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Styxx
09-02-2005, 02:36 PM
back in musical (or otherwise) time, where, who, and what would you choose to visit?

Richard N.
09-02-2005, 02:40 PM
two choices for me -

1. any Beatles recording session from their last few years.
2. sitting in with Count Basie's Orchestra in their hey-day.

newmewzikboy
09-02-2005, 02:52 PM
Stravinsky Spring Concert
Beethoven 3rd and 9th symphonys
Beethoven Late String Quartet Concerts

first come to mind...

Stephanie Pray
09-02-2005, 02:56 PM
Europe in the mid to late 1980's. I miss having Big-Hair, wearing lace, and too much makeup :D

Love the music of Depeche Mode, The Cure, Duran Duran...oooh the memories!!! :)

PaulR
09-02-2005, 02:59 PM
Having tea at Benny Herrmann's Regents Park flat in the late 60's.

Tom Hopkins
09-02-2005, 03:01 PM
Here are three among many:

1. The riotous first performance of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring on May 29, 1913.
2. The first rehearsal of Kenton's Innovations in Modern Music Orchestra, Jan. 1950.
3. Any club date by the Max Roach/Clifford Brown quintet between 1953 and 1955.

Tom

Ray Lindsley
09-02-2005, 03:11 PM
53rd Street in NYC ("Swing Alley") in the 40s and 50s to see people like Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, and Miles Davis blowing live. Plus I could get buzzed for about $3.

cptexas
09-02-2005, 03:15 PM
I suddenly feel so young. :D

Ray Lindsley
09-02-2005, 03:16 PM
I would also have loved to see Pagannini and Heifetz play violin.

Styxx, what's your answer?

Tony Monaghan
09-02-2005, 03:47 PM
Paris, 1934, Django Reinhardt and the Hot Club of France Quintet

and

Led Zeppelin, Knebworth 1979

Dargason
09-02-2005, 04:03 PM
John Philip Sousa and his band, anywhere, 1892-1932.

Drumroll
09-02-2005, 04:09 PM
back in musical (or otherwise) time, where, who, and what would you choose to visit?
1955 - Carmel, CA - at Erroll Garner's Concert By the Sea

Fabio
09-02-2005, 04:12 PM
YEAH, first execution of Behetoven's 9th symphony, such an event.

But to seet beside J.S.Bach playing the Organ and set his stops in real time...or sing short mass or cantatas in his Choir in Thomas Schule...or play the oboe or the harpsicord with Lipzieg university students orchestra playing Suites and Brandebourg concertos...stop my hart is ready to explode just thinking...

And Haendel funeral big Messiah execution? And Monteverdi music in San Marco chathedral in Venice? Why not Cappella Sistina singing under direction of Pierluigi Sante da Palestrina...

What about real first execution of some Russian opera, or Wagner version of his work in Bayreut...Chopin and Lizt challenging eachother in piano improvisation, under George Sand valuation...Helping Mozart copying his Requiem? (NO! Not like Salieri in the movie, but like his pupil really did during last days, invited by Mozart and later his wife to finish the job and receive money...:( )

No it's impossible to decide. :confused: But really i would like to ask my idol J.S.B. "Please, tell me: did you really finish or not the quadruple fugue of Die Kunst der fuge?". Yes it's an unusual question :D

Everybody has his own maniac side... :p

Fabio
09-02-2005, 04:23 PM
Europe in the mid to late 1980's. I miss having Big-Hair, wearing lace, and too much makeup :D

Love the music of Depeche Mode, The Cure, Duran Duran...oooh the memories!!! :)

You will find it difficoult to believe, but...hem...I was there.

No makeup :D , no 70's big hair, but 80's disco and ballades made me live unforgettable romance stories with nice girls...discover love together...:p

I was a teen ager. Too easy. Ok forget my contribute... :o

Probably this is the reason to hate techno hause and all the rest of noisy 90's and actual dance :D :D :mad:

southportJim
09-02-2005, 04:40 PM
I'll second the idea of Beatles recording sessions, Miles Davis in a "small" club anytime during or after "Kind of Blue", and epsecially that infamous first outing of Rite of Spring.

