How to Ignore Posts that are Offensive.... [Archive]

Garritan

09-01-2005, 02:18 PM

Did you know that you can make certain people posts invisible so that you won't be able to see any of their posts?.

Do you remember the Twilight Zone episode (and a Simpsons parody) where a young boy made people disappear at will? They were wisked to the imaginary cornfield. Ok, maybe not...but you can effectively do this in this in this forum. You can ignore any person's post and wisk all their posts into the cyber-cornfield and you won't see any of their person's posts.

We have done our best to make the forum a special place. Not the usual negative or bantering place one often finds on the net, but a place that is uplifting and encouraging. A place where people visit and leave with something positive and feeling better. It has taken a great deal of effort on everyone's part to cultivate this forum into a place that is uplifting, encouraging and supportative to all members. Users have come to value this place and great deal of good will has developed.

We have been receiving many complaints in recent times where people have been offended by certain posts that have been argumentative and insulting. This community is too important, we have been through a lot together and we'll also get through this together.

There is something you can also do as well:

You can make anyone's post invisible by adding them to your ignore list. By taking a few certain steps, any posts by an individual will not be seen whatsoever. They will cease to exist in your world.

To do this:

Go into your profile
Under miscellaneous, go to Buddy/Ignore list
Under the Ignore list, type the offensive persons' user name.
Then press Update Igore list.
Once this is done, anything from that person will not be seen by you again. They will be wisked into the cornfield as far as you are concerned and you'll never see another post by that person again.

I hope this helps.

Gary Garritan

Aziraphal

09-01-2005, 02:23 PM

Did you know that you can make certain people posts invisible so that you won't be able to see any of their posts?.

But they won't be invisible to newcomers - potential recruits of the Garritan's Garrison...
regards Matt

Hardy Heern

09-01-2005, 02:55 PM

thesoundsmith

09-01-2005, 03:02 PM

If you remember to go through the process of blocking that poster, this is a good technique, but sometimes the poster may have something of value beside just the negative BS. Ostracize those persons who play this game, siply refuse to acknowledge any of their posts (if someone else got caught in the negative trap, you'd still be reading their responses to the new poster, but if we all agree to just pretend he/she is invisible, it could be quite effective, IMHO. Ths IS a place for friendly discussion - it may get heated at times, we are musicians and should therefore be passionate about our music, but personal attacks should immediately met with ostracism by ALL other members.

What do you think?

Styxx

09-01-2005, 03:05 PM

Wha? I don't see anything! What are you guys talking about? Hey, how come there's no one here? Ahhhhhh :D
I think what Gary is saying is we have a choice whether to continue being annoyed or block the annoyance during your visits.

Garritan

09-01-2005, 03:06 PM

Has anyone seen Styxx around lately??????http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Styxx

09-01-2005, 03:12 PM

Has anyone seen Styxx around lately??????http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
A hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You sign of a, you crack me up! :D

I don't suppose anyone saw that?

joaz

09-01-2005, 03:16 PM

I am beginning to quite like it in this cornfield.I just bumped into Kevin Costner,who was asking... "Are we in Heaven"?..... :)
regards

Tony Monaghan

09-01-2005, 03:17 PM

...quiet thread

Styxx

09-01-2005, 03:27 PM

Gary, I took your advice and now I don't see anyone. :D

SeanHannifin

09-01-2005, 03:35 PM

I remember a Twilight Zone episode like that . . . you better not make that kid mad!!

http://www.tzworld.com/itsagoodlife20.JPGhttp://www.tzworld.com/itsagoodlife21.JPGhttp://www.tzworld.com/itsagoodlife19.JPG

http://www.tzworld.com/itsagoodlife31.JPGhttp://www.tzworld.com/itsagoodlife30.JPGhttp://www.tzworld.com/itsagoodlife29.JPG

http://www.tzworld.com/itsagoodlife22.JPG

"You're a very bad man!"

And it was that guy's birthday too http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif

Drumroll

09-01-2005, 03:41 PM

But they won't be invisible to newcomers - potential recruits of the Garritan's Garrison...
regards Matt
Please excuse my lack of technical terms, but maybe this thread could remain perched at the top like the other stickies that remain at the top of the forum when you open it? Then even the newcomers will have a solution to pollution!

