Eric of Synful silience

[blue]

Eric of Synful, has been very quiet post NAMM. No (post NAMM) updates to the news section of his site, no additions to the user demos of his site (even though new good demos keep showing up on the forums), no posts on forums (he was a bit of a regular).

Poll: Is he:


A) Negotiating with some large company to get bought out or merged into?
. a. Which company?
B) Based on initial community comments improving his v1 software.
. a. Code changes?
. b. Adding better additive sample material?
C) Based on initial community comments about price, splitting up the instruments into cheaper priced sets?
. a. Which set would you buy?
. b. What price point would guarantee him huge sales?
D) Forming a new company with Ray Kurwiel where they will sell a screen saver softsynth that can emulate the natural singing voice of the most famous Opera Tenors using a computer mouse with scroll wheel as a controller.
And the correct answer is:
I do not know, just being silly about his silence, but on the speculative side he is a coder and did comment on this forum about possibly doing B and C to some extent and of course given the amazing nature of the product and it’s groundbreaking potential, A is a strong possibility given that NAMM is where “meetings” happen and it was the last time we heard from him. I hope he stays away from D, although I can often forgive Ray’s forays into wackiness (ie Ramona his alternative female VR alterego) because my first real keyboard (not counting my Casio CZ) was a K1000, I rather have Eric coding synful than writing books about how we will all be robots one day (probably musical ones).

Anyway, anyone else want to pontificate on what Mr. Lindemann might be up to?

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[Lux]

:D :D

[Bill]

Maybe he's given up Synning for Lent.

[Frederick]

I found lint in my belly button once :D

Actually Eric is working on shoring up the library with some new surprises and additions. Since he is also overseeing R&D it might explain the silence here.

[steveb]

I was pretty disappointed to hear back from him the other day that the Synful Orchestra demo doesn't work with Logic for PC, and since Logic support is discontinued on PC there are no plans to remedy this. I'm not sure if this is an Emagic related thing or not, but I'm sure there are still lots of us PC Logic folks out here who are interested. Oh well. I guess I save a few hundred there to spend on Symphonic Choirs instead.

[dougrogers]

Eric was one of those NAMM surprises that turn up every few years. He only managed to get a small booth at the bottom of the world (Hall E) but had a stream of notable visitors not only marvelling at his technology but his performance skills also. He's a true genius and you can expect big things from this technology in the future.

- Doug

[Hardy Heern]

Eric was one of those NAMM surprises that turn up every few years. He only managed to get a small booth at the bottom of the world (Hall E) but had a stream of notable visitors not only marvelling at his technology but his performance skills also. He's a true genius and you can expect big things from this technology in the future.

- Doug

Agreed, he's right up there with Moog IMHO. I know for a fact that he has been seen with Gary Garritan (well there's a picture of them together on the Garritan forum!). When I first heard his violin I, and others, said that an experienced businessman should get together with him for their mutual benefit.

What he has done is totally innovative and has no competition as far as I can hear. All the more impressive because this is the initial release all developed and funded by one man....Eric Lindeman.....Admirable stuff indeed!

A hard working innovator like Eric deserves the support of an equally talented businessman, if there's any justice in this world.......Who's it to be???

Frank

[FredProgGH]

So, it's the Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates of the sampling world, eh? :D :D

I can't wait to see how Synful develops. Eric really has the basis of something astounding. It just needs a few tweaks.

[JonFairhurst]

Maybe Eric is sleeping 20 hours a day, recovering from NAMM and all of the work he did to get there!

-JF

[Hardy Heern]

So, it's the Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates of the sampling world, eh? :D :D

I can't wait to see how Synful develops. Eric really has the basis of something astounding. It just needs a few tweaks.

Yes he is and I don't think it's nice to take the piss!!

Frank

[blue]

So any thoughts on packages and prices that you think would make the man rich overnight.

I think a solo strings package for $200 would mean he would sell one to everyone who had a orchestra library.
$200 x "all_orch_sampler_owners" = $????

