ANNOUNCING: Collaboration with MakeMusic! GPO 'Finale Version' Bundled in Finale 2006

[Garritan]

I am pleased to announce that MakeMusic! has chosen to bundle a Finale edition of Garritan Personal Orchestra with all versions of Finale 2006. Finale 2006 will integrate the Native Instruments Kontakt Player and include the popular and award-winning sounds of Personal Orchestra.

Having a computer notation program automatically realize great-sounding orchestral sounds has long been a dream of many musicians. GPO was the first sample library to make a commitment to notation users and was specifically designed to work with notation programs (See Keyboard Magazine article, February 2005 Have Your Own Orchestra-in-Residence: Turning your orchestral scores into demos with Garritan Personal Orchestra). The revolutionary GPO Studio, combined with 'scalable' ensemble building and linear staff-friendly programming, bridges the gap between notation programs and sample libraries. Thousands of notation users are amazed when they hear their orchestral scores brought to life for the first time.

MakeMusic! recognized Garritan's advances in notation/sampler technology and the choice was obvious. Working with Finale technicians, Native Instruments and Human Playback(tm), a special library was developed that is integrated and optimized for Finale 2006 (r).

"We are excited about including with Finale 2006 the high-quality sounds from Gary Garritan" says John Paulson, President of MakeMusic! "Garritan's pioneering work in notation-based sampling and seamless integration with Finale's Human Playback technology and Setup Wizard provide an exciting expansion of Finale. Furthermore, future Garritan products will also be seamlessly integrated into Finale 2006!"

In Finale 2006 the autoload feature will automatically load the instrument on the Finale score into the Native Instruments Kontakt Player (direct access and no MIDI routing or GPO Studio required). Finale Human Playback is an important part of this integrated package (Finale users may have already noticed GPO-specific menu items within Finale 2005's Human Playback menus). Human Playback imparts feeling, phrasing and nuance to a notation performance - even if notes were entered with a mouse. Human Playback has been enhanced further in Finale 2006 to provide optimization and special techniques for GPO (including legato and techniques for the various instruments). It is also able to run the updated full version of Garritan Personal Orchestra and the upcoming Jazz and Big Band library.

Here is a complete list of the GPO instruments bundled in Finale 2006:

http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/garritan.aspx

You can hear some demos here made with Finale 2006 and the integrated Finale Edition of GPO.Capriccio Espagnole – Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov (http://downloads.makemusic.com/finale/2006/gpo/mp3/capriccio.mp3)

Pictures at an Exhibition -- Modest Mussorgsky (http://downloads.makemusic.com/finale/2006/gpo/mp3/pictures.mp3)

Symphony #9 -- Antonin Dvorak (http://downloads.makemusic.com/finale/2006/gpo/mp3/new_world.mp3)

Brandenburg Concerto #3 -- Johann Sebastian Bach (http://downloads.makemusic.com/finale/2006/gpo/mp3/brandenburg.mp3)

Many thanks to John Paulson, Julie Sopoci, Bill Wolff, Jeff McGuire, Beth Sorensen, Anne Donnelly, Mark Dunn, Scott Yoho and the other fine people at MakeMusic. A special thanks to Robert Piéchaud the genius behind Human Playback. Thanks to Daniel Haver, Martin Jann, Frank Elting and the team at Native Instruments. And many thanks to Tom Hopkins, Jeff Hurchalla, Joseph Burrell, Jeannot Welter and Andy Brick.

Gary Garritan

[Jonny Lost]

Absolutely amazing Gary. Let me be the first to congratulate you on this amazing achievement!!


Jonny

[newmewzikboy]

Thats great Gary. Nice job!

How does this impact those of us who already have GPO? Will our configurations conflict at all with FiNALE upgrades? Should we install both? Are there any differences between the two versions?

[chmara]

Congratulations on the technical and marketing coup. Your attention to detail will assure this will a winner that keeps developing......

[Jeff Turner]

I am pleased to announce that MakeMusic! has chosen to bundle a special Finale Edition of Garritan Personal Orchestra with all versions of Finale 2006. Finale 2006 will integrate the Native Instruments Kontakt Player and include the popular and award-winning sounds of Personal Orchestra.

[/indent]Gary Garritan

Congratulations Gary! Once 2006 is shipped, I'm sure a lot of Finale owners will be upgrading to the full version of GPO. And did I read correctly, Finale 2006 owners will be able to order the Jazz/Big Band at a reduced price of $199? Wow!

Jeff

[Fabio]

You are always the best from mktg and artistic point of view. Nice choice, big success, NI and Garritan are ruling/leading the market!!

I hope that when you will be a multi-millionaire (more or less as Bill Gates I suppose ;-)), you will still remember all us...

No, I'm certain you will ;)

Congratulations

[newmewzikboy]

Does this mean you gave up on integrating WINDOWS XP 64bit OS and the new GARRITAN OS that you were in discussions with Bill G about?:D

[Jim Casella]

Congratulations Gary! This is very impressive indeed!

[chambermusic]

Yes, I made my upgrade pre-order this morning. I've been telling MakeMusic for years to integrate sample playback technology with Finale and they have made a smart move. (I'm sure that would have done it even if I had not encouraged them....)

I am also happy to state that come September, I'll be trying my hand at some big band music.

David

[Hardy Heern]

Onwards and Upwards......Congratulations!

Frank

[sergiobklyn]

Please tell me that you'll do the same with Sibelius?
I less and less use Finale.
Please, pretty please?
Serge

[danpowers]

As a longtime Finale user, I am delighted at this news!

Life is good! :D

[ColinD]

Garry et al. As a Finale user i say far out man. Apropos of nothing however i have to say that I think the piano roll will be the death of traditional notation software as we currently understand that. All you Finale users tak hied! Cheers, CD

[NeoDavinci]

Hi,
I'm a Sibelius user too, and I do wish it integrated a little better with GPO. Any progress on that front? And does the collaboration with Finale completely exclude Sibelius having a similar arrangement with you?
thanks,
Mark

[Jeff Turner]

I found this quote hiding in the Finale forum.

"One thing that got buried in the marketing material that's actually pretty darned important for GPO users:

Regarding HP in 2006
"Ultimate integration with the Garritan sounds included in Finale 2006 (including legato and specialized instrument techniques for harp, strings and percussion) and improved drum interpretation including rolls, diddles, and flams. Also includes expanded support for the full version of Garritan Personal Orchestra®.

Your music deserves to be heard with all the feeling, phrasing and nuance you felt when you wrote it. The new Human Playback feature will play your music as you would want it to be performed, even if you enter notes manually. And you can choose a variety of musical styles and customize the playback parameters, articulations, range,
and much more."

Sounds good to me!
Jeff

[Richard N.]

From what I can tell, the Finale website (let alone the Finale Forum) is pretty much broken at the moment.

Too much excitment must have exhausted it.

:)

[bmtl]

this sounds like a nice melody.
Will GPO users have a special price in purchasing finale 2006?
regards

[Robert P]

I found this quote hiding in the Finale forum.
"One thing that got buried in the marketing material that's actually pretty darned important for GPO users:
Regarding Human Playback (HP) in 2006
"Ultimate integration with the Garritan sounds included in Finale 2006(...)"
I guess I can start commenting on this a little bit. Finale 2005 was the first notation software to support GPO (and I believe it is still the only one). The support in 2005 was "limited" to translate Velocity and Volume info to Modulation automatically (it should be noted that this translation is not linear, but uses some special math model), on sustaining instruments. That was a first step for GPO+Finale users to take advantage of the hundreds of HP features, especially when dealing with cresc/dim/sfz (on sustained notes for instance). In Finale 2006, GPO support has entered its maturity, thanks to the constant, positive, feedback provided on this forum!

But let's have a closer look at the HP prefs in Finale 2006:
http://robert.piechaud.free.fr/Music/GPOfiles/HP_2006_GPO.jpg

* Activate GPO Support popup. It offers 3 choices, Never (=GM), Always, or Auto-Detect (default). Auto-detect means that you don't need to mess around with HP prefs when you switch from a GM-based file to a GPO-based file, for instance; it's all routed automatically.

* Use Contr. #1 for Continuous Dynamics. This option was already in Finale 2005 but has been improved in several departments (for instance, in the extreme ranges ppp or fff). The model used for translating Velocity+Volume to Modulation has been refined.

* Optimize Attacks. Was also in Fin2005, and also improved in Fin2006, including: fast staccato string/winds notes, slow pp string notes, sfz, etc.

* Best Legato Effect Using Controller 64/68. This enables GPO Legato for slurs, trills, alternate tremolos, etc. You might ask why there is CC#68 here? Because in Finale GPO, legato mode is newly enabled like that, and no longer with CC#64. This works around the long-standing conflict with the piano sustain pedal in Kontatk player. In one word, Legato on sustaining instruments can now be used together with sustain pedal on piano just fine. However, existing GPO 2 users can still use CC#64 for legato effect.

