MidiOverlan with a Mac sequencer?

[thesoundsmith]

I have a Mac with DP as my primary sequencer, and a 4-port Ethernet/DSL router with the other machines being PCs . I\'d love to use MidiOverlan to get 4 ports from the Mac to the PC, but the Mac doesn\'t want ot see the network boxes without Appletalk turned on, which is kind of a resource hog.

Has anyone done this, or some other software equvalent?

Dasher

[marcuspocus]

Don\'t you have TCP/IP setup on those PCs and Mac? It is all that is needed

[thesoundsmith]

Thanks, markuspocus-I may be reading too much into the process. I\'ll look into it.

Dasher

[Artspoke]

Although I\'m tuning in ladte to this thread - how are you running MIDIOverLAN on your Mac?

-James

[christian marin]

i understood, dasher would _like_ to run it on his mac - unfortunately musiclab has announced there are no plans to make it available for macOS.
you may keep track on distributed midi (\"http://www.dmidi.org\") - they seem to think more platform-independent
christian

[SteveHanlon]

But there is a recent thread where a user has announced that he is designing a Mac utility that does as MOL does.

[dnortana]

Whoever comes up with a Mac version of MidioverLAN is going to get a lot of business, I think. A lot of us use Mac based sequencers, and have bought PC\'s specifically for GigaStudio. A Mac version would fill a real need.

Trond

[SteveHanlon]

what kills me is I can\'t find the post of the guy who mentioned this utility. It was posted a day or two ago.

And yes,if it\'s a solid piece of software (if soft can be solid at the same time images/icons/wink.gif ) he\'ll make a nice chunk o\' change.

[christian marin]

marty, did you follow the link i mentioned? possibly you have FX-teleport in mind, but this is for vst only
christian

[SteveHanlon]

http://www.northernsounds.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000205#000001 (\"http://www.northernsounds.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000205#000001\")


here\'s the post by Artspoke. it\'s short but he announces that he has taken to programming it already.

I checkout the TeleFX...cool, but not what I was referring to

[christian marin]

oops, i should scroll more to the bottom ;-) this is indeed good news, thanks for the hint
christian

[Artspoke]

Thanks for the encouragement!

We are indeed working out LAN-based MIDI for Mac and PC alike. We just got our DDK from Microsoft, so our driver should be ready to test very soon.

Maybe I\'ll start another thread to talk about some new controllers we\'re working on as well. However, this thread seems to have a stitch in common. My big question about latency in this: Is the problem completely to be blamed on the samplers/interfaces, or could the controllers be to blame as well??

It seems to me that a piano has a bit of \"precognition\" in the form of the 20+ part action whose windup ends with the bang. Our current MIDI controllers wait until the very end of the stroke - like a strong man bell at a fair - to determine what to play and how loud, etc. The controllers we\'re working on now start to measure velocity as the key begins is descent to the bottom. What we\'re hoping to accomplish is a controller that will start to load the samples _before_ the end of the stroke, so that by the time the finger finally gets to the bottom, the envelope has already begun, so the \"meat\" of the sample will match (God willing) the instant at which the keystroke has completed its descent.

If anyone has any more encouraging words on either account - IP MIDI for MAc and PC and/or a more accurate emulation of a controller please keep posting!! It\'s getting difficult to wait for these projects to complete!!!!

Thanks a million,
-James

[dnortana]

Hi James,

I use Digital Performer on Mac. Like many die-hard Mac affecianados, I finally saw the writing on the wall and got a PC for GigaStudio, soon there will be two or more of the beasts. Many of us have done this, including Logic users, so you will have a good market for a dual platform LAN-based MIDI application. It\'s also quite possible that if your software is superior, you may even take over some of the PC-only MIDIOverLAN market

I suggest you make it a design goal to have your MIDI-LAN package be compatible also with a PC based MIDI tool called \"Maple\", programmed by Jeff Hurchalla. (I can put you in touch with him, if you like). Maple serves as the host for an essential MIDI plug-in utility for GOS called \'Maestro\', as well as for Michiel Post\'s Bosendorfer 290 plug-in called \'Grandioso\'. Maple runs on the PC in parallel with Gigastudio, and sits between the MIDI input to the PC and the MIDI input of Gigastudio. In the case of PC based sequencing, Maestro sits between the MIDI outputs of the sequencer and the front end of Gigastudio. \'Maestro\' has recently been generalized to have important functionality for any library (e.g. a legato tool), and I now consider it to be totally indispensable. You would lose me - and other GOS users - as a customer if your solution weren\'t able to accomodate Maple on the PC.

