Stefan

[John L.]

Can't resist this one! I'm in too!

[David_Carter]

I'm interested in this group buy but a few non-savvy questions.

1) Is the Kontakt interface similar to the one that comes with Kontakt Gold for Sibelius?

2) If so how many "slots" can you use with this version?

3) Can you use EWQLSO Gold directly with Sibelius?

4) Are the samples convertible to GigaStudio

Thanks

[midphase]

1) Is the Kontakt interface similar to the one that comes with Kontakt Gold for Sibelius?

Yes, perhaps a bit simplified since this is Kompakt, but if you're familiar with the Kontakt interface, Kompakt will feel right at home!

2) If so how many "slots" can you use with this version?

Each instance supports 8 Multi instruments. Of course you can launch several instances in your sequencer for as many instruments as you need.

3) Can you use EWQLSO Gold directly with Sibelius?

I don't know, I think so, any QLSO Sibelius users out there?

4) Are the samples convertible to GigaStudio

No, absolutely not. The samples are copy protected and non convertible so you have to use them within their own Kompakt interface or within Kontakt.

[MarkEdmonds]

If it helps with people making the commitment wondering how many others are joining in - I am 90% certain I will but I can't put the money down for a couple of weeks. Seems I will miss the first 40 offer :(

[dougrogers]

I'm interested in this group buy but a few non-savvy questions.

1) Is the Kontakt interface similar to the one that comes with Kontakt Gold for Sibelius?


David,

The Sibelius Kontakt Gold interface is a much smaller version of our interface which you can look at here (scroll down the page) -

EW-160G

There are lots of GOLD MP3 demos on this page also.

- Doug

[Paul Mellors]

I'm in! Hope I made the 1st 40.

Thanks for the superb deal.

Paul

[Jaibulu]

What's the count at now Doug, how many left until we reach 40?

[David_Carter]

1) Is the Kontakt interface similar to the one that comes with Kontakt Gold for Sibelius?

Yes, perhaps a bit simplified since this is Kompakt, but if you're familiar with the Kontakt interface, Kompakt will feel right at home!

2) If so how many "slots" can you use with this version?

Each instance supports 8 Multi instruments. Of course you can launch several instances in your sequencer for as many instruments as you need.

3) Can you use EWQLSO Gold directly with Sibelius?

I don't know, I think so, any QLSO Sibelius users out there?

4) Are the samples convertible to GigaStudio

No, absolutely not. The samples are copy protected and non convertible so you have to use them within their own Kompakt interface or within Kontakt.

Thanks Midiphase

The Kontakt Gold which comes with Sibelius allows you to use 32 slots/instruments and with my half decent machine I can use all 32 slots. I suspect the samples which come with Kontalt Gold must be a very low grade(?) and I can play a full symphony orchestra live but with no reverb.

Bearing in mind my specs below can anyone give me an idea of how many instruments I'll be able to run with EWQLSO Gold including or excluding reverb?

Presumably, as with VSL and GigaStudio, to mock up a half decent orchestral piece on one machine I will need to do lots of bouncing and mixing.

Thanks again.

[hectic]

1st post for me, 1st purchase here for me. I am in! :D

Hopefully one of the first 40. Will they email us to let us know?


H

[Rabban]

I just had to whip it out (I am, of course, talking about my credit card).

I kept thinking that I have enough virtual instruments/sample libraries but I could NOT pass up this extraordinary offer! :D

Is there any way of finding out if I am one of the first 40 without waiting until the end of the group buy? The wait will kill me! :)

Cheers,

Rabban

[legofred]

I'm also one of those who just purchased Silver, so this offer doesn't feel that attractive right now, thus I will not join the group sale. It would probably be different if I had been using Silver for some time. I think I wouldn't loose much now if I just waited for the next 30% sale at .com. Sooner or later, it will come.

I'm just glad that I didn't purchase Gold two weeks ago like I was considering! But no matter at what time you buy something, there will always be a better offer right afterwards! (Well, maybe not this time! :D )

But thanks for having all these sales and offers!

[Bbbodie]

I'm wondering if we can run a tab here to see how many will actually buy.

Count me 'in' if 80 other people are too.

Agreed, count me in as well. I'll be watching the counts until 12/10 to see where the price is at.

Regards,

Reid

[SteveHanlon]

Well, I've been looking for that Group Buy code to enter in to see the Group buy price entrty fee.


Where is this Group Buy code to enter?

[Jaibulu]

The code is "GROUP"

[dougrogers]

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[dougrogers]

Well, I've been looking for that Group Buy code to enter in to see the Group buy price entrty fee.


Where is this Group Buy code to enter?
EW-160G

You must use this link, the main link for GOLD will not deduct the difference when you enter the Promotional Code GROUP on the check out page.

[sbkp]

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Sweet. I bought in yesterday. Seems like nearly a lock to get to 81. Now how about a group buy for the Gold-To-Platinum upgrade? :D

- Stefan

[Jaibulu]

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Number of subscriptions: 36
Current Price: $ 597,-
Days left: 27 days

I guess I am also one of the lucky 36 who get the extra library, I ordered earlier today. I think people are feeling more comfortable with the price now. I can see once it hits 40 we will see it increase to 80 pretty fast.

[nerual]

I am in too!
I cross my fingers to be one of the first 40 :)

nerual

[bokemon]

Just now I placed my order.
Am I in the first 40?

Order Number: 199496
Order Date: 11/21/2004 20:42:38

[evanevans]

I just bought mine:

Order Number:
199500

Order Date:
11/21/2004 21:02:51

Did I make the bonus?

Evan Evans

[munchkin]

I've got Silver. If I score something in silver how easy is it to convert the score to gold? Does gold have more articulations and instruments or is it just a better quality version of silver? :confused:

I don't do much orchestration in my music so I wonder if I should just stick with silver? I'm mainly creating string parts and some ensemble parts for pop/dance music. Is gold more for people who score for film/tv etc?

[kaipiranha]

Hi! My first post here...

The counter on the first page reads 36... I've just ordered, so I hope I'm still in the first 40. But probably I'm as lucky as I usually am, and in at number 41.