* Use Unified Keyswitches. New to Fin 2006, there is a full support for Keyswitches in HP. "Unified Keyswitches" are new KS located at the first "-2" octave, from MIDI note 0 to 11. For instance, strings have exact same KS for all instruments in GPO Finale. Unchecking this option allow compability with GPO 2, though.

* Support For String, harp and Brass techniques. This enables support for special instrument techniques using KS (or patch changes in GM). This is all automatically handled by HP based on the notation (as always in HP), and including: string tremolo, string pizz, string mutes (GPO full only), brass mutes (GPO full only), harp harmonics and étouffés, timpani and bass drum damped notes. An undocumented, bonus, feature is the fluttertongue for flute and piccolo (I will explain this later some day).

* 1/2 tone Pitch Bend Range. GPO Finale has a pitch bend range of 12 semi-tones, fully taking of HP gliss and bend features. HP bend range can be adjusted for compatibility with GPO 2.

* Humanize Rolls and Trills. Without getting too much into details, consequences on GPO are: realistic rolls for timpani, bass drum, snare/side drum, wind and string trills and tremolos, using various tricks, controllers, L/R hand alternation, etc.

I might also mention the fact that existing GPO 2 users will now be able to use the standard VST/AU version of GPO within Finale 2006, saving the patch settings along with the file. And loading patches with VST/AU is so much faster than with GPO Studio!

Generally speaking I have designed HP 2006 so that current GPO users may take advantage of all the new features, as far as possible.

Other than GPO stuff, there are really numerous general enhancements in HP in this release. I will list this later in greatest detail on this forum or on Finale's forum, perhaps in the form of a tutorial.

I hope this gives you a good overview on this part of the new toy! ;)

Robert

[Garritan]

Thanks Everyone,

It has been a dream of mine to get samples and notation to work together. The best is yet to come.

Gary Garritan

[danveach]

This is IT! The Superbowl, Olympic Gold, Mt. Everest! GPO is now the house band for the biggest show of all, the granddaddy of all notation programs. Congratulations, Gary--you're the TOP!

As a Finale user, I'm overjoyed that my two best friends have gone and gotten hitched. The future is limitless for this fantastic combination. And the new sequencer features in 2006 make it look even more like the Holy Grail so many of us have been longing for.

As a charter subscriber, I'm incredibly proud of what GPO has accomplished, and also just a tiny bit nostalgic. The whole world is in on our little secret now. "We few, we happy few," our band of brothers (of all sexes), is about to include much of the known world. Let's welcome them with open arms and show them the Garritan spirit of encouragement and support that has made this such a great experience for all of us.

[Jerry W.]

WOW!
Congrats Gary on a great partnership! You really have all sorts of wonderful alliances forming. :)

I am sold if this will be as good as it looks. I was going to switch to Overture 4, but really am very comfy with Finale (I work VERY fast in Finale)
My only question is this: I know that Overture 4 will have sequencer-type EDITING. (i.e. clicking on a measure or measures will open up a little window where you can draw in the cc data, and edit all sorts of things) Will Finale 2006 have something like that as well?
I know it SORT of does anyway - with the MIDI tool, but it is flawed when doing it in layers (at least in 2004, only layer one will playback the edited cc data) and doesn't "draw." You have to enter in values from beginning to end - VERY time consuming.
Even if it doesn't let you "draw" in the cc data, can you go back and record just the CC data (i.e. mod wheel for dynamics) over the "track" of previously entered notes in real-time? That would be time saving as well.
And lastly, does ANYONE know if they have improved the speed for OSX users? I saw they did something to the redraw screen thing, is that what has been bogging us OS X users down all this time?

Jerry Wickham

[Josh]

wow...in the presence of greatness!...this is one hell of an achievment!!! congrats!!!

[newmewzikboy]

Thats my point. If FINALE got off their wazoo and made a great CC editor where you could DRAW in the cc data, it would round it off as a nice product for rendering...

Also, as I play with GPO and make my own ensembles, I need a way of HIDING tracks under a stave w/o resorting to layers or hidden staves.

For example, if I have a violin I secition made up of 5 solo violins, I'd love to have one single line of music, but have 5 individual tracks underneath that one stave with different panning, different MIDI edits off the same notes. Yeah I can fiddle with hidden and mirrored staves, and layers but its time consuming. Got to be a better way...but getting midi cc drawing would be great now that they have a good soundbase with GPO

[Slandrom]

Generally speaking I have designed HP 2006 so that current GPO users may take advantage of all the new features, as far as possible.

Robert

This is interesting Robert, maybe it´s time to use HP now.

Can you clarify how I can make use of the coming GPO advanced and 2006?

Björn

[Pierre Laroche]

Fantastic! The ideal partnership for me! I am going to pre-order ASAP.

Thank you all at Finalemusic and Garritan for providing this upgrade.

[Robert P]

This is interesting Robert, maybe it´s time to use HP now.
Can you clarify how I can make use of the coming GPO Advanced and 2006?
I guess it's a little too early to answer!... But you'll be kept posted when available.

Best,
Robert

[snorlax]

I guess it's a little too early to answer!... But you'll be kept posted when available.

Best,
Robert

Robert,

I have decided to resume my relationship with Finale based on what I saw in your description of your NEW HP.

Please allow me to add my contribution to the chorus in praise of the new Finale/GPO combination!!
The tutorial would be most welcome...I always enjoy knowing what ALL the functions are, but I usually do not, unfortunately, have time to enjoy the thrill of finding out on my own via experimentation. :(
Jim

[Styxx]

Wow, Congratulations!
I was looking over the new "Studio View"! This would be great in the classroom.

[chambermusic]

I guess it's a little too early to answer!... But you'll be kept posted when available.

Best,
Robert


I pre-ordered the big band and intent to order GPO advanced. It would be nice to have those integrated with my Finale 2006 in the same seemless manner as the GPO lite sounds that are supplied with Finale 2006. At least, if it isn't at the onset, please work to integrate than at a later time.

Thanks,

David

[Garritan]

Robert,

Thanks for the overview of the GPO enhancements in Human Playback. Your contribution to this project has been invaluable. Your input has made for a much better product with seamless integration and what you have provided with Human Playback is nothing short of amazing.

Gary Garritan

I guess I can start commenting on this a little bit.
Let's have a closer look at the HP prefs:
http://robert.piechaud.free.fr/Music/GPOfiles/HP_2006_GPO.jpg

* Activate GPO Support popup. It offers 3 choices, Never (=GM), Always, or Auto-Detect (default). Auto-detect means that you don't need to mess around with HP prefs when you switch from a GM-based file to a GPO-based file, for instance; it's all routed automatically.

* Use Contr. #1 for Continuous Dynamics. This option was already in Finale 2005 but has been improved in several departments (for instance, in the extreme ranges ppp or fff).

* Optimize Attacks. Was also in Fin2005, and also improved in Fin2006, including: fast staccato string/winds notes, slow pp string notes, sfz, etc.

* Best Legato Effect Using Controller 64/68. This enables GPO Legato for slurs, trills, alternate tremolos, etc. You might ask why there is CC#68 here? Because in Finale GPO, legato mode is newly enabled like that, and no longer with CC#64. This works around the long-standing conflict with the piano sustain pedal in Kontatk player. However, existing GPO users can still use CC#64 for legato effect.

* Use Unified Keyswitches. New to Fin 2006, there is a full support for Keyswitches in HP. "Unified Keyswitches" are new KS located at the first "-2" octave, from MIDI note 0 to 11. For instance, strings have exact same KS for all instruments in GPO Finale. Unchecking this option allow compability with GPO 2, though.

* Support For String, harp and Brass techniques. This enables support for special instrument techniques using KS (or patch changes in GM). This is all automatically handled by HP based on the notation (as always in HP), and including: string tremolo, string pizz, string mutes (GPO full only), brass mutes (GPO full only), harp harmonics and étouffés, timpani and bass drum damped notes. An undocumented, bonus, feature is the fluttertongue for flute and piccolo (I will explain this later some day).

* 1/2 tone Pitch Bend Range. GPO Finale has a pitch bend range of 12 semi-tones, fully taking of HP gliss and bend features. HP bend range can be adjusted for compatibility with GPO 2.

* Humanize Rolls and Trills. Without getting too much into details, consequences on GPO are: realistic rolls for timpani, bass drum, snare/side drum, wind and string trills and tremolos, using various tricks, controllers, L/R hand alternation, etc.

I might also mention the fact that existing GPO 2 users will now be able to use the standard VST/AU version of GPO within Finale 2006, saving the patch settings along with the file. And loading patches with VST/AU is so much faster than with GPO Studio!

Generally speaking I have designed HP 2006 so that current GPO users may take advantage of all the new features, as far as possible.

