Fascinating Dept: Too Good to Be True?

[Garritan]

This promises to be one of the most profoundly positive things I've come across! (yes and better than GPOA!)

Here is something that could truly change the world for the better. Perhaps the most important invention yet.

http://www.garritan.com/video/WaterFuel.wmv

Imagine the possibilities!

Gary Garritan

[tgfoo]

If this actually pans out, it could be the greatest thing ever. Imagine filling up your tank by funneling water into your car when it rains :eek: . Though, it wouldn't surprise me if the Oil companies do their best to bury this before anything good comes of it... :rolleyes:

[etLux]

You keep hearing about things like this every few years.

And then -- silence.

Makes ya wonder...

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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[Styxx]

Sure, that's OK until some wiseguy comes along and turns all the water into wine! :D

[Reegs]

Here's Klein's website.

http://hytechapps.com/index.html

[rwayland]

I remember an old movie or tv show about such a thing. The inventor is supposed to have driven his car up the steps of the capitol to get attention. The end? He and invention disappear. In more recent years, I recall a great notoriety about cold fusion, which was quickly shown to be fallacious. Perhaps somebody has achieved cold fusion and will put it in my car?


Richard

[Danimal]

But we all know that water is so bad for the environment. What a jerk! :)

[etLux]

Sure, that's OK until some wiseguy comes along and turns all the water into wine! :D
Ah. Well. We all know what happened
to that poor fellow...

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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[Christopher Duncan]

Perhaps somebody has achieved cold fusion and will put it in my car?
Well that's fine for the winter, but what about summer driving conditions? :)

[Paul Blankenau]

You put water in, add a fairly small amount of energy, get a bunch of energy out, and have water left over. Sounds like a perpetual motion machine. But then they apparently advocate using this to power cars, which means roads and traffic and noise and parking lots. If you're going to break the laws of physics, do it more sensibly. There is another alternative technology that transports the user instantaneously, with far fewer environmental side effects than driving. And no, you won't hear about this technology from the oil companies.
http://65.214.37.88/ts?t=429524911539789472

[Reegs]

I bet the oil companies already have cold fusion and hydrogen cells and efficient solar power.

That torch machine of his is only $7000. If the engine is also that inexpensive it could really revolutionize the world.

[EricWatkins]

I cant even tell you how bad I'd love to see this come true for so many reasons. Mainly- the enviroment. Secondly- Let big oil shove it. And thank goodness thier working on a Hummer with it. I just hope that they make a consumer model soon so that wealthy soccer moms can transport thier 2.2 children in rediculous roominess. :mad: Sorry, strikes a nerve with me. People want to use every resource we have without thinking about the consequences and taking no personal responsibility for our own planet. By the way Gary, I hope that GPOA WILL be coming out on a biodegradable DVD made of wheat bran:D . Ok. I'm done.

[fastlane]

You put water in, add a fairly small amount of energy, get a bunch of energy out, and have water left over. Sounds like a perpetual motion machine. But then they apparently advocate using this to power cars, which means roads and traffic and noise and parking lots. If you're going to break the laws of physics, do it more sensibly. There is another alternative technology that transports the user instantaneously, with far fewer environmental side effects than driving. And no, you won't hear about this technology from the oil companies.
http://65.214.37.88/ts?t=429524911539789472


Scientist have been able to transport particles very short distances. There is no reason not to believe that much larger objects could one day be instantly transported great distance across galaxies and beyond. The theory is that one would have to know what the object that is being transported looked like on the receiving end in order for it to appear.

[Leaf]

Wow, this is the coolest invention ever. nothing would be more timely than relief from the oil problems.

Imagine the the possibilities indeed! I Can't think of anything that would more fitting than a boat that runs on water.

[cptexas]

But what happens when we run out of water? :eek:
*twilight zone theme plays in background*

[Glenn]

I read up on this technology (called Brown's Gas, or Rhodes Gas), and it seems that you have to put electricity in to get the "water gas" out.

So, where do you get the electricity from?

