Logic 7.1 Update on Apple Store !!

[SWL]

Upgrade your Logic Pro 7.0 to version 7.1 and take advantage of full native plug-in delay compensation, expanded Apple Loops integration, new Bass Amp and hybrid synthesizer plug-ins, easy re-ordering of plug-ins, and more. Note: Logic Pro 7.1 is available to all Logic Pro users possessing an XSkey authorized for Logic Pro 7.0.

Price
$19.95
Ships:
2-3 weeks

The Logic Pro 7.1 update adds a generous collection of new features and sought after enhancements such as full native plug-in delay compensation and over 70 new key commands. It provides greater facility for creating and managing Apple Loops and a convenient new method for re-ordering Channel Strip plug-in configurations. Logic Pro 7.1 further extends the creative options with 5 new plug-ins including a Bass Amp and two hybrid synthesizers. The update is rounded out by a host of optimizations and refinements that significantly improve the performance and stability of both Logic Pro and the included, updated version of Waveburner.


TOP TEN REASONS TO UPGRADE


1. Expanded Apple Loops Integration
Produce your own software instrument Apple Loops using any Logic Pro or Audio Unit plug-in. Place the software instrument Apple Loops onto an Audio Instrument track and the original MIDI performance and Channel Strip configuration is completely restored. Convert your ReCycle (REX) files into Apple Loops by simply dragging them into the Arrange window. Find your Apple Loops more easily by limiting which Jam Packs or other loop collections you wish to browse.


2. Full Native Plug-In Delay Compensation
Take advantage of full plug-in delay compensation which now corrects for latency produced on bus, auxiliary, and output channels in addition to every other path in the native audio mixer. You'll especially appreciate this enhancement if you own third party DSP cards like those developed by Universal Audio and TC Electronics.


3. New Instrument and Effect Plug-Ins
Add beef and character to your bass or other instruments with a new Bass Amp plug-in which replicates the sound of the industry's sweetest bass amplifiers and direct boxes. Tighten up any performance using the Enhanced Timing plug-in or be inspired by the massive atmospheric synth textures produced by two new Hybrid Synth instruments.


4. Hand Tool in Track Mixer
Freely move, copy and swap plug-ins between Channel Strip Inserts using the new Hand Tool in either the Arrange window or Track Mixer.


5. Over 70 New Key Commands
Speed up your workflow by assigning up to 70 new key commands to your favorite functions, including many of those introduced in 7.0 such as Open Loop Browser, Next/Previous Channel Strip, Create Multiple Tracks, Import Audio Files, and Bounce.


6. Numerous Plug-In Improvements
Swap, copy, and import Ultrabeat voices and sequences using a simple drag and drop operation. Export Ultrabeat patterns directly to the Arrange window also using drag and drop. Create or edit EXS24 instruments more easily using rubber-band selection of Zones and the ability to define Start Note and Width settings when importing multiple samples. Exploit new options for the Rotor effect in the EVB3, which also now has improved integration with the Hammond Suzuki XB-1, XK-2, and XK-3 hardware Drawbar controllers. Enjoy many other useful refinements made to Sculpture, Vocal Transformer, Pitch Correction and other plug-ins.


7. Support for 9 additional Control Surfaces
Increase your choices for compatible hardware control surfaces thanks to dedicated support for these 9 popular controller devices: Korg KONTROL49 and MicroKONTROL, Frontier Design Groups Tranzport, Tascam US-2400 and FW-1082, JL Cooper CS-32 and FaderMaster 4/100.


8. Follow Tempo Option for Recorded Audio
Enable the new "Follow Tempo" Region parameter for any audio recorded into your song, and Logic will time and pitch shift the file when you change the song's tempo or key.


9. Insert Chords from Chord Track
Simplify the process for placing chords in lead sheets using a new option which imports the chords from the Global Chord Track.


10. Multiple Performance Enhancements
Streamline your entire workflow as a result of numerous general optimizations and performance enhancements found in Logic Pro 7.1. Highlights include accelerated waveform overview creation, speedier initialization of Audio Units plug-ins during startup, the option to add files to the Audio Window after many audio file functions, improved handling of XML, AAF, and OMF file transfers, and more.