(Order number 199504)

Kai Loebbert
Gelsenkirchen
Germany

[evanevans]

Come on, let's hear who made the cutoff? I eagerly bought to make the cutoff ...

and?

drumroll ..........

[SteveHanlon]

I just ordered mine.

I feel like I'm number 40.

Is there a bonus for being number 40?

[gugliel]

Hope everyone above got in under 40 -- didn't really need the free extras, but the price is beginning to look good ...

[Tosik]

I bought it!
My order number is #199529
and date is 11/22/2004 03:54:50 Pacific
Maybe I'm in first 40...

By the way, how points can I got when I buy this library? If I pay $398, can I be given 398 point?

[dougrogers]

Another $100 drop - the product is now at 50% off!

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Date: Nov-22-04
Number of subscriptions: 63
Current Price: $ 497,-
Days left: 26 days

The highest order number for the first 40 buyers is 199473. If you are order number 199473 or below you qualify for the FREE ProSamples Platinum title.

For the others that didn't make it into the top 40, the price is now 50% off, and it looks like we will easily get to 81 buyers for 60% off - that's double any previous discount - so take advantage of it because GOLD is unlikely to be on sale at this price again!

- Doug

[dougrogers]

I bought it!
My order number is #199529
and date is 11/22/2004 03:54:50 Pacific
Maybe I'm in first 40...

By the way, how many points can I get when I buy this library? If I pay $398, can I be given 398 points?

Yes, everybody that orders gets points also. For those that don't know about our points system, go here -

http://www..com/points.shtml

- Doug

[tgfoo]

Good deal, looks like it'll pass 81 buyers. Now all I have to do is come up with $400....

[Ixox]

Doug,

Will you start shipping when you reach 81 buyers if it's before December the 17th ?
Seems it will be very soon and we will have already paid the final price...

Thanks for this GREAT offer !

Xavier

[dougrogers]

Doug,

Will you start shipping when you reach 81 buyers if it's before December the 17th ?
Seems it will be very soon and we will have already paid the final price...

Thanks for this GREAT offer !

Xavier

Yes, there is no reason to delay shipping once we know the final price for the 'group' which is most likely to be $398.

We only need 18 more orders with 26 days to go!

- Doug

[lbsl]

Yeah it seems a good idea to start shipping once the 81 level is reached or the 100th buyer is reached. No let's start the shipping-process when the 100 buyer level is reached: an extra stimulation for the rest of the potential buyers to reach the levels as quickly as possible :D

[Ixox]

Yes, there is no reason to delay shipping once we know the final price for the 'group' which is most likely to be $398.

Thanks....
Great news...

[sbkp]

We only need 18 more orders with 26 days to go!

- Doug

If this doesn't happen, I plan to lose my faith in humanity... ;)

[Tosik]

Another $100 drop - the product is now at 50% off!

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Date: Nov-22-04
Number of subscriptions: 63
Current Price: $ 497,-
Days left: 26 days

The highest order number for the first 40 buyers is 199473. If you are order number 199473 or below you qualify for the FREE ProSamples Platinum title.

- Doug

Oh, no!!
I can't resieve the FREE ProSamples....
Ahh~~~ :(


Yes, everybody that orders gets points also. For those that don't know about our points system, go here -

http://www..com/points.shtml

- Doug

Thank you very much!
I have understood the Point System. :)

[midphase]

Since there are a lot of Silver owners interested in this offer that don't receive any added benefit in the form of trade in value, I think it would be fair to extend the Pro Samples Platinum offer to those registered Silver owners as well!

I mean, a newcomer is going to save $600 over this deal, while myself and others who have purchased Silver will at best only save $300!


Doug? Any thoughts on this? You would be rewarding customer loyalty!

[janila]

Not a bad idea. Not at all. A newcomer within the first 40 people ordering will propably be saving about $730. :mad: :rolleyes: ;)

[jack meginniss]

Doug,

In post #195 of the EWQLSO PROFESSIONAL UPGRADE NEWS thread of the EastWest forum, the response was "You need to purchase Gold first, then you will eligible for the 30% discount for the GoldPro Upgrade until December 31, 2004."

For those of us that have purchased Gold via the Group Buy offer, what would the cost of upgrading to GoldPro before December 31st actually be?

That is, assuming the final price for Gold will be $398, would the Gold Pro upgrade cost be ~ $696.50 (calculation: 70% * $995) or would the upgrade cost actually be ~ $1114.40 (calculation: 70% * $1592)?

Thanks,

Jack Meginniss

[organix]

The highest order number for the first 40 buyers is 199473. If you are order number 199473 or below you qualify for the FREE ProSamples Platinum title.


Oh damn, missed it, I got 199479.
I thought to catch the first 40, because the official counter here was 25 as made my order.

But ok, I'm sure we'll have 81 soon and we all get a 60% discount, really nice.

-Markus-

[midphase]

Doug,

How about honoring the request for a Pro Samples Platinum title for us Silver owners?

I know that you guys don't "have" to do that, and I do realize it all in all it's still a good deal no matter how one looks at it, but it would sure seem to be a fair way to deal with the many Silver loyal users whose business East West has enjoyed through the years. I can't imagine it costing you guys more than a dozen or so additional copies, but it will earn you a lot more in lots of very happy and returning customers.

So how about it?

[lbsl]

Not a bad idea. Not at all. A newcomer within the first 40 people ordering will propably be saving about $730. :mad: :rolleyes: ;)

So this means that i get $730 as an early Christmas present from EastWest. :eek:
ThanQ EastWest :D

Well could have turned this around:don't buy gold, request the 730 bucks instead and pick various other sampler-cd's for free :P

[midphase]

Here's another question for Doug....

Will you guys start shipping the orders as soon as they reach the 80+ number? I mean, since at that point there are no additional discount milestones it would make sense right? I mean, at the current rate, you should have well over 80 orders by week's end!

Or perhaps you should add another discount milestone at 200? hehe!

No, seriously, are you guys going to wait 27 days to start shipping no matter what? You see....I have this project starting the first week of December and I'd love to do it in Gold!

[wes37]

Here's another question for Doug....

