Layla 3G and Gigastudio

[Doug Bircher]

Is anybody using the Layla 3G with Gigastudio? If so, how well does it work, and do the Layla GSIF2 drivers work properly?

Doug

[chambermusic]

I have the Layla G3 with GS3 and it seems to work fine. I am not an accomplished user of GS3 and am just getting started. But getting Layla G3 and Gigastduio to work together was not a problem.

I am not making demands on the system and so far am just using the Layla as a sound card and just one port so far. But no problems and the quality of the sound seems great to me.

David

[ErikGalindo]

Same here, no problem setting it up. It's temporarily not in use until I get a second computer up and running. I have GS3 ensemble rewired in ProTools, which isn't the best way to do it IMO.
But GS3 worked fine when I removed PT and installed the Layla3G. My computer is a bit out dated:

AMD Athlon XP 2100+
ASUS A7V333
512 MB ram
30 GB Maxtor 7,200 rpm system
60 GB Maxtor 7,200 rpm Gigs/Audio only

[Doug Bircher]

Thanks for the info. Do either of you have any opinion as to the clarity/cleaness of the sound from the 3G?

Doug

[ErikGalindo]

Sorry, I don't have much of an opinion. From what I remember, it is a decent box, but I have no reference to something like a RME, or other more expensive sound card.

[synthnut]

Doug,
I just went thru setting up a Gina 3G specifically for use with Giga3 .....I was a while setting it up ....I found that in my setup, the only way I could get Giga3 to work with it was to go into the Control panel, and there are settings that you can make for either WDM or Purewave ....Purewave was the only setting I could use to make Giga work with the Gina3G....I'm not sure if anyone else had the same issue, but I was going CRAZY for a couple of weeks trying to figure it out, and Andrew ( one of our forum members ) came up with the solution..It was the last thing I tried.....I called Echo to let them know of all the experimenting that I did, because they couldn't help me ....Please remember this if you get the card....It will save you a lot of time and aggrivation...It's a great sounding card !!.... Jim

[Doug Bircher]

Thanks Synthnut. I'll print this out so I don't forget in case I get the Layla. Do you know if choosing Purewave only affects the drivers for Gigastudio? I would be running Gigastudio and Sonar simultaneously, so I wouldn't want to do anything that would mess up the drivers for Sonar.

Doug

[synthnut]

I should be getting Sonar in the next couple of weeks or so ....I will let you know then .....I use Purewave with Tracktion which came for free with Gina3G and it works fine....Tracktion is also going to have an update to version 2 which add's more support....It's a very easy program to get around on...Sort of basic, but with some things you wouldn't expect for a very inexpensive program ....It's way better than Garageband or similar....The upgrade is $200 but less for those who already have the version 1.61...Just a thought...I'll let you know what happens with Sonar when I get it ..The spirit is willing , but the wallet is weak !!.....Sincerely, Jim

[kitekrazy]

Doug,
I just went thru setting up a Gina 3G specifically for use with Giga3 .....I was a while setting it up ....I found that in my setup, the only way I could get Giga3 to work with it was to go into the Control panel, and there are settings that you can make for either WDM or Purewave ....Purewave was the only setting I could use to make Giga work with the Gina3G....I'm not sure if anyone else had the same issue, but I was going CRAZY for a couple of weeks trying to figure it out, and Andrew ( one of our forum members ) came up with the solution..It was the last thing I tried.....I called Echo to let them know of all the experimenting that I did, because they couldn't help me ....Please remember this if you get the card....It will save you a lot of time and aggrivation...It's a great sounding card !!.... Jim

I've ;earned not to read Echo's recommendations for setup. I followed the manual to set up WDM in Sonar and the card would get dropouts ad 40ms of latency.

[synthnut]

Let me start by retracting my statement about Tracktion, and by asking a question...I am just getting started with PC for please bear with me....

I was fooling around with Tracktion , thinking that it was the Purewave change that made things work with the Gina card....I thought that it was the WDM driver that was giving me the problem ...What turns out ( I think ) is that Tracktion loads the WDM driver to work , and the Gina card needs to be set to Purewave for Giga to work ... So I still have to do more tests to see if Tracktion and Giga can run on the same computer....The way it looks now, they need different drivers to run, and I'm not sure if Window's allow's this or not on the same drive... I DO know that after installing Tracktion again, and fooling around with it ( with Giga3 already installed ) that Tracktion was working fine, but when I closed out of Tracktion, and went back to Giga3 I lost my midi, and my audio for Giga... Tracktion took over everything.....I had to go to my Gina 3G Window's driver files again on my disk that came with Gina, and RE LOAD the drivers in order for Giga3 to run again ...
I need to know how to run BOTH drivers in this machine ( if possible ) so that Tracktion and Giga3 can run together ... I still have a lot of experimenting to do ....I wish I knew more about how Window's operates, and I'm learning by trial and error....For now I eliminated Tracktion....I took it completely off my computer to be able to run Giga3...The next thing I have to do is to install the drivers one more time, but I first have to take the Gina3G card OUT OF THE COMPUTER, and THEN install the drivers....I have found that if I don't take the card out to install the drivers, that everytime I shut down , and restart, the drivers do NOT LOAD to run Giga3 again ....This is really wearing me out .... I've never had to deal with so many driver issues as I have since I went to a PC for Giga...My Mac is just so much more user friendly... Like I said....I'm still learning PC ....I'll get it .....Sincerely, Jim

[synthnut]

Ater working very hard to get things working properly with Giga3, and the Gina3G card, I can honestly say that I would NOT reccomend this card to anyone wanting trouble free installation and running of Giga3, and I'm not even talking with a sequencer program, I'm talking just Giga3 by itself....Go to another card....It's just not worth the hassle.... :mad:

[JonFairhurst]

What motherboard are you running? I forgot.

