One or two machines to get professional?

[Edmundo Cassis]

This is for Papa Chalk.
I got your configuration!
Maxtor 8.4 Udma, 128mb ram, Asus p 2b, but Celeron 300a? and overclocked? You don\'t be afraid to burn your processor? I think it isn\'t recomended. Why dont use a pentium 2 400? And for the last: can i get the same with Aark 20/20 and/or Sound Blaster AWE 64 Gold?

[mitchb2]

Many MANY people are using overclocked Celeron 300a\'s (and now Celeron 366\'s overclocked to 550 MHZ!!!) with no problems.

You can even buy the Celerons overclocked and pretested.

I lacked courage and bought a P2 400...I could have saved alot going with a Celeron.
If I build a dedicated Giga machine, I won\'t hesitate to overclock.

[Edmundo Cassis]

I think capital letters isn\'t nice, ok?
But if you like,you was very VERY fast to answer a piece of my question.But not at all. I asked about to get the same with Aark 20/20 and Sound Blaster AWE 64 Gold.

[Edmundo Cassis]

And for remembering, the way Papa Chalk and many others are using Giga and Audio in the same machine:posted07-15-1999 12:16 AM \"I find GigaSampler to be the easiest sampler I\'ve ever worked with. As far as needing a second PC to work gigasampler with
I personally don\'t think its needed. I and many other of my associates do not have any problems using gigasampler in the same pc as
my sequencer (cubase vst3.7) in fact I will be upping a demo soon showing the power
of GigaSampler with cubase vst. We\'ve have been able to have 32 tracks of vocals 16
channels of gigasampler running at the same time while recording. What sound card(s)
are we using? Gina and a SB live.\"

So, about this: Gina isn\'t multiclient card.
Not only Gina, but, Darla, and Layla isn\'t too.
Or, if you are working in a sequencer with midi, you can\'t use the audio outs in other application. Aark can do this. I\'m not a sender. I\'m only i luck musician because i bought Aark when this card was the first audio card to work with giga in multiple audio\'s outputs. And now i know; flexibility, your name is Aark. You can work in sequencer,you can adress others outputs to work with audio, and edit audio in SoundForge(for an example), with others Aark outputs.
Ok, you will ask me: \"If you know all of this, why you send a question about the way to use audio and midi in the same machine?\"
Because, it\'s impossible to do this without clicks and pops. After one minute, the pops begins.
And you MR. Papa Chalk and Others are doing this with a non multiclient card! How can you do this? Really! Or i\'ll need to by a second PC.

[holger]

edmundo, you are right. When you want to use GS in a professional way, the presently only solution is to give GS it´s own PC and a AARK. All other things are hype or future. Nevertheless, If I only do a few audio tracks and/or GS voices it may work togheter with VST on a single machine. If you really like to work with VST...

[PaPa Chalk]

It\'s not impossible with our setup Edmundo. If you notice in my setup I use the Sound blaster live not the awe64 gold and we also have a Gina installed if you have heard the demo songs I upload there was no pops or clicks. the SoundBlaster live is a multiclient Sound card it works seamless with Gigasampler and Cubase Vst together. The Gina is assigned to Vst and the live to Gigasampler the Sb live can work alone with Giga Sampler and Cubase Vst with no pops. We\'ve tested it on many different systems and get the same results. I have an asus p2b 128mb ram a celeron 300a overclocked to 450mhz a regular PII 400 gives the same results. In previous experience any pops and clicks I had before were hard drive related. The drive was not fast enough dma was not check marked or drivers for the sound device was loaded incorrectly.

As far as I can say the setup up we use on one computer at our studio now works seamless for months now. Our PEAVEY 36 TRACK 16X16 BOARD and hardware samplers are collecting dust.
http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
PaPa Chalk


[This message has been edited by PaPa Chalk (edited 07-20-1999).]

[Edmundo Cassis]

Thank you Holger and Papa Chalk. I\'m trying to get the same with Sound Blaster AWE 64 Gold and Aark. I really don\'t know if this is possible. I have one more question about the Papa Chalk config. iS about HD you are using.
I\'m looking for and i got this kind:
Hard Disk Maxtor, 8.4 UDMA HD 3.5LP 9MS 5400RPM about U$195,00 here in Brasil.
That\'s the same you have? I think 5400 RPM isn\'t fast enough but, you probably much more than i. If you can help me, i really want to fix definetely this question. Or, by another machine. But first i need to try! Thanks a lot once more,
Edmundo, São Paulo, SP, Brasil.

[holger]

maxtor diamond 17 Gb 5400 rpm working very good on my system.

[mitchb2]

That\'s the same drive I use, and it\'s great for Giga and for digital audio in general.

I have 2 of them.

[Wolfgang Eichholz]

After reading this thread, I want to make a statement:
If you put VW tires on a Ferrari, you won\'t get lucky.

