Sibelius GPO Edition [Archive] - northernsounds.com

Nick Care

09-22-2005, 06:34 PM

Hi,

I have just seen on the Sibelius site that Sibelius 4 will be producing a GPO add on. This sounds like a GREAT idea! :)

:( However!!!...it does say that you will need to buy a new version of GPO to use with Sibelius (even if you already own it) which seams a bit of a disapointment to say the least!

Has anyone heard of any further details about this & whether GJ&BB or AGPO will be included in the near future?

Thanks,

Nick

robjohn

09-22-2005, 06:59 PM

:( However!!!...it does say that you will need to buy a new version of GPO to use with Sibelius (even if you already own it) which seams a bit of a disapointment to say the least!

...though it does say there'll be a special price for those of us already with GPO.

My one big question: where's the realtime control and EDITING over expression (for example, using the Mod wheel) that to me defines what makes GPO so special? It looks to me like this version merely offers playback of the score's articulations, with no option for the user inputting this stuff live using "Live Playback", etc. and then editing it accurately after the fact (though someone please correct me if I'm wrong!) Of course, such functionality is already available (and then some) in Overture 4 (though I'm admittedly waiting for the Mac version of the latter to fully dive in!)
- robjohn

KeithW

09-22-2005, 08:25 PM

Garritan

09-22-2005, 09:09 PM

Ok, Gary, or whoever knows, please spill the beans...
Is this "special edition" a special player that will be able to play the entire library (including the upcoming J&BB and GPOA) or will this be a package that is not compatible with the existing libraries. If it's the latter, it's not much good to those of us who already have (or will have shortly) the whole enchilada.

Yes, there is a new "special edition" of GPO for Sibelius!

This version is optimized for Sibelius 4 and takes advantage of the features of Sibelius. Existing GPO users will be able to download an upgrade for a nominal fee (which will include an improved Native Instruments Kontakt Player).

I'll post more details tomorrow.

Gary Garritan

atonal

09-22-2005, 09:13 PM

Yes, there is a new "special edition" of GPO for Sibelius!

This version is optimized for Sibelius 4 and takes advantage of the features of Sibelius. Existing GPO users will be able to download an upgrade for a nominal fee (which will include an improved Native Instruments Kontakt Player).

I'll post more details tomorrow.

Gary Garritan

Sounds interesting, however, I already jumped over to Overture 4 last week.

-- atonal

rwayland

09-22-2005, 09:25 PM

Yes, there is a new "special edition" of GPO for Sibelius!

This version is optimized for Sibelius 4 and takes advantage of the features of Sibelius. Existing GPO users will be able to download an upgrade for a nominal fee (which will include an improved Native Instruments Kontakt Player).

I'll post more details tomorrow.

Gary Garritan

Well, very interestsing. But for me, not yet upgraded to Sibelius 4, the additional cost of the Sib GPO will be very important. Also, I am not sure if I will need to upgrade my computer system, which I am not likely to do now.

Richard

KeithW

09-22-2005, 09:47 PM

Yes, there is a new "special edition" of GPO for Sibelius!

This version is optimized for Sibelius 4 and takes advantage of the features of Sibelius. Existing GPO users will be able to download an upgrade for a nominal fee (which will include an improved Native Instruments Kontakt Player).

I'll post more details tomorrow.

Gary Garritan
I guess congratulations are in order, Gary. You've scored the "trifecta-" Sibelius, Finale, and Overture. This guarantees that Garritan Libraries will be ubiquitous. Thanks again for all you folks do.

Keith W.

loogoo

09-22-2005, 10:15 PM

Welcome to GPO Universe! :D

Nick Care

09-23-2005, 12:24 PM

Is there likely to be be a special optimized version of GJBB for Sib on the horizon?

From what I've read on the Sib. site, each 'add on' will only work within Sib & so it will be necessary to buy the regular GPO/GJBB versions in order to have the use of these in both Sib & a sequencer. If this is the case, might there also be a nominal fee upgrade version for the GJBB?

If this is possible, it would be great news & a real help to myself!

Many thanks,

Nick

atonal

09-23-2005, 01:22 PM

This thread is only 2 days old, and there seems to already be a lot of (restricting) 'moving parts' to this whole process.

My choice to go with Overture 4 was probably a good ( and timely ) one.

good luck,

-- atonal

Robert P

09-23-2005, 07:43 PM

This version is optimized for Sibelius 4 and takes advantage of the features of Sibelius. Existing GPO users will be able to download an upgrade for a nominal fee (which will include an improved Native Instruments Kontakt Player).

I'll post more details tomorrow.

Gary Garritan
Congrats, Gary for this new deal!