Remember that all PCs are not alike. The Gina doesn't like your PC, but that doesn't mean that the Gina is bad for all PCs.

I used an Echo MIA for a couple of years and loved it. Then I upgraded to an Athlon 64 on an Asus A8V-Deluxe. It would blue screen as soon as the drivers loaded. I put it back in the old machine, and now my kids have it.

I now have a M-Audio Audiophile 192. Should be fine, right? Well, it doesn't like my board much either. I can run GSIF and ASIO drivers on it okay, but not the 16-bit legacy drivers. That means that Giga, Vegas and Sonar are fine, but Acid 3 and Sonic Foundry 5 are dead.

The audio cards may look like the culprits, but my guess is that the problem is the VIA chipset. Good old VIA.

Hopefully you can sell the Gina on ebay and get something that your system can be friends with.

-JF

[synthnut]

Jon,
I'm running the highly reccomended ASUS P4C800-E motherboard....I read this forum over and over, and this was hands down one of the most highly reguarded, and used motherboard with all the forum's ...I'm constantly reading the forum, and picked up some books on Window's, and I'm at a loss here...I can't believe all the variety's of conflicts that I've been having ...To have to continually load drivers every time I want to use Giga3 is a sin....It's so stupid that I have to find out who has an EXACT system , and to have to mimic it in order for things to work right ?.... There should be some kind of normalcy amoungst drivers that work with many different sound cards, and that also work with Giga3 and a PC ....Now I would like to bring a sequencer program into play, and I have to consider that THOSE drivers won't work, even if I have a Giga3 system working !!.....This is CRAP !!...and I'm hearing that things are so much better now that Window's XP is here, and that it was much worse a couple of years ago ?..... I really have to hand it to you guy's who have been using PC's through the years.....You sure have a lot of patience !
I can see now why my fiance came into my studio CRYING for me to figure out why her desktop was not working .... Now I have one, and I'm the one crying the blues .. :( .....Sincerely, Jim

[JonFairhurst]

When they work, they're great. When they don't...

What RAM do you have? It's possible that you have some marginal setting that is eating your drivers for lunch. Your setup is straightforward enough that you *shouldn't* be having these problems.

I'm convinced that some systems are haunted. Do you know a good priest? :eek:

-JF

[synthnut]

Jon,
Right now I am running 1 gig of Kingston ram, and was soon going to upgrade to 2 gig's, but I don't want to dump good money into bad.... The one and only time I had the system running, and had Giga3 ONLY installed in it, ( other than Acrobat and minimul programs that I needed just barely to exist on a computer ) it ran fine...There has to be some kind of sequence that I did when loading up the computer with the drivers from Echo, and the Giga program ... Also, I have realized that Giga3 WILL work with the WDM drivers, because when I pull the card and load the drivers, the default is WDM drivers, and the system will work UNTIL I shut it down to work on the computer later, so my earlier assumtion that Purewave got it to work was not correct ..... I don't want to be forced to have to keep my computer running .....There is clearly a problem, and it's driving me NUT'S !!

Please post some reccomended settings....Thanks, Jim

I did call a few Preist's, and they said they would come over, and would perform an Exorcism, but when I mentioned "Window's XP" they all turned me away....
They said that I didn't have a prayer !!..... :eek:

[panzerD]

Using a combination of Layla3G with P4C800E motherboard, under Win XP service pack 1. No problems with cubase sx and gs3.

[synthnut]

panzerD,
Thanks for the reply.....I sent you a PM ....Jim

[Alewis]

Hi Jim,

Can't you just go back into the Gina settings, where you set it to work in PureWave mode, and then set all the outputs back to WDM, reboot, and then fire up Tracktion -- seeing it doesn't seem to work in PureWave mode?

Sonar works just fine in PureWave mode, so once that arrives I think your issue will be resolved.

[kitekrazy]

What motherboard are you running? I forgot.

Remember that all PCs are not alike. The Gina doesn't like your PC, but that doesn't mean that the Gina is bad for all PCs.

I used an Echo MIA for a couple of years and loved it. Then I upgraded to an Athlon 64 on an Asus A8V-Deluxe. It would blue screen as soon as the drivers loaded. I put it back in the old machine, and now my kids have it.

I now have a M-Audio Audiophile 192. Should be fine, right? Well, it doesn't like my board much either. I can run GSIF and ASIO drivers on it okay, but not the 16-bit legacy drivers. That means that Giga, Vegas and Sonar are fine, but Acid 3 and Sonic Foundry 5 are dead.