Note: Logic Pro 7.1 is available to all Logic Pro users possessing an XSkey authorized for Logic Pro 7.0.


http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71608/wo/rP2ZsHsCrhoa2kK4gA1tLtIarkb/1.0.11.1.0.6.12.1.27.1.17.0

[Maraxalamanta]

TOP TEN REASONS TO UPGRADE


1. Expanded Apple Loops Integration
Produce your own software instrument Apple Loops using any Logic Pro or Audio Unit plug-in. Place the software instrument Apple Loops onto an Audio Instrument track and the original MIDI performance and Channel Strip configuration is completely restored. Convert your ReCycle (REX) files into Apple Loops by simply dragging them into the Arrange window. Find your Apple Loops more easily by limiting which Jam Packs or other loop collections you wish to browse.


Poor corporate whores. "Apple Loops"' has 15 year old pimple popper written all over it. Oh yeah, definitely a highlight in a $800 piece of software upgrade. Thanks for the heads up, SWL.

[Rich Pell]

They charge yu for an update ????!!! Pigs..

[Frederick]

Thanks SWL - the delay compensation is worth the price of admission to me (I have TC Powercore and have been waiting for this for a long time.) Which makes those premium TC plugs like Sony Oxford and the TC 6000 emulations even more appealing.

So is it correct to assume that the stability of working with multiple third party plugs has improved as well (like NI Kompakt, Audio Ease and Spectrasonics) without crash probs? :)

[Nick Batzdorf]

Marax, that's their format for using loops inside Logic now. I'm not a huge user or fan of loops in general, but they're a part of music today; you really have to look past the "painting by the numbers" aspect of it all.

The same applies to GarageBand, by the way. That "Be a Professional Musician!" ad is stinky cheese, but beyond that it has some serious capabilities.

[Herman Witkam]

Upgrade your Logic Pro 7.0 to version 7.1 and take advantage of full native plug-in delay compensation,
Well, that's taken them a long time. They shouldn't charge for an update though...

[SWL]

No problem!

Although, Apple loops are very powerful .... they contain tons of metadata and work similar to REX files (they can double as MIDI files also). In the hair splitting advertisment world - using a few loops is common sense !! My days of programming full drum tracks is OVER!!! :-)

Exactly Frederick!! The delay compenation will certainly make me love my Powercore more !!!!

As for the $19 ... come on!!! it is simply to cover pressing and shipping. This update is simply to large to download!! Contains alot of sample data!

No one else loves the drag n' drop plugins ???!!! I think its genius!! What other programs currently offer this? Surely, ProTools? I know Steinberg does not..

[Maraxalamanta]

SONAR has drag&drop plugins.. and it has had it for years.

[SWL]

Ahhhh Sonar guys bashing Logic :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:

[midphase]

Poor corporate whores. "Apple Loops"' has 15 year old pimple popper written all over it. Oh yeah, definitely a highlight in a $800 piece of software upgrade


What in the world are you talking about? Apple loops is great! I use them as often as I can, in very creative and useful ways. Good thing the majority of composers share your same point of view and wouldn't touch Apple Loops with a stick. It means I get to use this great tool and have this sound that most others are missing out on.

People who poop on Apple Loops have obviously never used them!

[midphase]

Just another point....I can't believe people are bitching about $20 considering the fact that you get new virtual synths and plug ins as part of this update. There are guys who will drop $200 on some new EQ or some obscure virtual synth without batting an eye, yet $20 is somehow too much for Apple to charge? How?

The best money I ever spent last year was the $300 to upgrade to Logic 7 (closely followed by Stylus RMX).

The dumbest money I spent last year was.....you won't believe it but it's something that many people around here felt was the bargain of the century!

[Nick Batzdorf]

Who's afraid to say it? I agree with that in many ways, although I'd probably just fart - spitting is pretty gross.

But there's also a contemporary sound you can't really get any other way. And good musicians still manage to make their original voice come through when they're using loops.

[Jaimo]

Loops are for hacks and frauds who can't write their own music...

There. I said what everyone else is thinking but is too timid to say.

I say it often.

I also use loops often. It's just another tool.

If we really want to go there, then we have to say the same thing about sample libraries...

;)

[SWL]

There. I said what everyone else is thinking but is too timid to say.

No .. only clueless - non-working, idealist, schmucks like yourself ...

If you choose to use senseless, broad-stroked generalizations - i'll do the same.

[Nick Batzdorf]

8. Follow Tempo Option for Recorded Audio
Enable the new "Follow Tempo" Region parameter for any audio recorded
into your song, and Logic will time and pitch shift the file when you change the song's tempo or key.


Doesn't this look interesting. Whether it's granular or hi-fi, if it works on frozen tracks, it would allow you to get a lot more mileage out of a single machine.

