What's your favorite reverb patch

[audiomichael@mac.com]

I've found that a great reverb is essential to getting a great orchestra sounds.

I was using Logic's Space Designer with the PCM91 convolution of "Deep Blue" (pretty decent, but a little stiff. The real PCM is much more alive and 3D sounding).

I then started using the Powercore VSS3 verb "Large Clear Hall"

When I can, I use a Lexicon 300 "Large Hall".

Choirs seem to work well with convolution verbs (mainly churches)

I just picked up a TC Reverb 4000 based off of some pretty great reviews. I think it's gonna be great. The "Europe Orch Hall" and "Show Hall" both are pretty mind blowing right off the bat.

What do you use for your orchestra?

[Marcussen]

GigaPulse...

[Przemek K.]

Gigapulse too.

[Alexcremers]

I also use GigaPulse. I wish there were more hall impulses.



Hey Marcussen, how do you use the large Hall impulse in GigaPulse? Normally, the wet/dry mix of a send/return effect should be a 100% wet (otherwise you are returning some of the original signal). But the volume in this particular impulse is so humongous (36% instead of the usual 100%) that it almost scares me. The thing is, the parameters look weird. In order to get the three mic mixes at 100%, you have to slide the main wet/dry mix from 36% to 129.99%. Strange, isn't it? What's your take on this? Thanks.

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Alex Cremers

[Csaba Huszty]

We will have a lot of impulses in Holoacoustics Impulse Library for GigaPulse shortly from many prestigious halls. I really mean a lot.

[Marcussen]

Hi Alex... when I used the Large Hall impulse I simply set it to 100% and then panned (I know... not the way to do things). What annoyed me about the large impulse is that you hardly hear any difference between the various room placements.. or atleast I cant. The medium hall however you hear very clearly how each placement has a different sound and placement in the stero field. So what I do now is take the medium impulse and then add extra perspective.

But all that said and done I still havent completed experiementing with things. So I'm not sure what my final settings will be.

Regarding the volume, I never really solved it other than turning down the utput on gigastudio. Otherwise the instruments would clearly distort :(

[Alexcremers]

Yes, the Medium Hall. I think I better use that one too. I'm just not confident in using the Large Hall impulse over an aux send. However, it works great as an insert effect. Thanks, Marcussen.



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Alex Cremers

[Herman Witkam]

Gigapulse! The medium and small halls are my favorites.


We will have a lot of impulses in Holoacoustics Impulse Library for GigaPulse shortly from many prestigious halls. I really mean a lot.

Interesting! Could you lift the tip of the veil a bit? If the Amsterdam Concertgebouw is in it I'm definitely sold!

[belbin]

Csaba,

Welcome to NSS!
Just wanted to say that I think the NDB impulse is awesome! I am likely to buy any collection you issue, if it contains more large spaces like this one.

Belbin

[Marcussen]

Yes, the Medium Hall. I think I better use that one too. I'm just not confident in using the Large Hall impulse over an aux send. However, it works great as an insert effect. Thanks, Marcussen.



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Alex Cremers

Hi Alex... just curious. Why no Aux send? Whats the difference?

[Herman Witkam]

Hi Alex... just curious. Why no Aux send? Whats the difference?

It will decrease realism, as the sound is no longer only the convolution space but also the dry sound added to it.

[chriscaouette]

What do you use for your orchestra?

1.6s Grand Hall in Space designer. Beautiful sound!
Chris

[Alexcremers]

Hi Alex... just curious. Why no Aux send? Whats the difference?

I'm not sure, like I said, I'm just not that confident about the strange parameter readings. All the other impulses have nice logical maximum figures. Everything is set at 100% and that's what you need if you want to use it as a send. The Large Hall impulse plays the game differently.

Large Hall readings:

MIC MASTERS
wet/dry mix: 36.664

FRONT MIC GROUP
wet/dry mix: 6.665
wet/dry mix: 6.665
wet/dry mix: 6.665


In order to use it as a send, you have to set the values of the FRONT MIC GROUP to 100%. To achieve this, you have to set the MIC MASTERS to 129.99%.

:confused:

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Alex Cremers

[Marcussen]

It will decrease realism, as the sound is no longer only the convolution space but also the dry sound added to it.

ok I see.. so instead of adding the impulses I need to the Aux channels and then distributing them, I should instead to the same thing but as inserts?

[Herman Witkam]

ok I see.. so instead of adding the impulses I need to the Aux channels and then distributing them, I should instead to the same thing but as inserts?

If you're using individual impulse responses with different settings on multiple instruments you could use inserts, but if you're using only one impulse response on all (or on an instrument group) you can use subgroups. The DSP channels can be assigned to the group outputs and Gigapulse can then be added as an insert on those.

[Marcussen]

Well.. what I do is have one setting for violins, and say another for horns... how would I then go about it the best way?

[IOComposer]

I have a question for you experienced Gigapulse users if I may. I've just ordered my GS3 upgrade so I don't have it to experiment with yet but I have some questions running around in my mind as to how I'm going to integrate it into my studio.

Currently, I mix on a Mac, using Altiverb in Digital Performer/DAE/ProtoolsHD. I basically set up 3 instances of Altiverb (close, medium, and far mic placements) and then tweak the sends of each section to approximate distance.

With GigaPulse, I'm planning to send my sections to my GS3 PC via aux sends for passing through GigaPulse and using my GS3 PC as an external reverb box of sorts. Of course, I'll be using my samples directly in GS3 and will pass them through GigaPulse internally, but my live instrumentation will be coming in through the GS3 PC's audiocard from my Mac (I record my WW and Brass live instead of using samples).

