Not sure I am in love with TBO [Archive]

Rob Elliott

07-20-2006, 12:26 AM

My first impressions on this piano were 'ok'. Had a project I needed an 'aggressive' piano on so I purchased it (with so many vel levels recorded).

But I was really hoping for the real mellow dark brooding sound (without being 'muddy') as well (with the lowest recorded samples). However, I find 'most' of the sample velocity levels to have what I describe as 'clunkiness' or where you 'hear' too much of the hammer sound.

Is anyone else have this problem?

My controller is the very nice and weighted Yamaha S90 ES.

Any suggestions for anyone on how to get this sound from this piano. If not - any recommedations?

Rob

MMcD

07-20-2006, 12:52 AM

Sounds like 7CG or Black Grand are closer to what you were after. 7CG is the same piano as TBO but the capsules are further away from the hammers.

White Grand and TBO are close miced and cut though very well in a mix but this is not how classical piano is usually recorded.

Len

07-20-2006, 11:00 AM

Agree - the Black Grand may be more suited. I have it and it is my fave of all the sampled pianos I have.

Worra

07-20-2006, 11:47 AM

My first impressions on this piano were 'ok'. Had a project I needed an 'aggressive' piano on so I purchased it (with so many vel levels recorded).

But I was really hoping for the real mellow dark brooding sound (without being 'muddy') as well (with the lowest recorded samples). However, I find 'most' of the sample velocity levels to have what I describe as 'clunkiness' or where you 'hear' too much of the hammer sound.

Is anyone else have this problem?

My controller is the very nice and weighted Yamaha S90 ES.

Any suggestions for anyone on how to get this sound from this piano. If not - any recommedations?

Rob

Hi Rob.

Contact me at per@sampletekk.com and we'll work something out.

Rob Elliott

07-20-2006, 12:49 PM

Thanks MMcd and Len for the Black Grand recommendation.

Also thanks worra for the post - I just sent you an email.

All the best,

Rob

Alexcremers

07-20-2006, 06:04 PM

But I was really hoping for the real mellow dark brooding sound (without being 'muddy') as well (with the lowest recorded samples). However, I find 'most' of the sample velocity levels to have what I describe as 'clunkiness' or where you 'hear' too much of the hammer sound.

Is anyone else have this problem?

The problem I have with TBO (regular) is, when I play mellow, some velocities reveal a certain mechanical artifact at the beginning of the note. Very disturbing when you play a repetitive sequence. Is that what you mean, Rob?

Alex

Worra

07-20-2006, 06:25 PM

The problem I have with TBO (regular) is, when I play mellow, some velocities reveal a certain mechanical artifact at the beginning of the note. Very disturbing when you play a repetitive sequence. Is that what you mean, Rob?

Alex

Hi Alex.

Could you send me a mp3 together with a MIDI file that shows the problem?
You can mail it to per@sampletekk.com

Rob Elliott

07-20-2006, 06:53 PM

Agree - the Black Grand may be more suited. I have it and it is my fave of all the sampled pianos I have.

Hi Len,

Checked out the BG demos and this is perfect for the current project. Thanks for the recommendation.

Rob

Worra

07-20-2006, 06:57 PM

Hi Len,

Checked out the BG demos and this is perfect for the current project. Thanks for the recommendation.

Rob

Hi Rob.

Great!
There probably be a project in the future where TBO fits in!

Alexcremers

07-20-2006, 07:50 PM

Could you send me a mp3 together with a MIDI file that shows the problem?
You can mail it to per@sampletekk.com

Wouldn't the exact name of the samples in question be more helpful?

Alex

Rob Elliott

07-20-2006, 09:19 PM

Hi Rob.

Great!
There probably be a project in the future where TBO fits in!

Future - nothing - I just did this project with TBO and the client was VERY pleased.

http://www.robelliottmusic.com/mp3s/Contemporary%20-%20Jazz/Billy%20Mudpuddle.mp3

For this genre, I don't think TBO has an equal.:)

Thanks for your follow up Worra.

Rob

Rob Elliott

07-21-2006, 02:37 PM

Hi Worra,

Just picked up the "Black Grand". This is EXACTLY what the project needed. I am not sure how I missed this excellent piano when it was first released.

All the best,

Rob

Worra

07-21-2006, 03:46 PM

Hi Worra,

Just picked up the "Black Grand". This is EXACTLY what the project needed. I am not sure how I missed this excellent piano when it was first released.

All the best,

Rob

Great! I'm glad that you found the right piano for the right project!

Rob Elliott

07-21-2006, 03:54 PM

Thanks for all your follow up service and advice Worra.

All the best,

Rob

Steve_Karl

07-22-2006, 10:22 AM

If you have an S90 then you should listen to Ivory's Yamaha demo.

jloeb

07-22-2006, 10:51 AM

Future - nothing - I just did this project with TBO and the client was VERY pleased.

http://www.robelliottmusic.com/mp3s/Contemporary%20-%20Jazz/Billy%20Mudpuddle.mp3

For this genre, I don't think TBO has an equal.:)

Thanks for your follow up Worra.

Rob

Rob,
What are you using in that piece in addition to TBO? (I assume the guitar is live.) Great playing.

Rob Elliott

07-23-2006, 11:57 PM

Yea - Craig Sharmat helped me out on that project (highly recommended for anyone that needs a live guitar. Craig's fast and professional.) The brushes are Brushes Artistry - running in RMX. Simple stock upright bass for a Roland card I think. Vocal are VOTA (gotch ya;)

Rob

Len

07-24-2006, 07:03 AM

Yea - Craig Sharmat helped me out on that project (highly recommended for anyone that needs a live guitar. Craig's fast and professional.) The brushes are Brushes Artistry - running in RMX. Simple stock upright bass for a Roland card I think. Vocal are VOTA (gotch ya;)

Rob

HOLY COW! I thought everything was live!!! 10 years ago no one would have said it would have been possible to do this.

Amazing work.

Worra

07-24-2006, 05:12 PM

Rob: Totally amazing! Thanks for using our instruments in sutch a great way!