JABB demo section for this forum?

[DPDAN]

Hello e v e r ybody, http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/DPDAN/menubar_grover.jpg

What do you all think of a separate section dedicated to JABB demos?
There was some discussion of this on the chat not too long ago.
Please post a simple "YES" if you are in favor of the JABB demos being separate from the classical oriented Garritan demos.

I say YES! :)

Dan

[Godfrey]

If people are willing to mark their demos as "GPO" or "JABB", there's not really much need for it -- and if the forums are separated, what do you do if your work uses some of both? (Or Solo Strad, once that's available?)

[Styxx]

YES!


Can't do just a simple "yes". Not enough characters! :)

[SeanHannifin]

Yes . . .

The demo section is already pretty crowded as it is anyway. Giving Jazz demos their own forum section would give them their own "space" :D For demos that fuse the two, I think they could go in either one, or which ever they use more of.

[dnortana]

yes, seems like a good idea to me.

Trond

[Markleford]

Either subject tags should be put into common use (GOS, GPO, JABB, Strad, Harp, Flex) as Godfrey points out, or I would say restructuring in general would be helpful (as I'd prefer) with expanded product sections...

Garritan Chatter
- General Discussion (aka "Off Topic", announcements, rampant speculation and rumors)
- Demos, MIDIs & Song Files (with subject tags)
- Interviews

Garritan Personal Orchestra
- GPO Discussion
- GPO Academy (orchestration and theory)
- Tips, Techniques & Tutorials ("how to use GPO effectively")
- Support & Technical ("how to get GPO working", sequencer and notation integration issues)

Garritan Jazz and Big Band
- JABB Discussion
- Club JABB (like GPO Academy, but for jazz style and arrangement)
- Tips, Techniques & Tutorials
- Support & Technical

etc.

As it stands, a large majority of posts (including demos) get posted to the GPO General Discussion forum, to occasionally be filtered and threads moved to appropriate areas later by a moderator. Some people, in fact, don't mind that, or even prefer it that way!

So, in a sense, this is a NO answer from me, even though I'd like the demo forum moved out from under the GPO hierarchy altogether to emphasise is newly "general" nature (not that GOS demos weren't welcome before!).

- m

[daerp@mac.com]

YES! (The forum demands at least 10 characters in a message so I add this to that). YES!!!

[cptexas]

Stupid ten character rule... :mad:

Hmmm, this is a tuffie.
I think there should be a seperation becuase when Gary starts coming out with all these new libs there will be demos pouring in, and it's quite likely that many will be missed in the flow. I think that if they were sorted out there would be a much less chance of demos being overlooked.
And if you mix the libs make the decision based on style. Even if it's a GPO jazz orchestra with a single JABB solo tenor sax, it would go in JABB because it's Jazz. Did that make sense?

So anyway, YES. :D

-Chris

[etLux]

Maybe Not.

I'm not sure what a good solution to this might be.

Striating the forum by either genre or library might be counter-productive -- in that those of us inclined classically might rarely visit the jazz area, and vice versa.

My leaning would be to retain the single demo area, so that all types of music would gain exposure there... though it appears I am likely in the minority!

On the other hand, I have to admit -- it might start to get darned confusing and cluttered if a different solution isn't found.

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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[Richard N.]

When someone can define what Jazz is, then YES.

Until then - NO. Music is music.

[joaz]

Qualified NO,but it would be helpful if people put JABB or GPO in the Topic header.
regards

[cptexas]

Man, as I see more points of view I'm beggining to get confuzzled. :confused:
This is a tuffie!! :eek:

I'm beggining to think that it won't matter either way. There are pretty much equal arguments on both ends, imho.
So I say don't worry about it. Either way there will be equal negative and positive results. No use putting this much thought and energy into such a decision if the results are equal. :)

-Chris

[etLux]

Confuzzled?

Personally, I believe I am... boomfuggled.

Perhaps we need one of those newfangled Einsteinian relativistic quantum thingers, here.

