GOS on a Mac with DP?

[Fun Ghoul]

DPDAN or anyone else out there reading,

Curious, is there a way to use GOS on a Mac with DP?

Seems senseless to use a seperate PC for Giga when I've got a monster Mac setup.

I'm ready to buy GOS, but afraid to get stuck with something that only sort of works as opposed to fully.

I'm Running DP 4.5 & Mach 5 on a Dual 2.5 Ghz G5 with 3.5 Gigs of RAM.

Mach 5 has been a bit of a disappointment as its only been able to import about half of my original sample libraries. Been in full dialogue with MOTU at the time of this problem. Tried everything they suggested, could never easily import my Denny Jeager or Miroslav Strings (the most expensive, of course). I'm afraid I'll buy the GOS and have the same troubles.

Any suggestions?

Erik Paulsen

[Christopher Duncan]

Hi, Erik.

Since GOS requires Tascam's GigaStudio, I checked their site. The question below is "Can I run GigaStudio on a Mac?". Their answer is one word: "No." Not terribly elaborate, but to the point.

http://www.tascamgiga.com/support/faq.php#27

Sorry, probably not the answer you were looking for, but wouldn't want you to order it and then find out you can't use it...

[rikp]

Erik:

If you own Mach5 you can import GOS into the Mach5. The bummer is that you will lose the keyswitches. This may be solved with the new version of Mach5 that is due out soon. I use GOS with DP with my Mach5, but I also use GIGA on a PC into DP so that I can use GOS the way it should be used.

Hope I helped you.

Peace

Rik

[DPDAN]

Hi Erik!

The good news for you is that you can use GOS on your Mac with DP. I use it with Gigastudio on a PC but, Karl Garrett uses it on his Mac with DP and Mach 5. The disadvantage of using it on a Mac is that you can not use the Maestro Tools program along with GOS. Here's how that works.

On a PC with Giga studio, before you open Giga, you open Maestro Tools first, this allows Maestro tools to grab the midi inputs before giga can get them. Then you open Giga and Giga actually gets all of it's midi data from Maestro tools, hence Maestro tools can be set to use a variety of features like auto-alternating bows and legato mode. GOS does have different ways to get around this Maestro Tools thing.

I want to give you all the information you need to make the right decision, and I have to tell you that the GPO Advanced version that is due out this summer is going to have a significantly larger choice of articulations compared to the current GPO package. I doubt it will have all the articulations of GOS, but it might be worth the wait. Now, keep in mind that GOS is only string sections, no solo instruments or any other instruments for that matter. Just string sections.
IT IS INCREDIBLE THOUGH!

I would think that if you purchased GOS, and then purchased GPO Advanced, you would be convinced that having both is a tremendous luxury.

dpDan :)

[Christopher Duncan]

Forgot about just pulling the samples. Glad to be wrong! :)

[DPDAN]

Hey Christopher, we're all just trying to share what we think we know :) :p
me too :eek:

[Christopher Duncan]

Hey Christopher, we're all just trying to share what we think we know :) :p
me too :eek:
No offense taken, man! I took the obvious path of checking Tascam without thinking it through, didn't want him to order GOS from me and then find out he couldn't use it. Anything to avoid embarrassment, you know. :rolleyes:

[DPDAN]

smiley smiley, I don't think you offended anyone, certainly not me, :)
heck I just wanted to make another post to get closer to 60,000 :)

[jc5]

Hi Erik!

The good news for you is that you can use GOS on your Mac with DP. I use it with Gigastudio on a PC but, Karl Garrett uses it on his Mac with DP and Mach 5. The disadvantage of using it on a Mac is that you can not use the Maestro Tools program along with GOS. Here's how that works.

On a PC with Giga studio, before you open Giga, you open Maestro Tools first, this allows Maestro tools to grab the midi inputs before giga can get them. Then you open Giga and Giga actually gets all of it's midi data from Maestro tools, hence Maestro tools can be set to use a variety of features like auto-alternating bows and legato mode. GOS does have different ways to get around this Maestro Tools thing.

I want to give you all the information you need to make the right decision, and I have to tell you that the GPO Advanced version that is due out this summer is going to have a significantly larger choice of articulations compared to the current GPO package. I doubt it will have all the articulations of GOS, but it might be worth the wait. Now, keep in mind that GOS is only string sections, no solo instruments or any other instruments for that matter. Just string sections.
IT IS INCREDIBLE THOUGH!

I would think that if you purchased GOS, and then purchased GPO Advanced, you would be convinced that having both is a tremendous luxury.

dpDan :)

I have also been wondering just how GOS will compare to the strings in GPO Advanced...
From my view though, the fact that GOS is a Giga library is a good thing - will GPO Advanced be available as a Giga library? Don't know... GPOA will probably build on the ensemble building features begun in GPO, which could lead to it being significantly more advanced than GOS.. but will it have the same sound quality and quanitity of articulations and sounds? After all, GOS is a large scale Giga library..

