Accodian Samples

[Deak]

Anyone know where I can get good button accordion (Colombian and/or Tejano) samples? I have seen Michiel Post samples but they don't appear to serve this category. Thanks all!

[Bardstown Audio]

You may want to check out the Classic Accordions collection from Bardstown Audio. There are no "button box" accordions in this collection, but there are nine different accordions, which all have their own distinctive character of sound. There are quite a few demos on our web site that demonstrate these different accordion sounds.

Kip McGinnis
Bardstown Audio
www.bardstownaudio.com

[Michiel Post]

Anyone know where I can get good button accordion (Colombian and/or Tejano) samples? I have seen Michiel Post samples but they don't appear to serve this category. Thanks all! Hi there, the Accordiana accordion that is on Post Accordions (http://www.postpiano.com/products/prod_iteminfo.php?id=33&subCat=Accordions) IS a button box instrument and as such very well suited for your style of music.

[imusic]

www.accordionze.com :-)!


cheers, imusic

[janila]

I have the Precisionsound (http://www.store.precisionsound.net/accordioninfo.php) Weltmeister. It's a nice sounding accordion for a decent price.

[Mike Greene]

I have Post Accordians and it is outstanding. What I especially like is they also give you the original tunings (or more accurately, out of tunings) that make all the difference in adding realism. In other words, many of these accordians aren't perfectly in tune on each key, but that's part of what makes them sound the way they do. I highly recommend. :)

- Mike Greene

[Bardstown Audio]

I will also mention that in the Classic Accordions collection from Bardstown Audio there are nine different accordions. In this collection, some accordions are tuned completely dry, while other accordions have varying degrees of musette and Slovenian tunings, which provide varying degrees of vibrato and wetness for French, Italian, Mexican, Cajun, Tex-Mex, Slovenian, Polish, Irish, plus many other international ethnic music styles. The accordions with dry tunings in this collection are suitable for not only ethnic music styles, but also jazz and pop music as well.

Kip McGinnis
Bardstown Audio
www.bardstownaudio.com

[ohernie]

For the best samples accordions... There is nothing like that of vrsound... it sounds amazing..

www.vrsound.com is their site... there may be free samples there i suppose..


And it is worth buying it too...

Vipin

Went to their site - where is it?

Ernie

[Alan Russell]

I will also mention that in the Classic Accordions collection from Bardstown Audio there are nine different accordions. In this collection, some accordions are tuned completely dry, while other accordions have varying degrees of musette and Slovenian tunings, which provide varying degrees of vibrato and wetness for French, Italian, Mexican, Cajun, Tex-Mex, Slovenian, Polish, Irish, plus many other international ethnic music styles. The accordions with dry tunings in this collection are suitable for not only ethnic music styles, but also jazz and pop music as well.

Kip McGinnis
Bardstown Audio
www.bardstownaudio.com


Hi,

I have employed many of Bardstown's Accordians in many of my scores and I can attest to the fact that they have fullfilled all of my objectives. They respond beautifully to my Motif 8 weighted Keyboard controller. They work quite well for ethnic, jazz and pop genres.

Alan Russell

[sub_circuit]

Here's a free accordion vsti

http://smatni.tripod.com/safwanmatnivstplugins/

[ohernie]

I have the Precisionsound (http://www.store.precisionsound.net/accordioninfo.php) Weltmeister. It's a nice sounding accordion for a decent price.

OT for this thread but I have to say they have some of the best demo's I've heard. Really hip little tunes.

Ernie

[janila]

OT for this thread but I have to say they have some of the best demo's I've heard. Really hip little tunes.

ErnieYes, they are great and they show the product in a rather realistic light. The Weltmeister is a good choise if you are only after an accordion. PMI Consolidated group buy might be a better choise for someone who has the need for other instruments included in the Consolidated bundle.

[Deak]

Thanks for all of the great replies. I really appreciate it. I will let you all know which one or ones i end up with.

[sergiobklyn]

Hi there, the Accordiana accordion that is on Post Accordions (http://www.postpiano.com/products/prod_iteminfo.php?id=33&subCat=Accordions) IS a button box instrument and as such very well suited for your style of music.

Are there any mp3's of the Accordiana?
Thanks,
Serge

[noenoeil]

Deak asked for a button accordion, the Weltmeister is a piano accordion.