Will you guys start shipping the orders as soon as they reach the 80+ number? I mean, since at that point there are no additional discount milestones it would make sense right? I mean, at the current rate, you should have well over 80 orders by week's end!

Or perhaps you should add another discount milestone at 200? hehe!

No, seriously, are you guys going to wait 27 days to start shipping no matter what? You see....I have this project starting the first week of December and I'd love to do it in Gold! On page 15 of this thread, Doug did say they would ship as soon as the 81st copy was sold. He agreed that there was no need to wait. FYI

[midphase]

I'm glad somebody bothered to read all 16 pages of this thread! :D

[wes37]

I'm glad somebody bothered to read all 16 pages of this thread! :D I have no life! :D

[midphase]

Ok, one more question....does the promotion extend beyond 100 orders or are you guys not selling more than 100 copies at that price?

[Hasen]

I think there are many Silver owners here who feel they should get more of a discount or special offer for owning Silver and upgrading to Gold, even if it is through this special group buy. Why do we not get on advantage over people who have not purchased EWQLSO in any version? I'm not suggesting we should get the full price of Silver off from the final gold group buy price...that would be too much.....but we should get _something_.....

[Existence]

Ok, one more question....does the promotion extend beyond 100 orders or are you guys not selling more than 100 copies at that price?

This was answered by Doug Rogers early on as well:


Topic: Re: EWQLSO GOLD GROUP BUY!
dougrogers
Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2001

"There is no limit, but the minimum price will be $398."

Regards,

David

[midphase]

Bless you guys for having the time to go through all of the posts! :D

[sbkp]

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Date: Nov-22-04
Number of subscriptions: 82
Current Price: $ 398,-
Days left: 26 days

Woohoo!

[hectic]

Yay! 82 purchased already!

[synthnut]

When you really look at the grand scheme of things, $398 is cheaper than most companies charge for an upgrade, and you have a COMPLETE program..
Even if you have Silver, and paid full price for it , you are now getting Gold for probably less than you paid for Silver !!....This is the worst case scenario ..How much would it cost you for another program of the same quality, and the same amount of instruments ?.... How much for VSL of this quality ?....
$398 for Gold is still the deal of the year, and if you can swing the Pro upgrade, it's another 30% off until the end of the year for a smokin setup !!

[dougrogers]

You people are amazing!!

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Date: Nov-22-04
Number of subscriptions: 82
Current Price: $ 398,-
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We will start shipping after we get the info from the first 40 about which title they want. The other orders will start going out tomorrow.

For those that haven't ordered yet, this offer will go on to December 17, tell all your musician friends (or buy them one for Christmas) to take advantage of this extraordinary 60% off discount while it lasts!

- Doug

[Stillfox]

Thanks, Doug!!!

[dougrogers]

Doug,

In post #195 of the EWQLSO PROFESSIONAL UPGRADE NEWS thread of the EastWest forum, the response was "You need to purchase Gold first, then you will eligible for the 30% discount for the GoldPro Upgrade until December 31, 2004."

For those of us that have purchased Gold via the Group Buy offer, what would the cost of upgrading to GoldPro before December 31st actually be?

That is, assuming the final price for Gold will be $398, would the Gold Pro upgrade cost be ~ $696.50 (calculation: 70% * $995) or would the upgrade cost actually be ~ $1114.40 (calculation: 70% * $1592)?

Thanks,

Jack Meginniss

Jack,

That would be like giving with one hand and taking with the other, wouldn't it? The price will be 30% off the normal price, so $696.50 - but remember, the offer ends December 31 unless all pre-ordered reserved copies are sold out before that date.

For those interested, the link to order is here -

EW-160PRO

Please read the terms and conditions of the offer carefully.

- Doug

[Jaibulu]

Great to hear you will be shipping ASAP. Since the price reached $398, I'll definitely be getting the Pro upgrade!

[wes37]

We will start shipping after we get the info from the first 40 about which title they want.

- Doug

Doug,

How should we let you know?

Thanks,
Wes

[dougrogers]

Doug,

How should we let you know?

Thanks,
Wes

You will be contacted shortly.

- Doug

[bokemon]

Doug, is it possible for you to ship Free Virtual Instruments Collection (EW-VICD) with GOLD with no additional shipping charge? I asked EastWest about this a few days ago but I haven't received a reply yet. I'd like to get them together if possible since shipping is free this time.

My Order Number is 199496

bokemon

[John L.]

Wow I never thought we would hit 82 already, this will be a great holiday season with some great new toys! :) :) :)

[midphase]

I think at this rate will be selling about 300-500 copies by the time the offer is over!

All in all a good Xmas for everyone involved (and a strong message sent to all the developers). Price does make a huge difference and competitive pricing brings in customers....lots of customers! In just a couple of days East West has just made over $30k! I say by the time the offer is over they will have generated well over $100k Not bad for a month's work!

Doug, I suggest that you guys put something else up quick if you want to double that!


Also, since you guys are apparently not budging on the Pro Samples for us Silver users....how about you throw in the free VI Sampler Demo disk? Worst thing that could happen is that it might make us want to buy more stuff!! :eek:

[Sean Beeson]

Aye Mr. Midphase, some serious cash could be made, well already has been, but even more could be made.

Beeson

[Not Dudley Simpson]

All in all a good Xmas for everyone involved (and a strong message sent to all the developers). Price does make a huge difference...

Price and a ticking clock. Tick-tock. That's the first thing they teach at Harvard Business School - snake oil at half price for one day only!!!


I'm being mischievous of course. It's a world class library at a superb price. In fact it's quite literally the deal of the century as far as samples go. I'd get it myself but I've plain run out of computers. In effect, it would cost me another grand in hardware to use this baby effectively.


Maybe the next group buy could include bundled PCs. I'm not kidding either!

[dougrogers]

Doug, is it possible for you to ship Free Virtual Instruments Collection (EW-VICD) with GOLD with no additional shipping charge? I asked EastWest about this a few days ago but I haven't received a reply yet. I'd like to get them together if possible since shipping is free this time.

My Order Number is 199496

bokemon

As I said earlier in the thread, everyone gets the free Virtual Instruments Sampler disc that orders anything from us.