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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[YBaCuO]

YES.

I want to separate the LIBRARY demos, and including JABB with GPO will cause all demos to scroll down too much.

I also want separate JABB technical, JABB tips sections but want only one main Garritan section (I don't want to miss anything).

[Richard N.]

I can see that there is a good argument for separating JABB and GPO technical support, tips etc.,

I can also understand (and hope!) that the demo section will start to get crowded - however, I suspect that many demos will use both GPO and JABB and that there will be a good deal of crossover of styles, and I just can't see how a lot of the music will be able to be labelled one thing or another.

[Rhap2]

Yes...........definitely separate the demo areas even though some compositions are a mixture of both. If it's all symphonic or ensembles, post on GPO demo page. If it contains JABB, post on JABB demo page.

Jack Cannon

[dynamix]

I'm hoping to see alot of GPO/JABB combination work... Ala broadway orchestra. So at the moment:

No thanks, please.

[Michael_uk]

I'm with the NO vote.

[Houston Haynes]

But what if you're using BOTH libraries in your demo?

:confused:

[musicpete]

I'd say the simplest solution would be one that was already mentioned: Just add the prefix [GPO], [JABB], [GPO+JABB] or whatever else to the topic title. No extra forum needed. It would clutter up everything.

Problem solved. Voilà! :rolleyes:

[Houston Haynes]

I'd say the simplest solution would be one that was already mentioned: Just add the prefix [GPO], [JABB], [GPO+JABB] or whatever else to the topic title. No extra forum needed. It would clutter up everything.

Problem solved. Voilà! :rolleyes:


Maybe we should add [SUCK] or [Doesn't SUCK] to the prefix too... OK, OK, just kidding on that bit. Yah - keep it simple for now.

[musicpete]

You're right Houston. But I think evil moderators should add these tags. :D

[Styxx]

What is to be done definitively is make sure all the demos have lost in the lower hand corner of the screen so no one can listen to either one in summer for the ice has to cure before you pour the champagne least one demo be heard over the other because JABB demos are really GPO demos in a tree where apples never ripened over the lake for some time now we have been all waiting to hear what this person and that person can do with combination of therein lies are forgiven to a certain extent until a court order is received and what the heck is Jazz anyway why anyone would want to use this library for a polka band is beyond me so lets keep the demo page the way it is and construct a separate onE for Jazz demos under the heading, "Goddangitall Here's Your Freakin' Jazz Demos!" :D

Make no sense? Hey, now there's a revelation for ya! ;)

"THE JABB'S NUTS ... GRAB 'EM!"

[Houston Haynes]

Styxx - YOUFORGOTTOWRITEEVERYTHINGINALLCAPZWIDMISSPELLINGZ ONPURPOSE...

[SeanHannifin]

I can see that there is a good argument for separating JABB and GPO technical support, tips etc.,
That would be a good idea too, I'd say :)

[Garritan]

Thanks all for your input and suggestions. I would like to be able to expand the forum and have a good orderly flow of music and ideas, yet maintain the sense of community we all share.

Markleford's layout is a very good starting point. As YBaCuO and Richard N. point out, one main Garritan section and separate tips and support sections would work best.

I agree with etLux that a single demo area would be best and dividing the music on the forum by genre or library might be counter-productive. Therecertainly will be cross-over (as Richard, Dynamix, Houston and Rhap2 mentioned). Godfrey, musicpete and Joaz's sugestion about marking demos as [GPO] , [STRAD], [JABB] or [GPO+JABB]in the header would help identify and focus on demos.

And the sagacious Styxx has it right: "why anyone would want to use this library for a polka band is beyond me so lets keep the demo page the way it is".