Other than GPO stuff, there are really numerous general enhancements in HP in this release. I will list this later in greatest detail on this forum or on Finale's forum, perhaps in the form of a tutorial.

I hope this gives you a good overview on this part of the new toy! ;)

Robert

[robjohn]

Just curious: is there a competitive cross-grade offer for Sibelius (or Overture) users wanting to try out Finale 2006?
- robjohn

[newmewzikboy]

Yes, see here:


http://www.finalemusic.com/store/specialoffers.aspx

[stmain]

Wow, I just got back from three weeks in China, where I was using another computer and couldn't reply to any posts here (frustrating!) -- but finally I'm back so that I can now say GARY THANKS! As a Finale user, I'm going to rush right now and get the new 2006 edition. And thanks also for just all that you've made possible for all of us... it's turned my life around in terms of composing!

Cheers!

Steve Main

[Garritan]

There will be a free update available for download that will enable existing GPO users to use their GPO in Finale 2006.

Gary Garritan

[David_Maddux]

Gary!! Oh my gawd...!! You're... you're taking over the world!!!!

Pretty soon GPO will be bundled into Microsoft Windows. And then into our bank accounts. Then only those who have "GPO" stamped on their foreheads will be safe from the GPOstapo. From there, it's a short leap to Total World Domination!!!

:p

But seriously, Gary: way to go, pal!! What a coup! Millions of congrats to you and the gang! I can't wait to get my greedy hands on Finale 2006!!

[Xenakis]

I have not bothered to upgrade Finale since 2001 but this year I am making the upgrade for sure.
Finally Finale will allow easy and, it seems, expressive, use of samples.
Garry's GPO has really turned out to be the sucess that it had the potential for from the beginning and the sucess is well deserved!

[Garritan]

Here's a look at the Finale NI Kontakt Plater that is integrated with Finale 2006.

http://www.garritan.com/images/finaleplayer.jpg

[BlueMax]

I haven't said it for a few days..... WOW!!! Congratulations! This is simply fantastic for you AND us! :D :D

GPO going public yet? I'll buy a share or two (wish I could afford a THOUSAND!)

[DPDAN]

Fantastic Gary!

a win win situation aye?
dpDan

[brasspig]

Holy Moley! You've done it again Gary! What an outstanding combination. Look out world, here comes Garritan!

Brasspig

[DrH]

1. Am I correct in assuming that Finale will still be able to access 64 channels of GPO sounds? Will it spawn 8 instances of players (or however many it needs)? Will those players be "transparent," i.e., not in the Alt-tab cylce in Windows?

2. Did I read correctly somewhere that we'll now be able to use the sustain pedal on pianos without spawning a special instnace?

3. We will still be able to the performance to a .wav file? Will it work from within Finale? Will it work like Finale does now, i.e. without having to actually play the entire piece?

Thnx!

DrH

P.S. GREAT JOB! GPO and Finale. Who could ask for anything more? After all, love it or hate it, Finale IS the industry standard, which is why I always go back to it despite some of the "easier" aspects of Overture.

[Richard N.]

Just posted by TechSupport on the FInale Forum:

"MakeMusic is pleased to announce that Finale 2006 will begin shipping on Monday, July 25th. Reserve your copy today to get all of the goodies in this exciting upgrade. For more information, please visit www.finalemusic.com/finale "

[Nickie Fønshauge]

YAHOO!!!!!

[mikio]

Gary,

Is what you post appropriate regardless of what Operating System I use? IE: Mac vs. PC?

Mikio

[Richard N.]

Finale 2006 arrived on the doorstep this morning.

Installing....... NOW.

[Nickie Fønshauge]

Lucky you :)

[steve martin]

Finale 2006 arrived on the doorstep this morning.

Installing....... NOW.

Hi Richard,

please don't keep us in suspense! Please tell us about your first experience with this exciting new software! We're still waiting over here in Australia to receive them yet. I keep checking the Australian dealers everyday for any news of their arrival. I'm planning on purchasing something by a company called "Recordare" which will translate my Sib 3 files into XML files so I can open them up in Finale and start taking advantage of all the great features with GPO.
So,... please tell us...how did you go?

[Richard N.]

Steve,

Obviously the big part of this upgrade is the GPO integration.

All I can say is - SUPERB.

Loading instruments is as easy as you would expect, and the programming of Human Playback is excellent.

There are two things to watch out for -

1. If you have old Finale files that you have previously filled with expressions to control GPO through Finale & GPO studio, you will probably need to remove or redefine those expressions.
2. To get the most out of playback you need to have clear, precise, dynamic markings, cresc./decesc, slurs etc., entered on your score - which is what you should have any way to ensure that it gets performed properly by "real people".

Kontakt 2 also works just as you would want it to as a VST.

At this stage I'm going to say AWESOME.

I have a number of different projects on with tight deadlines at the moment, but I'll try to get a playback demo posted soon.

[steve martin]

Steve,

Obviously the big part of this upgrade is the GPO integration.

All I can say is - SUPERB.

Loading instruments is as easy as you would expect, and the programming of Human Playback is excellent.

There are two things to watch out for -

1. If you have old Finale files that you have previously filled with expressions to control GPO through Finale & GPO studio, you will probably need to remove or redefine those expressions.
2. To get the most out of playback you need to have clear, precise, dynamic markings, cresc./decesc, slurs etc., entered on your score - which is what you should have any way to ensure that it gets performed properly by "real people".

Kontakt 2 also works just as you would want it to as a VST.

At this stage I'm going to say AWESOME.

I have a number of different projects on with tight deadlines at the moment, but I'll try to get a playback demo posted soon.


Thanks Richard for the good news!
I'm not surprised that it is awesome.
Can't wait to try out things like the tempo tap, plus the GPO integration etc

all I can say is I can't wait to get my hands on this!

Yes, it will be great to hear a demo.

[mikio]

Richard,

Will Finale 2006 import Encore files without incident? Encore is a notation programme that my former school used and I know it well. However, I'm in college now and they use Finale. Will I run into any problems?

In the case that I might, does Finale allow me to scan in sheet music? If so, I suppose I could print out my compositions and import them into Finale that way. But gosh that's a heap of work and I start school soon.

Sincerely,
Mikio :)

[Jeff Turner]

Richard,

Will Finale 2006 import Encore files without incident? Encore is a notation programme that my former school used and I know it well. However, I'm in college now and they use Finale. Will I run into any problems?

Sincerely,
Mikio :)

Mikio,

The import of Encore files has never worked as well as people have hoped. I haven't tried it recently, but there has been no mention of improvements with theis feature. If Encore is able to produce Music XML files, Finale can easily import those. Music XML is rapidly becoming THE WAY to transfer notation files between different programs.

If you'd like, you can e-mail me an Encore file, I'll open it in Finale 2006, and send you a PDF of the result.

Jeff

[mikio]

Mikio,

The import of Encore files has never worked as well as people have hoped. I haven't tried it recently, but there has been no mention of improvements with theis feature. If Encore is able to produce Music XML files, Finale can easily import those. Music XML is rapidly becoming THE WAY to transfer notation files between different programs.

If you'd like, you can e-mail me an Encore file, I'll open it in Finale 2006, and send you a PDF of the result.

Jeff

Jeff,

I have the latest version of Encore and I can only save files as .enc, .mid, or .mts. I don't know what MTS stands for, nor do I know what XML stands for. How would you like to me save the file? I'd be grateful to have you open it up in 2006. Where do I email it to?

Mikio

[Jeff Turner]

Jeff,

I have the latest version of Encore and I can only save files as .enc, .mid, or .mts. I don't know what MTS stands for, nor do I know what XML stands for. How would you like to me save the file? I'd be grateful to have you open it up in 2006. Where do I email it to?

Mikio

Check your private messages.

JT

[mikio]

There will be a free update available for download that will enable existing GPO users to use their GPO in Finale 2006.

Gary,

How long does it take for you to forward your written consent to someone who wants to sell their copy of GPO Full? My friend is selling his but I'm not going to buy it unless I can gain access to downloading updates for Finale 2006. Please let me know asap. He has someone else who wants to buy it and who doesn't need it for Finale. Thanks a load!

Mikio

[Garritan]

Gary,

How long does it take for you to forward your written consent to someone who wants to sell their copy of GPO Full? My friend is selling his but I'm not going to buy it unless I can gain access to downloading updates for Finale 2006. Please let me know asap. He has someone else who wants to buy it and who doesn't need it for Finale. Thanks a load!

Mikio

Mikio,

According to the licensing agreement one cannot sell GPO. All registration is handled by Native Instruments and I don't know if it's even possible. I would urge your friend to contact Native Instruments to see if and how this would be possible.

Gary Garritan

[mikio]

Mikio,

According to the licensing agreement one cannot sell GPO. All registration is handled by Native Instruments and I don't know if it's even possible. I would urge your friend to contact Native Instruments to see if and how this would be possible.

