Cubase 4 ?

[Doralin]

I caught the information of Cubase 4 at http://andremoroe.com/cubase/Cubase_4_pictures.html

I don't know whether it's a fact or not, but a brochure at the bottom of that page says "Dynamic MIDI Articulation of Notation Symbols for use with virtual orchestra libraries". Does somebody Know about this ? Is it like that of Overture4 or Finale's Human Playback ? If Cubase and GPO are integrated, I'll feel very happy.

[Aziraphal]

Hm, we shall have to wait and see. Sounds exciting. And expensive :)

[L0W]

I believe you'll find that there is a press release and feature list out there on Cubase 4 that are a hoax. There is supposed to be a new version of Cubase 4SX coming in October, whether what's above is the hoax version or the real thing I don't know. I will say though that it would be unlike Steinberg to release an 'all the answers to our dreams' version 4 (else where is version 5 going to come from).

For a moment I was horrified by the Control Room screenshot - it reminded me of why I moved off of Logic and into Cubase VST in the first place - the dreaded Logic 'Environment' window used to fill me with dread of the knowledge that it was going to be completely hit or miss whether I was going to make Logic make any noise at all on a particular day.

[Aziraphal]

Damn :) Fell for it...

There's truly lots of discussions around the world whether the press release is a fake. What's this, an audio producer's special episode of X files? :)

[Pingu]

Computer Music Magazine has quite a lengthy article on the upcoming release. The SX in the title is apparently going to be dropped. I didn't read anything about Dynamic MIDI articulation of notation symbols, but Computer Music isn't really aimed at the virtual orchestra crowd, so maybe they left it out.

[Doralin]

I hope this information isn't a hoax :confused:

BTW, the number of pendulums at the Steinberg's site dropped off to two from three this morning. It seems that we have to wait a few more days to get the official information.

[dko22]

"Dynamic MIDI Articulation of Notation Symbols for use with virtual orchestra libraries"
have to confess I don't fully understand this. If it's notation symbols then there must be some notation built in for it to articulate. Does that mean that the notation in Cubase will be completely overhauled and improved? Surely not to the extent of it being of a standard rivalling overture,Finale etc? But then perhaps it's just a hoax.

[Aziraphal]

"Cubase 4" sections have appeared on the Cubase.net forum. If this is a hoax it's the most elaborate one since the moon landings :))

[L0W]

I think the suggestion of 'hoax' is in the feature list, rather than the existence of a new version. The allegation is that a press release containing the feature list was 'enhanced' and re-circulated. Still what do I know...

[Doralin]

Steinberg announced Cubase 4 today. But new score editor seems to be able to edit only MIDI CC. They say "The amazing MIDI Meaning feature translates notation symbols into MIDI parameters and offers a quick-audition function."
I wish I could get notation symbols which stand for keyswitches and so on to control GPO.

[Houston Haynes]

But new score editor seems to be able to edit only MIDI CC.

How do you know? Have you tried it?

[Doralin]

How do you know? Have you tried it?

No, I haven't tried yet. Just a guess by reading the articles and watching the videos of Steinberg's official website which were uploaded yesterday.

[dko22]

I can't see anything in the description of the features in the score editor to suggest that it is a major upgrade to compete with proper notation software (though putting the full version into Studio 4 is at least welcomed)

[Houston Haynes]

I can't see anything in the description of the features in the score editor to suggest that it is a major upgrade to compete with proper notation software (though putting the full version into Studio 4 is at least welcomed)

Are you serious? Until Sibelius and Finale come up with non-destructive waveform editing, non-linear song restructuring (like Cubase's play order track), integration of hardware effects, video editing support, and surround mixing, I think we should all tone down the rhetoric.

I use the Score Editor in Nuendo 3 all the time to print out parts for players to use in the studio (and sometimes on set). To have the ergonomics improvements they promise, the classical and jazz fonts, plus staff presets connected to sound frame and track presets - that's a total game-changer. Remember, this is *not* about producing engraver-quality sheet music, this is about getting charts into the hands of musicians.

Major Score Editor Enhancements

The Score Editor in Cubase 4 has seen a major redesign, including many usability and workflow improvements as well as new features. Composers don’t despair! None of the existing functions have been lost. All functions from previous versions are still available, albeit in different places.
Here’s just a brief overview:


* The Score menu is now slimmer and better organized. Some functions are now available via dedicated context menus and therefore easier to use
* The symbol palettes have their own freely configurable “inspector” which is organized in tabs – similar to the track inspector
* All preferences have been combined into a single “main” score settings dialog
* The Drum settings are now part of the main Drum Map Setup
* Cubase 4 now offers two additional high-quality score fonts: “Jazz” and “Classical”. The original Cubase font is now available as “Legacy” font.

http://www.steinberg.net/typo3temp/pics/b46ccc6488.jpg

[dko22]

of course I've seen the blurb --I merely assume that you can't approach composition in Cubase on the basis of notation first -- ie that you play or write in the notes, write the dynamics, articulations, rits etc directly onto the score and they will play back as written. I'd be delighted if I'm wrong as it would be so much easier just to use Cubase for everything!

[Doralin]

* The Score menu is now slimmer and better organized. Some functions are now available via dedicated context menus and therefore easier to use
* The symbol palettes have their own freely configurable “inspector” which is organized in tabs – similar to the track inspector
* All preferences have been combined into a single “main” score settings dialog
* The Drum settings are now part of the main Drum Map Setup
* Cubase 4 now offers two additional high-quality score fonts: “Jazz” and “Classical”. The original Cubase font is now available as “Legacy” font.

I, as a Cubase user, am very happy when I read this at Steinberg's site, BUT, I, as an Overture4 user, am very dissatisfied because I got excited for nothing and placed too much expectation on it.

My poor English writing might cuase unnecessary conflict, so I'll stand back from here for the meantime.

[Houston Haynes]

I merely assume that you can't approach composition in Cubase on the basis of notation first

As Doralin so aptly points out, we'll all have to see how well their design (and marketing) matches up to the actual implementation - but things are pointing in the right direction. Since Cubase was designed as a sequencer first, I doubt that they'd go as far as notation-only users would like. However, I'd love to be able to open an empty project, go to the Score Editor, open up a multi-track preset for GPO and start dropping my sketches directly onto the virtual page - that could be incredibly fast.

[engson]

The manuals for Cubase 4 and Cubase Studio are online now.
Maybe we can find some more answers there (have not checked yet...):

http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=55200

[marce]

Not cubase user, not yet at least, just curious. Looking the manual (ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Cubase_Studio_4/Docs_English/Operation_Manual.pdf)

i quote this from the "Midi Meaning" section:

The MIDI Meaning function interprets note symbols and
dynamics, affecting the length and velocity of notes during
playback. This means you can play back your score and
hear all accents and dynamics you have added.

As you can see, the dialog lists all note symbols and static
dynamic symbols to the left. To the right are two columns,
allowing you to specify in which way each symbol should
affect the length and velocity of the notes as they are
played back

What i understand is that dynamics symbols are played, but appear they are only related to velocity and lenght, and cant be changed to other CC. Maybe im wrong, but what i understood from the manual. I dont found there any mention to any kind of sample library, either.