I would add the Dead's recording of "Anthem of the Sun", but I think there must have been long periods of time when they just sat there wide-eyed watching the tracers, so that probably wouldn't be too interesting. ;-)

But my all time favorite would be to go back to when the now ancient medieval catehedrals (Notre Dame, Santiago de Compestella, etc.) were new to hear music by folks like Machaut...that must have been incredible.

;-)
jim

jesshmusic
09-02-2005, 05:30 PM
But my all time favorite would be to go back to when the now ancient medieval catehedrals (Notre Dame, Santiago de Compestella, etc.) were new to hear music by folks like Machaut...that must have been incredible.

;-)
jim


OMG. Since I am taking Music History survey right now, I may be predjudice on this.... lol


I need a serious break from motets, madrigals, organum (duplum, triplum, AND quadruplum), and the Ars Nova.

For me personally, I can't think of any particular time other than right now with me. But, I would like to have been able to study with Bartok, Nadia Boulanger, Stravinsky, Schoenberg, and Shostakovich. Guess I'll just listen, look at the scores, close my eyes and imagine I am there. I would like to, however, take a few thousand sheets of manuscript and transcribe the ancient Greek music, medieval secular music, and other stuff that we have NO idea how it sounded because it was passed down aurally. Somehow I have a feeling that the religious music of the day just doesn't capture it.

rwayland
09-02-2005, 05:43 PM
[QUOTE=Richard N.]two choices for me -

1. any Beatles recording session from their last few years.
...........


How about the first Beatles appearance on the Ed Sullivan show? Actually, I was there, and that would not be my favored choice of return. I was there more or less by accident.

There are so many events to choose from! I suppose I would like to visit Moscow and watch Van Cliburn win the competition.

Richard

rwayland
09-02-2005, 05:44 PM
I suddenly feel so young. :D

Possibly you are?

Richard

Garritan
09-02-2005, 05:59 PM
The GPO Forum on September 2, 2005

Wait...I'm here now! http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

southportJim
09-02-2005, 06:03 PM
OMG. Since I am taking Music History survey right now, I may be predjudice on this.... lol

I need a serious break from motets, madrigals, organum (duplum, triplum, AND quadruplum), and the Ars Nova.
...
I would like to, however, take a few thousand sheets of manuscript and transcribe the ancient Greek music, medieval secular music, and other stuff that we have NO idea how it sounded because it was passed down aurally. Somehow I have a feeling that the religious music of the day just doesn't capture it.

ROFLOL...You're probably right Jess! I only spend a few hours a week on it, so organum and Ars Nova is a pleasant distraction for me. It would be a treat to hear all the secular stuff that didn't make it down to us, though.

;-)

SeanHannifin
09-02-2005, 06:29 PM
I'd stop Salieri from killing Mozart!!

Fabio
09-02-2005, 06:34 PM
I'd stop Salieri from killing Mozart!!

OH NO AGAIN!

Sean, I know that it's hard to know, but be aware that...Henry Potter is just a movie... :D

What i can say? "Amadeus" was one of the most exciting movies of ever on composer life IMHO. We may forgive every historical license and brain damages we had from the storyboard :D

jesshmusic
09-02-2005, 07:05 PM
I'd stop Salieri from killing Mozart!!
Knowing you are just kidding, still.... you could take simple antibiotics to stop his Reumatic Fever....

Then again.... his early death is as it should be. Who knows what effect it would have on history if he had lived. Perhaps his fame would have decreased even more and he would have lived a long miserable life. Or even given up composing anyway when he fell from favor, like Copland. Or he could have lived long, revolutionized music before Beethoven, who would have been lost in Mozart's light to history... Although I doubt that scenario. Learn from Dr. Emmitt Brown.... the space-time continuum must be preserved as it is!!! lol

Fabio
09-02-2005, 07:12 PM
...I would like to meet Sean. He is a so kind and funny guy, that to be his friend must be a happy experience!