Gary Garritan

Gary,

I'm a bit confused. You are the creator of GPO, yes? What or who is Native Instruments? I'm new to the forum and to Finale so I'm completely lost.

Someone posted your license agreement and it clearly stated that the 'end-user' had to get your written consent to sell. Or harp.com's permission.

Here's the quote:
A right to use any of the samples and sounds in Garritan Personal Orchestra is granted to the original end-user only, and this license is not transferable unless there is written consent of Gary Garritan and harps.com, Corp. or their representative and payment of an additional fee.

I guess I'm going to pass on buying a used copy of GPO. At this point I'll stick with Finale 2006 and GPO Lite. As you informed me it should suffice for now.

Thanks again for taking an active hand in getting back with new users. It can be very overwhelming to try and grasp a new programme all by yourself.

Mikio

[ffelice]

First of all -- Gary, it was marvelous to meet you in person, and to be able to spend time with you and some of the Garritan compadres at Buca diBeppo in Indy -- many thanks for everything!!!


Speaking of Finale 2006!

Make music has just issued a warning to all how install this version on a Mac - here's the text:

IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE YOU INSTALL FINALE 2006 FOR MACINTOSH!

Dear Finale Macintosh User,

Due to a problem in the Finale installer, IMPORTANT USER FILES MAY BE DELETED FROM YOUR MACINTOSH COMPUTER DURING FINALE INSTALLATION unless the following precaution is taken.

BEFORE INSTALLING FINALE, navigate to the [current user]/Library/Application Support folder and delete the folder named MakeMusic.

[Note that the MakeMusic folder appears here ONLY if you've previously installed Finale.]

The above step ensures your User/Library/Application Support folder is not deleted during installation. This folder contains user preference files for some applications. Please note this problem does not occur with any Finale for Windows installations.

We will be sending you updated installation discs, at our expense, that do not require this additional step.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused you and let us know if you have any questions.


MakeMusic Customer Support

Great discussions!

Franco

[mikio]

We will be sending you updated installation discs, at our expense, that do not require this additional step.

Franco,

When will that update be sent out? I'm still waiting on my Finale 2006 DVD to arrive. Could that update be what's holding my order up?

Mikio :)

[Jeff Turner]

Franco,

When will that update be sent out? I'm still waiting on my Finale 2006 DVD to arrive. Could that update be what's holding my order up?

Mikio :)

Mikio,

They stopped shipping momentarily, they will be sending new installation disks out that work correctly.

JT

[mikio]

Mikio,

They stopped shipping momentarily, they will be sending new installation disks out that work correctly.

JT

Thanks JT!

[etLux]

I have received and installed Finale 2006 today.

*****

DOES ANYONE KNOW how to get this set up with my existing GPO?

All I seem to be able to get to is the Finale/GPO ... not my full original GPO from Gary.

If I try to change the path to the Garritan GPO, it says it ain't happy with my ancestry (well, actually, it says it can't find a content file of some kind).

*****

Thanks!

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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[Garritan]

David,

You need the latest updates to the player which will "Finale 2006-enable" GPO to work in Finale 2006. The link to the NI site for download is here: http://www.garritan.com/downloads.html
If you have a problem with the download email me and I'll help.

If you don't see GPO,

copy C:\Program Files\Garritan Personal Orchestra\VST\PersonalOrchestraVST.dll

and paste it into C:\Program Files\Finale 2006\FinaleVST

Hope this helps.

Gary Garritan


I have received and installed Finale 2006 today.

*****

DOES ANYONE KNOW how to get this set up with my existing GPO?

All I seem to be able to get to is the Finale/GPO ... not my full original GPO from Gary.

If I try to change the path to the Garritan GPO, it says it ain't happy with my ancestry (well, actually, it says it can't find a content file of some kind).

*****

Thanks!

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com (http://www.DavidSosnowski.com)
.

[etLux]

David,

You need the latest updates to the player which will "Finale 2006-enable" GPO to work in Finale 2006. The link to the NI site for download is here: http://www.garritan.com/downloads.html
If you have a problem with the download email me and I'll help.

If you don't see GPO,

copy C:\Program Files\Garritan Personal Orchestra\VST\PersonalOrchestraVST.dll

and paste it into C:\Program Files\Finale 2006\FinaleVST

Hope this helps.

Gary Garritan

Thanks, Gary!

I believe I've got it, now... all the Garritan GPO instruments are there and responding.

The download went fine; and the NI registration hooked and verified automatically.

More down the road when I bang on F2006 for a while -- but I must say that it looks most promising!

Tech note for others doing the same upgrade: Remember to immediately reboot after you install the new player, or Finale may not pick it up until you do so.

All my best,

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
.

[Lickety-Split]

For what it's worth,
After a day of playing around with Finale06 and the bundled Garritan sounds, just wanna say that this new feature is really cool and convienent!

Can't wait to get my hands on GPO when it comes in the mail- but even with the bundled sounds with 06- it sounds really good, and it's very easy and well integrated with the notation software.

Using the expressions with the KS instruments is a thing of beauty- life is good.

[etLux]

For what it's worth,
After a day of playing around with Finale06 and the bundled Garritan sounds, just wanna say that this new feature is really cool and convienent!

Can't wait to get my hands on GPO when it comes in the mail- but even with the bundled sounds with 06- it sounds really good, and it's very easy and well integrated with the notation software.

Using the expressions with the KS instruments is a thing of beauty- life is good.

The bundled sounds are going to give a whole lotta people a really fine taste of Garritan -- they're quite good!

KEYSWITCHES...

I notice a few harp, timpani, string keyswitches for the Finale/GPO.

I assume these would likewise be usable for the Garritan/GPO?

Be *great* to have a complete set of keyswitches for G.GPO...

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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[etLux]

ANYONE KNOW...

how to get to the Kontakt player when you import a score from, say, Finale 2005 into Finale 2006?

The score imports fine. But I cannot find a way to get to the Kontakt player to set the instruments.

In a fresh score, you can get to the "edit virtual instrument" via the menu of the individual Kontakt player modules in the studio view; but in an imported score, that does not appear on the menu.

EDIT >>>

Found it... On the MIDI menu, there are selections for Native Instruments which need to be configured.

It'd be great if one of our guru's out there could cook up an importer to grab the instrument setup from prior .gpo files; but I have the sense that that might be a dreadful can of cannibalistic worms... lol.

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
.

[Garritan]

Finale 2006 has begun shipping this past week.

The GPO Upgrade from the bundled Finale version to the Standard Version has also begun shipping.

Gary Garritan

(etLux - Gald you found it!)

[Xenakis]

I have recently aquired Finale 2006. I have known about GPO since its beginnings but never used it bacause I have been a giga user. Now I would how I would be able to use both my giga libaries as well as GPO when using finale (it is the Diva libary that I especialy want to keep using). Is this possible using the Kontakt player with full GPO or do I have to pick up the full Kontakt 2, convert, and use?

Does anyone have any suggestions?

[Thad]

KEYSWITCHES...

I notice a few harp, timpani, string keyswitches for the Finale/GPO.

I assume these would likewise be usable for the Garritan/GPO?

Human Playback catches all keyswitches for all GPO Full instruments (as well as GPO Finale Edition instruments) automatically. You just have to remember a few key things:

1) For automatic keyswitches to work, Human Playback must be on.

2) If you are using the instruments in the "9. Notation" folder (added in the most recent GPO update), the "Use Unified Keyswitches" option in Human Playback Preferences should be ON. [The "Unified" keyswitches used in GPO Finale Edition and the "Notation" version of GPO Full all begin on MIDI note #1 -- i.e., the C two octaves below the lowest C on the piano -- regardless of which instrument you have selected.]

If you are NOT using the instruments in the "9. Notation" folder (or haven't updated GPO yet), you need to turn "Use Unified Keyswitches" OFF. (There are a few other important differences to remember when using the "Notation" instruments -- these are described later on.)

3) In Finale 2006, all keyswitching expressions should have their Playback Options set to "None". If you've been using the expressions in the GPO keyswitches library available on the Garritan site, you will have to edit all of those expressions and set the playback options to "None" for them to work correctly in Finale 2006. (This may sound counterintuitive, but trust me on this. As long as the Playback Options are set to "none," Human Playback will catch them automatically.)

This means that you can -- finally -- use exactly the same "pizz" and "arco" and "mute" expressions for all the strings (instead of having to use different expressions for each section), and, similarly, you can use exactly the same "mute" and "no mute" expressions for all the brass.

[N.B., at the moment, those are AFAIK the only expressions Human Playback recognizes for brass mutes: "mute" and "no mute". So: you cannot use "st. mute", and you cannot use "senza sord" or "mute out" or anything -- you must use "mute" and "no mute". This will be fixed in an update. Meanwhile, if you want to use a different expression for print/display, that's fine -- put those in normally, but also include invisible "mute" and "no mute" expressions. Also, remember that brass mutes are only supported in GPO Full, not GPO Finale Edition.]

