JohnW
11-06-2000, 10:16 PM
Dear Fellow Musicians
I am posting my replies to those who posted success with standard pcs.
I believe it is important for us to preserve
all musicians and Professional Computer DAWS as this is what makes our industry a Success!
I support Gigastudio and Soundsonics. Thank you my fellow friends.
Hi,
I would like to reply to all of you who have created this forum. I am appauled to hear such negativity and misinformation that has been instituted by the 3 above responses.
I have been in the Movie Industry for a considerable amount of time and dedicated my passion for life and music experiences to create the ultimate in Human emotions. I have been using Gigastudio(Gigasampler since they started).
I have been looking on this site for User advice, but instead I hear negativity and barging of individuals that have earned their credit in this field we are in.
I think that you not only are very misleading but hurt other Industry Professionals reputations. The music Industry is tough, but having respect for other businesses and Individiduals credit and achievements are what makes our Industry what it is today.
I would like to reply to a few quotes given by your unprofessional demeneor.
You wrote:
I figure I can spend max about 2 grand, maybe a bit more on the entire system (soundcard, PC and program).
Reply: ( I agree that price plays a role in your purchase, but with all respect, I do not think you should be in this business if Money is your main concern when purchasing a system. The last thing you need to consider is the Financial sacrifice. It sounds like you are more interested in getting what you can for $1800.00 than the ultimate reason. professional equipment.
I want to make the move to professional quality MIDI - so I figure . . . GIGASTUDIO!
Reply: Your words \"Professional\" should tell you that to be able to use a Professional product you need a professional system to do it with. In our studios we cannot afford to buy a Dell, or other semi-pro system. There is no room for error or future restriction of expansion capabilities.
I bought my system from Soundsonics and Dave did not talk price until I asked him to. I think $1799 is excellent for a Professional DAW.
You wrote:
This is without a soundcard or the actual software. Soundchaser comes in with an all-inclusive package which includes software I doubt I need for a bargain price of $3,800 (though they, as opposed to Dave, are including the sound card and Gigastudio itself). Still, like I said I have very little money.
Reply: You mentioned that this system for $1799, was without a soundcard or Gigastudio. Well lets put some Math Together.
System $1799= Soundcard (Lets say $Aardvark Pro 24/96 = $599. Gigastudio $300/$600. Which brings me to a total Max total of $3000.00. (Thats a very good price. Soundchaser sells for $3800. I would say Soundsonics has the better deal.
You wrote:
Should I just buy a #$*$&%@ Dell? I could get a pentium III, 800 mhz, 40 gb hard drive for 1300? Dave\'s specs for the 1799 quote aren\'t as good as that.
Reply:
This defeats the whole purpose on purchasing a \"Professional system.\" Sounds like you wish to settle for less.You cannot compare the two. There is no comparison.
You wrote:
I\'m sorry to yell, but I\'ve pretty much had it with numbers and specs and things i didn\'t know i needed and people trying to take as much of my money as they possibly can.
Reply:
This is strictly your opinion. Do you see someone selling you a system as someone trying to deplete your financial gain? This is what is sounds like to me. Instead, why not have an approach on what quality will they give me and will this upgrade my studio quality?
You wrote:
Please - imagine you didn\'t have a huge amount of money invested in your studio, and you weren\'t making a lot of money. What would you do?
Reply:
(I would save my money.)
If you wish to own a studio then you need the best quality. I cannot Imagine having a studio with less quality=less money.
You Wrote:
Like I\'ve said in earlier posts, these folks who \"make\" the DAWs are making a heck of a margin - as high as 40% on some.
Reply:
You should be carefull of such statements:
Do you have proof of the 40% margin that you are claiming. Where is this factual information? Please show me!
My computer runs great with Gigastudio. All of this stuff I hear about needing no less then 756 megs of ram is pure crap. I just finished a song with 28 tracks using Symphony of voices, Distorted Reality 2, Gigapiano(lite version), Ethno World, and Xsample percussion volume 9 and my ram only maxed at 42% and I only have 128 megs and absolutely no pops, glitches, latency or anything in my song! I have heard so many nightmare stories, but I think if you get a Pentium 3 no less than 600 MHz and 128 megs ram, you will be absolutely fine! 256 megs would be really great especially for doing large symphonic pieces but 128 is fine to start. You might have to tweak some things out like lowering your graphics accelaration to avoid pops and clicks, but nothing to heavy.