Burning coal, oil, or nuclear, I guess...

[GDG]

This promises to be one of the most profoundly positive things I've come across! (yes and better than GPOA!)

Here is something that could truly change the world for the better. Perhaps the most important invention yet.

http://www.garritan.com/video/WaterFuel.wmv

Imagine the possibilities!

Gary Garritan

Sorry to be a wet blanket :rolleyes:, this is almost certainly a hoax. The laws of chemistry and thermodynamics tell you that it will take you X amount of energy to convert the water into "mystery gas" (it doesn't matter what form, physical or chemical, it really is), and that you will get X - Y amount of energy back when you convert the mystery gas back to water. (You get less than you put in due to losses because no process is 100% efficient.)

Grant

[Brian2112]

Speaking of "Big Oil's" reaction to this, I noticed that while the report was filed from Fox in Florida, the news cast is Fox 26 in Houston, Texas (My home town and also the home of "Big Oil"). In addition to Houston's Fox channel being 26, I recognise Houston's Skyline in the back of the reporters at the end of the vid. What this means (if anything) is unclear, but I find it ironic (and a bit suspicious) that the reporters seem to be so excited about it in H-Town...

[etLux]

Sorry to be a wet blanket :rolleyes:, this is almost certainly a hoax. The laws of chemistry and thermodynamics tell you that it will take you X amount of energy to convert the water into "mystery gas" (it doesn't matter what form, physical or chemical, it really is), and that you will get X - Y amount of energy back when you convert the mystery gas back to water. (You get less than you put in due to losses because no process is 100% efficient.)

Oh, I'm sure this is all based on sound scientific principles.

Unfortunately, he just read the book wrong... lol.

On the other hand, I'll bet he really knows how to write a fascinating prospectus.

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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[Haydn]

It's possible it could be real. Hydrogen releases quite a bit more energy than gasoline. If you look at rocket engines hydrogen/oxygen fuel combination has the highest specific impulse for liquid fuels. It's quite a bit higher than use gasoline/oxygen combination plus it burns clean. This is one reason that the car companies are working on fuel cells which use hydrogen/oxygen. From what it states this can be an in between solution for hybrid cars until the fuel cell technology is mature.

Jim

[GDG]

It's possible it could be real. Hydrogen releases quite a bit more energy than gasoline. If you look at rocket engines hydrogen/oxygen fuel combination has the highest specific impulse for liquid fuels. It's quite a bit higher than use gasoline/oxygen combination plus it burns clean. This is one reason that the car companies are working on fuel cells which use hydrogen/oxygen. From what it states this can be an in between solution for hybrid cars until the fuel cell technology is mature.

Jim

I don't doubt that you can weld with an H2/O2 mixture. I'm just pointing out that water is not a fuel: if you put water into the device, it takes energy to separate H2O into H2 and O2, and the energy you get back when you burn them together will be (if the process is "perfectly" efficient) the same. Since perfect devices are ruled out by thermodynamics, the process produces a net loss of energy.

Grant

[JonFairhurst]

The thing is that this is an *energy storage* technology, not an "energy generation" technology.

The news report kept talking about burning water. Water isn't the fuel. It's the ash. Electricity is the fuel. The electricity is converted to HHO, whatever that is, and the energy is stored. Burn it with oxygen, and the evergy is released, yielding water. Use the energy to power a generator or fuel cell, and you get electricty again - only less than what you started with.

The question isn't whether his technology works. The question is how efficient it is.

Right now the most efficient use of water as an energy storage device is to pump it uphill, into a tower. Or even better - build a dam and let the clouds carry the water uphill!

-JF

[dynamix]

Yeah, I've heard the whole problem with hydrogen based fuel is you've got to burn coal to make electricity to do the electrolysis... So where is the environmental advantage? Hope this guy has really figured it beyond our understanding, but I have doubts for this water fuel.

Well, maybe we could just replace the Lincoln Tunnel with a giant water chute like at Great Adventure.

It would be only a slightly more messy commute than I have right now, and maybe more fun!