Garritan

09-01-2005, 03:42 PM

That Jack-in-the-box guy looks familiar. Didn't he used to hang around this forum and then just disappeared? http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

SeanHannifin

09-01-2005, 03:44 PM

That Jack-in-the-box guy looks familiar. Didn't he used to hang around this forum and then just disappeared? http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Yes . . . but he was thinking bad thoughts about me . . . I had to do it . . . :D

Ray Lindsley

09-01-2005, 03:47 PM

That's the kid (Bill Mumy?) that was on Lost in Space if I'm not mistaken. Speaking of lost in space, where's Styxx?:p

cptexas

09-01-2005, 03:48 PM

Say...can you ignore yourself?

Let me try.

Ahhhh!!!!! I'm blind!!!! It's the wrath of the attack forum!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!! :eek:

:D

newmewzikboy

09-01-2005, 03:51 PM

Wow. I cant see myself anymore?

Drumroll

09-01-2005, 03:52 PM

That's the kid (Bill Mumy?) that was on Lost in Space if I'm not mistaken. Speaking of lost in space, where's Styxx?:p
Ward Cleaver looks very astute in his dunce cap...

Brian2112

09-01-2005, 03:56 PM

I would also suggest:

Not posting political views (there is an OT section in this forum for which this is better suited)

Not posting religious beliefs or judgments (again there is OT, but even there would be dubious)

Also, I want to touch on something that is a bit sensitive, but I think needs to be addressed. There are many people from around the world who dwell here (which is part of the reason this is such a great place!). For those of us for whom English is our native language, we must remember that some people are trying their best to communicate in a language that is not their primary method of speech. Sometimes, (and completely unintentionally), English can sometimes sound more harsh and critical when spoken by someone who has not grown up in an environment in which English is the primary language. Too add to this, people can become very offended if it is implied that their English is poor after working very hard to become fluent (after all, how many Americans speak Portuguese?:D ). There have been many instances I have noticed in which people blew up at each other because of a misunderstanding (when I happened to know that one or the other was not from an English speaking country). I would ask that those of us who speak primarily English to keep this in mind:) .

There are also cultural differences to be aware of. But that is what makes us all unique! It is very easy to post something (quit by accident) that can be offensive to someone. Simple care and thought should be taken before posting.

And remember:

One who can speak three languages is tri-lingual
One who can speak two languages is bi-lingual
One who can only speak only one language is…..an AMERICAN!
Ok…Just kidding!

Best Wishes to all!

…2112:)

P.S. Anyone seen Styxx?;) :D

SeanHannifin

09-01-2005, 03:59 PM

Ward Cleaver looks very astute in his dunce cap...
After research on imdb.com (great place to pass the time :D ) I can confirm the kid is the Lost in Space kid, but Ward Cleaver is some other guy. And the woman who played the kid's mother, though not recognizable in the pictures, was Frau Blücher :D

SeanHannifin

09-01-2005, 04:01 PM

Not posting political views (there is an OT section in this forum for which this is better suited)

Not posting religious beliefs or judgments (again there is OT, but even there would be dubious)
Yep! :) I agree.

Drumroll

09-01-2005, 04:02 PM

After research on imdb.com (great place to pass the time :D ) I can confirm the kid is the Lost in Space kid, but Ward Cleaver is some other guy. And the woman who played the kid's mother, though not recognizable in the pictures, was Frau Blücher :D

That's not Hugh Beaumont? I certainly need glasses. He looks so similar to me.

mixolydian

09-01-2005, 04:03 PM

Wha? I don't see anything! What are you guys talking about? Hey, how come there's no one here? Ahhhhhh :D

Has anyone seen Styxx around lately??????http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

:D

:eek: :eek: Nobody seing me...! That's a horrible vision...!! :eek:

Brian2112

09-01-2005, 04:06 PM

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Yep! :) I agree.
You do? But you are a Catholic Republican! You can't agree with me!:eek: :D

...2112:D
P.S. Sorry, couldn't help myself...;) :D

chmara

09-01-2005, 04:08 PM

Drumroll

09-01-2005, 04:08 PM

You do? But you are a Catholic Republican! You can't agree with me!:eek: :D

...2112:D
P.S. Sorry, couldn't stop myself...;) :D

"Hey! I thought there was supposed to be no name calling" the rightwinged liberal yelled from the crowd!

chmara

09-01-2005, 04:12 PM

To often people who disagree are disagreable. And I am prejudiced against people who are prejudiced and disagree with me. So there --- rzzzzzp.