Additionally, there are some expressions that come with the Finale 2006 default file that say that they are for use with GPO. It's a lie! DON'T USE THOSE. They are NOT compatible with Human Playback (unless you edit them and set the playback options to "None"). I don't know why MakeMusic included these expressions in their default file, but they don't work when Human Playback is on. Undefine them, or create your own.

4) The Setup Wizard now configures your AU/VST instrument setup automatically. It is compatible with both GPO Finale Edition and GPO Full. However, in order for this (very, very useful) feature to work with GPO Full, you must install the most recent GPO update after installing Finale 2006. Even if you've already installed the GPO update, you still have to re-install it after installing Finale 2006.

Remember that the Setup Wizard always loads the "Notation" instruments.

5) In addition to the "unified" keyswitches (which are designed to be triggered only by Finale -- they are not set up for live playing) there are a few additional differences between the "regular" GPO Full instruments and the ones in the "Notation" folder. Specifically, the "Notation" instruments use a different controller for legato (CC#68 instead of the sustain pedal, CC#64), which means that you can finally have slurred strings and winds and proper piano pedaling in the same file. In order for this feature to work, though, you must use the "Notation" version of the instruments -- remember, those are the ones automatically loaded in the Setup Wizard -- and you must make sure that in Kontakt Player options, the Sustain/Sostenuto Pedal mode is set to "Normal", and "Use Standard CC#7/CC#10 Volume & Pan" is selected.

6) If you are converting older documents for use with GPO AU instruments, keep in mind that you may have to change some of your channel assignments in the Instrument List. Make sure the first 8 staves of your score are set to channels 1-8, the next 8 staves to channels 17-24, the next 8 to 33-40, and so on. That way, when you launch the first Kontakt Player instance "Native Instruments AU/VST Setup -> Finale Channel 1-16 -> Edit," the first 8 Kontakt Player slots will correspond to the first 8 staves of your score; the first 8 Kontakt Player slots in the second player instance (Finale Channels 17-32) will correspond to the next 8 staves, etc.

Also keep in mind that if you had been using Channel 10 for percussion (i.e., if your score was set up for the Finale SoftSynth or other GM sound module), that this is no longer necessary when using GPO. You will, of course, have to re-do your percussion map to match GPO's percussion layout.

That's everything I can think of for now, but feel free to ask questions if you get stuck.

[Thad]

Is this possible using the Kontakt player with full GPO

It's possible using GPO Studio (available only with GPO Full) and whatever VST host you use for Giga. (Or is Giga itself a VST host? I'm on a Mac, I know nothing of Giga.) But it's not possible if you're using the GPO Finale Edition, and it's not possible if you want to use the AU/VST playback method instead of MIDI. But AU/VST playback in Finale 2006 is much better than MIDI.

or do I have to pick up the full Kontakt 2, convert, and use?

That would probably be the ideal (but expensive) solution, since that's the only way you could use your Giga instruments with the AU/VST playback in Finale 2006.

[Xenakis]

It's possible using GPO Studio (available only with GPO Full) and whatever VST host you use for Giga. (Or is Giga itself a VST host? I'm on a Mac, I know nothing of Giga.) But it's not possible if you're using the GPO Finale Edition, and it's not possible if you want to use the AU/VST playback method instead of MIDI. But AU/VST playback in Finale 2006 is much better than MIDI.



That would probably be the ideal (but expensive) solution, since that's the only way you could use your Giga instruments with the AU/VST playback in Finale 2006.

Thank you very much for your help:

1. Giga is not a VST host, but if I could convert my gig libaries, does the GPO player play all Kontakt instruments or only GPO? I would not mind upgrading to full GPO and probably will anyway now that Finale has intergrated human playback (it really makes composing fun again when notation and playback work together).

2. I really do wish that there was a "lite" version of Kontakt 2, as I do not really need the libaries that it comes with and some of the advanced features.

[Thad]

1. Giga is not a VST host, but if I could convert my gig libaries, does the GPO player play all Kontakt instruments or only GPO?

As far as I know, the version of Kontakt Player that ships with GPO Full plays only GPO. However, Finale 2006 is compatible with most NI-compatible sample players and libraries -- see here. (http://finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/nativeinstruments.aspx)

I would not mind upgrading to full GPO and probably will anyway now that Finale has intergrated human playback (it really makes composing fun again when notation and playback work together).

2. I really do wish that there was a "lite" version of Kontakt 2, as I do not really need the libaries that it comes with and some of the advanced features.

There is -- it's called Kompakt. I should say, I have no idea if it does what you need it to do (or even if Kompakt has been updated for Kontakt 2 compatibility yet), but that's something you could ask NI about.

[etLux]

THAD:

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!

Is there further documentation anywhere on the 9. Notation instruments and use thereof?

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com


Human Playback catches all keyswitches for all GPO Full instruments (as well as GPO Finale Edition instruments) automatically. You just have to remember a few key things:

1) For automatic keyswitches to work, Human Playback must be on.

2) If you are using the instruments in the "9. Notation" folder (added in the most recent GPO update), the "Use Unified Keyswitches" option in Human Playback Preferences should be ON. [The "Unified" keyswitches used in GPO Finale Edition and the "Notation" version of GPO Full all begin on MIDI note #1 -- i.e., the C two octaves below the lowest C on the piano -- regardless of which instrument you have selected.]

If you are NOT using the instruments in the "9. Notation" folder (or haven't updated GPO yet), you need to turn "Use Unified Keyswitches" OFF. (There are a few other important differences to remember when using the "Notation" instruments -- these are described later on.)

3) In Finale 2006, all keyswitching expressions should have their Playback Options set to "None". If you've been using the expressions in the GPO keyswitches library available on the Garritan site, you will have to edit all of those expressions and set the playback options to "None" for them to work correctly in Finale 2006. (This may sound counterintuitive, but trust me on this. As long as the Playback Options are set to "none," Human Playback will catch them automatically.)

This means that you can -- finally -- use exactly the same "pizz" and "arco" and "mute" expressions for all the strings (instead of having to use different expressions for each section), and, similarly, you can use exactly the same "mute" and "no mute" expressions for all the brass.

[N.B., at the moment, those are AFAIK the only expressions Human Playback recognizes for brass mutes: "mute" and "no mute". So: you cannot use "st. mute", and you cannot use "senza sord" or "mute out" or anything -- you must use "mute" and "no mute". This will be fixed in an update. Meanwhile, if you want to use a different expression for print/display, that's fine -- put those in normally, but also include invisible "mute" and "no mute" expressions. Also, remember that brass mutes are only supported in GPO Full, not GPO Finale Edition.]

Additionally, there are some expressions that come with the Finale 2006 default file that say that they are for use with GPO. It's a lie! DON'T USE THOSE. They are NOT compatible with Human Playback (unless you edit them and set the playback options to "None"). I don't know why MakeMusic included these expressions in their default file, but they don't work when Human Playback is on. Undefine them, or create your own.

4) The Setup Wizard now configures your AU/VST instrument setup automatically. It is compatible with both GPO Finale Edition and GPO Full. However, in order for this (very, very useful) feature to work with GPO Full, you must install the most recent GPO update after installing Finale 2006. Even if you've already installed the GPO update, you still have to re-install it after installing Finale 2006.

Remember that the Setup Wizard always loads the "Notation" instruments.

5) In addition to the "unified" keyswitches (which are designed to be triggered only by Finale -- they are not set up for live playing) there are a few additional differences between the "regular" GPO Full instruments and the ones in the "Notation" folder. Specifically, the "Notation" instruments use a different controller for legato (CC#68 instead of the sustain pedal, CC#64), which means that you can finally have slurred strings and winds and proper piano pedaling in the same file. In order for this feature to work, though, you must use the "Notation" version of the instruments -- remember, those are the ones automatically loaded in the Setup Wizard -- and you must make sure that in Kontakt Player options, the Sustain/Sostenuto Pedal mode is set to "Normal", and "Use Standard CC#7/CC#10 Volume & Pan" is selected.

6) If you are converting older documents for use with GPO AU instruments, keep in mind that you may have to change some of your channel assignments in the Instrument List. Make sure the first 8 staves of your score are set to channels 1-8, the next 8 staves to channels 17-24, the next 8 to 33-40, and so on. That way, when you launch the first Kontakt Player instance "Native Instruments AU/VST Setup -> Finale Channel 1-16 -> Edit," the first 8 Kontakt Player slots will correspond to the first 8 staves of your score; the first 8 Kontakt Player slots in the second player instance (Finale Channels 17-32) will correspond to the next 8 staves, etc.

Also keep in mind that if you had been using Channel 10 for percussion (i.e., if your score was set up for the Finale SoftSynth or other GM sound module), that this is no longer necessary when using GPO. You will, of course, have to re-do your percussion map to match GPO's percussion layout.

That's everything I can think of for now, but feel free to ask questions if you get stuck.

[Thad]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!

You're welcome. I aim to please. [grin]

The main differences in the "Notation" set are the ones I outlined. I've been finding a few additional differences, but they are quite minor and logical. For instance, many of the percussion instruments that are keyswitched for playable tremolos in the regular version (Marimba, Xylophone) are not keyswitched in the notation version -- because if you're relying on Human Playback to handle the tremolos, you don't need those keyswitches. I also notice that the Basic Orchestral Percussion in the Notation set omits the timpani notes -- it contains only unpitched percussion (bass drum, toms, snare, cymbals, triangle, etc.)

The documentation explaining how to use Human Playback with GPO Finale Edition and/or the regular version of GPO Full and/or GPO Full "Notation" is not very good. In fact, in many cases, it is incorrect or misleading. I have offered to write a tutorial for MakeMusic explaining all of this stuff more accurately and clearly, but so far they have not taken me up on this offer.

[Nickie Fønshauge]

How about contacting Gary about this tutorial. He has a webpage for tutorials. And a Finale 2006 / GPO tutorial would be a good thing to have, especially if it is as instructive as your posts here. Well done, my friend. :)

[etLux]

How about contacting Gary about this tutorial. He has a webpage for tutorials. And a Finale 2006 / GPO tutorial would be a good thing to have, especially if it is as instructive as your posts here. Well done, my friend. :)
Yes, yes! I -- and undoubtedly many others -- will be looking for this information.

Heck, if anyone else out there is as dimwitted as I sometimes can be... I entirely *missed* the 9. Notation -- and when I did see it, I had no idea what it was for...

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
.

[Jeff Turner]

Will there be a way to get it to work the KS when big band edition comes out?

Robert Pièchaud has stated that KS in the Jazz/Big Band will work eventually. At least in Finale 2007 if not sooner.

Jeff

[Thad]

Robert Pièchaud has stated that KS in the Jazz/Big Band will work eventually. At least in Finale 2007 if not sooner.

In the interim, I volunteer to make a JABB keyswitch expression library similar to the one Jeff did for GPO Full. [It will become useless as soon as HP becomes JABB-aware, but interim solutions are better than no solution at all.]

[stmain]

Hey Thad, thanks so much for all your advice in this thread -- I'm trying to hash my way through Finale 2006 right now (I'm way unhappy with having to re-do all my 2005 scores with new instrument/staff assignment numbers, since I barely kept them straight in my head the first time around, but I'll manage).

One question, either for you or anyone else: I just recently purchased GigaStudio 3.0 (Orchestral edition). What I want to know is, can I assign some staves in Finale 2006 to a GigaStudio instrument? I know some have asked related questions like that above, but I didn't really understand the answer (and I'm kind of a dope/newbie with some of this AU/VST stuff...).

Thanks for any help!

[Thad]

What I want to know is, can I assign some staves in Finale 2006 to a GigaStudio instrument?

Not if you are using the AU/VST setup. You can still do it the old-fashioned way, using MIDI and whatever the GigaStudio equivalent to GPO Studio is.

[stmain]

Okay, now I realize just how confused I am....

so, is there a way for me to have GPO instruments and GigaStudio instruments playing at the same time from a Finale 2006 score?

Sorry, hope these questions aren't too dumb... you'd think after all these years I'd get it faster.

Thanks,
Steve

[Thad]

So, is there a way for me to have GPO instruments and GigaStudio instruments playing at the same time from a Finale 2006 score?

Yes, but like I said, you have to do it the old-fashioned way. You have to use GPO Studio to host the GPO instruments, and whatever VST host application works with GigaStudio (sorry for being vague, I don't know much about Giga) for the Giga instruments. You would then edit the MIDI output in Finale to assign one block of MIDI channels to GPO Studio and another to whatever VST app you're using to host your Giga instruments.

New to Finale 2006, if you are only using GPO (or other other NI-compatible VST instruments), you can load them directly into Finale without having to go through a separate VST host application like GPO Studio. This is much nicer than the old way -- but the downside is, with the new method, you can't mix and match with other VST hosts, MIDI (internal or external), etc. Again, with the new method, you can only load NI-compatible VST (or AU, on Mac) instruments. You have to choose either MIDI or VST/AU instrument playback -- not both.

One alternative would be to get the full version of Kontakt and convert your Giga instruments to Kontakt format. Or just stick with the old method of using MIDI to drive VST host apps.

Here is a list of instrument libraries and samplers that can be loaded directly into Finale without using a VST/AU host app:

http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/nativeinstruments.aspx

[stmain]

Thanks Thad!

And now, another question for anybody (I'm monopolizing poor Thad here)... I'm just now playing around with a NEW file in Finale 2006 (meaning, not imported from 2005), and I DO have the update so that I can use the full version of GPO. But now I'm noticing that even though I've set a "forte" expression marking at the beginning of the score in every staff, the opening flute is playing with the mod wheel pretty much flat on the bottom. It's not paying attention to my expressions. I tried redefining the forte expression for "none" in playback effect, but it didn't help. How to hear things louder?

[Thad]

Thanks Thad!

And now, another question for anybody (I'm monopolizing poor Thad here)... I'm just now playing around with a NEW file in Finale 2006 (meaning, not imported from 2005), and I DO have the update so that I can use the full version of GPO. But now I'm noticing that even though I've set a "forte" expression marking at the beginning of the score in every staff, the opening flute is playing with the mod wheel pretty much flat on the bottom. It's not paying attention to my expressions. I tried redefining the forte expression for "none" in playback effect, but it didn't help. How to hear things louder?

Do you have Human Playback turned on? Is it set to Auto-Detect GPO? Do you have "Use Standard Volume & Pan" turned on? Have you tried adjusting the master volume in the mixer?

Also, you DON'T need to undefine dynamics -- only keyswitching expressions (like "mute" and "pizz"). You should set the playback options to your "f" expression back to the default.

[stmain]

Yes to all except the Standard Volume and Pan -- where's that located?

[Thad]

Yes to all except the Standard Volume and Pan -- where's that located?

Click the "Options" button in the Kontakt Player. This option must be ON in order for the mixer in Finale 2006 to work correctly with the GPO instruments.

[stmain]

Okay, just found it on the Kontakt player... now I'm going to relaunch GPO (meaning the whole Finale document, since I didn't officially "open" GPO) and see what happens.

[stmain]

SWEET! :p

You go Thad! Thanks for the help...

[stmain]

Okay, now I promise this'll be my last question for the board this evening... :)

Can anyone tell me how I can "hear" the instruments play as I input their notes with my keyboard? In Finale 2005 I could hear each note played by a given instrument as I'd play it on the Midi Keyboard. Now it's silent (until I hit the playback button for the score).

Any ideas anyone?
Steve

[Thad]

Can anyone tell me how I can "hear" the instruments play as I input their notes with my keyboard? In Finale 2005 I could hear each note played by a given instrument as I'd play it on the Midi Keyboard. Now it's silent (until I hit the playback button for the score).

MIDI -> MIDI Thru -> Set to "Smart"

[ffelice]

[QUOTE=DrH]1. Am I correct in assuming that Finale will still be able to access 64 channels of GPO sounds? Will it spawn 8 instances of players (or however many it needs)? Will those players be "transparent," i.e., not in the Alt-tab cylce in Windows?


This post from DrH attracted my attention -- I LOVE the fact the NI Au player is working so well with the Mac version of Finale 2006! Excellent news! However, I'd like to run all 16 channels per player, for a possible 128 total channels. I realize this sounds greedy, but at times it's nice to have the ability to run 80 channels of individual string players for an orchestra.

From the back posts about earlier versions of Finale, this was possible via the GPO studio -- has anyone made it work via the Au versions?

Cheers --

Franco

[Thad]

From the back posts about earlier versions of Finale, this was possible via the GPO studio -- has anyone made it work via the Au versions?

It was never possible via GPO Studio -- Finale 2005 and earlier were limited to 64 channels max, and GPO Studio was (and is) limited to 8 player instances.

Finale 2006 now supports 128 channels, but as far as I know, the only way to access them all via AU/VST is to use Kontakt 2.0.

[ffelice]

It was never possible via GPO Studio -- Finale 2005 and earlier were limited to 64 channels max, and GPO Studio was (and is) limited to 8 player instances.

Finale 2006 now supports 128 channels, but as far as I know, the only way to access them all via AU/VST is to use Kontakt 2.0.


Thad -

Thanks for your last post!

I'm guessing then, that the only way to do 64 channels without upgrading to Kontakt 2.0 is to use 8 players with 8 instruments loaded using channels 1-8, 16-23, 33-40, etc. (or some combination of channels within each bank of 16) -- yes? (provided of course, that one's Mac can handle the load!)