Another approach is sell "the engine" with violin included for $150 and then individual instrument add-ons for $49.99 each (once you owned the engine). Known as the drug dealer model in sales - give them a taste and keep them coming back for more - this model works well for products that you get "addicted to". It would also push innovation and community around each instrument. Also allowing Eric to roll out improved instruments one at a time rather than doing all the dev around the full package (which would take longer). Obviously with this model you might discount for 5 instrument purchases.

Or he give everything away and open-source the code, becomes famous and runs for president. A musician / programmer for pres - there is a thought for how to fix the world.

Your thoughts?

(Disclaimer - What Eric, or Gary for that matter, really do is up to them and what they need to do to stay in business, innovate, hire great people and get great product out to us, in a small market - so while it is easy to preach about price -that's all this is, a way for the community to give feedback.)

-blue
www.dipaola.org

[midphase]

Actually....what is really the marketable product here is the actual development application. Give me the tools and let me create my own samples using this new technology. Kinda like the whole Kompakt and Kontakt thing....not only are the libraries useful, but the development tools are just as interesting (at least for some of us).

[James W.G. Smith]

Actually....what is really the marketable product here is the actual development application. Give me the tools and let me create my own samples using this new technology. Kinda like the whole Kompakt and Kontakt thing....not only are the libraries useful, but the development tools are just as interesting (at least for some of us).

I totally agree, except for the fact that Synful doesn't use Samples, and it wouldn't work with samples, which is kinda depressing. Now if someone did come out with something like this that used samples and that was customizable with any sample lib (are you reading this Gary?) then they would get my $$$ in a second!

:D

James W.G. Smith

[sbkp]

I totally agree, except for the fact that Synful doesn't use Samples, and it wouldn't work with samples, which is kinda depressing. Now if someone did come out with something like this that used samples and that was customizable with any sample lib (are you reading this Gary?) then they would get my $$$ in a second!

:D

James W.G. Smith

It does use samples as partials. Just not in the direct way that a sample library does. If he could somehow have it use another set of samples, then a whole bunch of EWQLSO, VSL, etc owners would buy it in a heart beat, I imagine. Whether or not that's practical, feasible, or otherwise, I have no idea. Actually, I don't even know that much!

- Stefan

[Jimi]

I agree Frank, it's impressive stuff and deserves to make bigger waves.


Agreed, he's right up there with Moog IMHO. I know for a fact that he has been seen with Gary Garritan (well there's a picture of them together on the Garritan forum!). When I first heard his violin I, and others, said that an experienced businessman should get together with him for their mutual benefit.

What he has done is totally innovative and has no competition as far as I can hear. All the more impressive because this is the initial release all developed and funded by one man....Eric Lindeman.....Admirable stuff indeed!

A hard working innovator like Eric deserves the support of an equally talented businessman, if there's any justice in this world.......Who's it to be???

Frank

[RickD]

Actually....what is really the marketable product here is the actual development application. Give me the tools and let me create my own samples using this new technology. Kinda like the whole Kompakt and Kontakt thing....not only are the libraries useful, but the development tools are just as interesting (at least for some of us).

I submitted a similar idea a while ago..., I think. Why couldn't Eric make this program like altiverb in the convoluted sense(pardon the pun) that synful would be an engine that harbors performance algorithyms for various instruments, and the USER simply records an "impulse/recording et al" of the instruments velocity layers for those instruments he wishes to emulate? I would love to turn the EWQLSO - Gold Solo violin, Dan Dean solo violin, and eventually all the instruments into virtuoso performers!

If this is possible, I'd work on releasing a "violin performance module" first, and release one module at a time until such time as all instruments were adequately developed.

Just dreaming here.................

Rick

[dcoscina]

I used the Synful demo over Christmas vacation. Highly addictive. And it's so nice to play everything in at once and turn on the "performance tool" thingy that sorts out the articulations and techniques. Let's you compose music rather than fuss with 5 billion separate patches.

On the other hand, for the price they are asking, I will have to remain on the sidelines until the program is streamlined a little more.

[Lux]

Eric was one of those NAMM surprises that turn up every few years. He only managed to get a small booth at the bottom of the world (Hall E) but had a stream of notable visitors not only marvelling at his technology but his performance skills also. He's a true genius and you can expect big things from this technology in the future.

- Doug

really appreciable.

Luca