Brian2112

09-01-2005, 04:16 PM

To often people who disagree are disagreable. And I am prejudiced against people who are prejudiced and disagree with me. So there --- rzzzzzp.
I'm sorry, I must disagree.:p :D

Tony Monaghan

09-01-2005, 04:20 PM

There are also cultural differences to be aware of. But that is what makes us all unique! It is very easy to post something (quit by accident) that can be offensive to someone. Simple care and thought should be taken before posting.

Is minic a bhris béal duine a shrón :)

SeanHannifin

09-01-2005, 04:24 PM

You do? But you are a Catholic Republican! You can't agree with me!http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

...2112http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
P.S. Sorry, couldn't help myself...http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Oh, oops, I thought you were too. Nevermind. You're wrong. http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Hardy Heern

09-01-2005, 04:26 PM

Gary, why not just be straightforward and contact the perpetrators directly? Surely that is the sensible thing to do? Out of interest, how many posters are guilty of this offensive posting and how frequently do they actually post?

Frank

Seriously Gary, I would like an answer to this. I am conscious of the fact that, for example, some may not like the straightforward and honest approach of my posts. However, I find it extremely annoying and offensive too, that various people may not see my posts. I spend a lot of time (too much) posting and if they are not even available to be read I REALLY want to know. You have access to various forum functions, which aren't available to the rest of us. Please contact me if this is the case!

In nearly 2000 posts I have had only one PM from an individual, who still posts regularly, who bad mouthed another poster and I would have none of it. I have never PM'd anyone in this way. I have never PM'd Gary or any other moderator to complain about another poster or anything else for that matter.....and I've taken some flack too AND been irritated by the posts of others.....you've just got to be adult and show some tolerance.

I do find it, embarrassingly, pathetic that some folk would actually go to the bother of doing this.....running to teacher. Why not stand up and be counted in the thread posts? Why not PM the perpetrators directly and voice their greivances? Are these people mice or men ?

Frank

Drumroll

09-01-2005, 04:28 PM

Is minic a bhris béal duine a shrón :)
That's great! I had to look that up! The line I like is from "The Wizard of Oz"
Dorothy says to the Scarecrow, "Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking."

Drumroll

09-01-2005, 04:31 PM

That's great! I had to look that up! The line I like is from "The Wizard of Oz"
Dorothy says to the Scarecrow, "Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking."

I definitely fall into that category...mea culpa, mea culpa
OK - I'll shutup now...

Tony Monaghan

09-01-2005, 04:34 PM

That's great! I had to look that up! The line I like is from "The Wizard of Oz"
Dorothy says to the Scarecrow, "Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking."

An old Irish saying

Is minic a bhris béal duine a shrón

Many a time a man's mouth broke his nose :)

Garritan

09-01-2005, 04:39 PM

I have mixed emotions as I read the initial post in this thread. Since I have taken over at AudioBlog (audiogroupltd.com) as editor -- I have been using the Garritan Forums as a paradigm for where I want the blog and forums to go.

I had hoped I had found forums here that were actually setting the tone by example of the senior members. I have seen some postings knocked out as inappropriate and figure that some new posters need to learn ettiquette....civility and politeness. I am sure it has been a chore for the moderators to do this --

But in this message thread I see as a warning to me to expect a full frontal attack on my new endeavor by the demons of disquiet, discourtesy and bad manners.
chmara,

It makes me glad our forum serve as a paradigm for AudioBlog. That's the highest order compliment. I hope it continues to serve as a model and a place where people enjoy visiting.

This is an issue that comes to the surface now and then and we'll get through it together. It has happened before. Consider it a burp in the digestion of forum life. http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

If I gave the impression of there being "a full frontal attack on my new endeavor by the demons of disquiet, discourtesy and bad manners" - that is not necessarily the case. And that will not happen here.

Some people have take great offense to certain posts and to avoid being drawn into a no win situation, it may be helpful for some to simply avoid an offending poster. There are some who thrive on controversy and argument and may want to elicit a response. If people ignore them and do not respond, they will not be fed.
Sean recently reminded me of a post from a while ago:
It reminds me of a story of a grandfather telling his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people - a battle between two trolls....

One is evil. It is angry, envious, , regretful, greedy, annoying, full of self-pity & resentment, egostisical, lies and is prideful.

The other is good. It is full of joy, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, and compassion

A young boy thought about this for a moment, and then asked his
grandfather "which one wins?"

The grandfather simply replied: "Whichever one you feed."