Unfortunately, I probably understand his humor better in written messages, than in real speach, then thanks GPO Forum to let me meet this guy on the net!

He frequently force me to joke, and I hope my translation may be still understandable ( I know he was jocking about Mozart...or not ?!?) :confused: :o :p :D

SeanHannifin
09-02-2005, 08:27 PM
...I would like to meet Sean. He is a so kind and funny guy, that to be his friend must be a happy experience!
Thank you!! I myself wouldn't mind meeting the kind folks I've met on this forum!

I'm a big "Amadeus" fan. http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif As I didn't grow up playing an instrument or even listening to classical music, the movie was my introduction to Mozart.

Jess, that would make a great plot for a movie! Time travelers go back in time and save Mozart's life. When they get back to the future, everything is changed! No one knows who Beethoven is, because he was able to get lessons from Mozart, who discouraged him from ever composing again by scribbling out his entire counterpoint exercises. Hence, Wagner is not inspired by Beethoven, and never writes an Opera that anybody likes. Hence Opera itself becomes unpopular, and Andrew Lloyd Webber ends up never listening to Operas and never writes Broadway hits, and much less people go to New York as tourists, creating a surplus amount of tourism in Disney World, making Disney richer than everyone else, who buys out Microsoft and Apple ending the era of computers . . . . ooohhh it could get good! http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

rpearl
09-02-2005, 09:40 PM
My choice would be the concert Leonard Bernstein conducted in Berlin shortly after the fall of the wall in 1989 - Beethoven's 9th. When the chorus enters in the last movement, their first word is Freude (Joy); for this performance, he changed it the Freiheit - Freedom. Now, given that the 9th is well known to Germans, and of course, everyone there understood both what was said, and what had been substituted, the place erupted. what a moment that must have been.

First performance of Monteverdi's Vespers would rank up there, though.

R. Pearl

joaz
09-02-2005, 09:46 PM
1st performance of Oedipus Rex (Sophocles) or The Bachae (Euripides) or even better, The Frogs (Aristophanes). I am dying to know what the music sounded like.

I would love to sit next to J S Bach when he was improvising. Or Beethoven. I truly believe Classical Music lost a lot when it phased out improvisation.

Miles Davis Quintet.1964 The "My Funny Valentine" concert at Carnegie Hall.This was the record that made me switch camps and decide to be a Jazz Musician,instead of a classical composer. Herbie Hancock's finest hour.
regards

Styxx
09-02-2005, 10:00 PM
1st performance of Oedipus Rex (Sophocles) or The Bachae (Euripides) or even Better The Frogs (Aristophanes). I am dying to know what the music sounded like.
Hm, closest I can come to this is L'ORFEO, Act III, "Possente spirto" - Claudio Monteverdi (1567 - 1643) Orpheus sings to get Euridice back from Hell. I have the score. ;) As a matter of fact, I have many scores from ancient, Medieval, Renaissance, and Baroque periods. About 357 some with performance discs.

Styxx
09-02-2005, 10:10 PM
I would also have loved to see Pagannini and Heifetz play violin.

Styxx, what's your answer?
I think I would like to go back an play conga with Ricky Ricardo!
After, I would give Lucy soomting to slpan about! :D

Seriously ... WHO ME? YEAH YOU FRUIT CAKE!
Well, all of the above replies!

jesshmusic
09-02-2005, 10:47 PM
Ahhhh..... nice.

Styxx went and busted out the FIRST opera. Very nice. Perfect subject too. Like most musicians, Orpheus was the dumbass. He just haaaaad to turn and look! ;)

Styxx
09-02-2005, 11:08 PM
Did I mention that these recording are with period instruments and sung in the style of the period(s)?

Still, Ricky Ricardo or bust! Start the time machine!:cool:

joaz
09-02-2005, 11:24 PM
Hm, closest I can come to this is L'ORFEO, Act III, "Possente spirto" - Claudio Monteverdi (1567 - 1643) Orpheus sings to get Euridice back from Hell. I have the score. ;) As a matter of fact, I have many scores from ancient, Medieval, Renaissance, and Baroque periods. About 357 some with performance discs.

Wow,man, thats a lot of scores. :) Sophcles was born in 496 BC,so it would need some really ancient instruments.As far as I know,no record of the music survived.And scholars really don't have a clue how it sounded.
I vaguely remember that Plato wanted to ban the Lydian mode in his ideal republic,because it incited lust!!!.Was this really the same as our beloved #4 major scale ??? I would love to know. ;)
regards

SeanHannifin
09-02-2005, 11:27 PM
http://classics.uc.edu/music/

Those are believed to be some ancient music. Of course, we're not completely sure we know how to read it. There might be more that has been found on papyrus.

newmewzikboy
09-02-2005, 11:28 PM
Styxx: Do you have any Alfonso Ferrabosco?

joaz
09-02-2005, 11:37 PM
http://classics.uc.edu/music/

Those are believed to be some ancient music. Of course, we're not completely sure we know how to read it. There might be more that has been found on papyrus.
Thanks for the link Sean.Fascinating stuff.
regards

Garritan
09-03-2005, 12:55 AM
Staying Alive at Saturday Night Fever in 1977

fastlane
09-03-2005, 01:14 AM
Sky River I & ll Rock Festival & Lighter Than Air Fair.

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=5425
http://www.humbead.com/skyriver/

Oh yes, and Marilyn Monroe singing me to sleep. :)

SeanHannifin
09-03-2005, 02:37 AM
Staying Alive at Saturday Night Fever in 1977

......










:D :D :D :D :D

Aziraphal
09-03-2005, 04:30 AM
back in musical (or otherwise) time, where, who, and what would you choose to visit?

Myself, to tell me to keep off Roland gear :)
But seriously, I agree with Jess that the space-time continuum should be left alone. Beethoven is said to have been a bad tempered pain in the neck. What if you, suppose, met him and lost some respect of him because of Ludwig the Man?
Besides, a good deal of color and beauty of past events is supplied by romanticised memories and nostalgia.
There was an interesting short story by, I think, Alfred Bester, about people going back in time and being always disappointed .. the ones who visited Ancient Greece lost their enthusiasm for philosophy on public forums in a matter of hours and started complaining about the lack of plumbing, "decent" food, and so on ... :)

rpearl
09-03-2005, 08:00 AM
Wow,man, thats a lot of scores. :) Sophcles was born in 496 BC,so it would need some really ancient instruments.As far as I know,no record of the music survived.And scholars really don't have a clue how it sounded.
I vaguely remember that Plato wanted to ban the Lydian mode in his ideal republic,because it incited lust!!!.Was this really the same as our beloved #4 major scale ??? I would love to know. ;)
regards

Joe,

While the names are the same, the scales themselves were different. If memory serves, Dorian would be the rough equivalent of our current major scale (Ionian), and not minor-with-a-raised-six. There is a LOT of speculation.
The interesting thing about Plato's reaction is how powerful music was perceived to be. This is partly a function, one would think, of its relative scarcity. No discmen, iPods, or mall music - such a different world...

Ron

joaz
09-03-2005, 08:51 AM
thing about Plato's reaction is how powerful music was perceived to be. This is partly a function, one would think, of its relative scarcity. No discmen, iPods, or mall music - such a different world...