[esteso]

Doesn't this look interesting. Whether it's granular or hi-fi, if it works on frozen tracks, it would allow you to get a lot more mileage out of a single machine.

Nick, I'm not following you. Could you spell it out for me?

[Maraxalamanta]

...or so it would seem at first glance, but I am in fact a Cubase user . A slightly envious at that, though :)

[Samplecraze]

I welcome the upgrade, and the price is negligable compared to the features.

My only fear is that I foresee Logic 8 requiring a G6 with dual 5 gig processors...... :D

[chriscaouette]

Did we just pass under a bridge because we picked up a troll.
:rolleyes:

[fictionmusic]

Alas being in Canada I have to wait until Apple Canada gets the upgrade, and based on the phone call I just had, they don't even know what it is let alone when (or if) they'll get it. Stupid.

Now as far as loops go, I see both sides of the story. I use a lot of drum loops (and what is RMX if not a collection of editable drum loops?) but I usually create them first and then transfer them into RMX as rex files or into Apple Loops. That way I can use and re-use them. I also use pHATmatik pro a lot.
I was urged to use hiphop drum loops because of the shows I was working on. At first I was reluctant but now I love them! In my defense (if I need one to gain credibility) I can notate them easily, I can create them (and like I said earlier I often do) and I usually manipulate them and add drum kits that i play or program myself. Still the feature that the producers want (the loops) are prevalent.

here are some examples, call it what you will:

http://www.fictionmusic.tv/cafe/Syd%20in%20The%20Secret%20Lair.mp3

http://www.fictionmusic.tv/cafe/Syd%20In%20Vienna.mp3

http://www.fictionmusic.tv/cafe/Syd%20In%20South%20Africa.mp3

[fictionmusic]

A troll who bashes loop and phrase users with his big club, then grinds up their bones and makes an untasty soup.

Edit: I can't critisize your music, fiction, because I couldn't finish any of them. From what I did hear, they all sounded like common, CSI-esque normal-TV-blah music to me, and like I said earlier, they all felt limited in their mobility. But maybe that's what you were going for.

For someone who can't criticise you did a pretty good job of it nevertheless!
They are designed for Tv for sure (actually a cartoon in developement about a Spy-Girl) and the reference was more Alias than CSI, but if you listen past the loops they mayn't be as limited in their mobility as you think. Regardless though you weren't able to get that far. Whatever.

[Maraxalamanta]

I'm no troll, I was just somewhat disgusted by the fact that apple obviously has emagic in such a tight grip that they have to make way for all of the new & relatively useless apple technology, and even make it the "biggest new feature" in the 7.1 upgrade. Hence eMagic = corporate whores. I'm not really against loops, but why wasn't REX loops good enough?

[PaulR]

here are some examples, call it what you will:


Very interesting and effective. I can see them sitting well in certain types of animation. Good - Well done.

[tquandt]

Don't feed the troll! He is fed by your attention, and if you ignore him, he will starve sooner or later. :p

[JohnnyP]

Fiction music,

I typing as I listen. I don't have RMX yet so can you elaborate on how you used it. Did you use CHAOS or how many layers etc? Could you list your libraries used. I like what you did here and get a mood. Yup scary but child friendly.

This is cool stuff for someone who said they 'stumbled' into composing. (That was you in another thread right?).

Can you give more details on the show or is that 'hush' 'hush'? I feel like I'm hearing modern cartoon music! I'm saying that because I do watch a lot of animation and it seems like you still hear the Miroslav stuff. I feel like I'm hearing a kiddie version of Alias (of which my wife and I are fans).

Sincerely,

Jonathan

[JohnnyP]

Unicornation,





I scavenge the land, eating all the loops and phrases that I can, with the hope that one day I will eat them all, and everyone, heaven forbid, will have to compose again.
Perhaps the issue is that editors/producers want music that's popluar and loop based for editing purposes. I mean there's a difference between a commercial, a commissioned concert work, and a film cue.

Sincerley,

Jonathan

[Eric Doggett]

What the nation of unicorns is missing is (and maybe he hasn't gotten this call yet):

"We'd like you to write the music for this commercial, but it's headed out for broadcast soon. We just need a piece that highlights this part of the spot. Can you do it in a few hours??"

Somehow, "Sure, let me score this, work with my orchestrator, bring in the live players", etc., just won't cut it.