One part of a solution is simply the art of non-resistence. If a person is invisible and ignored, there is not one to engage or react to. We will also take quick and decisive action on our part in order to protect what we have cultivated. And we will endeavor to continue to set the tone by example.

Gary Garritan

M.A.S>

09-01-2005, 04:43 PM

I'll be the first one to admit if I'm wrong.

In fact I'll be sure to alert the media in the unlikely event that should ever happen!http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Fabio

09-01-2005, 04:58 PM

It exist somebody that has the vocation to be a judge, and like to say what is right and what is wrong. And it exist who is offended, and directly react to the offense. It exist some blessed and patient soul that "doesn't feed the trolls".
It exist the troll.

We have moderators. We have powerful software. You may quit the forum, or you may ignore the thread. Now Gary remember that we may even "automatically" ignore people as we may be automatically advised of interesting thread news.

We may post private messages as we may post pubblic "J'accuse!"

IT'S WONDERFUL! IT'S A SAFER PLACE THAN THE REAL WORLD.

WE ARE FREQUENTLY BETTER THAN USUAL, HERE.

I DON'T NEED NOTHING MORE.

newmewzikboy

09-01-2005, 05:13 PM

I would also suggest:

Not posting political views (there is an OT section in this forum for which this is better suited)

Not posting religious beliefs or judgments (again there is OT, but even there would be dubious)

Abstract art is both a political and a religious belief

If we do open up threads like this I would like more close moderation so when we do go over the line someone is there to bring it in.

Else, lets move these threads to OT

Garritan

09-01-2005, 05:26 PM

The again, if some want to fight they can all don Sumo Suits (http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/search.do;jsessionid=8771E5EDA7EF1FA6AEA99959E1C83 E33?productCode=SUMSUI) and get into the ring http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/images/product/sumsui/sumsui_lg.jpg

Stephanie Pray

09-01-2005, 05:29 PM

:n: I want a Sumo Suit!!! That looks very fun!!! :n:

Styxx

09-01-2005, 05:30 PM

newmewzikboy

09-01-2005, 05:32 PM

Hmm...That looks like me. I dont need a sumo suit

Fabio

09-01-2005, 05:36 PM

Abstract art is both a political and a religious belief

If we do open up threads like this I would like more close moderation so when we do go over the line someone is there to bring it in.

Else, lets move these threads to OT

Nice point. I had the suspect that art is as a sensible point as religion and politics for you!

But, think to a totally censored world...it is so wrong as a totally free world.

We can't be everytime politically correct or we became boring and steril. But if you start free attacking the rest of the world, even if with humanitary or peaceful visions, you will be offending a lot of people. The flame is easy. the discussion became a fighting. How do you think to keep enjoyable the thread? (if you are not a wrestling lover...;-)) Oh No, I did it again...now somebody that loves wrestling got offended...
:D

What's your vision about the "red line" to respect then? I'm interested in your opinion.

Fabio

09-01-2005, 05:40 PM

Hmm...That looks like me. I dont need a sumo suit

Another thing we have in a common way... :D :p :o

atonal

09-01-2005, 05:54 PM

[QUOTE=Brian2112]
And remember:

One who can speak three languages is tri-lingual
One who can speak two languages is bi-lingual
One who can only speak only one language is…..an AMERICAN!
Ok…Just kidding!

You obviously meant only one language at a time ... sure you did.

-- atonal

newmewzikboy

09-01-2005, 06:00 PM

Me? Red line?

Hmmm...Calling someone a direct bad name (which once I let slip out to my embarassment).

However, I dont find offense in clown college. I like clowns. Why do people hate clowns? Some of my best friends are clowns. I believe people have a disrepectful view and a discriminatory about clowns and I stand up for that. Clowns are people too! Did you know that it's harder to get into clown college at Ringlings than Harvard? Not kidding.

So, red lines are difficult in the passion of the moment...and its difficult VERY to define TONE.

Hence, I am laying low on subjective threads until there is a moderator who can act as a organizer, or we move threads to OT where they can sumo w/o affecting GG forum.

joaz

09-01-2005, 06:14 PM

Why do people hate clowns?
I don't hate clowns,but I am scared of them.I am frightened that they will cycle over to my seat,and then their bicycle will fall to pieces,and then they will get angry,and throw a bucket of water over me,but there won't be any water in the bucket after all,and then everyone will laugh and point at me,and then I will feel stupid.
I think it is for reasons like this,that an invitation to apply for Clown School,is rarely taken as a compliment.
regards

newmewzikboy

09-01-2005, 06:24 PM

Well I had a very nice clown experiences when I was a yougsta

Clown came up to me and gave me a metal box in front of everyone. I opened it up and wow! Sweeets!

