NI's KORE

[robgb]

Don't know if this has been mentioned here before, but I just got a press release from NI regarding their new integrated sound system, KORE:

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?kore_us&ftu=fae2e01e55&flash=8


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[Ben H]

Wow. Didn't see that one coming.

Great idea though.

Ben H

[Bruce A. Richardson]

I'm jazzed about this one, too. Right up my alley.

[RogueM]

when was V-stack discontinued?

it's never been easy to get (element5 online sales only) but unless there is something I don't know you still can purchase it:

http://shop.element5.com/product.html?productid=528828&cart=1&sessionid=325621442&random=8c46259a6ce2c548c13a8c2ad0d94fd2

... if you mean that the code is dead on the other hand you're right (but who cares).

still one more simple host is always good news in my book.

[Scott Alexander]

I'm jazzed about this one, too. Right up my alley.

yea, could be great for live use.

[dezai]

Different pics and description can be found HERE (http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2594)

[Hardy Heern]

Exciting indeed, although limited to one manufacturer's take on the sounds.....I'm sure most needs would be satisfied however.

Mercy me, just look at the list of stuff included with the (related) Komplete 3 too: -

NI KOMPLETE 3 includes the following instruments:

REAKTOR 5 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - fully modular sound design studio
ABSYNTH 3 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - synthesizer with unrivalled sonic potential
GUITAR RIG 2 Software (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#)* - guitar amps, cabinets and effects emulation
KONTAKT 2 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - the ultimate next-generation sampler
BATTERY 2 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - the pioneering drum sample expert
ELEKTRIK PIANO (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - four legendary electric stage pianos
INTAKT (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - versatile loop sampler and beat slicer
KOMPAKT (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - streamlined sampler with over 200 instruments
B4 II (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#)* - the award-winning tonewheel organ emulation
FM7 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - radically expanded FM synthesizer
PRO-53 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - the perfect emulation of an analog synth classic
VOKATOR (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - the new dimension in vocoding
NI-SPEKTRAL DELAY (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - unique FFT-based delay effectQ1 How long would it take to be able to find and audition all the sounds?
Q2 How long would it take to be able to learn how to use each intrument parameter effectively?, and finally
Q3 How much time have you got left? :)

Answers, please, on your death certificate..........:eek:

Frank

[Tim Kiel]

I'm confused. Is KORE just a s/w based host with a nice h/w interface or does it actually host the VSTs on the h/w as well - to reduce processing power on your host PC/MAC?

Anyone who's seen it at NAMM please can you let everyone know?

TIA

[Jeff Beal]

this is great news - perhaps we'll finally get a cpu efficient app for running multiple instances of K2 - vstack is servicable, BUT it doensn't speak MIDI clock - I'm sure NI will put this in Kore, given how many of their plugs track tempo - it make the poss of hosting a few VIs that track tempo info on a seperate computer from our main sequencer - pretty cool.

Did anybody see it at Namm??

[shadowbox]

Last year in a thread about VST hosts I said:

"I'm really surprised that a company like Native Instruments doesn't come out with a VSTi host. I would imagine if a company like that came forward and made a good looking, easy to use, VSTi host with a Rack-like interface they could sell a ton of copies."

I'm glad they were listening! :)

I just hope that NI takes their time and releases this when it is stable and with no major bugs. I was bitten by GuitarRig 2. I bought it when first came out, in early Dec. and it was completely unusable on a Mac. The drivers for the RigKontroller simply didn't work. They released new drivers and update last week that have ironed out most of the bugs but the RigKontroller still won't write automation!

It happens far too often that software companies announce a new product with great hype, release it too soon and have paying customers beta test their product for them. Hopefully, this won't be the case with Kore.

[TheLastCrusader]

NI is one of the most annoying companies going because their software is BRILLIANT and often very forward thinking, yet they have some of the worst tech support in the world.

From now on, I'm only going to buy their stuff once I know its stable, I can't take chances on buying software from them as soon as it comes out. Their track record is just too poor, hopefully in 2006 they'll change this!

-Eric

[Doug Wellington]

NI is one of the most annoying companies going because their software is BRILLIANT and often very forward thinking, yet they have some of the worst tech support in the world.I'm not so sure they have the best marketing department in the world either, considering the flap over the differences between Komplete 2 and Komplete 3 along with what you get (or don't as the case may be) with Komplete Care. Agree that their products are brill though...

Doug (Komplete 2 user)

[Nigel W]

NI is one of the most annoying companies going because their software is BRILLIANT and often very forward thinking, yet they have some of the worst tech support in the world.

From now on, I'm only going to buy their stuff once I know its stable, I can't take chances on buying software from them as soon as it comes out. Their track record is just too poor, hopefully in 2006 they'll change this!

-Eric

Whenever Logic crashes, I can often trace it back to some NI-based product....they really should stop innovating for a while and make their products as stable and friendly to use as others (such as Spectrasonics in particular).

The Kontakt browser is a horrid thing for the job it has to do.....and the essential database scan function has yet to work fully for me, which is pretty dumb for a system which is trying to establish itself as a universal format. I would use Kontakt a lot more if those aspects worked properly.

Nigel

Komplete 2 and multiple Kompakt Instruments user

[thesoundsmith]

I just hope Kore can do two things - allow sync-to-tempo, which V-Stack does not, and run stand-alone without the hardware unit; for live use it's just another piece of gear to caryy, have cables for, set up, and come unplugged during the set... That's why I have presets, so I don't need more gear!

[robgb]

The Kontakt browser is a horrid thing for the job it has to do.....and the essential database scan function has yet to work fully for me, which is pretty dumb for a system which is trying to establish itself as a universal format. I would use Kontakt a lot more if those aspects worked properly.My sympathies, but maybe Logic is the problem. It seems to me that most of the problems I read here, about things not working properly, come from Logic users.

Why does anyone bother? Escpecially when you have wonderful alternatives like Sonar and Cubase and Nuendo?

[hywyn]

Exciting indeed, although limited to one manufacturer's take on the sounds.....I'm sure most needs would be satisfied however.

Mercy me, just look at the list of stuff included with the (related) Komplete 3 too: -

NI KOMPLETE 3 includes the following instruments:

REAKTOR 5 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - fully modular sound design studio
ABSYNTH 3 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - synthesizer with unrivalled sonic potential
GUITAR RIG 2 Software (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#)* - guitar amps, cabinets and effects emulation
KONTAKT 2 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - the ultimate next-generation sampler
BATTERY 2 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - the pioneering drum sample expert
ELEKTRIK PIANO (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - four legendary electric stage pianos
INTAKT (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - versatile loop sampler and beat slicer
KOMPAKT (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - streamlined sampler with over 200 instruments
B4 II (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#)* - the award-winning tonewheel organ emulation
FM7 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - radically expanded FM synthesizer
PRO-53 (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - the perfect emulation of an analog synth classic
VOKATOR (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - the new dimension in vocoding
NI-SPEKTRAL DELAY (http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=komplete3_us&nitr=1&l_src=kore_us&tsr_id=36939&ftu=99d3a57164#) - unique FFT-based delay effectQ1 How long would it take to be able to find and audition all the sounds?
Q2 How long would it take to be able to learn how to use each intrument parameter effectively?, and finally
Q3 How much time have you got left? :)

Answers, please, on your death certificate..........:eek:

Frank

The upgrade deal this year from Komplete 2 to 3 was really good.
You should check out Reaktor 5, it's a serious kit. Forget the rest, Reaktor will keep you busy until the white coats come for you :eek:

[hywyn]

I'm not so sure they have the best marketing department in the world either, considering the flap over the differences between Komplete 2 and Komplete 3 along with what you get (or don't as the case may be) with Komplete Care. Agree that their products are brill though..
Doug (Komplete 2 user)

I forgot how bad a deal that was for some!
I luckily decided to forgo Komplete care and wait 12 months until the next update, which does work rather well. There's already too many options, so 12 months is really no wait.

Hindsight, and smart arses are a pain in the bum!

[Doug Wellington]

Escpecially when you have wonderful alternatives like Sonar and Cubase and Nuendo?Hey! Don't forget DP!!! ;-)

Doug (DP user...)

[Nick Batzdorf]

I use NI stuff all the time in Logic and it works extremely well, Nigel. It sounds like you have other problems with your system.


I'm confused. Is KORE just a s/w based host with a nice h/w interface or does it actually host the VSTs on the h/w as well - to reduce processing power on your host PC/MAC?

The first - it's a s/w-based host and then some with a very nice h/w controller that has an audio and MIDI interface built in. And it also works as a plug-in that hosts other plug-ins.

The controller lets you access synth parameters. Obviously it's set up for NI products out of the box, but it's an open system - other plugs and V.I.s can use it too.