[PaulR]

"We'd like you to write the music for this commercial, but it's headed out for broadcast soon. We just need a piece that highlights this part of the spot. Can you do it in a few hours??"

Somehow, "Sure, let me score this, work with my orchestrator, bring in the live players", etc., just won't cut it.

:D :D :D

[fictionmusic]

I listened aallll the way through your Vienna piece and then tried to listen all the way through your Africa piece, but alas, could not. It was far too painful. <snip>
I don't see why you're acting offended.
<snip>
If this is a glimpse at the future of art music, than my heart is broken.



The future of art music? The example isn't trying to be the future of art music, its TV music pure and simple and is a perfect example of why Apple includes loops (which was my point in the first place).

I also write orchestral music but I don't use Logic to do it, I use a pencil and score paper and hire players. I may record it in Logic but usually end up using whatever units the studio has. Maybe even that wouldn't qualify as Art music in your books, but the point is about using Logic, not about advancing the status of Art music.

And I am not offended actually, in spite of your inflammatory language. I do regret hijacking the thread though, I was only illustrating (in real examples) why I appreciate Apple including loops.

[esteso]

But sophisticated and educated taste will tell you differently.

Oh, oh.... here we go again. Another sophisticated, educated composer with a high opinion of themselves.

[PaulR]

What exactly are Apple Loops? I've got Logic 6.4 and there are no loop menus are far as I can tell. What do you do with them? Is it for drums? :confused:

[rob morsberger]

unicornation:
I believe one's work is the best form of criticism.
Please post links to some of yours so we can hear what you're talking about.

Thanks,

Rob

[fictionmusic]

Okay, then. We have no disagreement. We're agreed that the examples you posted are only "TV music" and not real music. Real music does not use loops or phrases.

Whoo there Unicornation, I said it wasn't advancing the status of art music, I never said it wasn't real music. A lot of those phrases I played myself. A lot of those loops I made myself (a lot came from RMX too). A lot of the bg ambiences I designed myself. I played all the parts in the non loop (ie non percussion/drum loop) stuff too.

Where do you get the idea that a loop isn't real? Someone had to play them in the first place. I actually have given buddies loops of gtr lines i played. They were real. I also give loops of percussion parts I played (and use them myself) they are real too.

Let's say I have a session with a drummer and its a jazz tune. I want him to use brushes on an open snare drum, and use his foot to close a hihat on 2 and 4, as well as play a ride pattern. Maybe I'll ask him to drop bombs with his bass foot. Now suppose I have a loop with a ride pattern that does exactly that. Now lets say I do the hi-hat part, and then then bass drum part. How is that in any way different then having the lad in to do it. I have the entire performance in my head, I can articulate it, (indeed I can play it), I can notate it, but instead I have conveniantly found loops.


The same is true of drum machine parts. I can program them pretty well. Why would it be any less inscrutable to find a loop that does the exact same thing. What if I use a loop I created myself earlier?

Lets look at another example. I want a french horn to gliss. Well any one writing orchestral stuff would know he has to use the overtone series for that. I want it in the key of G, and I want him to start on D (partial 6 say). Well the subsequent notes are virtually written in stone. If I went to a library and found that phrase (gliss in G) starting from partial 6, it will be the exact same notes. Has to be. How is that not real?

I tell you what: I am suspicious of anyone who goes into listening to anything with a closed mind. It seems so strange for someone to listen to a piece and get pissed of it doesn't do what they prefer. I write a lot of atonal music and I have heard so many people tell me it sounds "out of tune" or that "note is wrong". They have their own template of what to expect so firmly in their minds they can't appreciate something for what it is, rather they are all over it for what it isn't.

[PaulR]

Many thanks Craig! I will try and find a link, otherwise I will start asking too many questions. :o

[digi882]

It never ceases to amaze me at the ridiculous beefing whinging spoilt brats that you often hear on forums. they moan about anything and everything

1. $20 for Apple to charge for an update worth more imo.
Development COSTS!!! probably a little too complicated for simpletons who moan to understand, but seeing as we are in a free market world by and large dont ever expect to get anything for free, oh yes can i download your latest composition (comprising of samples and clones of original pianos, strings etc which you cant be bothered to save for a lifetime to buy outright.