- Doug

[caveman]

Doug or other users


I am tempted to get this Gold library too. However I have a few questions:


I currently am using 24 bit when recording and see that EWQLSO Gold is 16 bit. I want to run this together with my other virtual instruments such as Stylus RMX which is 24 bit and other Virtual Instruments wich is also 24 bit. Does this mean if I set my sequencer at 24 bit and Gold is at 16 bit that I cannot use Gold at the same time?

Also I have Giga3 and it works fine, havent had any issues in Rewire Mode. Do you think Gold will be able to run on the same system if Giga is in Rewire? I got G3 Ensemble because of the Piano/Organs etc.I will have it all on the same system and wont do huge orchestral arragements and if I do Ill just bounce a lot. Currently using Cubase Sx3. And Pentium 3.4 Ghz 2GB RAM.

Aaarghhhh this is a tough choice, what should I do?

Caveman

[midphase]

Does this mean if I set my sequencer at 24 bit and Gold is at 16 bit that I cannot use Gold at the same time?


You'll be fine, your sequencer should up/down convert the audio source files on the fly. In the case of QLSO Gold, it will simply add 4 null bits of information to all of the samples coming in when you mixdown. You won't notice a thing!



As far as Gold and GS3, I dunno....historically GS doesn't like to play nice with other apps.

[Michiel Post]

You people are amazing!!
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Date: Nov-22-04
Number of subscriptions: 82
- Doug
Hey hey, this is incredible! Congrats to everyone involved. The Group Buy Concept is a huge succes and -best of all- it's here to stay!

[wes37]

....historically GS doesn't like to play nice with other apps. As a GS user myself, I noticed that GS really doesn't like one particular bit of software....the Operating System.

[cryocon]

I just went to order the EWQSLO Gold, but noticed at the bottom of the page that i will be liable for import duty and VAT. I'm in the UK so i know what the VAT will be, but can't find anything that tells me how much import duty will be.

Does anyone in the UK have any idea about this?

[dougrogers]

Hey hey, this is incredible! Congrats to everyone involved. The Group Buy Concept is a huge succes and -best of all- it's here to stay!

Well, we all have to thank you Michiel for bringing the 'group buy' concept to Northernsounds. I know it's been done elsewhere before, but not this successfully. It shows that the people here are serious about their art.

- Doug

[Joseph Burrell]

As a GS user myself, I noticed that GS really doesn't like one particular bit of software....the Operating System.

OMG LOL!

Congratulations Doug and Nick! :p

[Magpie]

I just went to order the EWQSLO Gold, but noticed at the bottom of the page that i will be liable for import duty and VAT. I'm in the UK so i know what the VAT will be, but can't find anything that tells me how much import duty will be.

Does anyone in the UK have any idea about this?

I would like to know this also please !

[dougrogers]

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Date: Nov-23-04
Number of subscriptions: 106
Current Price: $ 398,-
Days left: 25 days

[andyt]

I just went to order the EWQSLO Gold, but noticed at the bottom of the page that i will be liable for import duty and VAT. I'm in the UK so i know what the VAT will be, but can't find anything that tells me how much import duty will be.

Does anyone in the UK have any idea about this?
I have bought from the states a few times. Some of the distributors are very careful to label the packages so as to minimise the duty (legally). Some will just put the value of he disks, rather than the purchase price .... I think will do this for you, but you have send an e-mail requesting it.

Otherwise you will get stung for 17.5%

Interesting the major couriers now pay this for you, so it doesnt get held up in customs, and then bill you directly for processing it directly, plus a small adin fee.

[jack meginniss]

Doug wrote

"That would be like giving with one hand and taking with the other, wouldn't it? The price will be 30% off the normal price, so $696.50 - but remember, the offer ends December 31 unless all pre-ordered reserved copies are sold out before that date.

For those interested, the link to order is here -

http://www..com/sophtml...l?sku=EW-160PRO"

Thanks for the reply Doug. That is too good of an offer for one to pass up - definitely an excellent deal on a superb library.

Jack

[organix]

@DougRogers
How EastWest handle international shipments?
Will the product shipped directly from EastWest or are any agreements with the distributors?

I've heard there are legal possibilities to keep down duty and taxes, for example by label the product with the value of the disks instead of the purchase price. Is EastWest interested in keeping any fees low or is it too much work for handle this?

For example, I'm a german customer and registered by this Group-Buy. Anyone knows how much additional fees I can expect. Is all the duty clearance automatically handled by EastWest or is it necessary for me to do anything. Anyone here to enlighten me a bit on these things?

thanks.
Markus

[MalteRathke]

@DougRogers
How EastWest handle international shipments?
Will the product shipped directly from EastWest or are any agreements with the distributors?

I've heard there are legal possibilities to keep down duty and taxes, for example by label the product with the value of the disks instead of the purchase price. Is EastWest interested in keeping any fees low or is it too much work for handle this?

For example, I'm a german customer and registered by this Group-Buy. Anyone knows how much additional fees I can expect. Is all the duty clearance automatically handled by EastWest or is it necessary for me to do anything. Anyone here to enlighten me a bit on these things?

thanks.
MarkusHi Markus,

.. I just sent an email to .com regarding taxes/duty, as you know, I'm from germany too and although this group buy is a real give-away, I'd like to (legally) safe some more dollars http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Malte

[GigaLove]

Hi Markus,

.. I just sent an email to .com regarding taxes/duty, as you know, I'm from germany too and although this group buy is a real give-away, I'd like to (legally) safe some more dollars http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Malte




I am from germany, too. please let me know what we have to expect concerning duty. I once ordered from sonic reality which was quite unpleasant because they did not add a propper bill into the package. lots of trouble with the german customs.

[midphase]

Hello Doug,

I just placed an order with Stefan this morning for QLSO Gold with the group buy. Could you please verify that you got it.

Also, since I am about 10 minutes away from you guys...can I come and pick it up (you get to save $12 on shipping :p )?

Danka!

[Nigel W]

Yes, I think a lot of US firms aren't really conscious of this aspect.