Based on the above, here is a suggested modified layout:
Garritan Central
- General Discussion [All Libraries]
- Demos, MIDIs & Song Files (GPO, JABB, STRAD, GPOA)
- Interviews & Artist Profiles

Garritan Personal Orchestra
- GPO Academy (orchestration and theory)
- Tips, Techniques & Tutorials ("how to use GPO effectively")
- Support & Technical ("how to get GPO working", sequencer and notation integration issues)

Garritan Jazz and Big Band
- Club JABB (like GPO Academy, but for jazz style and arrangement)
- Tips, Techniques & Tutorials
- Support & Technical

Stradivari Solo Violin
- Advanced Technique
- Tips & Tutorials
- Support & Technical

Real Spaces, GOS, GigaHarp, Flexitone
---------

What do you think of this layout?

Gary

[SeanHannifin]

Looks great to me! :D

I especially like the Flexitone there :)

[musicpete]

That looks like a geat layout, Gary! I am in favor of it!

[DPDAN]

That looks great Gary!
Dan

[YBaCuO]

Great!

PS Add GOS to the demo library list.

[Styxx]

Yes! Flexatone! You just made my day! I've been studying advanced Flexatone technique through a correspondence Internet course with Bootmeout College in Wockakakawaka, Massatwoshighsts! This is perfect Gary! :D
Jazz Flexatone ensemble in F#minor demented.
Flexatone concerto in D major with a half nelson during an inverted summersault over the Grand Canyon during a hale storm while playing a very large Flexatone two cents flat.
All this and more when we come back after the break!

[cptexas]

OK, OK. Dumb question from CPTexas for the day. :rolleyes:
What on all this earthly earth in all instruments in existence today is a FLEXITONE???? :confused:

Oh yeah, good layout, Gary. :) Don't forget the GSSP section!! (Garritan Super Secret Project)

[Richard N.]

OK, OK. Dumb question from CPTexas for the day. :rolleyes:
What on all this earthly earth in all instruments in existence today is a FLEXITONE???? :confused:

Oh yeah, good layout, Gary. :) Don't forget the GSSP section!! (Garritan Super Secret Project)

http://ngfl.northumberland.gov.uk/music/orchestra/percussion/flexitone.htm

[Tom Crowning]

Hello e v e r ybody, http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/DPDAN/menubar_grover.jpg

What do you all think of a separate section dedicated to JABB demos?


Hmh, I wouldn't limit this to demos. A more general approach would be
a separate section for each library, so you have demos AND discussions
all in one place.

But my answer is YES anyway :)

[thesoundsmith]

Yes. If you, the composer, feel it belongs in the 'jazz' section, regardless of what is used - GPO, JABB, Strad - (I expect to use them all for some pieces) then that is where it belongs. If you feel it is more 'orchestral', then the orchestral demo section is for you. And if it doesn't really fit in either, take yer pick...

[Tom Crowning]

Yes. If you, the composer, feel it belongs in the 'jazz' section, regardless of what is used - GPO, JABB, Strad - (I expect to use them all for some pieces) then that is where it belongs. If you feel it is more 'orchestral', then the orchestral demo section is for you. And if it doesn't really fit in either, take yer pick...

Dividing by style isn't a good idea, there are too many stiles available
(e.g. I mostly use GPO for non-classical New Age music, and you'll
never see me doing Jazz with JABB :) ).

The number of Garritan libraires is well defined, therefore I'd split the
forums by library (no matter if it'd be for demos or for discussion).

[Garritan]

Here's another modified layout: Garritan Central
- General Discussion - General discussion area for the Garritan Libraries and Instruments. If you are new here, check this section first.

- The Listening Room (Demos, MP3s, MIDIs & Song Files) - Listen to music from other community members, share your music and get constructive feedback from others, collaborate, examine MIDI and notation/sequencer song files.

- Interviews & Artist Profiles - Artist profiles where you can introduce yourself and let everyone know about you and your music. Also interviews from leaders in the music industry. Ask guests questions and interact online!
Personal Orchestra - GPO Academy - An online learning community to enhance their musical knowledge and skills, learn about scoring music, orchestration, technique and theory, and collaborate with teachers and learners. - Tips, Techniques & Tutorials - Get tips and ideas on how to get the most out of Garritan Personal Orchestra! Help each other with tips and techniques and learn from tutorials. - Support & Technical - This is the place for help getting GPO working, for solving installation issues, sequencer and notation integration issues, operation, bug reports and troubleshooting.Jazz and Big Band - Club JABB - The place to learn about jazz arranging techniques, jazz theory and harmony, voicing, blend, etc - from small jazz combs to a big band.
- Tips, Techniques & Tutorials - Get tips and ideas on how to get the most out of Garritan Jazz & Big Band! Help each other with tips and techniques and learn from tutorials - Support & Technical -For solving technical issues involving installation, operation, bug reports and troubleshooting for the Jazz & Big Band Library. Stradivari Solo Violin - Advanced Technique - For learning method and technique for the Stradivari Solo Violin.
- Tips & Tutorials - Get tips and ideas on how to get the most out of the Stradivari Solo Violin. Help each other with tips and learn from tutorials. - Support & Technical - For solving technical issues involvingthe Stradivari Solo Violin Library.

Everything Else - Notation - For information regarding Finale, Sibelius, Capella, Mozart, MIDInotate, Quickscore, Noteworthy Composer, Overture, Encore and other notation programs.
- Real Spaces - For discussions related to the upcoming reverb impulse library.
- Garritan Orchestra Strings - For discussions related to the Garritan Orchestral String library for GigaStudio. - Miscellaneous- Anything that doesn't fit into the forums above.



[edits - made a few corrections]

[etLux]

That looks promising and sensible, Gary!

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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[Markleford]

The trouble would be in getting a leash on Styxx to keep him in the Off-Topic area for the joke du jour, etc. ;)

- m

[mcdoma2000]

I vote for the latest post from Gary - it seems clearly laid out and will accomodate new projects...

[Richard N.]

Looks good Gary.

My only comment would be that personally I enjoy the current state of affairs with the General Discussion section incorporating Off-Topic discussion.

Separating out the Off-Topic topics from the General Discussion could be hard for the moderatos to keep on top of - and it might take "the heart" out of the community that sees General Discussion as the place to go each day for a nice mix of conversation and news.

[Tom Crowning]

Here's another modified layout:

Yep, that's even better than my proposal, each library separated and
one forum for demos/samples/mp3.

Thanks a lot!
Tom

[Rhap2]

Gary:

Let's go with your proposal although this still puts GPO and JABB in the same demo box. But, that's OK too as most folks are specifying either GPO or JABB in their text description of their demo.

Really like the new layout you offered. It just doesn't confuse anyone--real specific and all-encompassing.

Jack Cannon

[M.A.S>]

Here's another modified layout:
- Garritan Orchestra Strings - For discussions related to the upcoming reverb impulse library.


Might want to modify *that* one a bit more!http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[YBaCuO]

Great!

(But I did not see that off topic area, and I do not want one.)

YBaCuO

[SeanHannifin]

My only comment would be that personally I enjoy the current state of affairs with the General Discussion section incorporating Off-Topic discussion.
I agree . . . also anything that's way off topic, like politics and religion, can go in the off-topic section of the NSS forum anyway.

[Styxx]

Personally speakingk, I was dreaming of a white Christmas. Just like the one's I used to know. Where the tree tops glisten, and children listen, to hear ... sleigh bells in the snow ... oh!
Eh hum, sorry ... song came on the radio and I got caught up in the monument. :D
What was the subject? Oh, oh yeah ... Oh, the weather outside is frightful but the fire inside's so delightful. And If we no place to go ... let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! (Somewhere else, please)!
Ooops, sorry, back to the subject.
Yes, I believe the Italians make the best pizza but when it comes to Jazz, it's all American like mom's apple pie and sauerkraut.
OK, I'm finished for today. :p
Can I get a cup of that please? Thank you ... see you guys later! ;)