The audio cards may look like the culprits, but my guess is that the problem is the VIA chipset. Good old VIA.

Hopefully you can sell the Gina on ebay and get something that your system can be friends with.

-JF


I have an Echo Mia and an AP2496 on the same system running a VIA chipset. No problems. But any board I replace most likely I'd go with nForce. For Pentiums, Intel chipsets seem to be the most friendly.

[synthnut]

Andrew,
I am running Giga now but I have to reboot the Gina drivers every time I want to run it ...It will work, but as soon as I shut the computer down and come back later to work , and fire up the computer, I can no longer just click on GigaStudio and start working ....I will have to reinstall the drivers from my Gina disk again ....My thought's now are that I have to RE install Giga again, and then RE install the Gina after first wiping everything off the H.D. ...I guess what I am trying to say is that I have to start over again, to find the sequence....It's either
1) load Giga3 first and then load Gina3G .....OR
2) load Gina3G first , and then load Giga3 .....

If my failing memory serves me well, one of these scenario's will work ..I THINK this is what I did the ONLY time I had Giga working and could turn my computer on and off without losing my drivers....Tracktion just thru another wrench in the wheel ....When I finally had Giga working well with Gina, I thought that I had everything worked out well enough that I could introduce Tracktion again.....When I did, all hell broke loose again ....I have no idea why, it just did ....I'll try it all tomorrow..... :confused: ...Jim

[Funster21]

Synthnut,

You probably already tried this, but try your Lalya 3G card in another PCI slot. In fact you might need to try it in several other slots. Also if your motherboard has built in audio maybe try disabling that soundcard. I don't think my configuration is anything special, but 3G has worked well with all versions of GS3. Here's what has worked for me: in Layla Console3: Driver - select "The sample rate is unlocked." Select "Synchronize wave devics." Under advanced I am using WDM mode. Under my GSIF tab my buffer size is 128. I apologize if this info is redundant, but hopefully it might help.

Larry

[synthnut]

Larry,
Thanks for the info...I have the same settings, and also changed them to no avail ...My thoughts now are the sequence of what program is actually installed on the computer first....I'm starting from scratch, and installing Giga first, and then loading the Gina3G last .....I will then see if this works....One thing I thought earlier ( because it worked for me ) was th fact that when I finally switched my advanced switch and switched everything to "Purewave" everything started to work fine ....It worked fine for a few days, so I thought it was safe to introduce Tracktion into the fold ....No so !!....That's where I am today ...I'm dealing with the same headaches I had before, so I'm gonna try to start from the beginning and document every move I make in case some luck will come my way and my system will be solid again ...I know I can get it if I just don't give up ... The star's will line up sooner or later....Thanks for your help...It's appreciated ... It may be redundant, but hey, you never know what little item I could have overlooked !!...Thanks again, Jim

kiteK,
The chipset in my Pentium are Intel

[kitekrazy]

I don't mess with the Pure Wave settings in Echo Cards. I know in the MIA they introduced this is drivers 6.05. I think the function just adds more confusion.

[Bogdan]

You may read my post on comparing Layla and MOTU 828mkII

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28727

Regards,
Bogdan

[synthnut]

After loading and unloading and changing things around back and forth, and doing a lot of messing with this computer, the only way I can get Giga to work with the Gina3G card is to

1) Turn on my midi keyboard

2) start my computer

3) load the Windows drivers from the Gina3G CD

4) start giga3 AFTER the drivers are loaded from the Echo CD....

THEN and only THEN will giga work .....When I am done working , I will close Giga, and shut my computer down ...

If I go to start my computer at a later time, and I don't follow the above steps, and I just open Giga WITHOUT loading the Echo drivers first , Giga will not respond .....I will THEN have to reload the drivers to get Giga to work ...
Somehow these drivers are not loading properly, and I don't know how to change things to make them load properly ..... :confused: ......Jim

BTW....I've been working on this thing for weeks to no avail .....

[synthnut]

UPDATE:

I turned on my keyboard, started my computer, and immediatly loaded the drievers from my Gina3G disc and was playing along, and decided to go into the Cosole of the Gina card, and change my drivers over to Purewave from WDM ....Purewave bypasses the WDM driver ...It states in the manual that Purewave does not have an effect on applications like Giga because Giga already streams to disc so Purewave has no effect on it ....Well I'll tell you this, when I changed my drivers to Purewave, and restarted my computer, WITHOUT loading any drivers manually , I went right to my Giga program , and everything loaded FINE !!...EVEN THE DRIVERS !!.....I played for a while , shut my computer down, and restarted it 10 minutes later, and WALLA !!...MY drivers loaded , and I was AGAIN playing away ... I'm writing this because some guy's who are running these drivers are able to use WDM drivers...In my case , GIGA will NOT run at all as the drivers will NOT load, unless I have Purewave drivers running for GIGA ....What a nightmare on Giga St. ....
Thanks again to all for your help in this matter.....Sincerely, Jim