I'm anxious to get details on how this is implemented in Sib 4. Then, I'm sure an even more interesting comparison Sib4/Finale 2006 will take place.
End users will continue to benefit from the 2 titans' battle over the coming years!

Robert

Fabio

09-23-2005, 08:22 PM

Congratulations Gary, for the new excellent eveidence of your success in creating a new standard, a new benchmark for basic orchestral sound source.

Now you rule the Notation market, providing sound engine for the best musical software of ever (Overture, Finale and Sibelius, wow!)

Brilliant!

rpearl

09-23-2005, 11:42 PM

Congrats, Gary for this new deal!

I'm anxious to get details on how this is implemented in Sib 4. Then, I'm sure an even more interesting comparison Sib4/Finale 2006 will take place.
End users will continue to benefit from the 2 titans' battle over the coming years!

Robert

For anyone who has ever wondered if competition is good for the consumer, this is the answer - yes. Three fine programs, each vying for the limited $ that musicians have to spend. We really benefit from this. Especially now that GPO is a full player with all three.

Way to go, Gary! Just shows the power of a great program - no one, or at least no notation program can resist it!

R. Pearl

BlueMax

09-24-2005, 01:41 AM

WOW! Can't wait to hear about the deal!!

Improved Kontat too? How so?

steve martin

09-24-2005, 10:32 AM

Garritan

09-24-2005, 03:10 PM

Well, now that's real good news Gary. The best news I have heard in the last few months in regard to Sibelius 4, besides the other functions as the video, and the dynamic parts. Is GPO advanced going to be able to be used within the Sibelius 4 NI player when that arrives also?
and...Is the legato/sustain workaround that Finale 06 has going to be implemented with Sib/GPO?...so that legato for the instruments can be controlled by a different controller than that for C64 used for keyboards/sustain instruments?
I don't know how folks knew about the GPO/Sibelius being announced before I did http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Legato/sustain will be also controlled by cc#68 rather than #64 sustain. And waiting to hear from Sibelius regarding the upgrade path for existing GPO users.

Thanks all for your words of support.

Gary Garritan

steve martin

09-24-2005, 08:46 PM

I don't know how folks knew about the GPO/Sibelius being announced before I did http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Legato/sustain will be also controlled by cc#68 rather than #64 sustain. And waiting to hear from Sibelius regarding the upgrade path for existing GPO users.

Thanks all for your words of support.

Gary Garritan

GREAT! FANTASTIC!!...I'm so glad that that [that that??!!], issue has been solved Gary. What a relief!! [as you know my whacky worakaround for creating an artificial sustain turned me into a hermit for a couple of days!].
Can't wait for the arrival of this. Has there been any news for the cost to us who already have GPO?
I also have directly from Ben on the Sibelius chat page, that a "tempo tap" type of function that Notion, Finale 06, and Overture 4 have is on their wish list.
Great going Gary!

TomcatII

09-25-2005, 11:29 AM

I was interested in this until I went and checked and found out they don't do competitive crossgrades! They only do that for "school" editions, which I think means "academic" versions. So I guess my notation quest will stay between my newly purchased Overture 4 and the soon to be purchased Finale 2006, since Finale will competitive crossgrade for my Rhapsody master disks, which I'm willing to give up to get Finale 2006 for $200. There is simply no way I'm going to pay Sibelius $600 to find out whether or not I want to use it instead of the other two and demo versions are either crippled enough that you can't really tell much (can't save things and come back and work on them later) or they time out before you get things figured out.

Tom

DavidH at Sibelius

09-25-2005, 05:34 PM

...

Thanks all for your words of support.

Gary Garritan

Greetings all - I'd like to add that at Sibelius we're very excited about this too.

We're working on the details - technical and commercial - of the upgrade for existing GPO users at the moment: as soon as we have this worked out, I'll post back here.

David Harvey (CTO, Sibelius Software)

Nick Care

09-25-2005, 05:55 PM

Hi David,

That is really great news - many thanks!

Are you able to give any guidence as to it whether it is 'likely' or 'unlikely' that the Garritan Jazz library will be incorperated into Sibelius Sounds in the foreseable future? Needless to say it would be very exciting if the answer lent towards the YES!!:D

Thanks again.

Regards,

Nick

DavidH at Sibelius

09-26-2005, 07:52 AM

Hi David,

That is really great news - many thanks!

Are you able to give any guidence as to it whether it is 'likely' or 'unlikely' that the Garritan Jazz library will be incorperated into Sibelius Sounds...

Hi Nick,

We are certainly planning to build on the range of sounds available for Sibelius, but at this point haven't made any firm decisions on what comes next , nor when.