Same with GS: It\'s a highend product and needs highend hardware to run perfect.
My expierence with GS is: Only the best is good enough. Without that, you always have to compromise.
Keep that in mind, then it\'s not neccessary to set up GS on a dedicated machine.

Wolfgang
www.mp3.com/wolly (\"http://www.mp3.com/wolly\")

P.S.: I have paid ca. US$ 8.000.-- only for my hardware setup.

[PaPa Chalk]

Yes Giga Sampler is only good as your output
but if your output is digital. What you hear is what you get.
It all Depends on what you want to do. If you want/need to spend $8000 u.s on hardware that’s great more power etc... but it is possible to get results with less when you consider that you can keep everything in the digital domain on a multiclient card.
digital is digital, digital to analog may have differences in the converters. But once you are using AES/EBU or spdif and then burning to Cd what you hear is what you get.
Many people like or have applications in which they need multiple outs. I like keeping everything in the digital domain then burning direct to cd what I hear eq, mix, master digital in two stereo tracks is what I get on my cd which has only two stereo tracks. Why do I say this.. we used spdif out on a Gina put through a 24bit 96khz digital to anolog converter did the same with the multiclient sound blaster live using st digital bracket three.
Awe64 gold and many high end cards cannot run two or more programs at once (not multiclient). Which results in The need for some people to buy separate systems. We have a Gina which is not multiclient right now, when it is I\'ll have no need for the Sb live. My results with the Gina spdif/ Sb live spdif... Cds play at 44.1khz 16 bit.
The reference monitoring on both were great but I still had to mix eq etc. Then bring to 44.1khz 16 bit in the digital domain.
Having two systems is great to run Giga if you find it necessary. You will get great results. As more high end output cards become multiclient you will be able to get professional results on anolog outs on one system.
My take on this is having a Ferrari is great but if your on a Los Angeles freeway at rush hour your not going any faster with or without vw tires it may look very strange though.

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PaPa Chalk


[This message has been edited by PaPa Chalk (edited 07-22-1999).]

[Wolfgang Eichholz]

PaPa,
the pops and click are the endless theme since the release of GS.
And every expert tells another story about the reasons of it.
Again: Low investment leads to compromises.

Wolfgang

P.S.: Sorry for the Ferrari, but sometimes I can\'t stand it.

[PaPa Chalk]

I agree with getting a high end card. It will give you better quality on output. My point is depending on what you want to do it is possible to get results from a multiclient card like the Sb live value with digital bracket III a card that I and many others have gotten results with time an time again.
Listen to this small demo by Lac lc Shira done with an Sb live and Gina
on one computer with Vst. Remember I said everything was done on one computer. The composer got results for what he wanted to do he\'s more than happy.
http://www.northernsounds.com/demos/dance/lac/itsup.mp3 (\"http://www.northernsounds.com/demos/dance/lac/itsup.mp3\")

Any one into R&B can really appreciate what has been done with this song. I couldn\'t believe it. I was floored when I saw it being done right in front my eyes. 32 track of vocals/16 GigaSampler instruments. The Producer has worked in the professional R&B music environment for many years.
His point to me.\"It\'s not about what you got it\'s how you use it.\"
If you can afford $8000 U.S in hardware go for it. But if you are getting the same or
-.001 db difference in results with something for less.... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
As far as pops and clicks are concerned. Pop and Clicks are due to configuration even high end cards will give Pops and Click if not configured right the more cards you add
the potential for conflicts arise hence the need for configuration. That’s why we created this site. Most questions naturally are question on help on how to get things working. There is not one output card I can think of where someone hasn\'t had a problem
with, high end our low, in any program. Depending on what it is you want to do, will dictate how you setup or configure your system and hardware. I find that in most cases output cards with GigaSampler work or you get no sound at all. If you get sound but there\'s pops or clicks it\'s most likely due to configuration.

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PaPa Chalk

[Edmundo Cassis]

I was out but today (saturday here in Brasil)
i read the replies.
It\'s amazing the high level are in all replies. This forum it\'s fantastic. Congratulations for all are involved.
First, i\'m surprising to know Gold aren\'t multiclient and Live is. Ok. Thank\'s to know.
Second, who knows this new hd ide Expert 9.1gb Udma Ata/66 7200 rpm Hd 3.5in 8.5ms?
7200 rmp in a ide hd seems great. But 8.5ms?
Can Giga work fine with 8.5ms?
Edmundo Cassis, 24 de julho de 1999.

[John Pin]

Hello all,

interesting thread. After much deliberation and carefull reading..mostly on this site..i
today ordered the Maxtor DiamondMax 10.0GB Ultra DMA 9.0 ms, 7200 RPM, 512 KB Cache for the new GS pc.

I was reluctant at first with Maxtor as most locals here hadn\'t had much experience with it. After reading this board..its seem Maxtor is the go.

Thanks JP