J&BB and CPU problems

[bmtl]

Hi folks,

I just have my J&BB library since a couple of hours, and it sounds so great. but I have a problem with my CPU. I've loaded a full big band and he processor is in the red in the tutti. I've downloaded the upgrade but even the problem is less important, I still have theses clics while playing my music.
Any advice is welcome.
regards
L

[Tom Hopkins]

Have you tried the "Lite" choices in the update? They take significantly less processor power. You could try substituting lite instruments for the less prominent parts and see if you can lower the CPU demands enough to fix the audio glitches. Also, look to the most demanding instruments for polyphony: Piano and cymbals are good candidates. Try lowering the polyphony assignment for these instruments to see if you can reduce demands without audible side effects. Make sure that what you are experiencing is actually CPU overload and not mixer gain-stage overload by dropping back the overall level of the mix. Experiment with soundcard buffer sizes if you have access to them. At least those are some of the things I would try.

Tom

[bmtl]

Hi Tom,
Thanks for these advices I'll try what you're suggesting. I'm sure that there's not a problem with the mix, because I' ve check the performance of my processor (with DP at the "performance" menu) and it seems that it's the problem.
I'll try to boot the lite verions of the instruments, and, effectively, I have a big piano part. I'll perhaps make a sounbite of the piano part.
thanks again for your help.
Laurent

[Tom Crowning]

I'll try to boot the lite verions of the instruments, and, effectively, I have a big piano part. I'll perhaps make a sounbite of the piano part.
thanks again for your help.
Laurent
I use the lite versions of the (GPO-) pianos all the time because they load
much faster.
I only load the full version for the final rendering to disk.

[Houston Haynes]

open up your latency on your sound card.

[bmtl]

open up your latency on your sound card.
That's what I did and it works; even the processor performance is highly used, I don't have the problems I had before.
And I don't use the J&BB piano, but the lite piano of GPO witch sounds better to me and use less CPU ressource than the other.
regards
L

[jazztao]

open up your latency on your sound card.

Can anyone direct me how to do that on a Mac G4 laptop. I know how to lower the CPU demands in the Ambience window but not how to "open up latency on the sound card". I'm a bit new to the sampling world--help is appreciated.
jazztao

[Thad]

Can anyone direct me how to do that on a Mac G4 laptop. I know how to lower the CPU demands in the Ambience window but not how to "open up latency on the sound card". I'm a bit new to the sampling world--help is appreciated.
jazztao

Garritan Jazz -> Preferences - > SoundCard -> Output Latency

[jazztao]

Garritan Jazz -> Preferences - > SoundCard -> Output Latency

Thad
Thanks for this --I tried lowering moving the latency to various levels and it unfortunately didn't help--the track still had static while playing back--my CPU must be just too insuficient.
Thanks anyway--I've been planning to upgrade.
best
Jazztao

[DPDAN]

Laurent,
Make sure your buffer setting in DP is set to at least 1024. You can check this by going to...

Setup/configure audio system/configure hardware driver, then buffer size.
The lower the number, the less time delay there will be for playing parts on a keyboard, a higher setting provides much more time for the computer's CPU to get things in order, and yields way better sound performance (less clicking & popping). This buffer setting in DP is something that you will be changing quite often.

A very simple fix for a system under extreme stress, and even when it's not, is to record the individual instruments to separate audio tracks in DP, and then mix the sound in the mixing board "shift M". Mute everything except the piano and record it to a stereo audio track, once it is recorded, then mute the midi track and go on to the next few instruments. With the audio assignment stereo pair in the Kontakt player, you can set up many stereo audio tracks and record many at the same time, it just depends on the resources of your computer. Just make sure that the audio tracks' input matches the "assigned output" of the instrument in the Kontakt player. If you still encounter lots of bad sound and chopped up notes, you may need to delete the the bigger instruments in the Kontakt player as Tom has suggested... like the piano, and any other instruments that have lots of notes and/or long decay, such as piano, timpani and cymbals. Back in the tracks window "Shift T", use the "comments" section to keep track of the actual instrument you used for that track, this way, in case you decide to change something in the mid track after you recorded the audio, you can load the correct instrument and re-record that portion into the same audio track, there is no need to re-record the whole track.

So, to do this....

In the Kontakt player, the stereo output of each instrument is assigned by clicking on the 1/2, then a dropdown box appears. Set the piano to 3/4 since you will likely be using bus 1/2 for reverb.

Go to "Project" and select "ADD TRACK" then select "stereo audio track" or better yet, hit Shift T for the tracks window, and highlight the piano midi track name, now hit shift/command S. This is a shortcut to adding a stereo audio track, and highlighting the name of the track in this "tracks window", places the new audio track directly under the piano midi track so you don't have to move it later. I always keep my audio track directly beneath the midi track. Now, title it pno, and set the input for this track to Garritan Jazz... stereo pair 3/4, also, make sure that this stereo audio tracks' output is set to your output device whatever it is. Don't be lazy, color code all of your tracks so you can immediately recognize them. If you adopt a certain strategy for color coding, you can use this for all future projects, and you will not have to learn all over again for every new project.
I use common sense when it comes to instruments and their color.

flute, pink
clarinet, light blue
tuba, brown
violins, red
2nd vlns, orange
viola, yellow
cellos, green
bass, dark blue
bassoon, purple

If a sound is bright and shrill, use a bright shrill color, if it is dark sounding use a dark color, you get the idea :D

By recording all of these instruments to audio, you can eliminate the need for the computer to process the sound of all these instruments simultaneously. If you have not checked it out, read the tutorial on the Audio Mixing Tutorial (http://www.garritan.com/tutorial/AudioMixing.htm) I did on Garritan's website, it is very helpful for those who are not familiar with audio mixing. It's fun!

Try it you'll like it!

dpDan

[bmtl]

Hi DPDAN,

Just some words to thank you for have spending so much time to explain this to me. I'll print your post and try again with DP.
In fact, I've augmented the latency and a lot of the problems I had desapear.
Once again, thanks a lot.
L

[daerp@mac.com]

My 2.5 cents: (relates to Finale 2006c and DP4.6 or another DAW)

I have discovered that in Finale 2006c you can load the lite version of a full big band without any problem. Then when you go to the rendering stage in a DAW (if you take this next, IMO important step, as notation programs offer too many limitations on playback) take your exported midi file and replace with the non diet versions of the files. Then add controller info. Not in Finale.

I have found, because of my workflow that the new version of JABB has another nice feature when used in Finale. While you lose the playback capabilities of tongue/slur, you can raise the polyphony of the brass (I haven't been able to do this with saxes for some reason) to 4 or 5. This means you can play in multiple parts at once while notating. I like to use the explode music function a lot when scoring tuttis. In other words I like to put all 4 or 5 trumpet parts in the 1st part and then add all appropriate articulations and so on and then explode with the mass mover tool. Voilá, you have all parts with their correct markings and if you like this way of working, it is a REAL time saver. :)

Then once all notation is done (and as tech support at Finale likes to say "Remember, this isn't a sequencer" - despite the fact that it clearly has sequencer like traits), play your score into your DAW adding all the bells and whistles. BUT READ DP DAN's EXCELLENT NOTES above about freezing tracks to audio to save your CPU load.

Hope all this helps.

Paul

[Joe Nerren]

Greetings,

I am having a glorious time with both JABB and GPO and a G5 2.5 Dual with 8Gb ram.
Now doing Big Band with both programs. Noticed that I can get multiple brass sounds in GPO but not in JABB
I would like my lead trp to play a sustained note and then go into a vibrato
like some of the lead big band trp players that I have worked with. Also the same with a trombone section. Lead man usually always the only one to use vibrato unless specified.
I have done this before with earlier version of Digital Performer by using one of the controllers in the Graphics Edit window but now I cannot remember hoe to do it.
I would really like to use a section of three trumpets (or bones) and then use another track for the "lead" trp (or bone) man in order to use vibrato.
Many thanks for the help!!! Love these "Garritan Miracles".
Joe Nerren
G5 2.5 dual gb Ram
USB Midi xt (MOTU)
CME 88 controller
Ultralite

[Joe Nerren]

Sorry -- I forgot to mention that I am using DP 5.11!!!
Joe Nerren

[snorlax]

Greetings,

I am having a glorious time with both JABB and GPO and a G5 2.5 Dual with 8Gb ram.
Now doing Big Band with both programs. Noticed that I can get multiple brass sounds in GPO but not in JABB
I would like my lead trp to play a sustained note and then go into a vibrato
like some of the lead big band trp players that I have worked with. Also the same with a trombone section. Lead man usually always the only one to use vibrato unless specified.
I have done this before with earlier version of Digital Performer by using one of the controllers in the Graphics Edit window but now I cannot remember hoe to do it.
I would really like to use a section of three trumpets (or bones) and then use another track for the "lead" trp (or bone) man in order to use vibrato.
Many thanks for the help!!! Love these "Garritan Miracles".
Joe Nerren
G5 2.5 dual gb Ram
USB Midi xt (MOTU)
CME 88 controller
Ultralite

Hi, Joe...

Vibrato in JABB requires TWO controllers:
For vibrato SPEED, apply CC17
For vibrato DEPTH, apply aftertouch

Of course, you can apply these anywhere you want to get your desired effect.

Not sure what you mean by "I can get multiple brass sounds in GPO but not in JABB." Are you using ONE instrument to play 4 or 5 parts? If so, you will lose the tongue/slur function in JABB. It's much better to have "one on a part."

The programming in JABB is somewhat different than it is for GPO, especially as regards the vibrato.

HTH...
Jim

[Joe Nerren]

I'm very sorry to be so dumb but this 76 year old is having a hard time trying to get a vibrato on lead (or solo) horns in JABB .
Jim was very nice to answer my first request and said that JABB requires two controllers --cc17 and after touch.
I came a long way from a Mac 9500/DP 2.6 to a G5 Dual and DP 5.11 first using modules and keyboards (4 nice albums-no money made, just a lot of fun) to JABB and GPO .LOVE IT!!
The JABB is full of cc's... These are evidently controllers but where and how do I get them into DP5.11?? In the Graphic Editing Window?? Sequence Editor ??? or what and how??
My controller is a CME-UF 88 plugged into Midi XT USB like their manual says but I know very little about it. It works so I leave it at that.
I'm really hoping that I can insert all these inserts into DP 5.11 and do all from computer.
Inserting cc's big hang up for me right now.
Most grateful for the help. This "game" is all that is keeping me sane
(or insane )
Many , many thanks
Joe Nerren (Senior Citizen Rookie)

[snorlax]

I'm very sorry to be so dumb but this 76 year old is having a hard time trying to get a vibrato on lead (or solo) horns in JABB .
Jim was very nice to answer my first request and said that JABB requires two controllers --cc17 and after touch.
I came a long way from a Mac 9500/DP 2.6 to a G5 Dual and DP 5.11 first using modules and keyboards (4 nice albums-no money made, just a lot of fun) to JABB and GPO .LOVE IT!!
The JABB is full of cc's... These are evidently controllers but where and how do I get them into DP5.11?? In the Graphic Editing Window?? Sequence Editor ??? or what and how??
My controller is a CME-UF 88 plugged into Midi XT USB like their manual says but I know very little about it. It works so I leave it at that.
I'm really hoping that I can insert all these inserts into DP 5.11 and do all from computer.
Inserting cc's big hang up for me right now.
Most grateful for the help. This "game" is all that is keeping me sane
(or insane )
Many , many thanks
Joe Nerren (Senior Citizen Rookie)

Hey, Joe!

I started all this at a mere 53 years of age...someone else will have to help you with DP since I am on a PC and have no knowledge of Mac. But I would ASSUME that DP has a controllers window where you can draw that stuff in with the mouse. I'll bet DPDan or someone else will be along shortly to guide you to the right place!
Jim

[snorlax]

I'm very sorry to be so dumb but this 76 year old is having a hard time trying to get a vibrato on lead (or solo) horns in JABB .
Jim was very nice to answer my first request and said that JABB requires two controllers --cc17 and after touch.
I came a long way from a Mac 9500/DP 2.6 to a G5 Dual and DP 5.11 first using modules and keyboards (4 nice albums-no money made, just a lot of fun) to JABB and GPO .LOVE IT!!
The JABB is full of cc's... These are evidently controllers but where and how do I get them into DP5.11?? In the Graphic Editing Window?? Sequence Editor ??? or what and how??
My controller is a CME-UF 88 plugged into Midi XT USB like their manual says but I know very little about it. It works so I leave it at that.
I'm really hoping that I can insert all these inserts into DP 5.11 and do all from computer.
Inserting cc's big hang up for me right now.
Most grateful for the help. This "game" is all that is keeping me sane
(or insane )
Many , many thanks
Joe Nerren (Senior Citizen Rookie)

Hey, Joe!

I started all this at a mere 53 years of age...someone else will have to help you with DP since I am on a PC and have no knowledge of Mac. But I would ASSUME that DP has a controllers window where you can draw that stuff in with the mouse. I'll bet DPDan or someone else will be along shortly to guide you to the right place!
Jim