Ron
That is a good point Ron, the current ubiquity of Music seems to dilute its impact.
Again from memory, Plato said that the Dorian mode was useful for inducing a Martial mood. It is fascinating to me to ponder the question,of what music meant to the composer, and what it means to the listener.
For example, a melody from Bartok or Berg, may have been intended to portray intense lyricism, but thanks to repeated use by Hollywood of this sound in a psychological tension setting. What was intended to mean Beauty, now means Horror.
Food for thought. :)
regards

newmewzikboy
09-03-2005, 11:02 AM
Someone else mentioned it but to be in Nadia Boulanger's studio back when almost every major composer of the 20th century was studying there. Can you imagine the conversations. Marc Blitzstein, Elliott Carter, Aaron Copland, David Diamond, Piston, Thompson. Oh my god, I just looked up a list of her students: Phillip Glass, Thea Musgrave, Tcherepnin, QUINCY JONES!?!?! (Yes... I looked it up... THE Quincy Jones studied with Nadia Boulanger). What I wouldn't give to be able to go back and study with that woman.

Tom
http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif

No you wouldn't. I have a friend who did, and I had a famous composer/teacher who met her when Stravinsky was in town, and was also a friend of Schoenberg. With the first, he didn't get anything from her of interest (he also studied with Messaen); with the second, he thought her the most pompous ~~~ that he had ever met. hmmm...now Schoenberg as a teacher...that would have been interesting.

As Virgil Thompson used to say: "every town in america has 2 things: 1) a corner drugstore 2) someone who studied with Nadia Boulangeee"

newmewzikboy
09-03-2005, 11:05 AM
Myself, to tell me to keep off Roland gear :)
But seriously, I agree with Jess that the space-time continuum should be left alone. Beethoven is said to have been a bad tempered pain in the neck. What if you, suppose, met him and lost some respect of him because of Ludwig the Man?

Never. NMB understand Ludwig. NMB is Ludwig.

Ludwig distrusted people due to deafness.
Ludwig was a practical joker.
Ludwig did have LOTs of friends...really.
Ludwig liked coffee: exactly 60 beans to the cup

Styxx
09-03-2005, 11:08 AM
Never. NMB understand Ludwig. NMB is Ludwig.

Ludwig distrusted people due to deafness.
Ludwig was a practical joker.
Ludwig did have LOTs of friends...really.
Ludwig liked coffee: exactly 60 beans to the cup Ha! Excellent...
Me love coffee too!

jesshmusic
09-03-2005, 12:00 PM
now Schoenberg as a teacher...that would have been interesting.

I have heard Schoenberg was a hard-~~~, but that is what I like. If I write something crappy, I would like to be told honestly. Here is a funny quote about Schoenberg from John Cage:


I certainly had no feeling for harmony, and Schoenberg thought that that would make it impossible for me to write music. He said, 'You'll come to a wall you won't be able to get through.' So I said, 'I'll beat my head against that wall.'


As Virgil Thompson used to say: "every town in america has 2 things: 1) a corner drugstore 2) someone who studied with Nadia Boulangeee"

lol

newmewzikboy
09-03-2005, 12:21 PM
I have heard Schoenberg was a hard-~~~, but that is what I like. If I write something crappy, I would like to be told honestly. Here is a funny quote about Schoenberg from John Cage:
lol

My inside story regarding John Cage is that he didnt study more than a couple of lessons with Arnie, and that he exploited this meeting for his own musical career and quotation bag to make him look better. In other words, Johnny didn't have the discipline, time, or interest...and that he has delusions of story telling that don't map to the truth. Must be from the mushrooms...

epexegenesis
09-03-2005, 12:27 PM
WOODSTOCK!!!! 69

Styxx
09-03-2005, 01:16 PM
WOODSTOCK!!!! 69
Been there done that.:) Oh, wait ... maybe? I seem to recall rain. Loud music and lots of beautiful people. Wait, had to walk several miles to the stage it seemed. Long hair, blue eyed blonde hair babies dancing in the rain. A smell of ... what was that again? Oh, yeah ... far out man! Woe, bringing back memories of Country Joe and The Fish, Santana ... woe ... I'm back there dudes. Flower power, right on man, power to the people, far out and groovy man! Dude, let's go!
Jimmy ... man where are you dude!