[DPDAN]

will GPO Advanced be available as a Giga library? NO, not that I can imagine. Tascam has still not yet had the courtesy to send Gary Garritan the GS3 Orchestra software to make a new version of GOS. I am saying this because I am a very happy Giga customer and it was disappointing to hear. I really like GS3 Orchestra but it was sad to hear Gary say "We are still witing for Tascam to send the software." He made a very professional point to not say anything negative about Tascam, so the future of Garritan's libraries in a Giga format are probably not going to happen.


Don't know... GPOA will probably build on the ensemble building features begun in GPO, which could lead to it being significantly more advanced than GOS.. but will it have the same sound quality and quanitity of articulations and sounds? After all, GOS is a large scale Giga library..

My guess is there will be no discernable difference in the quality of sound. Again, my guess too, is that many of the articulations found in GOS will be used in GPO Advanced. If I were in Gary's position, it would not make any sense to record all new samples when they are already recorded. They can be incorporated into a different format such as the Kontakt player, and be used very effectively with the addition of keyswitching that is now available.
My gut tells me that the days of Giga with Gary are over. Alot of things are changing these days really really fast. I just purchased Trilogy from Spectrasonics which does not use anyone's player. Anything is possible, I could be totally wrong, and these are just my observations with how things are going.
dpDan

[jc5]

My guess is there will be no discernable difference in the quality of sound. Again, my guess too, is that many of the articulations found in GOS will be used in GPO Advanced. If I were in Gary's position, it would not make any sense to record all new samples when they are already recorded. They can be incorporated into a different format such as the Kontakt player, and be used very effectively with the addition of keyswitching that is now available.
My gut tells me that the days of Giga with Gary are over. Alot of things are changing these days really really fast. I just purchased Trilogy from Spectrasonics which does not use anyone's player. Anything is possible, I could be totally wrong, and these are just my observations with how things are going.
dpDan

Your gut is probably right - can't say that makes me happy though. :(
I am no fan of Kontakt or most of these standalone players...
Giga gives you control over what you are doing, and its RAM handling remains unparalleled..

I could certainly see a great deal of GOS being included in Advanced, though again if the focus will be on the ensemble building technology that might not be the case.
Thing is, it seems that there will still be a GOS2 at some point, so there will have to be something to distinguish the strings in Advanced from the new GOS... possibly the morphing tech might be the difference, unless there are plans to have that in Advanced (though I doubt it, otherwise what is the point of releasing the solo strad?).

Interesting things on the horizon... if only more info were available now. ;)

[Fun Ghoul]

Strings have always been the hardest thing to duplicate in a MIDI production. Although I'm by no means a working professional, I always thought the extra money on a good string library is worth while.

I'm only just getting back into the music thing after a four year hiatus. Five years ago I made the mistake of putting my studio in a portion of our home that was caught up in a massive renovation. Stole all my time... This fall I finally got everything back together (found out I don't need half my analogue gear!) Managed to get a gig writing some theme music for a special event and despite being incredibly rusty, to my surprise, I was actually able to pull it off with all the new tools. The client was happy. I got paid!

I'm still trying to get this new system to be as versatile as my original setup. But Mach Five won't translate half the sample libraries I depended on. Truth is, there's much better stuff to be had now. But regarding the purchase of a new string library, it seems like the real answer is, don't buy a thing until a sure thing is released and lauded with positive reviews.

Honestly, I'd like to build my system around the Garritan products, because I like the sense of community that I see in this forum. But Mach Five with GOS seems like half a solution. To buy a Giga setup seems as smart right now as buying a bunch analogue patch bays. By no means a dead technology, but, like audio tape, maybe its on its way out.

Thanks for all for your input. Any other suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[DPDAN]

To buy a Giga setup seems as smart right now as buying a bunch analogue patch bays. By no means a dead technology, but, like audio tape, maybe its on its way out.
Although that statement is very funny, it is sad and true at the same time, at least I think you're right anyway. :(

dpDan

[bmonroney]

Kontakt handles giga import - I've been using GOS Lite with Kontakt 1.53. I haven't tried re-importing it with Kontakt 2 yet, will report back after I do so. The nice thing about having Kontakt is you can also load GPO instruments into it, combining them in multis with GOS or other libraries if you like, allowing you to set up various useful templates. Kontakt supports 16 instruments/MIDI channels per instance (bumped up to 64 in Kontakt 2 standalone), which is an advantage over the Kontakt Player included with GPO. (note that K2 still has some unresolved issues with GPO programming, hopefully to be resolved soon). As for Giga's "unparalleled RAM management", I doubt that it is really outperforming Kontakt's disk-streaming engine at this point.

Brian

[Fun Ghoul]

Appreciate your input Brian.

The cool thing about GPO is that its practically a turn key solution. Could we have a MAC version of GOS like this? Between work, home, family & friends, I barely have enough time to sit in the studio and produce, much less fiddling with importing samples that may or may not work.

GPO reminds me of my old EMU proteus. So straight forward. On the other hand dealing with the JV-880... Yeesh!

I just wanna write and produce. I'm one of the few I know that completes anything... The trick (and a hard trick at that) is not to get all tangled up in the technology. The technician's side of all this stuff is always threatening to overtake the artist's side. Its a fine line we all walk...

Please Mr G, a turn key GOS for the MAC & PC...

Erik