I still use the older PMI accordions which are still very nice but needs a lot of MIDI controllers work, the good thing in this collection is the amount of different accordion sounds and brands. If you can't find exactly what you are looking for, one of the PMI's will probably do the job with a little tweaking... I haven't played the Bardstow so I can't comment about it.

Maybe now would be a good time for developers to think about a top accordion library, à la VSL (mmmmh Horizon Accordions, a grand Cavagnolo, legato tool, push/pull, perf_rep, at least 4 jeux, including a Bandoneon bonus treat - lets dream!) as the topic is often discussed in the forums... I would buy that instantly.

Christian

[ohernie]

Slightly OT but I've been meaning to ask Michiel this for awhile:

What is your relationship with SoundEngine in Chicago (www.soundengine.com) ?

I picked up what turned out to by your accordion disk from them. Based on the price I presumed they were doing a close-out sale. I had no problem with the sounds but the documentation was totally out of wack. There was no co-relation between sample names in the docs and the gigastudio files. I just couldn't picture you doing that, thus the question.

Ernie

[imusic]

Christian,

accordionize from bigfish audio has some cavangiolo samples,...

cheers, imusic

[Michiel Post]

Slightly OT but I've been meaning to ask Michiel this for awhile:

What is your relationship with SoundEngine in Chicago (www.soundengine.com (http://www.soundengine.com/)) ?

I picked up what turned out to by your accordion disk from them. Based on the price I presumed they were doing a close-out sale. I had no problem with the sounds but the documentation was totally out of wack. There was no co-relation between sample names in the docs and the gigastudio files. I just couldn't picture you doing that, thus the question.

Ernie

Scott who runs Soundengine started distribution of this library a few years ago and still carries it, albeit at a lower price and just in giga and akai formats. Great deal! I have not seen the documentation that comes with the disk but you can always pick up the instrument names and descriptions from my own website: www.postpiano.com (http://www.postpiano.com)

[TARI]

Hi there !!
I am interested as well in a good accordion library. As I play accordion I have one important question.
Is there any library with different dynamic layers for crescendos and dim. like a real one?

[midphase]

I just picked up the Weltmeister from Precision Sound.

I'll report back after I had a chance to use it in context.

[Bruce A. Richardson]

Hi there !!
I am interested as well in a good accordion library. As I play accordion I have one important question.
Is there any library with different dynamic layers for crescendos and dim. like a real one?

The best luck I have had is in conjunction with a wind controller. You have to be careful or it can come out very "hornlike," but ultimately, you need a level of control beyond attack or velocity control in order to really pull it off. I've also tried knob controllers, but the breath controller is more analogous to the instrument. Knobs and faders don't swell fast enough--not the same thing as applying pressure to the bellows and getting that particular envelope of response.

[TARI]

The best luck I have had is in conjunction with a wind controller. You have to be careful or it can come out very "hornlike," but ultimately, you need a level of control beyond attack or velocity control in order to really pull it off. I've also tried knob controllers, but the breath controller is more analogous to the instrument. Knobs and faders don't swell fast enough--not the same thing as applying pressure to the bellows and getting that particular envelope of response.

Thanks tor the advice Bruce. I think that perhaps there will be a library that has this problem solved. I have tried some really good accordion samples, but sometimes they dont seem real because always sound at the same velocity and dynamics is a main feature of this instrument. It would be great to be some library with dynamic changes via mod wheel like Vienna.

[midphase]

You could program those dynamics in yourself.

[TARI]

You could program those dynamics in yourself.
Yes, but I don´t like programming... :p I prefer that sampler developers do it, they always will do it better than me!! I have one project now with the main piece played with accordion. i just was looking for a really good library with all posibilities instead of playing it. I see I will have to play it...
;)

[midphase]

Tari,

Honestly....do youself a favor and hire an accordionist....it's good karma!

Seriously, that's what I'm planning to do for my project, I just bought the library to have a frame of reference, but I fully intend to hire an accordionist to give me that sound. Plus those guys don't get to work in the studio a whole lot so hopefully their rates are reasonable.

