TIP: Setting up GPO in Logic Pro7

[chriscaouette]

Hi gang.
I noticed that the tutorial for Logic on the Garritan site is incorrect. I will try to give a quick and better way of doing this.

1) Create a new layer in the Enviroment and lable it GPO

2) In that layer create a Multi Inst (labled GPO1 and uncheck the ICON box) and a Audio Object (uncheck the icon box here too).

3) Connect the Multi Inst to the Audio Object (selecting OK if prompted)

4) Activate the 1st eight channels of the MultiInst. You can also initialize the names as numbers to get rid of the GM labling.

5) Select the Audio Object. Change it to an Audio Instument (done on the left menu of the Enviroment). Next, change the MIDI channel to ALL.

6) Load up GPO and load your instruments.

7) Create a track and select one of the GPO channels (ch1 to start).

There is an alternate method to this which will also allow you to freeze the tracks. I can post that too if interested.

Chris

[Garritan]

Chris,

Thanks so much for posting this. This will be helpful for Logic users.

If anyone has screenshots they could add that would be appreciated.

Yes, the alternate method to freeze the tracks would be great. We are very interested.

Thanks for contributing to the GPO community.

Gary Garritan

[chriscaouette]

No problem Gary. Here is method two.

1) Create a new layer in the Enviroment and label it GPO

2) Create a Audio Object and set it to an audio instrument.

3) Make 7 more copies of this same audio object.

4) Change the channel of the 1st one to ch1, the next to ch2 etc.

5) Highlight all eight and on the left menu where is sais 'multiple selection' double click and rename it to GPO-A ch1. Doing do will change the other object labels to ch2, ch3, ch4, ch5, ch6, ch7, ch8.

6) Load up GPO

7) You can now creat tracks referencing the new GPO layer. This way you will have Freeze available.

I prefer this way even though it takes longer to make.

Chris

PS: I will add some screen shots tonight.

[Garritan]

Chris,

These tutorials will be very helpful to Logic Users. Thank you for the screenshots and I posted your tutorials on the GPO-Logic page - http://www.garritan.com/GPO-LogicPage.html

Here are the direct links to the tutorials:

http://www.garritan.com/tutorial/GPO_Logic7_tutorials.html
http://www.garritan.com/tutorial/GPO_Logic7_tutorial2.html

Thanks again Chris for contributing to the GPO community.

Gary Garritan

[Boehmrunner]

Chris,

Thanks for your description of how to make this work. i've come onto a BIG snag that I can't figure out. How do you do the following?:


Hi gang.
6) Load up GPO and load your instruments.

Chris

How do you "Load up GPO"? I can't seem to get to the graphic you have in the tutorial.

Jeff

[chriscaouette]

Chris,

Thanks for your description of how to make this work. i've come onto a BIG snag that I can't figure out. How do you do the following?:



How do you "Load up GPO"? I can't seem to get to the graphic you have in the tutorial.

Jeff

You load the GPO plugin the same way you would load any other AU or Logic virtual instrument. It will be in the AU list.
Chris

[Boehmrunner]

You load the GPO plugin the same way you would load any other AU or Logic virtual instrument. It will be in the AU list.
Chris

I SWEAR I tried this a million times and GPO never showed up in my list. It worked this time, though! :o

Thanks, Chris!

I have another question for you. (I'm obviously new to sequencers, though I've been using notation programs since about 1985 or so).

If I were to set up a full band or orchestra, I'm a bit confused about how to manage the whole thing. For instance, I've set up the eight audio instruments as you have described in your tutorial.

Now, do I fill those eight instruments up with one orchestral instrument (GPO-A ch1=Picc, GPO-A ch2=flt I, etc.)?

So then I would create more layers and fill them up until I've got my full band?

Thanks in advance!

Jeff

[SteveHanlon]

No problem Gary. Here is method two.

1) Create a new layer in the Enviroment and label it GPO

2) Create a Audio Object and set it to an audio instrument.

3) Make 7 more copies of this same audio object.




Does same audio object imply that we should make it the same Audio Instrument. So, Audio instr. 25. Copy 8 times. Change each copy to access Ch 1-8. But each copy is Audio Instr. 25 (just as an example)?

[chriscaouette]

Now, do I fill those eight instruments up with one orchestral instrument (GPO-A ch1=Picc, GPO-A ch2=flt I, etc.)?

So then I would create more layers and fill them up until I've got my full band?

Thanks in advance!

Jeff

You can set it up however you wish. Just remember for every eight channels (one instance) of GPO you need to make a new set of eight audio objects like the first only that they refer to a different audio instrument.
Chris

[chriscaouette]

Does same audio object imply that we should make it the same Audio Instrument. So, Audio instr. 25. Copy 8 times. Change each copy to access Ch 1-8. But each copy is Audio Instr. 25 (just as an example)?