I guess clowns and I get along, although for some other people who got the same box before me - an ugly snake jumped out when they opened it.

They should be nicer to clowns.

SeanHannifin

09-01-2005, 07:03 PM

One who can only speak only one language is…..an AMERICAN!
Ok…Just kidding!
I can speak American and English! ;)

cptexas

09-01-2005, 07:16 PM

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I can speak American and English! ;)
VERY GOOD, Sean!!! :D

joaz

09-01-2005, 07:45 PM

I had the suspect that art is as a sensible point as religion and politics for you!

Fabio,you could be describing me. :)
I have no religious faith, and no Political allegiance. I just have music. Some may find that statement bizzare, and I would not blame them. Music has come to mean everything in my life. I can truly say it is my life. Sometimes this leads me to say very strong things,that I regret.(For example against Serialism. :o )
I have no problem with timely reminders,from the moderators, to tone it down.
Some have made veiled comments, about other people,"Enabling",and "Encouraging",insulting behaviour.For the sake of peace, I do not want to be more specific. I hope I do not encourage insulting behaviour, I also hope that if my "religious" fervour, has caused any offense, that those offended, will accept my humble apology.
regards

newmewzikboy

09-01-2005, 07:54 PM

Some have made veiled comments, about other people,"Enabling",and "Encouraging",insulting behaviour.For the sake of peace, I do not want to be more specific. I hope I do not encourage insulting behaviour, I also hope that if my "religious" fervour, has caused any offense, that those offended, will accept my humble apology.
regards

Amen brother same here

Ray Lindsley

09-02-2005, 07:54 AM

After research on imdb.com (great place to pass the time :D ) I can confirm the kid is the Lost in Space kid, but Ward Cleaver is some other guy. And the woman who played the kid's mother, though not recognizable in the pictures, was Frau Blücher :D
Thanks Sean. I love imdb.com anybody who is in to movies (old or new or, in my case, both) should check it out.

Ray Lindsley

09-02-2005, 08:37 AM

I think Gary is trying to address some concerns here in a manner that is not too heavy handed. Let's all try to put ourselves in his shoes for a minute because he really is in a no-win situation- do nothing and people will accuse him of not being in control, if he takes extreme measures, he will be accused of being despotic and interfering with free speech. He is just suggesting a way that people can avoid being offended.

I for one do not want to see anyone banned unless they really go off the deep end and I don't see that happening right now. I have very openly criticized NMB for the way he has responded to people, but I don't want him banned. My responses were designed to try to stop the insults but not the conversation (come on, NMB, you don't think we believe that you didn't intend the clown college remark as an insult- do you think we're idiots?:rolleyes: Wait a minute- don't answer that!:D). But I don't dislike NMB and if I met him in person, I would probably buy him a beer and have a chat.

I recently watched a DVD about Greenwich Village in the 50s when it was the center for bohemian artist types. They talked about how they would sit in bars and talk about art and poetry and books, and how they would always end up in pretty heated arguments, but nobody ended up hating each other. I think creative and passionate people get like that. I can remember when I was very involved in a theater group, we would always go to a bar after rehearsals and performances and engage in just this kind of activity. I miss those days.

Having said that, I still think that we need to be able to disagree without being, well just plain mean. NMB, you need to have some self discipline and not put the burden on the moderators to keep you, or anybody else, in line. You need to take responsibility for your own actions and think a minute before hitting the Submit Reply button. To be fair, NMB is not the only one and I need to follow my own advice.

Peace:|:

joaz

09-02-2005, 10:02 AM

I recently watched a DVD about Greenwich Village in the 50s when it was the center for bohemian artist types. They talked about how they would sit in bars and talk about art and poetry and books, and how they would always end up in pretty heated arguments, but nobody ended up hating each other.
Peace:|:
I blame myself for our bohemian bar discussion, going of the deep-end. If only I hadn't ordered,those Absinthe/tequilla/lysergic cocktails. I am on strictly Mineral water, now, till I have finished a suitable period of penitence. :)
Clutches head moaning "never again,never again......."
regards

Ray Lindsley

09-02-2005, 11:12 AM

I blame myself for our bohemian bar discussion, going of the deep-end. If only I hadn't ordered,those Absinthe/tequilla/lysergic cocktails. I am on strictly Mineral water, now, till I have finished a suitable period of penitence. :)
Clutches head moaning "never again,never again......."
regards

Plenty of blame to go around (including me). It's Friday, have one on me.

southportJim

09-02-2005, 11:23 AM

Plenty of blame to go around (including me). It's Friday, have one on me.