I\'m looking forward to your development! Feel free to contact me off-line if you\'d like to explore any thoughts/issues with a likely customer Trond@MediaMusicProductions.com

Trond

[Artspoke]

I am excessively interested in providing the most versatile program possible. I love your suggestions regarding maple and maestro - these are the types of tools that hardcore GS users need to be made aware of. MIDI is almost a lost art it seems - so many posts about more polyphony, faster turnarounds on software revs, etc., almost zero posts about what MIDI can actually do!

I got started poking down this development path when I realized that a 3 GHz PC processor should probably be able to accomplish a lot more that just streaming several channels of audio. People seem to forget that there are freedoms allowed by MIDI other than what sample how loud.

I have some work started on a patchlist generator from GS -> sequencer, and would love to learn about the finer details of how these programs handle patchlist information.

I will gladly email you, and anyone else who is interested in making suggestions, as the MIDI community is a fantastic resource for anyone jumping into application development. It may take a couple days - I\'m also working on two albums!

Thanks again,
-James

[dnortana]

Hi GAng,

Andy Hardwake from MusicLab.com just posted on the daw-mac forum at YahooGroups that they ARE developing a Mac version of MidiOverLAN, but there\'s no release date yet .... I also found out there\'s something called \"iMidi\"
http://www.grantedsw.com/imidi/index.shtml (\"http://www.grantedsw.com/imidi/index.shtml\") ...

Trond

[Artspoke]

Trond,

It looks like iMIDI only allows for one in and one out so far. MusicLab hopefully will get thier Mac version together soon. The more people out there putting together Macs and PC\'s the better the whole audio community will be.

We\'re going to keep on anyway, no release date is one reason, and the terribly interesting discoveries about the inner workings of MIDI is the other.

Thanks,
-James

[rwdelling]

Looks pretty shaky to me...

[Artspoke]

Trond,

I had a look in the YahooGroups forums, and didn\'t find the Andy Hardaway post. Could you post a link to it?

Thanks,
-James

[Artspoke]

Trond,

Couldn\'t find the MusicLab post at yahoo groups, could you post a link?

Thanks,
-James

[JHanks]

Originally posted by Artspoke:

Couldn\'t find the MusicLab post at yahoo groups, could you post a link?
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hey James,

Here\'s the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daw-mac/message/38203 (\"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daw-mac/message/38203\")

Btw, I don\'t believe that Musiclab is planning to port their apps to the Mac. Here\'s why:

Check here: http://www.musiclab.com/community/techforum/?action=ListMessages&tid=240&gid=1 (\"http://www.musiclab.com/community/techforum/?action=ListMessages&tid=240&gid=1\")

and here: http://www.musiclab.com/community/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11&sid=6e44ebc29d032cd57c8cd32563d74dd0 (\"http://www.musiclab.com/community/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11&sid=6e44ebc29d032cd57c8cd32563d74dd0\")
(still no answer from Musiclab!)

Sorry, but I\'ve lost confidence in Musiclab plans at this point. I think that only someone with a good business understanding about this need deserves to capture this market at this time.

In another words: GO FOR IT!

Thanks,

JHanks. images/icons/cool.gif

[Nick Batzdorf]

Artspoke spake:

Our current MIDI controllers wait until the very end of the stroke - like a strong man bell at a fair - to determine what to play and how loud, etc. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I just checked, and my Kurzweil K2500 triggers before the bottom the travel. You can see the meters lighting up on the mixer before the bonk when the key hits the bottom.