It should have been subnamed, "Smoke Stock"! ;)

jesshmusic
09-03-2005, 01:19 PM
My inside story regarding John Cage is that he didnt study more than a couple of lessons with Arnie, and that he exploited this meeting for his own musical career and quotation bag to make him look better. In other words, Johnny didn't have the discipline, time, or interest...and that he has delusions of story telling that don't map to the truth. Must be from the mushrooms...


Heh. That's the impression I got from the quote. Ole John was on his own course anyway that was nothing like the disciplined approach I am sure Schoenberg suscribed to.

Styxx
09-03-2005, 01:27 PM
John Cage ...

newmewzikboy
09-03-2005, 01:51 PM
Heh. That's the impression I got from the quote. Ole John was on his own course anyway that was nothing like the disciplined approach I am sure Schoenberg suscribed to.

In other words: John didn't study with Schoenberg. He only met with him. The rest is a figment of Johns imagination and fantasy.

newmewzikboy
09-03-2005, 01:51 PM
Styxx? You really were at Woodstock??

How about Studio 59?

Cantabile
09-03-2005, 02:21 PM
back in musical (or otherwise) time, where, who, and what would you choose to visit?
Believe it or not it would not be any of the past masters. I would love to meet/chat with Einstien.

Jimi
09-03-2005, 03:10 PM
Europe in the mid to late 1980's. I miss having Big-Hair, wearing lace, and too much makeup :D

Love the music of Depeche Mode, The Cure, Duran Duran...oooh the memories!!! :)

Stole the answer from my mouth...!

Richard N.
09-03-2005, 03:10 PM
A non-musical one - I'd like to go back to when Bill Gates started up in business and buy a bunch of shares in Microsoft.

SeanHannifin
09-03-2005, 03:12 PM
Well, I certainly wouldn't mind asking Jesus a few questions . . . :)

Jimi
09-03-2005, 03:15 PM
OH NO AGAIN!

What i can say? "Amadeus" was one of the most exciting movies of ever on composer life IMHO. We may forgive every historical license and brain damages we had from the storyboard :D

It's very clear in the play, but somehow it got a bit confused in the movie... the whole thing is supposed to be historical license, because the whole thing is actually Salieri's degenerate mind fantasy.

SeanHannifin
09-03-2005, 03:23 PM
It's very clear in the play, but somehow it got a bit confused in the movie... the whole thing is supposed to be historical license, because the whole thing is actually Salieri's degenerate mind fantasy.
In the movie it is too, since the entire movie is a flashback of Salieri's tale to the priest.

newmewzikboy
09-03-2005, 03:27 PM
This is all a variant on the dinner party question:

If you could invite anyone from history to your dinner party, who would you invite?

rpearl
09-03-2005, 03:50 PM
OH NO AGAIN!

Sean, I know that it's hard to know, but be aware that...Henry Potter is just a movie... :D

What i can say? "Amadeus" was one of the most exciting movies of ever on composer life IMHO. We may forgive every historical license and brain damages we had from the storyboard :D

Fabio,

I agree - great movie, terrible historical accuracy. But never, ever see "Immortal Beloved" (Beethoven): bad movie, bad historical accuracy. That's $3 and 2 hours of my life I'll never get back...


R. Pearl

Jeff Turner
09-03-2005, 04:31 PM
Not musically related, but I'd love to travel back as an observer and watch the moment my wife and I met. :)

Jeff

PaulR
09-03-2005, 04:36 PM
If you could invite anyone from history to your dinner party, who would you invite?

Miss Munroe - alone!

Richard N.
09-03-2005, 05:02 PM
Not musically related, but I'd love to travel back as an observer and watch the moment my wife and I met. :)

Jeff

Luckily I have a very clear recollection of the time I first met Mrs N. in person. I don't think I'd like a 3rd person viewpoint of this as I am not very photogenic. :)

Richard N.
09-03-2005, 05:10 PM
If you could invite anyone from history to your dinner party, who would you invite?

I'll opt for a contemporary selection of people:

1. Patrick Stewart (Actor)
2. Billy Connolly (Comedian)
3. Michael Parkinson (Chat Show Host)
4. Bob Geldof (Saint)
5. Robbie Williams (Singist)
6. George Martin (Producer)
7. Quincy Jones (genius)
8. Mr Hopkins (wow!)
9. Mr Garritan (who?)
10. DPDAN (ears)

SeanHannifin
09-03-2005, 05:13 PM
Perhaps I'll stop my great great great grandparents from meeting and create a time paradox . . . :D

Fabio
09-03-2005, 05:17 PM
Fabio,

I agree - great movie, terrible historical accuracy. But never, ever see "Immortal Beloved" (Beethoven): bad movie, bad historical accuracy. That's $3 and 2 hours of my life I'll never get back...


R. Pearl

I agree: the Ludwig personality is painted without thickness, and a pale few line of his artistic strenght.

Jimi
09-04-2005, 05:41 AM
In the movie it is too, since the entire movie is a flashback of Salieri's tale to the priest.

Yeah, it was to me too, but somehow it seems to escape many people. I had a guy ranting to me about how innacurate it was... somehow they don't pick up on the fact that Salieri is just spinning a yarn.

Jimi
09-04-2005, 05:52 AM
Fabio,
I agree - great movie, terrible historical accuracy. But never, ever see "Immortal Beloved" (Beethoven): bad movie, bad historical accuracy. That's $3 and 2 hours of my life I'll never get back...
R. Pearl

No way! Immortal Beloved is hilarious! Gary Oldman is priceless as Beethoven. Yeah the movie is incredibly stupid and cheesy... my music nerd pals and I all enjoyed it quite a bit, we even quote some of the absolutely ridiculous lines to this day. Imagine a nearly empty theater with a row of drunken Beethoven fans in the back moaning "CARL... CARL..."

My favorite line:
"Schindler... I always thought you were a bore, and an ~~~, but you had your uses, and now you have none... GET OUT!!!"

I reccomend watching it back-to-back with Sid & Nancy for the full effect...

Good times, good times.

PaulR
09-04-2005, 06:25 AM
If you get the chance to see this, I would recommend it for lovers of Beethoven.

Beethoven - BBC TWO, June

Award-winning actor Paul Rhys stars as Beethoven in a major new three-part drama-documentary series on the life and work of Ludwig van Beethoven, presented by conductor Charles Hazlewood.

rpearl
09-04-2005, 08:26 AM
No way! Immortal Beloved is hilarious! Gary Oldman is priceless as Beethoven. Yeah the movie is incredibly stupid and cheesy... my music nerd pals and I all enjoyed it quite a bit, we even quote some of the absolutely ridiculous lines to this day. Imagine a nearly empty theater with a row of drunken Beethoven fans in the back moaning "CARL... CARL..."

My favorite line:
"Schindler... I always thought you were a bore, and an ~~~, but you had your uses, and now you have none... GET OUT!!!"

I reccomend watching it back-to-back with Sid & Nancy for the full effect...

Good times, good times.

I am so glad to know that somehow, some way, people found joy in Immortal Beloved. That I was incapable of doing so is my own loss...

But, with friends, beer, and a sense of humor, almost any film is watchable!

R. Pearl

newmewzikboy
09-04-2005, 11:33 AM
Gary Oldman is hilarious

rpearl
09-04-2005, 12:18 PM
Gary Oldman is hilarious

He was a lot better in "Air Force One". But you are right, NMB, he really nailed the inner comic of Beethoven. Who knew?