Yes, looking back at the posts now I see there is more than enough for all of us...mea culpa, mea culpa.

So if Joaz is now on mineral water, pass that Absinthe/tequilla/lysergic cocktail this direction!

;-)

newmewzikboy

09-02-2005, 12:10 PM

Well, perhaps we need a Bohemian Tea and Chess Club sub forum, or Clown College Room? Else we all need to move into the same apartment building.

Every formal debate has a moderator.

The Bohemian reference, I'm sorry to say, is proof that these things will tend to get out of hand with enuf Bohemians in the rooms - w/ or w/o NMB <==.

dynamix

09-02-2005, 01:03 PM

First of all, I'd like to acknowledge Gary's solution. His response seems to be as well thought out and intelligent as the products he's providing, which have brought us to this forum in the first place. I don't know where he finds the time or patience...

The auto-ignore function does seem to strike a very nice balance.

Still,

I think all you would be auto-ignorers are missing out on an opportunity. Especially if you want to work in the entertainment industry.

To learn how to be with someone like NMB is a valuable (though admittedly, potentially painful) lesson.

I think I've learned a few things from him already.

I've learned how not to treat other people when involved in debate over various topics, thats FOR SURE.

But I've also learned how easy it is to have "my chain yanked."

He's reminded me that maybe I take MYSELF and my ideas, a little too seriously.

When you react to an antagonist, the reaction still comes from within. So it might be helpful to ask yourself, why am I reacting so easily? I mean, this guy could really be just a monkey typing on a keyboard after hours at a zoo somewhere. You'd feel pretty silly if it were really just a monkey driving you crazy, right???

He's led me to think quite a bit about speaking in a forum like this.

He led me to think that I'd rather not say something unless I was willing to put my face on it. And so, I've posted my picture.

What's the point of being the bold one if you're hiding out?

At last, here's the most important thing.

He's got me thinking about the entertainment world. A world that we all dream to be a part of musically, yet also a world that is filled with the worst of human nature. I guarantee, that if you enter this world, sooner or later you will find yourself working in the presence of, possibly answering to, a personality that you'll find almost impossible to interact with. Working on the technological side of television, I've seen behavior from directors and producers that would make a shrinking violet vaporize as if exposed to the hiroshima bomb. You'll wish you had an auto-ignore function! The challenge for you will be to figure out how to work with these people without descending to their level of behavior and without making yourself upset...

NMBs behavior seems nowhere near as bad as that of some of these lauded professionals in the entertainment industry.

True, this forum isn't the kind of place for this kind of behavior.

Yes, you can choose to auto-ignore this monkey...

But why not take advantage of his challenging nature?

In the end, you'll be a better person for it.

PS
And you'll always have that auto-ignore function available, for those days when you're just not in the mood.

newmewzikboy

09-02-2005, 01:16 PM

Tony Monaghan

09-02-2005, 01:51 PM

OK, I own up - NMB is really a WindUpBot developed to test the reaction of forum users.

It runs completey autonomously and can pseudo reply to any subject in any language (in depth and at length).

Currently in beta testing, when finally developed it will be unleashed on the wider forum using community and would be Open Source except that you will have to pay to have it removed.

The complete source in C-- is avalable on request. :)

newmewzikboy

09-02-2005, 01:54 PM

Feed the bot feed the bot! NMB want Clown candy now!
:)

Tony Monaghan

09-02-2005, 02:31 PM

Feed the bot feed the bot! NMB want Clown candy now!
:)

Yep, definitley a beta version. Must tweak this code some more... :)

Fabio

09-02-2005, 02:31 PM

I LOVE YOU ALL!!!

It's so good to be here with you! Such a lesson! What a Humanity variety!

I'm crazy? I'm candy sweet? I'm banal and populist? Or I'm sarcastic and joking?