[ohernie]

It would be interesting to set up a linear controller with a differentiator, hardware or software, so the output corresponded to the rate of movement rather than the actual position and use that as an input device to simulate the bellows. No movement = no sound so you'd have to pump it. The polarity of the output could be used as a "keyswitch" to go between push and pull soundsets. Ironically, you'd also want a "release" switch, just as with a real accordion. It would also be interesting to allow the sum of depressed keys to modify the differentiator parameters. I presume fewer keys = less leakage = higher pressures with less movement.

I'm too new to the sampler game to know but couldn't all this be done with a script?

Also, I know timbre changes, doesn't pitch also change slightly with the rate of bellows movement?

Ernie

[TARI]

Tari,

Honestly....do youself a favor and hire an accordionist....it's good karma!

Seriously, that's what I'm planning to do for my project, I just bought the library to have a frame of reference, but I fully intend to hire an accordionist to give me that sound. Plus those guys don't get to work in the studio a whole lot so hopefully their rates are reasonable.

Hey Midphase...I play accordion since I was 9 years old! I was looking for a good sample library just because I prefer to work all with samples, but I see I will have to take the micro out of its box... :rolleyes:
If you need someone to play accordion perhaps I can help you ;) Just tell me what you need

[Michiel Post]

I did program a couple of programs on the Post Accordion Giga disk to be controlled by 4 midi general purpose controls. Each control was linked to filter, balance between layered instruments, vibrato and amplitude.
I used faders on midi controller, breath control, mod wheel and a swell pedal all routed to the gen purpose control data. It was the easiest way to control all of the parameters of the accordion sound at once.
These presets are on the giga disk only I believe.
A breath controller is the most direct way to convert dynamics (after the attack) and once you get the feel for it, it works very easy. Balance and vibrato are better controlled with wheels or faders. The vibrato-wheel on a keyboard should not return to zero however, as it would "steal" one of your hands to keep a continuous vibrato going. Really an accordion is difficult to emulate if you want to capture and recreate all the harmonic and dynamic behavior aspects.
Listen to what I did with these controllers: Accordion demo (http://www.postpiano.com/products/demos.php?id=33&subCat=Accordions)

[TARI]

Congrats Michiel!!! The demo is realistic and I see that the feeling of dynamics can be suited as you want. Have you got left hand samples as well?

[Michiel Post]

I did record them but never included them in the library because they didn't sound well. Dynamics were all wrong.

[TARI]

But I can see that the library has great posibilities and the price is really afordable

[Mike Greene]

Tari,

Honestly....do youself a favor and hire an accordionist....it's good karma!

Seriously, that's what I'm planning to do for my project, I just bought the library to have a frame of reference, but I fully intend to hire an accordionist to give me that sound. Plus those guys don't get to work in the studio a whole lot so hopefully their rates are reasonable.
I hired an accordianist a couple months ago. He sounded much better than my temp, largely because even though I'm a keyboard player, accordian technique is way out of my skill set. There a lot of accordian specific flourishes and "breathing" issues that make faking an accordian tricky.

The guy I hired is a first call union guy here in L.A. and although his playing was excellent, I did have to deal with his reluctance to do multiple takes. I'm pretty fussy with my melodies, and rarely will the first take be perfect. With that said, I'm hoping Kays finds someone great and cheaper, as I have more accordian needs in the future.

- Mike Greene

[Prosilicium]

Hi , I work with french accordeonist from 25 years , and my best way for playable french musette sound with GS3 is to mix PAOLO MUSETTE ( level 60 ) and Parrot ( level 80 ) with reverb and echo ( 2 nfx ).Parrot is equaliz with hight frequency cut and i obtain good left hand sound .I can mix again with little strings ensemble for ballroom ambiance.
This sound come from postaccordion V3 Giga format ( akai format have not same dynamic )

I not try other library :o .

[rici]

For the best samples accordions... There is nothing like that of vrsound... it sounds amazing..

www.vrsound.com is their site... there may be free samples there i suppose..


And it is worth buying it too...

Vipin

can't find any accordian.
best
michael

[Deak]

I am glad to see more interest in this thread. Thanks to you all. I purchased the Post Accordian Sample CD during the group buy. It was so inexpensive. I have not tried it out yet as there is no rush and I am in the middle of a serious hardware renewal (moving things around and upgrading). I am most interested in Latin style playing - Tejano, Colombian Vallenato, Cumbia, etc. I actually have seen these types of bands getting away with sampled accordian sounds now. So perhaps what I wish to do will pass.