[Thad]

I'm guessing then, that the only way to do 64 channels without upgrading to Kontakt 2.0 is to use 8 players with 8 instruments loaded using channels 1-8, 16-23, 33-40, etc. (or some combination of channels within each bank of 16)

Almost right. Use channels 1-8, 17-24, 33-40, etc. Or, as you said, some combination of channels within each bank of 16, which can be useful if you're switching back and forth between GPO and the Finale SoftSynth (for instance, you may want to use channel 10 in each bank of 16 for percussion to preserve GM SoundFont compatibility).

[ffelice]

Almost right. Use channels 1-8, 17-24, 33-40, etc. Or, as you said, some combination of channels within each bank of 16, which can be useful if you're switching back and forth between GPO and the Finale SoftSynth (for instance, you may want to use channel 10 in each bank of 16 for percussion to preserve GM SoundFont compatibility).

Ah yes, COUNTING up past 16..... goo thing I'm not a banker -- thanks for the info!

Franco

[ffelice]

Ah yes, COUNTING up past 16..... goo thing I'm not a banker -- thanks for the info!

Franco


Good thing I can SPELL, too -- arggghhhhh....... (as opposed to Styxx's pirate "ARRRRRRRRrrr")

[steve martin]

I just received Finale 2006 late yesterday.
I've downloaded the GPO player update etc. I've installed it, but having to prepare work for todays primary music classes, I have only had time to look through the installation and tutorial manual, and now I'm just about to hit the road to school.

I could see the mention of the midi tool etc. for note velocity,but I could not see any mention of how modulation [cc1] messages are entered on the score. Does anyone know how this is done?

[Thad]

I could see the mention of the midi tool etc. for note velocity,but I could not see any mention of how modulation [cc1] messages are entered on the score. Does anyone know how this is done?

Steve,

I really strongly recommend turning on Human Playback and letting it handle this sort of thing for you, rather than trying to enter CC1 data manually -- which you CAN do, via the MIDI tool, but why bother? Try Human Playback first, it's great.

[steve martin]

Thank you for that info Thad,

It won't be probably till this weekend that I get to actually sit down and start working with Finale, but that info will certainly help a lot.

[steve martin]

Another thing that is not entirely clear to me is this..
when I open a new score in Finale 2006 with the installation wizard, I now have two choices - Finale GPO, or the ordinary GPO.
With Finale GPO, you can have the piano play with sustain mode - C64, and the strings. ww, etc with C68.
Now that means if I use the strings,ww etc from Finale using C68 mode, and Piano from Finale, using the C64 mode, thats fine - great!
But what happens if I decided to add some lush strings, or some of the other extras found in normal GPO that are not in the Finale GPO. What will control their legato? C64?..if that is the case, you could only have the strings etc from the Finale GPO playing legato, with the piano on sustain etc, but not the ordinary GPO sounds using legato, as the same conflict that existed on the orginal GPO player will come into action again here[or will it?..]
Is that correct - because that means when using the piano for a part, you can only use the Finale GPO sounds with legato 68 mode, and not the ordinary GPO sounds. Or are the usual sounds from the original GPO loaded into the "Finale GPO" player, which means that all of the strings,ww,brass etc from both Finale and the original GPO can now have their legato controlled by C68 instead, making legato instruments and the piano compatible to all instruments in Finale 2006?
Am I right or wrong?
thanks for any info...

[Thad]

But what happens if I decided to add some lush strings, or some of the other extras found in normal GPO that are not in the Finale GPO. What will control their legato?

All of the instruments from the "Notation" folder use CC#64 for sustain and CC#68 for legato. [These are the instruments that are loaded by default by Finale's Setup Wizard.]

Or are the usual sounds from the original GPO loaded into the "Finale GPO" player, which means that all of the strings,ww,brass etc from both Finale and the original GPO can now have their legato controlled by C68 instead, making legato instruments and the piano compatible to all instruments in Finale 2006?

Steve -- as I said in the other thread, there is no such thing as the "Finale GPO Player." There is the "Finale GPO Edition" (which you don't need, if you have GPO Full) and the new Native Instruments AU/VST plyaback configuration, which is a method of loading instruments (such as GPO instruments, but it supports most NI-compatible sample sets) directly into Finale.

So, to recap -- all of the GPO Full instruments in the "Notation" folder have legato on CC#68, and provided you have the Kontakt Player set to "Normal" sustain operation and your Human Playback options set correctly as well, Finale will interpret slurs using CC#68 and piano pedaling using CC#64. That way, there is no conflict between slurs and piano pedaling.

Another difference is that the "Notation" instruments have non-playable "unified" keyswitches that all begin at MIDI note #0, and some of the percussion instruments aren't keyswitched for playable rolls (since Finale's Human Playback handles that.)

[Tsar Nikk]

[QUOTE=Thad]
Also keep in mind that if you had been using Channel 10 for percussion (i.e., if your score was set up for the Finale SoftSynth or other GM sound module), that this is no longer necessary when using GPO. You will, of course, have to re-do your percussion map to match GPO's percussion layout.
[QUOTE]

Ok, I am someone who has been using Finale for a long time, but am a complete novice regarding GPO/NI and the like. I have been searching through the manual, but have not found this...I am sure it's there, and I don't presume to take up anyone's time by having them walk me through this....but if someone could point me to the right page/section/website then I would be grateful:

I have a score (Ravel's "La Valse") that I already had a percussion mapping for of my own. Of course, everything is playing great right now....except for the percussion sounds, which are a little out of whack (triangle hits are tam-tams, snare drums are suddenly very deep-sounding toms, etc). You say that i will have to re-do my percussion maps with any older files...how do I do this? It's been a while since I set up my percussion map, but I would imagine that I set up the playback of my percussion map to match the GPO playback notes...is there a list somewhere? Why can't I find it, am i just that note-blind after all these transcriptions?

Also...and I am sure this is also addressed....what if I want to have a string instrument go from arco to pizz using Finale (2006), or have a trumpet go from muted to non-muted?

Sorry for the long post...so far, i am impressed with GPO, wish I wasn't such a newbie to it.

Thanks for any guidance.

[Jeff Turner]

The percussion instrument list should be in the GPO PDF manual. It lists what instrument is assigned to what key. It'll just take some time to make a new GPO percussion list in Finale. Just make sure you're assigning the correct note from the correct octave.

To use arco/pizz and mute/no mute changes in your playback, make sure you load the KS patches from GPO. (KS = keyswitch) And use Finale text expressions (i.e., pizz.) with no playback information defined, as long as you're using HP. If you're not using HP, then you need the "pizz." expression that's defined for DUMP playback.

Hope that's not too confusing.
Jeff

[Thad]

I have a score (Ravel's "La Valse") that I already had a percussion mapping for of my own. Of course, everything is playing great right now....except for the percussion sounds, which are a little out of whack (triangle hits are tam-tams, snare drums are suddenly very deep-sounding toms, etc). You say that i will have to re-do my percussion maps with any older files...how do I do this? It's been a while since I set up my percussion map, but I would imagine that I set up the playback of my percussion map to match the GPO playback notes...is there a list somewhere? Why can't I find it, am i just that note-blind after all these transcriptions?

Finale's unpitched percussion is a General MIDI instrument, and uses different keymapping than GPO percussion, which is not General MIDI-compatible. In other words, the MIDI note that triggers a snare drum for Finale's SoftSynth is not the same MIDI note that triggers a snare drum in GPO's "Basic Orch Percussion" instrument. You need to duplicate the percussion map your staff is currently using (probably "General MIDI Entry and Playback") and modify the playback notes for the instruments used in your score so they correspond to the GPO Playback notes, not the General MIDI notes.

For instance, the playback note for the SoftSynth's "Snare (Acoustic)" is MIDI note #38. For GPO playback, you would need to change it to MIDI note #59 (GPO's Snare LH) or #60 (GPO's Snare RH). For more info, you should look up and compare the General MIDI Percussion Map Table with GPO's Orchestral Percussion Instrument Mapping -- both are found in the Appendix to the Finale documentation.

You should call this new Percussion map "General MIDI Entry, GPO Playback." If you ever need to temporarily disable GPO playback and revert to SmartSynth playback, you will need to switch back to the "General MIDI Entry and Playback" percussion map. And if you need to edit the percussion staff of an existing score, you will need to enter the notes as if you were using General MIDI percussion -- that's why we called the custom percussion map "General MIDI Entry, GPO Playback"

Newly created scores (with the Setup Wizard) will automatically use a percussion map designed for use with GPO Basic Orch Percussion. For newly created scores, you can enter the percussion parts using the MIDI notes that trigger the correct GPO instruments (snare, B.D., cymbals, triangle, etc), and Finale will assign them to the correct staff position automatically.

Also...and I am sure this is also addressed....what if I want to have a string instrument go from arco to pizz using Finale (2006), or have a trumpet go from muted to non-muted?