I just ordered the BigFish Prosonus Orchestral Collection (has some nice stuff, but not terrific and the player interface is very basic - samples are encrypted too, so you're stuck with that)-

anyway, it cost $249 (about 190 Euros) with free shipping;
and I paid $67 (around 52 Euros) on top of that in customs charges.

A big extra and not a pleasant suprise. Better would have been a system where you can download the product (the Plugin), paying full price via the Web, and the Library is sent as a backup CD/DVD with a minimal value.

Nigel

[Mark UK]

I just wanted to say what a great marketing piece.... I can't see why anyone not owning EWQLSO wouldn't jump on board!

Great, Great, Great!!!

Now that the 82 has been reached, will shipments be despatched earlier than mid December?

Thanks

Mark

[Mark UK]

Yes, I think a lot of US firms aren't really conscious of this aspect.

I just ordered the BigFish Prosonus Orchestral Collection (has some nice stuff, but not terrific and the player interface is very basic - samples are encrypted too, so you're stuck with that)-

anyway, it cost $249 (about 190 Euros) with free shipping;
and I paid $67 (around 52 Euros) on top of that in customs charges.

A big extra and not a pleasant suprise. Better would have been a system where you can download the product (the Plugin), paying full price via the Web, and the Library is sent as a backup CD/DVD with a minimal value.

Nigel

I was just wondering ...

To help with this, (I am in the UK and have to pay customs too) can you do one of the following possibly:

1) Either declare the value of the product to be $398 as opposed to $995??
or
2) Declare the shipment as "promotional material"

[midphase]

Ok, perhaps it's time for betting?

Anyone interested in wagering how high the orders are going to go?

I say when all is said and done, by the end of the month they will have exceeded 300 orders!


Anyone care to counter?

[PaPa Chalk]

Ok, perhaps it's time for betting?

Anyone interested in wagering how high the orders are going to go?

I say when all is said and done, by the end of the month they will have exceeded 300 orders!


Anyone care to counter?
I'm with you on 300. If it goes above i'm sure that would probably be a record for sample forums if not very close. hmmm.. I wonder what the record is.:cool:


What a great response to a great deal.

[cryocon]

Better would have been a system where you can download the product (the Plugin), paying full price via the Web, and the Library is sent as a backup CD/DVD with a minimal value.

Nigel

I would prefer to download the whole lot, then no worry about waiting for delivery, import duty, etc. Surely it makes more sense this way, and would save on packaging costs.

I have been put off ordering this until these issues of what the package will be marked as and how much import duty we will be stung for.

[Martin Hines]

...It shows that the people here are serious about their art.

- Doug
That is possible. Other possibilities:

- people have too much money

- people are buying with money they would have used on Chistmas presents for others (e.g. my kids don't need more toys, I do!!)

- people are using money they would have used for other purchases (who needs FOOD when I can have great SAMPLES!!)

- regardless of financial situation, people just can't pass up a good "deal"

[dougrogers]

Hello Doug,

I just placed an order with Stefan this morning for QLSO Gold with the group buy. Could you please verify that you got it.

Also, since I am about 10 minutes away from you guys...can I come and pick it up (you get to save $12 on shipping :p )?

Danka!

I'm not at the office, I'm working on three HUGE projects right now, but if you call Stefan 310-271-6969, I'm sure he can arrange this.

Thanks for the order,

- Doug

[dougrogers]

Regarding international orders - everything is invoiced at $398. If customs query the price (sometimes they look up the product online) point them to this thread to prove what you paid for it.

- Doug

[dougrogers]

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Date: Nov-23-04
Number of subscriptions: 123
Current Price: $ 398,-
Days left: 25 days

[kaipiranha]

To my German countrymen:

I've ordered from before. Expect to add 16% of import taxes (same as the "Mehrwertsteuer") and a little FedEx fee. Since the Euro is REALLY strong right now, I think this is completely acceptable.

Apart from that:

Isn't the human mind strange? I've got an incredible deal, and I'm still somewhat disappointed, because I didn't make it into the Top 40, and that's just because I was busy in the studio mixing a Nu Metal band (read: no keyboards, no orchestral mock-ups, just plain noise) on Sunday evening (German time). Percussive Adventures 2 LE for free would have been sweet...

Note to myself: Stop complaining! This is still an incredible deal. An INCREDIBLE deal! (And at least I wasn't number 41.)

Note to Doug: This group buy thing is a great concept. I wouldn't have thought of ordering your library in the forseeable future, because I already own the First Edition of, er, another library, and I'm basically on a tight budget. But this offer was too good to pass up... (I have no kids, and my girl friend will get a kiss under the mistle-toe, which is a really romantic gesture and more than can be expected for Christmas from a guy like me. So far for the Christmas presents I can't afford any longer.)
So this is $398 in your pocket you wouldn't have gained otherwise, and I guess I'm far from being the only one who jumped on the bandwagon only because of this marvellous discount. So it's a win-win situation, isn't it?!

I've got to close now, because I still need to decide between the Old Lady and the Emperor... (Well, make that TWO kisses under the mistle-toe.)

Keep your fingers crossed that my family will be generous on Christmas Eve, or that this Nu Metal band will have an unexpected breakthrough within the next four weeks or so.

Thank you, Doug. Best regards from the north-west of Germany (where - in contrast to common misconceptions - we don't wear funny leather trousers and have no clue of how to yodel, but still like beer. Except for me, that is).

Kai

P.S.: My bet is 12.476 orders in total on December 17th. But I have been wrong before.

[midphase]

Doug: I'm not at the office, I'm working on three HUGE projects right now


Hmmmm....3 huge projects? Did you say 3 HHHHUUUUUUUUGGGGEEE projects?

By any chance you're not willing to leak out a bit of info are you? Just a little hint perhaps?

[janila]

1. EWQLSC choir?

2. EWQLSO Pro updates??

3. EWQLwhat??? Tell us more. :p

[koolkeys]

I really shouldn't be reading this. I know I can't quite afford this, and it bums me out to see I could have gotten this LESS THAN A MONTH LATER for the Gold edition, instead of the silver. :mad:

Since the number is already at the highest, and Silver upgrades will not effect the outcome, just a few more dollars in your pocket that would not have been there, is there ANYTHING that can be worked out? Maybe charge for shipping? Or make it so that if we order something else from at regular price, we can make a discount on the Gold upgrade?

