Giga 3.10 Rocks!

[Existence]

Let me be the first to say it - the new 3.10 update rocks! This is deep man... The new keyboard shortcuts alone would be worth it.
Can't wait to play with the stacked instrument functionality.

Portamento Reshaping Filter (PRF)? Are you kidding me?

Thank you Tascam!

[JonFairhurst]

I installed it and checked it out. So far, everything is solid. The stacking features are really simple and easy to use. It has controller sensing, so it's really fast to program as well. Quick, simple and powerful. Nice...

-JF

[mbmb]

whoopy

its out !!

[sporter]

Where?? I didn't see it on the website??

[mbmb]

go the download section and have your "key number with you"
its about 25meg with a pdf file also

[sporter]

All I'm getting is the 3.04..are you in the USA?

Edit: I found it in users area...you have to log in...

[mbmb]

go here and click on downloads which will change to "giga news" in the middle of the page

http://www.tascamgiga.com/index.php

[cptexas]

Can I update streight from 3.0 to 3.1 or do I need to get 3.04 then 3.1?

Thanx,
-Chris

[belbin]

Can I update streight from 3.0 to 3.1 or do I need to get 3.04 then 3.1?

Thanx,
-Chris

I was able to go from 3.0 to 3.04, but I'm not sure that proves you can go 3.0-3.1. But it does prove that the most you need to install is 2 updates.

I'm ALL about these stacking features. Presets in the channels strip eq and dynamics are a great Idea to. I'll have to get bored with that stuff to get into the Imidi, but that all sounds great too!

Thanks, Tascam!!

Belbin

[Bruce A. Richardson]

I believe you can upgrade from ANY Giga 3 version to 3.1.

And keep looking. There are a crazy number of new features and enhancements, literally all over the app. It would be futile to even try listing them. This is a significant technology update, not just a bug fix. There are features in here which will have a very profound impact on solo and ensemble instruments that are near release.

[potatobug]

Still only allowing one(1) iMIDI Rule at a time. I wonder what happened with that :confused:

Still, a great update, so Thanks TASCAM!!!

[JBacal]

Can anyone explain the dynamic expression filter to me?


Best,
Jay

[belbin]

Can anyone explain the dynamic expression filter to me?


Best,
Jay

I'd have a look at the pdf on the update page. I doubt anyone here wants to tackle that one. I won't, cuz I can't.

Belbin

[mbmb]

Can anyone explain the dynamic expression filter to me?


Best,
Jay


page 27 of the pdf manual

[Bill]

Not only is this a nice upgrade, it’s nicely documented, which is always a nice treat.

[Existence]

This is a significant technology update, not just a bug fix. There are features in here which will have a very profound impact on solo and ensemble instruments that are near release.

This is what has me the most excited -- not just the promise of more features and improved stability, but a clear move to create the infrastructure for better playability of the samples themselves. This is the future!

Can't wait to see which developers capitalize on this first. Anyone want to place any bets?

[Abel]

One strange thing about stacked instruments.
I tried to transpose (remaping keys) one instrument of a stack up, and the other down, but editing "channel properties" of a specific instrument applies changes to the whole stack...
looks like channel prop. of a single instrument within a stack and channel properties of the stacked instrument call exactly the same window.

any thoughts??

[fizbin]

I believe you can upgrade from ANY Giga 3 version to 3.1.

And keep looking. There are a crazy number of new features and enhancements, literally all over the app. It would be futile to even try listing them. This is a significant technology update, not just a bug fix. There are features in here which will have a very profound impact on solo and ensemble instruments that are near release.

Unfortunately, I very well may be too busy moving in the near future to get to play around with it too much. Regarding this new legato/portamento thingy: what is it? Can any existing sus patches just tap into this or is it something that is difficult to program or does it require custom samples from the developer? I read a little bit of the pdf, but my wife is making me move more boxes...

fizbin

[Bruce A. Richardson]

It all has to be programmed. But the good news is that multiple libraries are getting the "treatment" as we speak, so there will be some good proof-of-concept instruments to emulate.

[fizbin]

It all has to be programmed. But the good news is that multiple libraries are getting the "treatment" as we speak, so there will be some good proof-of-concept instruments to emulate.