Reply:
You should be carefull of your explanations on performance and Ram. I own a dell pc for home use. The possibility with a Dell performance is there, and I agree only to a point. Yes you used 28 tracks, but the measurement of Voices, Effect and Polyphony has the end result needed. In my line of Business 28 tracks is but a fraction of a composed Movie Score. If 28 tracks is all you need a Dell PC might do it(restricted). If you are serious about good quality compostions with Reverbs and numerous effects, think of and average of 48- 96+ Tracks. I will give you a $1000 if you can get that much with 128MRAM. You do need at least 500+ to make a Professional Movie Score work for you. The Standard Systems or Dell systems you mention is just enough to get by for now.
As a composer my system wishes to be current for the next 5 years. Where will your system be in the next 5 years.
A profesional system has higher Wattage, Exact hardware needed to perform Professional Gigastudio Applications.(Hardware are suggested by Gigastudio designers themselves.) A Professional system proves the theory of Expansion. Why waste your hard earned income for a unit that will only support software for a year or two. I am already looking towards the future. Software changes drastically within a few months. Will your PC be able to take the punch? I doubt it.
The amount of tracks that can be produced is but a fraction of the capabilities of Gigastudio. Its more advanced than you think.We are not talking about functionality, but creativity, thus a proffesional system is not restricted.
My advice is for all of you who wish to start using a product is to focus on Professionalism as a criteria in your applications. Professional products come with a price. If you cannot afford it you cannot expect a professional outcome.
You Wrote:
Watch out for shysters dude. They\'re just like any crooked person. If a dentist says you need a root canal, you say \"Oh no, thats so expensive!\" Are you a dentist though? Do you know whether you really need a root canal or not? You might just need a filling replaced. Think about it.
Reply:
Your Dentist approach is very confusing. I trust my Dentist. If you cant trust his advice then maybe you should perform the procedure yourself.(Tell me what happened).
I would like to defend the business relationships I have established, and Dave at Soundsonics is one of them. To this day he still gives me a Jingle and I give him feedback on my projects. I do not see Dell or any other standard Manufacturer giving advice or support. Who are you calling a Shyster.? If you cannot trust an environment of music professionals or those that build them you cannot claim yourself to be a true musician. A true musician is known to be Intuitive, Creative and open to others advice and good judgement.
If you do not have anything good to say about computer/digital music professionals such as Gigastudio or Soundsonics I strongly advise you to keep your personal opinions for yourself. This is what our business is all about:\"To increase the quality of life.\"
Please do respect our Music realm and those that make it happen.
JohnW
[This message has been edited by JohnW
[This message has been edited by JohnW (edited 11-06-2000).]
I am posting my replies to those who posted success with standard pcs.
I believe it is important for us to preserve
all musicians and Professional Computer DAWS as this is what makes our industry a Success!
I support Gigastudio and Soundsonics. Thank you my fellow friends.
Hi,
I would like to reply to all of you who have created this forum. I am appauled to hear such negativity and misinformation that has been instituted by the 3 above responses.
I have been in the Movie Industry for a considerable amount of time and dedicated my passion for life and music experiences to create the ultimate in Human emotions. I have been using Gigastudio(Gigasampler since they started).
I have been looking on this site for User advice, but instead I hear negativity and barging of individuals that have earned their credit in this field we are in.
I think that you not only are very misleading but hurt other Industry Professionals reputations. The music Industry is tough, but having respect for other businesses and Individiduals credit and achievements are what makes our Industry what it is today.
I would like to reply to a few quotes given by your unprofessional demeneor.
You wrote:
I figure I can spend max about 2 grand, maybe a bit more on the entire system (soundcard, PC and program).
Reply: ( I agree that price plays a role in your purchase, but with all respect, I do not think you should be in this business if Money is your main concern when purchasing a system. The last thing you need to consider is the Financial sacrifice. It sounds like you are more interested in getting what you can for $1800.00 than the ultimate reason. professional equipment.
I want to make the move to professional quality MIDI - so I figure . . . GIGASTUDIO!
Reply: Your words \"Professional\" should tell you that to be able to use a Professional product you need a professional system to do it with. In our studios we cannot afford to buy a Dell, or other semi-pro system. There is no room for error or future restriction of expansion capabilities.
I bought my system from Soundsonics and Dave did not talk price until I asked him to. I think $1799 is excellent for a Professional DAW.
You wrote:
This is without a soundcard or the actual software. Soundchaser comes in with an all-inclusive package which includes software I doubt I need for a bargain price of $3,800 (though they, as opposed to Dave, are including the sound card and Gigastudio itself). Still, like I said I have very little money.
Reply: You mentioned that this system for $1799, was without a soundcard or Gigastudio. Well lets put some Math Together.
System $1799= Soundcard (Lets say $Aardvark Pro 24/96 = $599. Gigastudio $300/$600. Which brings me to a total Max total of $3000.00. (Thats a very good price. Soundchaser sells for $3800. I would say Soundsonics has the better deal.