So, my question is this: Do I only need to have one instance of GigaPulse running for this or would I set up a bussing system with multiple instances of it? I'm sure GigaPulse is a huge resource hog so I'm sure that I won't be able to instance one per instrument, even with a superfast PC. Maybe I could run one instance per section? Or do I simply have one instance and route everything to that via aux busses? I'm not quite understanding how it all works.

Any explaination and suggestion of ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jamey

[audiomichael@mac.com]

are most of you using software based verbs?

[KC]

Welcome to the forum Michael!

Personally, I use the Lexicon PCM91. I've found the software verbs to be adequate for most applications, particularly drums and percussion, however as far as the orchestra goes, nothing quite brings the ultimately lifeless samples to life like an outboard reverb.

I'm sure you'll experience excellent results with the T.C. Electronic M4000.

Best,

Kaveh

[JonFairhurst]

I'm also a fan of the GigaPulse Medium Hall. It's like Baby Bear's porridge - not too wet or dry - just right.

The NDB Cathedral impulse sounds very cool for organ an voices. It's not a sound you would want all the time, but when you want a cathedral, it's awesome.

-JF

[jc5]

We will have a lot of impulses in Holoacoustics Impulse Library for GigaPulse shortly from many prestigious halls. I really mean a lot.

This is an interesting announcement. :)

[robgb]

I use Acoustic Mirror with the Pure Space impulses.

[midphase]

1.6s Grand Hall in Space designer. Beautiful sound!

I actually find the 2.1s a bit better for orchestral stuff. The Vintage Opera Hall is also quite good.

I would be really interested if someone who has all of the IR reverbs out there. Like the piano shootout, except with IR convolution reverbs. I would love to actually hear the difference between Altiverb, Space Designer, Gigapulse, Waves IR and some of the other plugs out there.

[Bruce A. Richardson]

Waves IR and GigaPulse are both really sweet. Different animals, but the sound of each is top shelf. The Waves IR has a huge library online.

Csaba's new library should be dynamite if their work with the Notre Dame de Budapest organs is any indication. That is an amazing library.

I certainly look forward to hearing what they've done for GigaPulse.

[audiomichael@mac.com]

Welcome to the forum Michael!

Personally, I use the Lexicon PCM91. I've found the software verbs to be adequate for most applications, particularly drums and percussion, however as far as the orchestra goes, nothing quite brings the ultimately lifeless samples to life like an outboard reverb.

I'm sure you'll experience excellent results with the T.C. Electronic M4000.

Best,

Kaveh

whatup you big pimp

[audiomichael@mac.com]

Is GigaPulse something that comes with Gigastudio?

[DPDAN]

Is GigaPulse something that comes with Gigastudio?

yes,

IOComposer, glad to see another DP user here :)

I too use DP for midi sequencing and all audio mixing, while the PC is dedicated to Giga and sample libraries. I think my setup is very similar to yours. I use an RME HDSP 9652 soundcard in the PC, and a MOTU 828 MK2 audio interface for the Mac. I send midi from DP to the PC, and the audio streams from the RME ADAT lightpipe outputs of the PC into the MOTU 828.

Sometimes depending on the piece, I use Gigapulse.
You might be happier with Altiverb though I think, it's a bit of a toss up. Altiverb's IR selection is superior, and as long as you are familiar with Altiverbs IR's, having more choices makes it quicker to use, but not if you have to audition them all. :)

I use only one Aux send on each of the audio tracks. (let's say bus 1-2 is used for these aux sends. Now, I setup a stereo AUX Track and set it's input to bus 1-2. The output (reverb send) of this Aux track would be set to ADAT 1-2. Then I send this audio via lightpipe to the RME card (PC) for G-Pulse. G-Pulse is sent out via another ADAT stereo pair from the RME card (PC), and is assigned to yet another stereo Aux Track (reverb return) in DP.

Of course you will ALWAYS want the dry/wet setting in G-Pulse to be set to 100% wet.

I render all samples to audio tracks, and then I mix. This is just how I like to do it. This also allows me to open a new project/file in GIGA after the tracks in DP have been rendered, this way, GIGA is not responsible for any sample playing. Now the entire PC's CPU can be dedicated to processing G-Pulse. Depending on settings, G-Pulse can be a CPU hog like any other good IR reverb. After the piece is mixed, I record the G-Pulse reverb to a stereo audio track for archival purposes. It's always nice to have a printed reverb track for years later when "that" reverb is long gone.

As far as using multiple instances of G-Pulse to create that near/far effect, I personally don't think it is necessary to create a very realistic reverb environment. G-Pulse has a widget (fader) for "perspective" which is a great thing to adjust in any of the impulse responses. If you did want to use multiple impulse responses, (strings) (woods) (Brass) you would need to simply add more aux sends and returns in DP to accomodate the additional G-Pulse IR's

I hope this at least partially answers your question about using
G-Pulse with DP.

dpDan

[IOComposer]

Thanks Dan!
Some great info there. I'll check back in once I've got my new PC and GS3 setup.
Cheers,
Jamey

[DPDAN]

Hi Jamey,
you may want to re-read that post I have been editing it to make more sense and be accurate, enjoy!
dpDan

[KC]

whatup you big pimp

LOL! Chillin' Mikey...

[Csaba Huszty]

Hi!

Thanks for all the kind words.

I wish I could tell you more, I truly wish, but at the moment, I can only tell you that among others, there will be quite a few cathedrals (from small to huge) in the impulse library, and most likely there will be a bundle with NDB Pipe Organ Samples as well, or something even more. Anyway, I am quite confident that everyone will love the terms.

The other thing that I would like to share is that there is a contest announced on the preliminary website of the library where we seek for dry recordings of almost any type to demonstrate the capabilities of the library. We are waiting for you to join.

I would love to hear any of your comments and thoughts.
Csaba