What kind of treatment? Can someone conceivably reprogram their own libraries if the developers are not doing so?

fizbin

[Gamera]

Any existing sample can use Legato Portamento. It has to be a 24-bit sample though to use PRF.

Load up a sample (like a synth to make it easy), go into the iMIDI Manager, activate a Mono Mode rule on that instrument, select Legato Portamento Mode, click on Use Custom Pitch Parameters and pick one of the synthesis files. Apply & Close.

- G

[fizbin]

Ah I see now. Portamento is very nice when you need it but limited in use compared to legato, which brings me to my next observation about the pdf -

----------------------------
The legato mode with connecting samples enables soundware developers and users to
create instruments with legato transitions without the need for interval specific sampling.

Requirements:
· 1 set of standard sustain samples (primary sustain)
· 1 set of standard release trigger samples (primary release)
· 1 set of 'connecting samples' (transitional sample)
a. Will require developer to sample an instrument performance of a 'legato
movement,' i.e.two notes performed in succession from which a sample of the transition can be extracted.
----------------------------

Notice the first and last statements above. I take this to mean that you do need a sample of a legato phrase, but not all the intervals for every note need to be sampled. It would use the same formant trick as the portament here then (?). The pdf is a little vague here. I guess you need to be a developer to get the real manual - or am I just being a bit thickheaded?

fizbin

[jc5]

These are all very positive developments.

One thing which has me puzzled though... does anyone know why the samples need to be 24 bit to be able to implement the portamento?

[Gamera]

I take this to mean that you do need a sample of a legato phrase, but not all the intervals for every note need to be sampled. It would use the same formant trick as the portament here then
Bingo! :D :cool:

[Gamera]

One thing which has me puzzled though... does anyone know why the samples need to be 24 bit to be able to implement the portamento?
They don't. They just have to be 24-bit to utilize the "phase corrected, 7th order, morphing filter". Whatever that is, it's over my head.
I messed around with portamento on some old 16-bit synth samples earlier today.

- G

[belbin]

I guess you need to be a developer to get the real manual -

fizbin


I'd say you hit the nail on the head there.

I also thought there was better documentation for GPulse coming with this. Even though the new "import wave" function is stupidly easy to use, I still can't get anyone to tell me what sound to use for my IR's, or any info on how to set it up? I BOUGHT GIGAPULSE PRO SO I COULD MAKE MY OWN!!!
I wonder if Developers are covering their asses with Tascam's help, to protect sales (as If making great ir's is that easy that I'll never need to buy....). I've posted and pm'd the people who'd know. I've waited patiently for this update, in hopes of better documentation. This is not not fair. There's no fine line between developer and user here. They can be one in the same, and I bought this software partly for the developer in me. When I'm working on music and need a sound, if I can't find it-I Make it.

Though there are a lot of great user improvements, I'd like to see some real explainations of the deveoper features. Why include something like GS Edit if you don't want your users to have flexibility and thorough creative control?

Belbin

ps-I included this rant in the Giga 3.10 Rocks thread because I think it does.
Don't think otherwise-just a little bugged.

[jgsirac]

They don't. They just have to be 24-bit to utilize the "phase corrected, 7th order, morphing filter". Whatever that is, it's over my head.
I messed around with portamento on some old 16-bit synth samples earlier today.

- G

Could it be some sort of "Sonic Morphing"-like thing, just as in new Stradivarius from Garritan ?

Meaning, being able to seamlessly crossfade samples (velocities, vibrato, no vibrato) without audible artifact due to phase aligned samples (harmonics)?

Maybe someone being part of testing team could confirm or deny that ?

Jean-Guy

[kitekrazy]

I'm hainvg trouble trying to download this with Getright.
It's asking me for a key and a key2. I entered the CD key and Registration Key and nothing happens.

I'm on dialup and will stay that way for quite some time.

[jc5]

They don't. They just have to be 24-bit to utilize the "phase corrected, 7th order, morphing filter". Whatever that is, it's over my head.
I messed around with portamento on some old 16-bit synth samples earlier today.

- G

Oh, I see... well sort of.. ;) heh

How did your portamento experiment go? Have you tried it on any string patches?