2. Loops..

Dear oh dear i bet these guys have played many a riff they heard on the radio and slightly modified to suit their latest and newest so called original compo... there aint nothing really original anymore most of what we tend to create are progressions, rifss, styles learnt from chord books or what we have heard and bastardised to suit our needs, a few riffs in different keys hacked about reversed slightly tweaked and this is befoere computer editing existed. A loop these days are a far cry from just lifting it of a cd as once was the habit, nowadays they are pretty much the same as creating different chord progressions, riffs basslines runs trills THAT already exist etc need i go on. The only difference is that they are prepackaged, at least non degree holding professors of Classical music can get the ol sample cd out and recreate something from these pre packaged loops to create a new variation of music. HMMMM i bet these aristocrats of Music back in the day were moaning about how blues killed music and was a distortion of the way music is supposed to be.. Well THANK GOD a lot of uneducated illeterates got the guitar out and started to strum along until they came up with a new style that spawned many a style such as rock and roll, pop, jazz etc these in turn spawned new styles of jazz fusion, funk r and b house garage etc need i go on, and now thanks to the lovely samples we can add world music drums to our compos to make them sound .........drum roll .... INTERESTING as well as not costing an arm and a leg.

MUSIC is MUSIC spend more time being creative in our non original state unless/until someone comes up with a brand new instrument that never existed and a style of music that no one has never ever heard, enjoy it blend it extrapolate it BUT dont come out pretending that youre the only one that does original never heard of music compositions, cause well if you are, patent it first then let us hear it and pay you homage oh you great wise person...

oh and btw if it is crap it will still be crap no matter what gloss and sheen is sprayed from the Protools aerosol plugins ......

opps that put the cat amongst the pigeons now

[rob morsberger]

unicornation:
are you willing to post links to your music or not?
Your work will speak louder than your words.

Thanks,

Rob

[Nick Batzdorf]

Michael, the new Logic feature will allow regions to time-stretch automatically with the tempo. That's what Live does - you can change the tempo, and it slices the music up into grains that it stretches/compresses to meet the tempo on the fly. If you haven't seen it, it's pretty amazing.

Now, the biggest limitation with freezing sequenced parts (i.e. converting them to audio really quickly) is that you can't slow down the tempo to play other parts in. Those of us who aren't really keyboard players need to do that, and automatic on-the-fly time-strecthing would solve the problem and free up the computer for other things.

It's still much better to keep everything MIDI until the end, and freezing doesn't free up RAM. But this feature may be a help.

[digi882]

Inspite of what i have said tho, Unicornation does have one point. It is tho we have the tools etc we should still strive to be creative with them. We should try to come up with Original meshing of loops as opposed to four on four riffs throughout the track. Laziness should not be the norm of music creation. I have heard very interesting pieces that moved me yet i have also heard a lot of cack repititions heck i have made some myself (laziness). The tools do help it must be said. We should be thankful that these days we can buy recording gear rather than pay $100 for ten seconds of time in mega bucks studio where you only get your hard work on some crappy cassette. Oh and yes you dont own the rights to the recording either. I love all types of music classical thru to well any genre that i feel some vibe of sorts.

Also cheers to all the very hardworking software synth, samplers, library creators to whom we thank for the good stuff that comes up from time to time.

[Nick Batzdorf]

Hey Unicorn, you gotta hear "Doo-Bop," a record they released after Miles Davis' death that uses a lot of loops and editing. And rapping.

See if that doesn't change your opinion.

[rob morsberger]

Dear Unicornation,
if you would care to email to me some mp3s of your work, I would be happy to host them and create a link for the forum. Feel free to PM me.

Thanks,

Rob

[football]

With music I say whatever makes you happy.

For instance,

One person loves the famous classical composers but hates House music.
The next person loves House music and despises classical music...

I my world they are both "right".

I don't give a flying ~~~~ which is supposedly "better" nor do most people who enjoy music (I didn't say compose it).

[rob morsberger]

Great!

Looking forward to hearing from you then.

Rob

[Nick Batzdorf]

We're dancing, Uni! This isn't an official public announcement, because it would be rude if advertisers found out about it this way, but it's looking like we're going to have to push it back to a May release/June cover date.

People who subscribed early would get an extra issue in that case, and if this rumor is indeed true, we would of course issue an apology - and an explanation that everything takes longer than you think it's going to take when you're launching a new venture.

[football]

Is it me or did a post dissapear?

[esteso]

Now, the biggest limitation with freezing sequenced parts (i.e. converting them to audio really quickly) is that you can't slow down the tempo to play other parts in. Those of us who aren't really keyboard players need to do that, and automatic on-the-fly time-strecthing would solve the problem and free up the computer for other things.



Thanks Nick, got it!