Sorry, just ideas. Trying to help myself have a better Christmas. :(

If not, I'm jealous of you guys who didn't just get the Silver. Wish I had waited a couple weeks.

Koolkeys

[swayzak]

Would I really notice a difference between the 16 bit gold and 24 bit platinum samples ?

Thinking VERY hard about the group buy ;)

[KevinKauai]

I'm confused. For USA customers, will this be coming from OUTSIDE the USA?

thanks ... KevinKauai

[dougrogers]

I'm confused. For USA customers, will this be coming from OUTSIDE the USA?

thanks ... KevinKauai

The shipments are being sent from our fulfillment center in San Francisco.

- Doug

[Lux]

Regarding international orders - everything is invoiced at $398. If customs query the price (sometimes they look up the product online) point them to this thread to prove what you paid for it.

- Doug
hi Doug, about to join, although I'm a Silver user, its a great buy.

Can be declared the price of the good (CD) instead of the price of the license?

In my country duties people dunno nothing about samples, so they guess I bought a phisical good and they charge me that way. But i bought a license to use, i guess.

Thanks
Luca

[janila]

I really shouldn't be reading this. I know I can't quite afford this, and it bums me out to see I could have gotten this LESS THAN A MONTH LATER for the Gold edition, instead of the silver. :mad:I share your feelings as I just got my Silver and haven't yet even tried it out properly. I ordered it as an impulse buy with the Opus1 (which was less of an impulse decision :rolleyes: ) and after that I really don't feel like spending $396 for another orchestral library that doesn't necessarily improve my setup that much. The $280 I suggested for Silver users (the same 60% discount for the $700 Silver-to-Gold upgrade) would have been too good to miss and it would have been a really nice gesture for their loyal customers. Of course I understand that the $396 price is an incredible deal for anyone really needing this library.

Still I don't regret buying the Silver as it has some essential instruments that the Gold doesn't have and is in a lightweight form hopefully allowing me to use the full orchestra while composing on a laptop that has a limited amount of memory. I will propably get the Silver Pro as it is only half of the Gold price when ordered in december and actually suits my needs better. Of course it would have been nice to get the Gold too.

[Rabban]

The highest order number for the first 40 buyers is 199473. If you are order number 199473 or below you qualify for the FREE ProSamples Platinum title.

- Doug

Hello Doug,

I know some people who were part of the first 40 were contacted already asking them which ProSamples Platinum title they want. I was wondering if you guys have contacted everyone yet because my order was 199471 and I haven't heard anything so far.

Also, congratulations on an enormously successful group buy!! :D

Cheers,

David Petch
AKA Rabban

[wpmusic]

Hi Doug:

Congratulations on a great group buy! I'm new to this forum, but I can say that this is a great deal for those of us who make music for a living (and for all who can participate, actually!). I was referred here from a pro audio/music website and will spend more time here, now that I know that this forum is here.

I am interested in getting on board for the EWQLSO Gold Group Buy, but I have a question: since you have more than the requisite number of orders already, is there any way that we could get the product BEFORE the Dec 17th date? As in ASAP? What if we individually paid for the shipping?

The reason I ask is this: I was going to order the EWQLSO Silver Edition for a project that I HAVE to start ASAP. As I am one of those who derive my entire income from music only, I wondered if there was any way of taking advantage of this great situation (did I mention that you have done a WONDERFUL thing with this group buy here?) getting the great discount (did I mention what a great deal this was?) and getting the product to use right away (did I mention that I make my living from music ONLY?... )?

All jesting aside, I really appreciate this great deal and just wondered if there was any way to expedite the situation. Thanks in advance for your answer.

will

[wes37]

Will,

Doug already posted that shipping will begin immediately now that the magic number has been reached. FYI

Wes

[OchreJelly]

Darn. Why did I just buy Silver!? If I had known I could have gotten GOLD for around twice the price I paid for Silver, I'd have waited till now. And after reading this thread, I'm seeing that one cannot count Silver's purchase price towards this offer. This is a bit dissapointing. If we could, I'd be on board like that, but I just can't afford $600 bucks right now; the price of Silver and the group-buy price of Gold together. I wouldn't have much use for Silver if I were to invest in Gold, either...I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place...

*Le sigh*

Ah, well, I'll have to go with a less pricey Christmas gift for myself! :D

[wpmusic]

Hi Wes:

Thanks for the FYI. You might have guessed that I read the beginning of this thread and skipped around a bit trying to get a feel for the situation. Indeed I missed the post about the 'already shipping' thing and I apologize for that. Thanks for letting me know. I'm off to order now...

will

[Looper]

Darn. Why did I just buy Silver!? If I had known I could have gotten GOLD for around twice the price I paid for Silver, I'd have waited till now. And after reading this thread, I'm seeing that one cannot count Silver's purchase price towards this offer. This is a bit dissapointing. If we could, I'd be on board like that, but I just can't afford $600 bucks right now; the price of Silver and the group-buy price of Gold together. I wouldn't have much use for Silver if I were to invest in Gold, either...I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place...

*Le sigh*

Ah, well, I'll have to go with a less pricey Christmas gift for myself! :D

$600 is still 40% off the regular price of GOLD so that's still a pretty good deal. Somebody mentioned that Silver would be perfect for a laptop system.

[Martin Hines]

Darn. Why did I just buy Silver!? If I had known I could have gotten GOLD for around twice the price I paid for Silver, I'd have waited till now. And after reading this thread, I'm seeing that one cannot count Silver's purchase price towards this offer. This is a bit dissapointing. One can never predict when sales will occur. Sometimes one is lucky, and sometimes one is unlucky.

Another point to consider is the "Pro Upgrade". I would assume that most current EWQLSO owners (Silver, Gold, and Platinum) are interested in buying the Pro upgrade. A "Silver + Silver Pro" is a lot less expensive than "Gold + Gold Pro".

As Doug mentioned in another thread, even with this great buy and the 30% Gold Pro upgrade, the total cost of "Gold + Gold Pro" will still be over $1000.