Sorry not to be able to be any more definite at this stage!

Best,

David

Nick Care

09-26-2005, 08:24 AM

[/QUOTE] We are certainly planning to build on the range of sounds available for Sibelius, but at this point haven't made any firm decisions on what comes next , nor when.
Hi David,

Many thanks,

I realise that the world of major software projects is inevitably surrounded by a cloak of 'smoke & mirrors'.

I hope though, that a company with a reputation for gourmet quality products such as Sibelius, will behind the scenes be uncontrollably excited & impressed (who couldn't be!!) by the up & coming Garritan Jazz & Big Band library & that you will 'hopefully' find this particular Pandora’s box irresistible!

Cheers,

Nick

Graham Smith

09-26-2005, 06:24 PM

David,

This is really not a GPO question, but with the forthcoming GPO Sib4 plugin are we going to be able to access the MIDI data directly with Sib 4, as other programs do? As it is, I use Sib 2 but have not upgraded. We're just getting into GPO after having installed it a couple of months ago and having now upgraded the RAM and CPU to where it plays comfortably without stuttering on full orchestral passages. We'd like to be able to do the necessary mixing and dynamic adjusting by manipulating the controller data directly, as Cubase (and apparently Overture and Finale) allow.

Any plans for that? I know Sib is primarily a notation program, and it's a great one, but boy this would make our lives a LOT easier.

Graham

DavidH at Sibelius

09-27-2005, 08:04 AM

David,

... We'd like to be able to do the necessary mixing and dynamic adjusting by manipulating the controller data directly, as Cubase (and apparently Overture and Finale) allow.
...
Graham

Hi Graham,

Sibelius already has a mechanism for adding MIDI messages of any sort (controllers, program changes - even note on/off mesages!) to the score as text. More direct ways of interacting with controllers? Well, they've been on our famous prospective feature list for a while, but I can't say when or whether this will make it into a program release.

David

robjohn

09-27-2005, 09:27 AM

Hi Graham,

Sibelius already has a mechanism for adding MIDI messages of any sort (controllers, program changes - even note on/off mesages!) to the score as text. More direct ways of interacting with controllers? Well, they've been on our famous prospective feature list for a while, but I can't say when or whether this will make it into a program release.

David

But it appears that there's no way in this new GPO-Sibelius combination to do editing of things like volume sweeps entered with the mod wheel, which is precisely the sort of feature that makes GPO (at least for me) so superior with OTHER programs (including Overture and, of course, various midi sequencers). I really hope Sibelius offers this sort of midi editing functionality in the very near future. Convergence between sequencer and notation functionality is really where things appear to be heading...
Best -
- robjohn

Graham Smith

09-27-2005, 12:41 PM

Hi Graham,

Sibelius already has a mechanism for adding MIDI messages of any sort (controllers, program changes - even note on/off mesages!) to the score as text. More direct ways of interacting with controllers? Well, they've been on our famous prospective feature list for a while, but I can't say when or whether this will make it into a program release.

David

Thanks for the info, David. I've used the Sibelius provisions for doing the program changes, etc., and they're good, but they're not a substitute for being able to "draw" the controller voltages by using the mod wheel while playing, so that you can adjust the dynamics of mix in the final product while listening to it. I hope you'll adopt it soon!

I know there are other programs with that capability, but the learning curve is such on most of them that I just don't want to go re-learn scoring in another one. Sibeluius does what it does superbly, but this capability would give it so much more versatility than it has now with the use of hidden text to indicate program changes, volume levels, etc.

Thanks!
Graham

musical.matthew

09-28-2005, 06:05 PM

waiting to hear from Sibelius regarding the upgrade path for existing GPO users.

Gary, any news on this? I'm really anxious to find out as I'm going to upgrade to version 4 now if this is within the range I consider reasonable for such an upgrade...

Regards,
Matthew

steve martin

10-02-2005, 04:35 AM

What's going to be really interesting is to be able to use the GPO sounds directly with the Video component in Sibelius/GPO version.

A friend of mine, who produces DVD's for educational purposes mainly, and who I had written music for some of his productions,heard a piece of music that was an mp3 I had created using Sibelius and GPO studio on his I-tunes play list.

He couldn't remember if it was something that I had done...but said it sounded really professional, [and then apologised saying that he wasn't infering that my work wasn't professional [ :eek: ], but that it sounded really good and he wanted to use it [ :p ]. Yes, It was my "song without words" for string orchestra, flute and harp, created by Sibelius/GPO.

It was good to get an unintentional assessment of GPO sounds. It will be great to be able to use GPO with a video straight to score using the upcoming Sibelius 4/GPO upgrade.

GPO has been very helpful in assessing for me which passages need re-orchestrating. If it does'nt sound good on GPO, it probably won't in real life..of course, that will not be true all of the time, but you get an idea using the sampled sounds what will work.

In the Fantasia/piano/Orchestra work, when I was playing it back first through some simple synth sounds, before I had GPO, one particular part sounded pretty good, but when I played it back through GPO, sounded pretty woeful, so without GPO, I could have submitted a score with no knowledge of this "bad" sounding section...it was GPO that helped me find the holes in the orchestration, and also helped me solve it. When the section was re-orchestrated using GPO sounds so that it sounded really great to me, I must confess that GPO has probably saved me from a rather embarrassing potential performance.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to hearing the Sibelius/GPO orchestral demo's they say are coming soon on the Sibelius site.

capt_hook

10-02-2005, 11:37 PM

steve martin

10-03-2005, 08:54 AM

Any word? What would the price be for us that already own GPO and Sibelius 4? Or Just for GPO owners? I looked around theSibelius site with no luck on upgrade prices. I really, really like that GPO will be intergrated w/Sib, I hope it is a good price for upgrading. Thanks!

I have it from the man at the top himself..Ben Finn, on the Sibelius Chat Page.
He said ..."We'll annnounce it before GPO ships."

There you go...and it will be shipping sometime in November he said.

capt_hook

10-03-2005, 11:49 PM

Thanks for the info!

tboswell

10-04-2005, 11:12 AM

Does this mean that all the Sibelius plug-ins I've been writing to make dynamics, keyswitches and articulations sound properly in GPO will be unnecessary?

Will it automatically control parameters like note length, aggressiveness of bowing?

Its very exciting!!!

Thanks,

Tom.

dbudde

10-04-2005, 06:51 PM

Does this mean that all the Sibelius plug-ins I've been writing to make dynamics, keyswitches and articulations sound properly in GPO will be unnecessary?

Are these plugins available for public consumption?

tboswell

10-05-2005, 07:02 AM

Are these plugins available for public consumption?

They are still a bit rough at the moment and I need to tidy them up. Rest assured I will post them for general consumption as soon as I have tested them properly. Meanwhile there is an example keyswitch for pizz. you can use to start with on the Sibelius resources page, on the main GPO site. I found this very useful for writing my own plug-ins

Of course I'd rather get round the whole "putting keyswitches in the 4th voice and hiding them" thing if I can. So hopefully the new Sibelius addition will fit the bill here.

Here's hoping...

Tom.

Doug Smith

10-05-2005, 04:11 PM

Tom -- Before you invest great amounts of time on Sibelius-GPO plugins that may be obsolete in a few weeks, you might contact Daniel, the Sibelius product manager, regarding your contributions. He'll know exactly what's coming, and what to encourage you to work on and what to drop.

His email (from the Sibelius site) is dspreadbury@sibelius.com

divadavid

10-16-2005, 12:40 PM

I have what is possibly a related issue:

I've been trying without success to use my current version of GPO Studio v1.2 with the new Sibelius 4. I can load instruments into Studio just fine and everything is hunky dory until I open a Sibelius file...then the sound in GPO "breaks" and won't play again until I close everything and reopen Studio.

I'm on a PC. I do have Kontact Gold loaded in Sibelius 4 if that makes a difference. Anybody have fix? Is the new GPO Sibelius plug in a fix for this situation?

cunningham

10-17-2005, 09:58 AM

I believe you need to turn off Kontakt Gold in the Sibelius device player options before GPO will work. Otherwise Sibelius defaults to Kontakt Gold, which is a competely different NI player.

divadavid

10-17-2005, 11:12 AM

I believe you need to turn off Kontakt Gold in the Sibelius device player options before GPO will work. Otherwise Sibelius defaults to Kontakt Gold, which is a competely different NI player.

Hey, Cunningham
Hey, thanks for the reply. Yeah, that seemed like a good idea, but no soap. Here's what I did....I started Sibelius, turned off Kontakt Gold, turned on one instance of GPO. Closed Sibelius. Turned on GPO. Things working great so far. Left GPO open...open Sibelius....no dice.

Something else of interest....during the sound bite that plays when Sibelius opens, I can hear a little GLITCH or BLIP as it opens. Sounds to me like it grabs the ASIO drivers as its own as it is starting up. (I'm using TASCAM or US-122 for my sound...I have no other sound card installed.)

Then when I try to close GPO ...the computer crashes. On another note, GPO MUST be started BEFORE Sibelius or I get the error message:

"ASIOMME.DLL is already running" and "Unable to find driver".

So still no luck.
David