You got it!
Chris

[SteveHanlon]

Thanks for sharing this. I also did this for my Stylus RMX. This freeze ability really saves me since I'm on a POwerbook.

[Boehmrunner]

You can set it up however you wish. Just remember for every eight channels (one instance) of GPO you need to make a new set of eight audio objects like the first only that they refer to a different audio instrument.
Chris

That answers my question. I was just wondering what's "normal" for the more traditional ensembles. Thanks, Chris!

Jeff

[christof69]

But when i try this, though you can freeze individual tracks, for each Audio Instrument (ie for each "set" of 8 tracks) you get one fader moving all 8 one pan moving all 8 one effect for all....

Seems to remove the point of doing it doesn't it, unless I'm doing something wrong.....

Cheers

christof

[Notone]

I am wondering if this tutorial can be translated to Logic Express as well.
There are no audio objects in Logic Express, is there a workaround to achieve the same?

[FLWrd]

I am wondering if this tutorial can be translated to Logic Express as well.
There are no audio objects in Logic Express, is there a workaround to achieve the same?
There are audio objects, but they are hidden nowadays. If you have Logic Express 8 or 9, choose "New" from the Track menu, and there you can choose multi-timbral or not. Then you use the normal way to set the plug-in. Also, if you have a non-multitimbral track, you can turn it into one and add multiple tracks for different MIDI channels.

[Notone]

Theo, I just got Logic Express 9 recently and didn't have much time yet to get to know it well. Have been mostly composing with Sibelius but wanna do more with live input composing as it is a much quicker process.
That with the multi timbral for the tracks works, simple and fast, thanks.

[niversen]

I am using Logic 9, and there are a couple of changes to Logic since then. While I can follow the instructions, I do not get tracks with a freeze function. I followed the second set of instructions: 1) create a audio instrument track, 2) clone it 16x, 3) set the MIDI channel, 4) rename. It appears correctly in the Track Assignment menu, but once added, there is no freeze available (yes I have visibility for freeze turned on in track options).

Other things I've tried include: Make a new multi-timbral software instrument track. Assign Aria to it, and set Aria up for 16 channels. Use the 'New with next MIDI channel" function to create the other channels. Name everything appropriately. This works fine, but "solo", mute, etc work across all 16 channels, not individual instruments.

What do I need to do to be able to solo, freeze, mute, etc tracks?

Thanks for any help,

Nathanael

[FLWrd]

What do I need to do to be able to solo, freeze, mute, etc tracks
First note: I don't use the first method for creating instruments. I either create tracks and instruments directly from the arrange window's track menu and then assign the plugin via the I/O section of the inspector.

About the first issue: in the arrange window, go to View, then Configure Track Header. There you can turn on the Freeze button's visibility. Click done. Click on the freeze button of a track, and hit play. Now the track will freeze. I don't know if this works properly when you've got multiple tracks assigned to the same plugin.

About the second issue: that's a preference setting. Go to Logic Express > Preferences > Audio > General. The first check box is called Track Mute/Solo. One of the setings mutes all multi-timbral instruments at once, the other one does it track by track.

I can recommend you to read the manual carefully. It's style is rather condensed, but most information is there. It can take some experimenting to understand it.

Good luck!

[niversen]

First note: I don't use the first method for creating instruments. I either create tracks and instruments directly from the arrange window's track menu and then assign the plugin via the I/O section of the inspector.

Yes, this seems easier to me too. I just set up a hot-key for Create track with next Midi Channel. Or are you suggesting that you just instantiate a new copy of the plugin for every instrument? I'm sure that would work, though I was under the impression that this would be wasteful of CPU resources vs. running a few multi-timbral instances.


About the first issue: in the arrange window, go to View, then Configure Track Header. There you can turn on the Freeze button's visibility. Click done. Click on the freeze button of a track, and hit play. Now the track will freeze. I don't know if this works properly when you've got multiple tracks assigned to the same plugin.

Yes, I had done this, but there is no freeze button. I am suspecting this is not available since the multiple tracks all go to the same fader in the environment. If there was a way to map all the Aria outputs to aux'es or something, perhaps that would restore the freeze. I tried creating 16 faders, each assigned to a separate MIDI channel, but that didn't work. I stuck a MIDI monitor in the signal flow and verified the correct channels were being sent, but the plugin was just playing all sixteen channels at once, without regard to the channel. I think this was because all the strips were outputting on the stereo outputs. I tried creating an aux fader, or a group fader, but the Aria plugin doesn't show those as output options in the dropdown.


About the second issue: that's a preference setting. Go to Logic Express > Preferences > Audio > General. The first check box is called Track Mute/Solo. One of the setings mutes all multi-timbral instruments at once, the other one does it track by track.

Perfect! Thank you. This makes it workable. I don't have to have freeze to work, since my computer is pretty beefy (2x Westmere Quad Cores + 16GB RAM), so I'll likely just get back to work.


Nathanael