[rob morsberger]

It looks rather as if our friend Uniforcation has been politely given the boot.
Never did hear from him further regarding the music he said he would send for me to post.


Rob

[fictionmusic]

Very interesting and effective. I can see them sitting well in certain types of animation. Good - Well done.

Paul thanks! I just noticed your comment


Fiction music,

I typing as I listen. I don't have RMX yet so can you elaborate on how you used it. <snip> I feel like I'm hearing a kiddie version of Alias (of which my wife and I are fans).

Sincerely,

Jonathan

Hey Jonathan
I sent you an e-mail with the info...did you get it? In any event thanks for your comments. I like Alias too. ( especially Jennifer.Imma gonna kick your butt.Garner)

[SteveHanlon]

Happy to see Logic get drag and drop effects across track inserts.

Sonar had this featuer as far back as Cakewalk 9!

I love Logic but I no longer hold the notion that it's Professional and Cakewalk/Sonar isn't.

Nor do I hold the notion that Apple works and PCs don't.

I used to believe these back in my PC windows 98/Cakewalk days.

Oh, and $20 for un upgrade. Absolutely, ridiculously fair!

[Rach3]

This "show us your music" thing is kind of puzzling me. I mainly have 2 questions about it:

(1) Is it necessary for someone to have the ability to compose (or to do whatever related) in order to give opinions?

(2) Lets say if this guy really posts some music, and you really like it, does it mean that you will accept his opinions on your music?

Just what is the point of this "show us your music, then talk later" thing?

[rob morsberger]

That is a nice piece.

But his posts were worse than harsh. They were very arrogant. Since he was cruelly slamming someone else who was kind enough to share his music publicly, I thought he should step up to the plate and show us what he could do.

To his credit, apparently he had the balls to do it and his work is good.

But the attitude is a drag.

Sincerely,

Rob

[Frederick]

Bring out the gonad noose - I think we have an imposter :p

[SWL]

Weirdness .....

For the several years i've been here, it still puzzles me why this forum requires such heavy handed censorship.

Anyhow .... the update looks nice !!

Nick, so where can subscribe to your rag ?

As for 'art music' - in the 21st century - unfortunetly, it is almost irrelevent and has its place only with academics. In my opinion .... of course.

I love the topic - where are we now, where are we going - how does 2005 Hollywood compare to 1830's Vienna, etc .... but a topic i prefer to discuss over stout beers :-)

[fictionmusic]

Rob, I am not so sure....remember he said he didn't have a place to host his pieces?

Well if he is Christopher Theofanidi

http://pcm.peabody.jhu.edu/~theofanidis/audio.html

then...here is his web site.....strange...sounds like an imposter.


If I remember correctly he didn't say he had written that piece, he said it was an example of something he thought was free and flowing, and the composer could never have done that over loops. He also said he had nothing online. I took all of that to mean it was someone else's piece.

[Rach3]

How interesting!

Does the fact (whether he/she is the composer of that piece of music) really affects the validity of his opinions?

[fictionmusic]

How interesting!

Does the fact (whether he/she is the composer of that piece of music) really affects the validity of his opinions?

Nope not at all, I was just clarifying the issue of whether he had written it. I think he was invited to post something not so much to validate his viewpoint as to illustrate it. His arguements carried the constant allusion to his superior musical education and sophistication: I think Rob just wanted to see an example of it.

[Samplecraze]

http://website.lineone.net/~glenclark/grems/0273.gif

Probably one of the most civil forums I have had the pleasure to join.

[chriscaouette]

To say you dislike loops is one thing but it sounded to me like Uni immediately made it personal by stating that (I forget the exact words now that the post is gone) anyone who uses loops is a hack. I am not a big fan of loops either but I do know they have a place in music and I have used them from time to time. There is all kinds of music in the world and many different ways to create it. I was offended by Uni's remarks because of that not becuase he/she disliked loops.
What was more interesting than all of that was the fact that it was a 'new member' and this was the only forum Uni was posting in. Interesting how as soon as a Logic thread popped up a new user came in to create a problem in it.

Peace
Chris

[JohnnyP]

Fiction,




Hey Jonathan
I sent you an e-mail with the info...did you get it? In any event thanks for your comments. I like Alias too. ( especially Jennifer.Imma gonna kick your butt.Garner)
Ummmm I don't think so. If you sent to the email account that's registered with the forum, I don't check that one regularly. Would Mind PM me or sending it to this address:jonathanparham@hotmail.com

Sincerley,

Jonathan