You wrote:
Should I just buy a #$*$&%@ Dell? I could get a pentium III, 800 mhz, 40 gb hard drive for 1300? Dave\'s specs for the 1799 quote aren\'t as good as that.
Reply:
This defeats the whole purpose on purchasing a \"Professional system.\" Sounds like you wish to settle for less.You cannot compare the two. There is no comparison.
You wrote:
I\'m sorry to yell, but I\'ve pretty much had it with numbers and specs and things i didn\'t know i needed and people trying to take as much of my money as they possibly can.
Reply:
This is strictly your opinion. Do you see someone selling you a system as someone trying to deplete your financial gain? This is what is sounds like to me. Instead, why not have an approach on what quality will they give me and will this upgrade my studio quality?
You wrote:
Please - imagine you didn\'t have a huge amount of money invested in your studio, and you weren\'t making a lot of money. What would you do?
Reply:
(I would save my money.)
If you wish to own a studio then you need the best quality. I cannot Imagine having a studio with less quality=less money.
You Wrote:
Like I\'ve said in earlier posts, these folks who \"make\" the DAWs are making a heck of a margin - as high as 40% on some.
Reply:
You should be carefull of such statements:
Do you have proof of the 40% margin that you are claiming. Where is this factual information? Please show me!
My computer runs great with Gigastudio. All of this stuff I hear about needing no less then 756 megs of ram is pure crap. I just finished a song with 28 tracks using Symphony of voices, Distorted Reality 2, Gigapiano(lite version), Ethno World, and Xsample percussion volume 9 and my ram only maxed at 42% and I only have 128 megs and absolutely no pops, glitches, latency or anything in my song! I have heard so many nightmare stories, but I think if you get a Pentium 3 no less than 600 MHz and 128 megs ram, you will be absolutely fine! 256 megs would be really great especially for doing large symphonic pieces but 128 is fine to start. You might have to tweak some things out like lowering your graphics accelaration to avoid pops and clicks, but nothing to heavy.
Reply:
You should be carefull of your explanations on performance and Ram. I own a dell pc for home use. The possibility with a Dell performance is there, and I agree only to a point. Yes you used 28 tracks, but the measurement of Voices, Effect and Polyphony has the end result needed. In my line of Business 28 tracks is but a fraction of a composed Movie Score. If 28 tracks is all you need a Dell PC might do it(restricted). If you are serious about good quality compostions with Reverbs and numerous effects, think of and average of 48- 96+ Tracks. I will give you a $1000 if you can get that much with 128MRAM. You do need at least 500+ to make a Professional Movie Score work for you. The Standard Systems or Dell systems you mention is just enough to get by for now.
As a composer my system wishes to be current for the next 5 years. Where will your system be in the next 5 years.
A profesional system has higher Wattage, Exact hardware needed to perform Professional Gigastudio Applications.(Hardware are suggested by Gigastudio designers themselves.) A Professional system proves the theory of Expansion. Why waste your hard earned income for a unit that will only support software for a year or two. I am already looking towards the future. Software changes drastically within a few months. Will your PC be able to take the punch? I doubt it.
The amount of tracks that can be produced is but a fraction of the capabilities of Gigastudio. Its more advanced than you think.We are not talking about functionality, but creativity, thus a proffesional system is not restricted.
My advice is for all of you who wish to start using a product is to focus on Professionalism as a criteria in your applications. Professional products come with a price. If you cannot afford it you cannot expect a professional outcome.
You Wrote:
Watch out for shysters dude. They\'re just like any crooked person. If a dentist says you need a root canal, you say \"Oh no, thats so expensive!\" Are you a dentist though? Do you know whether you really need a root canal or not? You might just need a filling replaced. Think about it.
Reply:
Your Dentist approach is very confusing. I trust my Dentist. If you cant trust his advice then maybe you should perform the procedure yourself.(Tell me what happened).
I would like to defend the business relationships I have established, and Dave at Soundsonics is one of them. To this day he still gives me a Jingle and I give him feedback on my projects. I do not see Dell or any other standard Manufacturer giving advice or support. Who are you calling a Shyster.? If you cannot trust an environment of music professionals or those that build them you cannot claim yourself to be a true musician. A true musician is known to be Intuitive, Creative and open to others advice and good judgement.
If you do not have anything good to say about computer/digital music professionals such as Gigastudio or Soundsonics I strongly advise you to keep your personal opinions for yourself. This is what our business is all about:\"To increase the quality of life.\"
Please do respect our Music realm and those that make it happen.
JohnW
[This message has been edited by JohnW
[This message has been edited by JohnW (edited 11-06-2000).]