R. Pearl

dynamix
09-04-2005, 11:12 PM
Europe in the mid to late 1980's. I miss having Big-Hair, wearing lace, and too much makeup :D

Love the music of Depeche Mode, The Cure, Duran Duran...oooh the memories!!! :)

Ditto Maestro, London, early Eighties, for the above and also: Heaven 17, Human League, Bowie, Peter Gabriel, Clash, Haircut 100/Nick Hayward, Bananarama, Specials/Funboy Three, APB, Pigbag, Kaja Goo Goo, Culture Club, Japan/David Sylvian, Belle Stars, Thompson Twins, Spandau Ballet(before True), Malcom Maclaren solo, Bow Wow Wow, Adam Ant, Sex Pistols/Johnny Lydon/PIL, English Beat/General Public/Fine Young Cannibals, Madness, Bad Manners, Boomtown Rats, Pogues, Kirsty MacColl, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Art of Noise, etc. etc. etc.

Also, Paris & London for the Jon Anderson & Vangehlis collaborations.

Generally, I try to keep this time travel stuff to a minimum. Like previous members have noted. Its that time space continuim problem. Traveled back to see the Beatles sessions only recently. When I returned Pete Best was no longer their drummer. Some guy named Ringo Starr was in his place! Not sure what I did to screw that up, but I'm leaving well enough alone and not returning to fix it!

Erik

Edi
09-07-2005, 08:10 AM
53rd Street in NYC ("Swing Alley") in the 40s and 50s to see people like Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, and Miles Davis blowing live. Plus I could get buzzed for about $3.

I did see Charlie Parker then and Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach, Coleman Hawkins, Slam Stewart..and many others.

(By the way, it was 52nd street not 53rd.)

Edi
09-07-2005, 08:23 AM
Here are three among many:

1. The riotous first performance of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring on May 29, 1913.
2. The first rehearsal of Kenton's Innovations in Modern Music Orchestra, Jan. 1950.
3. Any club date by the Max Roach/Clifford Brown quintet between 1953 and 1955.

Tom

I would love to see just one riotous performance in the US...it would show that music is really something important enough to get upset about. :)

Regarding Stravinsky, I may have been at the premier performance of his Ebony Concerto written for and played by Woody Herman.

Of course I was not at the Stan Kenton rehearsal that you reference but I did see the Kenton band at one of the Time Square theatres in those days. I think it was the Astor but I am not sure. I also saw Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey, Harry James, Benny Goodman, Woody Herman, Duke Ellington and Count Basie with Lester Young at Birdland.

(Sorry for the nostalgia...those were great times in New York)

Ed

Edi
09-07-2005, 08:27 AM
I would also have loved to see Pagannini and Heifetz play violin.

Styxx, what's your answer?

Sorry you couldn't be with me but I did see Heifitz at Carnegie Hall in the fifties. On the other hand you will probably be alive long after I am gone! :)

Ed

Fabio
12-12-2008, 10:59 AM
OMG....Such a nice post it was guys!

schneb
12-12-2008, 12:11 PM
Well, I certainly wouldn't mind asking Jesus a few questions . . . :)
Why not ask Him now? He's alive ya, know.

To the question at hand. I would most likely go and watch the first performance of The Magic Flute.

dsampson55
12-12-2008, 02:41 PM
Jimi Hendrix

nuff said

dsampson55
12-12-2008, 02:42 PM
or my young self - "Straighten up you little punk..."

magnificent
12-13-2008, 03:54 AM
For me, Festspielhaus, August 1876 for the premiere of Wagner's Ring cycle.

So much led up to that. So much life lived. It must have been quite a triumph when that was finally performed.

I also would have liked to have met Kurt Cobain and talked some sense into him. I was in the Seattle scene in those days; engineering and also playing clubs with my own band, but our paths never crossed. Pity.


Jon

magnificent
12-14-2008, 04:47 AM
7. Nirvana's "Nevermind" sessions.


Ern :|: :hp: :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cbl0aZDFPI

Enjoy!

SeanHannifin
12-14-2008, 05:41 AM
Woah... an old resurrected thread... ah, the memories... :D