[brasspig]

From browsing the site, I see that you only ship to billing addresses, but (of course) not to P.O. Boxes. This leaves me in predicament as I have a P.O. Box at my billing addres. I have other ship to locations approved on my card.

I would have already joined in the Group Buy but I don't know how to work this unless I call you to place the order. Is that what must be done?

D. Sorah

[asatama]

Hi.

I have ordered GOLD at this page:
EW-160G
I would join to GOLD GROUP BUY.

But I had forgot enter a promotional-code "GROUP" before checkout.

In this case, do I have to pay $995?

Here is a quotation of a mail that I recieved after this order.


EWQL Symphonic Orchestra Gold Edition Group 1 $995.00
--------
Subtotal $995.00
Tax $0.00
Shipping $0.00
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Total $995.00


____________
asatama.

[SteveHanlon]

As Doug mentioned in another thread, even with this great buy and the 30% Gold Pro upgrade, the total cost of "Gold + Gold Pro" will still be over $1000.

Actually, it's a little staggering to think how clever these business folk are (and no insult intended at all). I somehow admire people who can take old stock and know how to get it out and then introduce new stock (Pro edition) which essentially (after the upgrade) is like buying Gold when it first came out.

I mean, you gotta clear the storage house somehow.

But in no way do i feel suckered. I think working with Gold (Pro or not) will be a wonderful experience.

Thanks for this group buy!! Sincerely.

[midphase]

Just one last urgent plea to let us Silver owners be able to qualify for the free Pro Samples Platinum product (of your choice?) even if we don't fall in the first 40 orders! Pleeeeeeez.......pleeeeeeeeeezzz.......wwhhhhaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa!


Ok, that was it, last time I mention it...promise! ;)

[Martin Hines]

Hi.

I have ordered GOLD at this page:
EW-160G
I would join to GOLD GROUP BUY.

But I had forgot enter a promotional-code "GROUP" before checkout.

In this case, do I have to pay $995?

I would suggest calling East-West as soon as possible:


If the matter is urgent you can call EASTWEST at USA 310-271-6969 (M-F 9am-5pm Los Angeles time).

[asatama]

Hi Martin.
Thank you for your advice.
But I cant speak English, oops!
So I am going to send e-mail for East-West as soon as possible.

Umm, I already own QLSO-Silver.
It's too expensive to purchase GOLD with $995.00!

I would suggest calling East-West as soon as possible:

[dougrogers]

Hi Martin.
Thank you for your advice.
But I cant speak English, oops!
So I am going to send e-mail for East-West as soon as possible.

Umm, I already own QLSO-Silver.
It's too expensive to purchase GOLD with $995.00!

Don't worry, quite a few have forgotten to use the GROUP promo code but we're catching them all and refunding the difference.

- Doug

[dougrogers]

Hello Doug,

I know some people who were part of the first 40 were contacted already asking them which ProSamples Platinum title they want. I was wondering if you guys have contacted everyone yet because my order was 199471 and I haven't heard anything so far.

Also, congratulations on an enormously successful group buy!! :D

Cheers,

David Petch
AKA Rabban

Send an email to jennifer@eastwestsounds.com and tell her this. I was told everyone had been contacted, but sometimes email screws up.

- Doug

[dougrogers]

From browsing the site, I see that you only ship to billing addresses, but (of course) not to P.O. Boxes. This leaves me in predicament as I have a P.O. Box at my billing addres. I have other ship to locations approved on my card.

I would have already joined in the Group Buy but I don't know how to work this unless I call you to place the order. Is that what must be done?

D. Sorah

Yes, call SOUNDS ONLINE (800) 969-9449 or EASTWEST (800) 833-8339 and other arrangements will be made. If you have problems send me a PM.

- Doug

[dougrogers]

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Date: Nov-24-04
Number of subscriptions: 133
Current Price: $ 398,-
Days left: 24 days

[asatama]

Hi Doug. Thank you for your quickly reply!


Don't worry, quite a few have forgotten to use the GROUP promo code but we're catching them all and refunding the difference.

Wow :D
I’m greatly relieved to hear that.
Then, I'm looking forward to recieve GOLD with pleasure!


Many thanks,
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asatama

[Paul Vicory]

Thanks Doug for this generous group buy, it is much appreciated.

[Mandarin Man]

If you upgrade Gold to Gold Pro, will you have the exact same number of samples than the Platinum (Pro) Edition, only 16 bit?

Thanks

[andyt]

You get exactly the same articulations, but you don't get the close and far mic'd versions (which is not a big deal to many people to be honest) ...

[Jaibulu]

I think the far mics are important as that is the advantage of this library. It being recorded in a concert hall you are able to take advantage of the natural acoustics instead of adding reverb which is never like the real thing. All libraries should be recorded with a 3 mic setup.

[Mandarin Man]

So what's the difference between Platinum and Platinum Pro?

[Jaibulu]

So what's the difference between Platinum and Platinum Pro?

The only difference as far as I know is that you get the extra mics, which to me is important in order to achieve the maximum natural acoustics of an orchestra.

[Lux]

The only difference as far as I know is that you get the extra mics, which to me is important in order to achieve the maximum natural acoustics of an orchestra.
hmmm...not exactly,

Platinum pro will have same ambient and a lot of new instruments articulations. Check on EWQL forum for the complete list.

Luca

[John L.]

:) :) :) :) Wahoo! Gold and Drumkit from Hell2 were waiting for me at the door when I came home from work. Thanks Doug for the great service I hope you sell a thousand of them!

[Jaibulu]

hmmm...not exactly,

Platinum pro will have same ambient and a lot of new instruments articulations. Check on EWQL forum for the complete list.

Luca

Sorry I am blind, I was thinking Gold to Platinum.

[sbkp]

Three minutes ago, FedEx just dropped off QLSO Gold and Percussive Adventures 2! I thought *I* was going to be first to post...

Way to go, EW. You guys were really on top of this.

Is it too late to cancel Thanksgiving? :D

- Stefan

[wes37]

Gold and the Vapor Synth were at my doorstep today as well.