Jeff gave you a good answer, except I would say that Human Playback is pretty much obligatory when using GPO instruments, so I wouldn't mess around with trying to create your own "Dump" expressions unless you really know what you're doing. Also, keep in mind that if you are using GPO Finale Edition, muted brass is not included or supported -- you need to upgrade to full GPO to get access to the keyswitched brass instruments that support "mute" and "no mute" expressions.

[provette82]

I'm gone for 5 months and what do I find when I return....Gary has answered my prayers & dreams for many years and I can't get this damned smile off my face. Steel wool hasn't worked so I guess its time for that stick of dynamite I have hidden under my bed.

Thanks Gary - you are my hero.
Paul O.
Houston/Atlanta

[Travik6]

OK. I'm very interested in this 9. Notation folder. I'm a MAC user of GPO and Finale 2006. I've installed the GPO update and had to select install Finale Notation Library in the install process. I suspect that this folder hasn't been installed but I can't tell for sure. In order for Human Playback to interpret pizz and arco I have to turn "use unified keyswitches" off in order to have pizz and arco be recognized. This leads me to believe that the Notation folder hasn't been installed afterall. When I check the installer log it shows a text file, "gpofullinstrument.txt" has been installed in the subdirectory of my Finale 2006 folder called FinaleAU.

This textfile references samples from 9 Notation. but I can't find this actual folder anywhere. What do you think is going on? Are there any Mac users out there with this quasi-problem?

--T6


Human Playback catches all keyswitches for all GPO Full instruments (as well as GPO Finale Edition instruments) automatically. You just have to remember a few key things:

1) For automatic keyswitches to work, Human Playback must be on.

2) If you are using the instruments in the "9. Notation" folder (added in the most recent GPO update), the "Use Unified Keyswitches" option in Human Playback Preferences should be ON. [The "Unified" keyswitches used in GPO Finale Edition and the "Notation" version of GPO Full all begin on MIDI note #1 -- i.e., the C two octaves below the lowest C on the piano -- regardless of which instrument you have selected.]

If you are NOT using the instruments in the "9. Notation" folder (or haven't updated GPO yet), you need to turn "Use Unified Keyswitches" OFF. (There are a few other important differences to remember when using the "Notation" instruments -- these are described later on.)

3) In Finale 2006, all keyswitching expressions should have their Playback Options set to "None". If you've been using the expressions in the GPO keyswitches library available on the Garritan site, you will have to edit all of those expressions and set the playback options to "None" for them to work correctly in Finale 2006. (This may sound counterintuitive, but trust me on this. As long as the Playback Options are set to "none," Human Playback will catch them automatically.)

This means that you can -- finally -- use exactly the same "pizz" and "arco" and "mute" expressions for all the strings (instead of having to use different expressions for each section), and, similarly, you can use exactly the same "mute" and "no mute" expressions for all the brass.

[N.B., at the moment, those are AFAIK the only expressions Human Playback recognizes for brass mutes: "mute" and "no mute". So: you cannot use "st. mute", and you cannot use "senza sord" or "mute out" or anything -- you must use "mute" and "no mute". This will be fixed in an update. Meanwhile, if you want to use a different expression for print/display, that's fine -- put those in normally, but also include invisible "mute" and "no mute" expressions. Also, remember that brass mutes are only supported in GPO Full, not GPO Finale Edition.]

Additionally, there are some expressions that come with the Finale 2006 default file that say that they are for use with GPO. It's a lie! DON'T USE THOSE. They are NOT compatible with Human Playback (unless you edit them and set the playback options to "None"). I don't know why MakeMusic included these expressions in their default file, but they don't work when Human Playback is on. Undefine them, or create your own.

4) The Setup Wizard now configures your AU/VST instrument setup automatically. It is compatible with both GPO Finale Edition and GPO Full. However, in order for this (very, very useful) feature to work with GPO Full, you must install the most recent GPO update after installing Finale 2006. Even if you've already installed the GPO update, you still have to re-install it after installing Finale 2006.

Remember that the Setup Wizard always loads the "Notation" instruments.

5) In addition to the "unified" keyswitches (which are designed to be triggered only by Finale -- they are not set up for live playing) there are a few additional differences between the "regular" GPO Full instruments and the ones in the "Notation" folder. Specifically, the "Notation" instruments use a different controller for legato (CC#68 instead of the sustain pedal, CC#64), which means that you can finally have slurred strings and winds and proper piano pedaling in the same file. In order for this feature to work, though, you must use the "Notation" version of the instruments -- remember, those are the ones automatically loaded in the Setup Wizard -- and you must make sure that in Kontakt Player options, the Sustain/Sostenuto Pedal mode is set to "Normal", and "Use Standard CC#7/CC#10 Volume & Pan" is selected.

6) If you are converting older documents for use with GPO AU instruments, keep in mind that you may have to change some of your channel assignments in the Instrument List. Make sure the first 8 staves of your score are set to channels 1-8, the next 8 staves to channels 17-24, the next 8 to 33-40, and so on. That way, when you launch the first Kontakt Player instance "Native Instruments AU/VST Setup -> Finale Channel 1-16 -> Edit," the first 8 Kontakt Player slots will correspond to the first 8 staves of your score; the first 8 Kontakt Player slots in the second player instance (Finale Channels 17-32) will correspond to the next 8 staves, etc.

Also keep in mind that if you had been using Channel 10 for percussion (i.e., if your score was set up for the Finale SoftSynth or other GM sound module), that this is no longer necessary when using GPO. You will, of course, have to re-do your percussion map to match GPO's percussion layout.

That's everything I can think of for now, but feel free to ask questions if you get stuck.

[Nickie Fønshauge]

I don't know about Mac, but on PC you have to run the updater after you install Finale, to get the "9. Notation" folder, which should then be accessable in the player below the 1-8 folders and above Dry and Wet.

[Travik6]

I did run the installer after installing the update to Finale; alas, still no notation folder anywhere. I've looked through all the menus in the player and searched my hard drive.

When I originally installed GPO on my mac over a year ago I remember the installer prompting me to choose a location for my sample libraries. For some reason or another, I didn't choose the default location. I'm thinking that perhaps this new updater is expecting files to be in the default location.

I was thinking of trying a clean reinstall of GPO, but I remember getting lots of warnings that one can only install the software once on any given machine. I really feel stuck here.

On the plus side, I can play many more instruments than with GPO studio.

I don't know about Mac, but on PC you have to run the updater after you install Finale, to get the "9. Notation" folder, which should then be accessable in the player below the 1-8 folders and above Dry and Wet.

[Jerry W.]

I was thinking of trying a clean reinstall of GPO, but I remember getting lots of warnings that one can only install the software once on any given machine. I really feel stuck here.

On the plus side, I can play many more instruments than with GPO studio.
Yep it seems that AU seem to be more efficient than VSTs are on a Mac.

You can do a clean install of GPO just fine. Did you save your authorization number?
Since it is the same machine, you ought to be able to re-install everything and when it asks you for it, you ought to be able to just enter in the authorization code and go have fun.

The only time you have to de-authorize and then re-authorize a machine is if you swap out hard drives, motherboards, etc.
Hope this helps a bit.
Jerry

[Slandrom]

I could see the mention of the midi tool etc. for note velocity,but I could not see any mention of how modulation [cc1] messages are entered on the score. Does anyone know how this is done?

No need to use the midi tool for this if you don´t use HP. Only change the playback of the dynamic expressions to CC1. Beware of that percussive instruments and sounds (pizz) still need to be assigned to velocity, so one needs 2 sets of dynamics

Björn

[Slandrom]

I did run the installer after installing the update to Finale; alas, still no notation folder anywhere. I've looked through all the menus in the player and searched my hard drive.

When I originally installed GPO on my mac over a year ago I remember the installer prompting me to choose a location for my sample libraries. For some reason or another, I didn't choose the default location. I'm thinking that perhaps this new updater is expecting files to be in the default location.


I had the same problems on my mac but solved it with help from THAD. I also initially placed GPO on another place. Here is how I solved it:

1. Made a clean installation and saved it in the program folder.
2. Installed the update in the same place.
3. Deleted the old folders.

Now I got the No. 9 files on place.
No need to authorize GPO again. Since it is installed on the same computer it will remember the registration number.

Björn

[Travik6]

Thanks for the excellent advice. The reinstall worked as you stated and the missing folder is there. I haven't had a moment open a document and verify that notation instruments are now working, but this looks promising.

I had the same problems on my mac but solved it with help from THAD. I also initially placed GPO on another place. Here is how I solved it:

1. Made a clean installation and saved it in the program folder.
2. Installed the update in the same place.
3. Deleted the old folders.

Now I got the No. 9 files on place.
No need to authorize GPO again. Since it is installed on the same computer it will remember the registration number.

Björn