[Haydn]

Kitecrazy,

Don't feel bad. It doesn't even accept my CD key. I've about had it with GigaStudio.

[kitekrazy]

Kitecrazy,

Don't feel bad. It doesn't even accept my CD key. I've about had it with GigaStudio.

Same here. It's such a shame they can really screw up things like this.
I think in 5 years Gigastudio will be DEAD.

[Marcussen]

I doubt it... well - unless they havent got a 64 bit ready within a year. The samplers to loose that race, will loose the race period.

[Bill]

> entered the CD key and Registration Key and nothing happens.

You want to enter JUST the CD key. it has the form:

#### - ########

You'll find it on the "About" screen under help.

[kitekrazy]

Anyone able to download the update with a download manager?

[Gamera]

How did your portamento experiment go? Have you tried it on any string patches?
It sounded good with a synth. I haven't had time to try it on a 24-bit string sample yet.

- G

[meroveus]

Anyone able to download the update with a download manager?
It won't let you, so take a hint and don't try.
BTW, the patch is ~25MB so will probably take about 1.5 hours on dialup.
I was fortunate in being able to grab it before being shaped by my ISP. :)

[kitekrazy]

It won't let you, so take a hint and don't try.
BTW, the patch is ~25MB so will probably take about 1.5 hours on dialup.
I was fortunate in being able to grab it before being shaped by my ISP. :)

Yes, I wish they didn't do that....but why ruin the consistnecy of upsetting users.

I was lucky to get it before I was disconnected.

[Przemek K.]

Wow,I'm really surprised by this update. So many new features and adressed bugs.

Can't wait for the new Sonic Implants SISS with the new iMIDI rules. :)

[Abel]

Yeah, too bad they're still silent. No announcement so far...

[PeterMR]

Has anyone encountered this when trying to run 3.1: "Proceedural encrypt lstrep could not be located in the dynamic link library kernal32.dll"?

[fizbin]

Are you running Windows XP?

fizbin

[PeterMR]

Yes, XP Home.

(6/22 For whatever reason, putting the patch on a CD and running it off that solved the problem.)

[Jumbuk]

I'm hainvg trouble trying to download this with Getright.
It's asking me for a key and a key2. I entered the CD key and Registration Key and nothing happens.

I'm on dialup and will stay that way for quite some time.

Don't use a download manager. It won't work. Just download it direct through Windows. PS it is about 20 Mb.

[scf3]

I'm not certain of this but it seems that 3.10 is using more cpu power.
I haven't tested it thoroughly but a project which was playing fine in the
previous version is now spiking the cpu. Anyone notice this?

[esperlad]

I got the patch installed, and when I pull up any patches, the little plus sign does not show up. I have to load the entire file, and then remove the extra sub-patches or articulations that I don't want. Is there a way to get the plus to show up?

[Joseph Burrell]

Go to the Quicksound search options and make sure that *.gig is in the search field at all times. Having this field blank causes what you're seeing.

[Cody]

"I'm not certain of this but it seems that 3.10 is using more cpu power.
I haven't tested it thoroughly but a project which was playing fine in the
previous version is now spiking the cpu. Anyone notice this?"

I've noticed just the opposite. I've been able (in rewire mode) to run far more polyphony with lower latency settings. I'm lovin life!

[esperlad]

the *gig thing was always present. How else can I get the plus to appear before the instrument? The help files show screen captures with the pluses before the instruments. If I pull up the violin short notes, and just want the staccto I must load the entire file. I should be able to just pull up a staccto or whatever. How do I change this back to where it was?

[gugliel]

esperlad, that is a setting on the quicksound dialog box --- "recursive" I think it's called. click on the green quicksound gear symbol, then you'll see 'search mode', make sure recursive is checked. Should give you back the + sign.

[esperlad]

Nope. I did not work.

[gugliel]

esperlad, how about this: do you maybe have "show only instruments that match search" checked in the quicksound settings? That is another setting that makes the + go away. If so, uncheck it, then close the dialog, then type in (again) *.gig in the search box.

[esperlad]

Yep, that fixed it. Thanks. That was so strange. Why would the programmers put in a function that took the plus sign away?

OH well....now I just need to figure out how to stack instruments. It seems that has changed tool.