...I thought Christmas was next month!? :D

Ironically, the orchestral scores I ordered from Dover also came in today...I guess I'll have plenty to do over the weekend!

Doug: Thank you for the fast delivery!

Wes

[hectic]

Same here, Gold and Vapor arrived today! :D

Thank you Doug and the rest of the EW gang!

[dougrogers]

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[John L.]

Finished installing Gold on my AMD64 3200+ laptop with 768 megs of ram, My God these sounds are to die for!!! Runs great as a VST in Sonar 3PE and in Tracktion. I'm going to be very busy this weekend just listening to all of these great articulations, Thanks again for this fantastic bargain, All I can say is WOW!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

[Rabban]

Send an email to jennifer@eastwestsounds.com and tell her this. I was told everyone had been contacted, but sometimes email screws up.

- Doug

I contacted Jennifer and everything is sorted out! :D

You guys are great!

Cheers,

Rabban

[janila]

Just one last urgent plea to let us Silver owners be able to qualify for the free Pro Samples Platinum product (of your choice?) even if we don't fall in the first 40 orders! Pleeeeeeez.......pleeeeeeeeeezzz.......wwhhhhaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa!


Ok, that was it, last time I mention it...promise! ;)Well then this is going to be the last time here when I say that I agree with you. :p Not that I assume we are going to get any bonus libraries as the Gold is already selling like hot cakes. :rolleyes: An additional Pro Samples product would be nice thou. :o An additional bonus smiley: :D

[StrangeCat]

totally new but been lurking for a year now. ;)

I have read tons of great reviews of EWQLSO GOLD. I have one question however, how does the multis interprert the music? For instance since I would be scoring in Sibelius and do not have two computers I would need to save that score as a midi file and load it up in Sonar Producer 3 then go about recording tracks with EWQLSO Gold in that sequncer. Does EWQLSO follow the written score correctly, the written notation? I own Kontakt so I am familure with the layout.
I posted this group buy on four different forums including Sibelius :D
Please let me know exactly how EWQLSO Gold performs the music. Thanks!

[legofred]

Originally Posted by midphase
Just one last urgent plea to let us Silver owners be able to qualify for the free Pro Samples Platinum product (of your choice?) even if we don't fall in the first 40 orders! Pleeeeeeez.......pleeeeeeeeeezzz.......wwhhhhaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa!I don't think that will happen, but since they (EW) haven't answered any of the questions or wishes regarding this directly, I'm still wondering if they are considering something.

I have decided to go for the Silver Pro upgrade instead. But after this spectacular group buy offer, I have a feeling that if I order today, I will see a far better offer appear tomorrow. Will I regret if I upgrade to Silver Pro now? :D I'm quite shure there will be more group buy's because this seems to have been a great success!

[janila]

I don't think that will happen, but since they (EW) haven't answered any of the questions or wishes regarding this directly, I'm still wondering if they are considering something.

I have decided to go for the Silver Pro upgrade instead. But after this spectacular group buy offer, I have a feeling that if I order today, I will see a far better offer appear tomorrow. Will I regret if I upgrade to Silver Pro now? :D I'm quite shure there will be more group buy's because this seems to have been a great success!I'm thinking about the Silver Pro too. I feel tempted by this group buy but maybe not tempted enough as I don't have a real need for Gold. I think Silver Pro is a safe buy because there is already a 30% discount if you order during 2004 and therefore it is very unlikely that the pro updates will be discounted in any other way in a long time. And then you will have a pro library instead of a discounted regular one. :D

[legofred]

I think (...) it is very unlikely that the pro updates will be discounted in any other way in a long time. They said it would most likely not be discounted during the first 6 months after the release. But it would be strange if they had a 30% sale, excluding the Pro upgrades only? And no one can sue them for having a sale!

Well, I just ordered Silver Pro, and will print out the articulation list and hang it on the wall next to my bed :D

[wes37]

totally new but been lurking for a year now. ;)

I have read tons of great reviews of EWQLSO GOLD. I have one question however, how does the multis interprert the music? For instance since I would be scoring in Sibelius and do not have two computers I would need to save that score as a midi file and load it up in Sonar Producer 3 then go about recording tracks with EWQLSO Gold in that sequncer. Does EWQLSO follow the written score correctly, the written notation? I own Kontakt so I am familure with the layout.
I posted this group buy on four different forums including Sibelius :D
Please let me know exactly how EWQLSO Gold performs the music. Thanks!
Well, I can't tell you EXACTLY how it works, but the concept is that when you load a patch and assign that track in your sequencer to it, the sequencer will play exactly what you tell it to. The only "problem" is that all orchestral libraries are somewhat limited in their abilities to model the natural changes a real player can manipulate out of their instrument.

For example, a violinist can play a pizzacato passage that is followed by a legato passage followed (or even interspersed with) some trills. A sample library can't follow all the changes as each sample only captures one techinque (for the most part....some libraries like Garritan Personal Orchestra have keyswitches that better enable you to "follow along" on one track). So to replicate the passage, you would have to load the pizzacato string patch, the legato patch, and the trill on separate tracks and have the sequencer only play the parts for each that it's supposed to. You then have to tweak your controller data to match the attacks, legato, etc as best you can.

This is not an easy or quick process. Hopefully more and more companies will follow Garritan's model and really put as much time into the programming (keyswitching, Maestro tools, use of mod wheel for expression, etc) and make the process easier for us.

Is answer question?

[janila]

VSL legato patches being an exception I always work in a fashion where I load all needed articulations to separate MIDI channels in the sampler, copy the original MIDI track to all necessary channels in the sequencer and then erase the extra notes from the tracks. After that I open all tracks used in one musical instrument (for example MIDI ch1 1st violin sustains, MIDI ch2 1st violin staccatos, MIDI ch3 1st violin marcatos etc.) in one Cubase SX piano roll editor. There one channel is shown in red and the others are shown grey. This way I can see them all at once but still know which track I'm editing. I don't like they key switching because usually there is a need to use several articulations simultaneously, for example when I want to get faster attacks to sustains by layering them with marcatos or staccatos.

There is no weird magic to do this for you, maybe one day there will be. ;)