Not at all, I'm serious. In the middle of a lot of strange and challenging opinions, a common share of wisdom is the summary of most trubled thread.:eek:

We learn everytime something, but what is probably most interesting, we exercise finding the best inside our personality. It's a kind of group auto-analysis? A sort of, probably...:D

It's the wizardy of the diary (we find our ideas, and we celebrate our-self) but in an interactive world. Funny...

Peace. ;)

newmewzikboy

09-02-2005, 02:33 PM

wow! Fabio is good! Poet! I propose we elect Fabio the subect moderator of this thread.

dynamix

09-02-2005, 03:52 PM

Fabio, molto bene!

Erik

Brian2112

09-02-2005, 04:19 PM

A NMB idea just came to me:

An elected 'subject' moderator

On the start of a subjective, possibly passionate topic, let's keep in mind and elect someone from the group of contributers to act as a 'subject' moderator to keep the debate focused and the responses aligned. This is someone different from the forum moderator or administrator, or the original topic poster who may not be around or not necessarily someone who wants to act in this capacity.

Here’s another idea::)

Everyone just try and have fun, interact respectfully, and be conscious of the fact that someone may take offence at what you post. No one is talking about censorship. It is possible to say what you want to say in a manner that does not require supervision. The vast majority of posters are responsible in this regard and do not require “policing”. More moderators is not the answer – individual responsibility must kick in at some point.

…2112:o

newmewzikboy

09-02-2005, 04:38 PM

Here’s another idea::)

Everyone just try and have fun, interact respectfully, and be conscious of the fact that someone may take offence at what you post. No one is talking about censorship. It is possible to say what you want to say in a manner that does not require supervision. The vast majority of posters are responsible in this regard and do not require “policing”. More moderators is not the answer – individual responsibility must kick in at some point.
…2112:o

A bit too idealistic I am afraid. That's an issue.

newmewzikboy

09-02-2005, 04:39 PM

My issue is with Fabio....
Frank

Holy moly...what have I stirred up?

Fabio

09-02-2005, 05:12 PM

I forget: you still may include me in "ignore" list, and open a pool to ban me or suggest people to do the same! ;)

Garritan

09-02-2005, 05:22 PM

Hardy, take up your grievances against other members in private.

Karl Garrett

09-02-2005, 06:36 PM

A bit too idealistic I am afraid. That's an issue.It‘s amazing how this forum has wallowed in a state of joyful idealism now for quite a long time… at least as long as the 21 months of which I know. :) it has been a place to come to meet friends, share ideas and music, and to learn from each other. People have donated much time and talent to make it, in my opinion, the best place to hang on the web. I honestly hope that it can maintain this character for many years to come. And as it grows in membership, the new members will realize how special this forum is, and will do there best to keep it that way.

Karl

PaulR

09-02-2005, 06:48 PM

I forget: you still may include me in "ignore" list, and open a pool to ban me or suggest people to do the same! ;)

No never! I love that film 12 Angry Men. Let's have a Trial and appoint a jury of 12 angry internet men. Who wants to be Judge? :D

joaz

09-02-2005, 10:01 PM

One thing I have learned from that Abstract Art thread, Is that there is a world of difference between an Opinion, and an Assertion.
If I say something like..."In my opinion string sections ruin orchestras,and we would all be better off without them." You note my opinion,you either agree or disagree,and move on.
If I say something like,
" String sections ruin orchestras.And I can Prove it.
Schumann wrote badly for Strings,Brahms wrote too many 3rds and 6ths in the lower register,which muddy the texture.Many of Beethovens Double bass parts are too difficult to play,and the whole section is bluffing most of the time.
If you dispute it, I would be very interested to hear a justification. I don't think there is one other than dogma ("String sections are good because I say so")." ........ :) :D

Then, I have issued a very provocative statement.And you cannot merely reply to me with an opinion,because I am demanding justification, and I have prejudged you as being dogmatic.
Beneath the urbane and sophisticated language, there lurks a slap in the face to those who thought the forum was just a place to share ideas. Now we must justify our opinions.We are challenged with a call to arms.Those of you who love string sections above all other things,feel your pulse racing,and your fingers hover over the keyboard,ready to reply.

I guess, I have learned something useful,in all of this. Assertions are a guaranteed way of raising the temprature, and a discussion soon modulates into a debate. I don't think it must necessarily follow, that a debate modulates into a shouting match, but I for one am now much more aware of the dangers.
regards

Some terms and their definitions.
An assertion states that a particular proposition is True or False
Opinion =A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.
dogma.= a fixed, especially religious, belief or set
of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts