Question for composers about a "strange use" of sample libraries

[TJL]

I hope I'll not be banned for this question but I've a problem!

Would you ( ... or did you ...) ever compose a porn movie sound track just for some good money?

Do you think that this could destroy your future carrier in music business?

Could it be enough to have a fake name in movie credits?

[dubaifox]

Wow!

Expect answers from opposite end of the spectrum on this one. Complicated topic without any real answer, but you are sure to get some strong opinions.

So much of it depends on your belief system and your attitude about pornography. Do you understand the real behind the scenes aspects to it? It is not pretty: drugs, violation of women (and men), preying on people who are down and out, in desperate need, and not really aware of what they are getting themselves into, often times against their own will, and doing so because they have been told they will be "modeling" or "acting" and that doing a few porn films will lead to bigger things.

If you can accept that you will be working in this environment then you could look into it.

As far as using a fake name, I think you are going down a path that you probably will wish you hadn't. You are not being honest with yourself. Don't do it for the money, which it sounds like you would be. Do you really want to associate yourself with this genre for the rest of your life? I think you would regret it.

I personally would never even consider it, but that is me talking from my beliefs and life experiences.

Can't wait to hear some more responses. HANG ON!!

[Worra]

I hope I'll not be banned for this question but I've a problem!

Would you ( ... or did you ...) ever compose a porn movie sound track just for some good money?

Do you think that this could destroy your future carrier in music business?

Could it be enough to have a fake name in movie credits?

If it was a 70's movie with wha-wha fuzz guitars and disco bass......
...but as dubaifox says, that industry is probaly (not that I know...), infested with abuse, drugs and a whole lot of sh¨¨t. Try reading Linda Lovelace's self biography!
I doubt that I would put up on our site that WG had been used in the latest "what-ever-the-big-porn-film-producing-company are called" release.

Mind you, I once played in a band that got to play behind a stripper at a biker club, now THAT was an experience.....:D We played "Pretty Woman" for about 15 minutes while Miss Stripper removed her clothes in front of 100 hairy, drunked, stoned bikers. Brave girl!

[karmacomposer]

It takes a lifetime to build a reputation and a minute to destroy it.

Consider what you decide very carefully - as you could quite possibly ruin your career for some quick cash or instant exposure (no pun intended).

Morality and ethics aside, your past does indeed tend to dictate, at least partially, your future. Things do tend to come back and haunt you when you least expect it (forget a career in politics).

My goodness, the cliches in this post!!!

Good luck.

Mike

[XanaX]

I used to play with a bass player who had "acted" (performed?) in many a porn flick. He was doing loads of coke at the time, so make of it what you will. But his memories of the "business" were not all negative.

That said, if you can make a few easy bucks, why not? You could probably string together a few Acid loops and pretty much be done with it. If you already have more paying work than you can handle, then take a pass. But it's not as if you'll get either "known" or "blackballed" for doing the gig.;)
In this age of media over-saturation, it's quite rare to be heard above the din anyway. Do it under an assumed name and chances are nobody will ever know.

And I'll assume you don't have a moral objection to porn or you wouldn't even be asking. So go for it.

And get a hefty advance before you deliver a single note.

[Tom Crowning]

[...]
And I'll assume you don't have a moral objection to porn or you wouldn't even be asking. So go for it.

And get a hefty advance before you deliver a single note.

And when you'd be a famous Hollywood composer someday you can still
say 'I was young and needed the money' :D

[janila]

And when you'd be a famous Hollywood composer someday you can still
say 'I was young and needed the money' :DAnd these days that can be considered as a cool thing as it proves that you lived while the rest scratched their hairy parts on the sofa and wondered why nothing exciting ever happens to them.

[JDK Music]

To quote my dad, sometimes a seemingly difficult question boils down to a very simple one - "Would you rather eat well or sleep well?"

For most of us, the answer is obvioius.

[TJL]

I want just say one thing that must be clear.

I've never been involved with people from adult movie business!!!!

I'm from a middle class italian catholic family. I'm not a kind of "macho" or "tough guy" : I've never used any kind of drugs (... when I was very young and stupid, I thought that I could swing harder with a pair of beers ...) and I use to respect not only women but all other people. I'm primarily a jazz saxophone player and some musicians think that I'm a little bit too "clean" for jazz community!

Sometimes ago I made some commercial jingles for an agency.
An adult movie producer asked for a composer to this agency. Now agency ask me if I want to do this job but it don't want to be involved.

Moral choice is strictly personal and it's one step further. Now I'd like to know if, in your opinion, working for this people could be negative for a musician's future in the business.

Thanks

[zvenx]

personally I dont' see if you do it under an alias, how it will come to haunt you. Well except if one day you become a megastar and your agent sells you out, but by then, nobody will really care.
rsp

[Doug Wellington]

I don't think it hurt Klaus Schulze's reputation when he did Body Love...

Doug (Never actually seen the movie though...)

[Bruce A. Richardson]

Do it under a pseudonym, and have fun, I say. You could have a good time just making up your porn composer name. Wank Freely and the Spoogettes. That will be my waka-waka porn band name, I think, hahaha....

It's not like you're the fluffer, you know? Music is music. If the gig pays good money, then the actors are probably also getting good money and the deal is legit from a business perspective. Someone else will do it if you don't, so you're not going to save the world. What's the worst that happens with porn? Some lonely trucker will divest himself of a little spunk? A teenage boy might grow a little more hair on his palms?

There are worse problems in the world. Islamic idiots are kidnapping people and threatening violence because someone has the audacity to draw a cartoon.

It's not as if musicians are expected (or desired) to wear halos.

[EricWatkins]

Do it under a pseudonym, and have fun, I say. You could have a good time just making up your porn composer name. Wank Freely and the Spoogettes. That will be my waka-waka porn band name, I think, hahaha....

It's not like you're the fluffer, you know? Music is music. If the gig pays good money, then the actors are probably also getting good money and the deal is legit from a business perspective. Someone else will do it if you don't, so you're not going to save the world. What's the worst that happens with porn? Some lonely trucker will divest himself of a little spunk? A teenage boy might grow a little more hair on his palms?

There are worse problems in the world. Islamic idiots are kidnapping people and threatening violence because someone has the audacity to draw a cartoon.

It's not as if musicians are expected (or desired) to wear halos.


:D LMAO. Always a pleasure to hear from you Bruce.

[janila]

:D LMAO. Always a pleasure to hear from you Bruce.Exactly. That's one of the best replies I've read from Bruce and most of them aren't half bad. :D

[Ashermusic]

I hung up on a guy from "Girls Gone Wild" who called me for music. I have no problem with sexually explicit material but the porn film industry has damaged too many lives for me to take part in it in any way.

[Worra]

[QUOTE=Bruce A. Richardson]Do it under a pseudonym, and have fun, I say. You could have a good time just making up your porn composer name. Wank Freely and the Spoogettes. That will be my waka-waka porn band name, I think, hahaha....

QUOTE]

I see a new thread: "Porn Composer Names", mine would be Per Vert and the Beat-Less..........

[Nayi]

Italy produces the best classy flicks in the porn industry, at least in Europe.

I was once involved in the adult bizz, mainly doing music, it never hurt my reputation because nobody cared about. "Normal" people have no idea what you are doing because they stay away from porn as much as they can.
It didn't got me gigs outside of porn, but got me money, fun and a little experience.

[Nayi]

There are worse problems in the world. Islamic idiots are kidnapping people and threatening violence because someone has the audacity to draw a cartoon.



Oh, so Islamic people are idiots?

And you call audacity drawing a cartoon which is explicitly ofensive to a religion and culture outside of your own?

[Mike Greene]

I did a couple Playboy movies about ten years ago under my real name and it didn't hurt me none. Heck, nobody in town even knows my GOOD credits unless I tell them.

I would imagine if I told a producer I did porn, he'd laugh and tell me some similar story either about himself or some friend. Consider Vanessa Williams: from lesbian Penthouse pictures to successful wholesome actress. Nobody cares any more about the Penthouse pix. If Hollywood can forgive and embrace an actress posing nude, I don't think they'll have much problem with a composer doing a few porn videos.

Morally, I find myself more bothered by scoring commercials pedalling absolute junk than I am about the Playboy flicks.

- Mike Greene

[Bruce A. Richardson]

Oh, so Islamic people are idiots?

And you call audacity drawing a cartoon which is explicitly ofensive to a religion and culture outside of your own?

Not that this is on-topic, as I merely was making an aside to illustrate that larger problems exist in the world...but since you ask...

I call it expression of opinion, no different than any other. To riot, invade foreign embassies wearing masks and wielding machine guns, etc., as a result of a political cartoon is not only idiocy, but reinforces the very idea that the cartoon sought to portray.

So, yes. The people who are responding to a cartoon by engaging in violent behavior are undoubtedly idiots. Actually, idiot is a mild word for it.

[linwood]

I did some music for "Frankenpenis" staring John Wayne Bobbit. Terrible movie, but I met some interesting and nice people. I've got some good stories out of it, but I'm affraid I'd get banned here if I posted about it. There's no good way to clean it up.......

[janila]

Oh, so Islamic people are idiots?There's a thing called grammar in the English language which gives us the ability to convey information from a person to another. The grammar says that Bruce's sentence means "there are idiots in the Islamic culture", not "all Islamic people are idiots." There is a distinctive difference between the two sentences. :|:

[lenmar]

[QUOTE=Bruce A. Richardson]Do it under a pseudonym, and have fun, I say. You could have a good time just making up your porn composer name. Wank Freely and the Spoogettes. That will be my waka-waka porn band name, I think, hahaha....

QUOTE]

I see a new thread: "Porn Composer Names", mine would be Per Vert and the Beat-Less..........

Rock Hard, Hugh G rection :D

[SyQuEsT]

I think you're able to watch porn movie without to be a "macho" or whatever ... if you're able to do the difference between the "fantastic" and the "real life", you can compose for it. Many movies of this kind are really well done and they (the actors) aren't always on drugs, ...

If you want to do it, why not ... we have (I think) one life to live at a time

[hywyn]

http://www.jasonschock.com/gangsta/porn_name.php

This site is worth a laugh if you're stuck for a moniker. Mine is: Private Hymen.

I quite like that!

[Fabio]

I want just say one thing that must be clear.

I've never been involved with people from adult movie business!!!!

I'm from a middle class italian catholic family. I'm not a kind of "macho" or "tough guy" : I've never used any kind of drugs (... when I was very young and stupid, I thought that I could swing harder with a pair of beers ...) and I use to respect not only women but all other people. I'm primarily a jazz saxophone player and some musicians think that I'm a little bit too "clean" for jazz community!

Sometimes ago I made some commercial jingles for an agency.
An adult movie producer asked for a composer to this agency. Now agency ask me if I want to do this job but it don't want to be involved.

Moral choice is strictly personal and it's one step further. Now I'd like to know if, in your opinion, working for this people could be negative for a musician's future in the business.

Thanks

My friend, I'm from Verona too, and I've the same personal and private background (thanks God, I'm a country boy...!).

But if you decide to reject the offer, please contact me, and I will do the job!:D

[clonewar]

I see a new thread: "Porn Composer Names", mine would be Per Vert and the Beat-Less..........

Hi, I'm Buck Naked..

[Mike Greene]

Dick Guzinya and my wife, E. Norma Stits.

[Nayi]

Not that this is on-topic, as I merely was making an aside to illustrate that larger problems exist in the world...but since you ask...

I call it expression of opinion, no different than any other. To riot, invade foreign embassies wearing masks and wielding machine guns, etc., as a result of a political cartoon is not only idiocy, but reinforces the very idea that the cartoon sought to portray.

So, yes. The people who are responding to a cartoon by engaging in violent behavior are undoubtedly idiots. Actually, idiot is a mild word for it.

Agreed.

Call them idiots but don't call them islamic because they're not...:|:

[Ashermusic]

I think a few more people have been harmed by the record music industry than porn. Are they really that different? Drugs and and music are in both, the only difference is which is the supposed final product.

And then there is the question of what is porn. Gato Barbieri didn't seem to suffer too much for doing Last Tango in Paris.

Tom;)

While "Boogie Nights" is not a documentary I belive essentailly it got it right.

Not all sexually explicit material is porn. "Last Tango in Paris" clearly is not. "Girls Gone Wild" clearly is.

[ohernie]

Hey if it was good enough for Zappa ... (ok, he needed the money).

My understanding is that Linda Lovelace felt safer on the set than she did with her abusive boyfriend.

I had a friend who was an exotic dancer. Yes, "they" tried to keep women addicted to coke so they would need a high paying job. On the other hand, women generally reach the point of porn stars or prostitution after many life experiences. Understand that if you were to take them out of that situation i.e. take them out of the cage, they would just run back in. They aren't going to stop appearing in porn movies just because you don't do the music.

I can't say anything about whether it would affect your reputation in the long term. I do remember hearing that the few porn stars that actually had acting talent had a difficult time crossing over into legit movies. When I was younger I wanted to do porn music and I eventually threw the idea out at a local adult store. After a little discussion it turned out that the biggest problem was going to be the long term relationship with the local mafia. :cool: I like my fingers intact. Makes it easier to play.

I'd think of it as a business transaction. If the people you are working for look at it that way, then ok. Unfortunately, the fact that you mention really good pay makes me doubt that you can get away cleanly.

Ernie

[KingIdiot]

the budgets of porn movies are getting bigger
a buddy of mne jsut showed me some pirates of the carribean knock off porn that was reportadly budgeted at 2 million bucks, with CG effects and filmed in HD. Its a 3 DVD set, and has...an orchestral score. The composer probably hangs out here, its got alot of our favorite samples in the score. Yes I was took a look at it and was curious about it... I mean 2 million bucks...CG, HD. DIALOG!!!! About 10 minutes is all you need to get teh gist of it tho.

Sample libs...bringing porn to a new level :)

maybe there'll be a new clause in liscences...."You cannot use this sample library in porn"

[Daryl]

maybe there'll be a new clause in liscences...."You cannot use this sample library in porn"

Gawd no..........

Mind you, it would mean that we wouldn't have idiotic threads about which library gets the "porn" sound right.

D

[hywyn]

Gawd no..........

Mind you, it would mean that we wouldn't have idiotic threads about which library gets the "porn" sound right.

D
That'll be East West, .....ho, ho, rang the hollow laugh!

I'm off down the pub to talk about cloudy beer and the pipes needing a clean.:eek:

[geronimo001]

just pretend it's a reallity show and go for the big hollywood lib. whit it's 3 mics ''positions'', and you could call yourself Long Down Platinum, i'm sure the producers would appreciate,...., maby not, they seem pretty uptight.

[Tom Crowning]

[...]
Sample libs...bringing porn to a new level :)


GPO = Garritan Porn Orchestra?

With lots of articulations and 5 layered moaning sounds?
How's legato?
Do I need a performace tool and how long must it be?

Questions....

[PaulR]

Why am I not involved in this thread!

:D

[Houston Haynes]

And when you'd be a famous Hollywood composer someday you can still
say 'I was young and needed the money' :D

...and add, "Besides, I enjoyed it."

:|:

Side note: there is a hysterically funny preset in XPhraze with lots of grunts and moans in one layer of the phraze generator... ("Adult Groovin" in the FX bank)

[Doug Wellington]

You could have a good time just making up your porn composer name.Dick N. Cider

[Doug Wellington]

That'll be East West, .....ho, ho, rang the hollow laugh!But for porn, shouldn't it be North South? ;)

[Steve_Karl]

If it was a 70's movie with wha-wha fuzz guitars and disco bass......
...but as dubaifox says, that industry is probaly (not that I know...), infested with abuse, drugs and a whole lot of sh¨¨t. Try reading Linda Lovelace's self biography!
I doubt that I would put up on our site that WG had been used in the latest "what-ever-the-big-porn-film-producing-company are called" release.

Mind you, I once played in a band that got to play behind a stripper at a biker club, now THAT was an experience.....:D We played "Pretty Woman" for about 15 minutes while Miss Stripper removed her clothes in front of 100 hairy, drunked, stoned bikers. Brave girl!

LOL well, we once, when entering a club gig were told by the owner, that on the third set we were going to be backing up a dancer.
Well... okie dokie fine ... we thunk at the moment.
Little did we know it was going to be a middle aged bald chubby man that painted his whole body with gold paint, wore a loin cloth and was billed as "Dancing Gold Finger."

It's still a scorch mark on my mind! Ouch!

Steve

[Danimal]

Dick Fitzwell hangs out here, doesn't he?

[Theodor]

Mr Khan Lingus

[XanaX]

Agreed.

Call them idiots but don't call them islamic because they're not...:|:


So they torched the Danish Embassy in Damascus in the name of the Buddha?



Sticking your head in the ground doesn't change the reality.

[Marko]

I disagree with what Bruce says about not being the fluffer. It seems the purpose of soundtrack music is precisely to hold up (or keep poised) the visual imagery, whether it's a porn movie or a documentary. It's music in service to the image.

Dick Everhard

[TJL]

Thanks to everybody.
last weekend I was in Austria and I didn't have an internet connection. So it was a pleasure to read your answer this morning.

[TJL]

My friend, I'm from Verona too, and I've the same personal and private background (thanks God, I'm a country boy...!).

But if you decide to reject the offer, please contact me, and I will do the job!:D

It's really a small world!!!!!!!

Do we know each other?


My friend, there are not too many junkies in our little town. We all are "bravi butei" (= "good guys" in verona's dialect):D

[Ashermusic]

It's really a small world!!!!!!!

Do we know each other?

Aren't you Fabio C. owner of a recording studio and ex-principal of a music school?

My friend, there are not too many junkies in our little town. We all are "bravi butei" (= "good guys" in verona's dialect):D

So you are "Two Gentlemen from Verona"?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[TJL]

So you are "Two Gentlemen from Verona"?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I took a look at Fabio's web site and I understood that we had opposite stories.

His family is from Verona and now he lives in Varese.

My family is from Varese and now I live in Verona.

:confused: :p :D :p :confused::p

[Nayi]

So they torched the Danish Embassy in Damascus in the name of the Buddha?



Sticking your head in the ground doesn't change the reality.

These extreme acts are condenned by religion, islamic or not. Anyone who does that is not a religious person. All religions in the world advocate for peace.

:|: