Announcing: Garritan Personal Orchestra Sibelius Edition - demos [Archive]

DavidH at Sibelius

11-04-2005, 06:24 AM

We now have a number of sample recordings of Garritan Personal Orchestra(Sibelius Edition) playing various orchestral and other pieces, plus some demos of individual instruments:

http://www.sibelius.com/products/gpo_sibelius/ (http://www.sibelius.com/products/gpo_sibelius/)

Garritan Personal Orchestra (Sibelius Edition) is shipping this month; you can order it in advance at http://www.sibelius.com/buy/

There'll be news shortly on the upgrade offer for existing GPO users!

David

Jonny Lost

11-04-2005, 07:58 PM

David,

Congratulations on the GPO/Sibelius Hybrid. The demos sound fantastic. I especially like the "La Mer" excerpt and the Marimba/Xylophone demo. Are all of the articulations actually triggering the keyswitches? It sounds pretty good. I can't wait to get my hamds on it.

Thanks in Advanced,
Jonny

dbudde

11-04-2005, 08:08 PM

Too bad you can't export midi that includes all the articulation controls with this new version.

musicpete

11-04-2005, 08:44 PM

Well, maybe in a later Version?

Oh, those demos sound fantastic! Finally I can use my beloved GPO instead of the vastly inferior Kontakt Gold sounds.

This is a sure buy! Thanks Gary! Thank you anonymous guys over at Sibelius HQ! You all did great work!

Markleford

11-04-2005, 09:04 PM

Sounds great. Again, I have to say that I think it's extremely important for notation and soundware developers to forge these sorts of partnerships to enhance the out-of-the-box realism of rendered scores, particularly for the enhancement of educational purposes!

Keeping new composers minds on the notes instead of obscure MIDI controls will only serve to make our world a more enjoyable place in the long run. ;)

- m

steve martin

11-05-2005, 05:59 AM

Thanks David for posting the demo's.

They sound great and to be able to use Sibelius and GPO together is something I will look forward to.
One thing, I do remember that someone mentioned a while back in relation to GPO/Sibelius, is that sustain on the piano is with controller 64 as it usually is, and legato for the legato instruments is now another controller [I can't remember which number the controller was], that is the case still isn't it?
It's just that I have ideas for another piano/orchestral piece etc and to be able to use the two controllers together for scoring and playback in that way is just something I will appreciate so much!

best,
Steve M.

Garritan

11-06-2005, 05:03 PM

David,

Thanks for posting about the GPO Sibelius Edition and welcome to the Northern Sounds Community.

People don't realize what's involved in getting notation to play back from the score. Many here are used to MIDI editing and tweaking in sequencers and playback is something they have been accustomed to for years. Mousing in notes on a score in a dedicated notation program is an entirely different matter. And getting notation to play back directly from a score with some sort of realism has been only a dream until recently.

I believe that one of the most significant achievements of GPO is that it was the first library designed specifically for notation programs and to be integrated with notation. In developing GPO we thought through many of the issues notation users would be presented with. A sample library must be designed differently to work with notation. It must be able to access all the articulations on the same staff and also able to perform divisi. There are also considerable challenges in getting perfectly quantized notes to breathe and become lyrical. GPO was programmed from the ground up to overcome the difficulties of working with notation programs.

Sibelius' ability to interpret performance indications (such as articulation marks, playing techniques, slurs and dynamics, hairpins on sustained notes, etc.) and to integrate many of GPO's advanced programming will be a great benefit to musicians.

Not too long ago musicians had only staff paper, pencil and a wild imagination. For those who gave up on notation because of lack of playback, it may be time to take a second look. It's a great time to be a musician.

Gary Garritan

steve martin

11-06-2005, 07:16 PM

"Not too long ago musicians had only staff paper, pencil and a wild imagination. For those who gave up on notation because of lack of playback, it may be time to take a second look. It's a great time to be a musician."
[Gary Garritan]

Gary, I totally agree. When I purchased my first notation program, which at that time was Sibelius 2, I wished there was some kind of program that would playback your score with orchestral sounds. I never had any idea that something like GPO would come along and make this a reality.
For all notation users of Overture, Sibelius, Finale and others, GPO has given us access to a program that composers of long ago would have never thought could have been possible. Seriously, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and others would have loved to have something like GPO incorporated with a notation program.
I am so glad Gary and Tom, that you have been a visionary with this sound library.
Oh, yes, it was confirmed to me by Daniel at Sibelius, that you can have sustain legato and sustain instruments playback at the same time with the Sib/Gpo programme.

Thanks again, Gary and Tom for a great product that GPO is.

Jonny Lost

11-06-2005, 11:33 PM

Man, can I just tell everyone how stoked I am and can't wait to get a copy of this. Geez, it's almost like a dream come true. I spend hours editing keyswitches and volume messages into Sibelius 3. This will quicken my work process so very much.

I am also liking the fact that Sibelius 4 can import video. Man, I have some film projects coming up that this feature alone is going to save me a days worth of work.

I can't give enough praise and congratulations. Like Gary said, it truely is a great time to be a musician.

Cheers,
Jonny

dbudde

11-06-2005, 11:45 PM

I agree this is a great product. But they've artificially and purposely crippled it by not allowing you to export midi. What if you want to mix with some instruments that aren't in the Sibelius samples anywhere. You can't. Unless you export the audio file and mix that. Then you've lost all capability to make changes without starting from scratch. What a pain. Why aren't more people screaming about this?

Jonny Lost

11-06-2005, 11:51 PM

Dbudde,

I was thinking about that. If I need to use another sound, say in Absynth 3, I simply use Absynth 3 along with Sibelius via a Virtual MIDI Cable like MIDI Yoke, or Jeff Hurchalla's Marble Virtual MIDI Cable. Both of these products are available on the web. Just do a Google search, and you'll find them. It seems to make sensee to me.

I hope it makes sense to everyone else! :D

Jonny

dbudde

11-07-2005, 12:14 AM

But you can't record. You can record in Sibelius only for the Sibelius instruments. For anything else you need to combine a Sibelius audio file in some other DAW. You can't get Midi out of Sibelius for any of the GPO sounds.

Yes, you can run other apps to get sounds together with Sibelius and connect them up with Midi yoke (on the PC) or IAC (on the Mac) but you can't record/mix the combination.

Jonny Lost

11-07-2005, 12:44 AM

OK, sorry, I see what you're saying. True, that is a bit of a problem. Oh well, I'm sure they'll come up with something!

Jonny

LFO

11-07-2005, 02:04 AM

I have not yet looked at the GPO/Sibelius package yet, but I will be doing so. What would keep you from recording each instrument to a wav file in Sibelius and importing the resulting files into your sequencer (Cubase, Sonar, etc.)? Is this not available as a recording option?

-LFO

dbudde

11-07-2005, 02:35 AM

You could export audio files and mix that way. But that defeats the whole benefit of having the data in midi. At some point you want to export and work in a DAW. You don't want to go back and forth between Sibelius and that program. So when you do get to that point, you need to be able to make changes to the data in the DAW. So yes, it can be done, but it is a pain and there is really no need for it.

Sibelius knows how to export midi data. They have made a concious decision not to for this product. They claim it is a technical issue but this is not a credible reason in my opinion.

I'm just guessing but I suspect the reasons are twofold (both financially motivated):

1. If you can export the midi data and/or route it externally as you can today, then existing owners of GPO could use their existing sample player in a DAW and one wouldn't need to buy the upgrade. They're doing a maintenance release of the Sibelius proper with the release of the GPO edition. They can't charge money for this part of the release for people that own GPO because there probably aren't any new features for those people. So withholding midi support is a way to get some of those to buy the specially-priced upgrade.

2. Sibelius wants to keep their algorithms they've developed for this product proprietary from the competition as long as possible. With midi export it would be fairly trivial to figure out what they are doing and copy it.

These are certainly understandable reasons. I just wish they'd be upfront about it and tell us this is what they are doing and why. I think this is a great product based on what I know about it. And hopefully they'll get midi support for it in the not too distant future. It would be a real shame if they kept this proprietary forever.

Garritan

11-07-2005, 06:42 PM

Sibelius has just advised me that there will be a special upgrade path available for existing Garritan Personal Orchestra users.The upgrade to the GPO Sibelius Edition will be $49.

Customers who qualify for the upgrade price include only licensed users of Personal Orchestra.

The upgrade will include a new optimized version of the acclaimed Kontakt Gold sample player from Native Instruments.

More details will be posted on the Sibelius site (http://www.sibelius.com/products/gpo_sibelius/).

Gary Garritan

cobybos

11-07-2005, 07:00 PM

Garritan

11-08-2005, 12:40 AM

I wonder how much of an influence Gary had in what I believe is a very reasonable price. Just a little...http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/ninja.gif

http://www.garritan.com/pictures/wrestlers_grappling.gif

Glenn Morrissette

11-08-2005, 06:11 AM

Gary,

I'm not currently a GPO owner, so if I buy Sibelius with the GPO add-on, will there be a discount if I then choose to purchase the full version of GPO?

DavidH at Sibelius

11-08-2005, 12:16 PM

Thanks David for posting the demo's.

...

One thing, I do remember that someone mentioned a while back in relation to GPO/Sibelius, is that sustain on the piano is with controller 64 as it usually is, and legato for the legato instruments is now another controller [I can't remember which number the controller was], that is the case still isn't it?
...
best,
Steve M.

Yes, legato in this library is CC68, you can use legato strings and piano sustain pedal with no problem

David

DavidH at Sibelius

11-08-2005, 12:17 PM

loogoo

11-08-2005, 01:04 PM

CallMeZoot

11-08-2005, 02:11 PM

I just placed my upgrade order with Sibelius and was informed that the price for GPO Sibelius was $59, not $49. Nevertheless, it's still a great deal. Can't wait for it to come out. It's what actually finally induced me to upgrade to Sib 4. The other improvements they've made in Sibelius 4 are terrific, for sure, but being able to really use GPO with it is what tipped the scales for me. ;)

Is there a website to place your order, or did you have to do it by phone. Did they give you a specific ship date?

Does it indeed also come with the Kontakt Gold sound set, as somebody in this thread mentioned?

Thanks,

chris.

Styxx

11-08-2005, 02:49 PM

Geezzzzzzzzzz! Hard to believe! Those demos are something else. Congrats!

loogoo

11-08-2005, 04:08 PM

Is there a website to place your order, or did you have to do it by phone. Did they give you a specific ship date?

Does it indeed also come with the Kontakt Gold sound set, as somebody in this thread mentioned?

Thanks,

chris.

You can place your order through the Sibelius website, although the GPO users upgrade was not yet listed (or announced) when I placed my order. I contacted sales via email with my order number, gave them my GPO serial no. and asked them to change it as there was a significant difference in price.

GPO Sibelius Edition ordered by itself - $219 (if you already have Sibelius 4)
GPO Sibelius Edition ordered along with Sibelius 4 upgrade - $169
GPO Sibelius Edition upgrade for current GPO users - $49 (recently confirmed)

There is no specific ship date announced yet, but they are saying November.

The Kontakt Gold soundset is sold separately. I think what that person meant to say was that you can use any of the Sibelius sound sets (Kontakt Silver, Kontakt Gold, GPO Sibelius or the Rock and Pop collection) combined in one score. For instance, you can use GPO for your orchestral sounds, but you can also use Kontakt Gold for choir, etc. These sound sets are all sold separately and only Kontakt Silver (8 instruments) comes bundled with Sibelius. Hope this answers your questions.

Garritan

11-08-2005, 04:20 PM

I just placed my upgrade order with Sibelius and was informed that the price for GPO Sibelius was $59, not $49. Nevertheless, it's still a great deal. Can't wait for it to come out. It's what actually finally induced me to upgrade to Sib 4. The other improvements they've made in Sibelius 4 are terrific, for sure, but being able to really use GPO with it is what tipped the scales for me. ;)

$49 it is. DEMAND a $10 rebate!! Otherwise I'll have to buy you a lunch http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Styxx

11-08-2005, 04:24 PM

GPO Sibelius Edition upgrade for current GPO users - $49 or $59 Even if you still have the Overture SE version?
You want your crabby patty to go or for here?
Daaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
:D

What say ye?

loogoo

11-08-2005, 05:04 PM

$49 it is. DEMAND a $10 rebate!! Otherwise I'll have to buy you a lunch http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Thanks, Gary.

I contacted sales at Sibelius and we'll see if we can straighten this out. Lunch would have been great, but how often are you in Brooklyn after all? :D

EDIT: Poof! All fixed!

Garritan

11-08-2005, 05:18 PM

Lunch would have been great, but how often are you in Brooklyn after all? :D May be worth the trip to have lunch at Junior's and some Bergen Bagels http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

CallMeZoot

11-08-2005, 05:22 PM

Woo hoo, I'm excited about this. I've never bothered hitting play in Sibelius or Finale--I do all my playback in SONAR, and use my notation software purely for creating a legible score. Instrument mapping has always been a pain in notation software--I don't know why they can't just set it up to choose instruments the same way you do in a sequencer.

Having GPO integrated in Sibelius and automatically responding to the markings will be great. I still plan on doing my composing in SONAR because I imagine it will still be more flexible for fine tuning and recording live. But it will be great to have good playback from my notation software as well.

And $49? That's one heck of an upgrade price! I haven't paid. Of course, I've already invested hundreds of dollars in both companies in order to be eligible for this upgrade, but all too often software companies don't consider that. Thanks Gary, and thanks Sibelius for being considerate of your customers!

So now I'm eating Ramen noodles and saltines until my card gets charged for JABB. Then as soon as I get paid again I'm sending my $49 Sibeliusward. Then I have to start replenishing the coffers for El Guapo and Stradivari.

Gary, is there any way you could work something out with the IRS so that part of my paycheck just goes straight to you each month? FICA, Social Security, Blue Cross, Garritan.

chris.

David_Carter

11-09-2005, 05:46 AM

Sibelius has just advised me that there will be a special upgrade path available for existing Garritan Personal Orchestra users.The upgrade to the GPO Sibelius Edition will be $49....

Gary GarritanSibelius has just announced the sidegrade price for UK will be £39 - $49 or £39 where do they get their exchange rate from. Oh well it's still a great deal.

rwayland

11-09-2005, 06:08 AM

Sibelius has just announced the sidegrade price for UK will be £39 - $49 or £39 where do they get their exchange rate from. Oh well it's still a great deal.

Well, since you use Sonar 4 and have GPO, what is the advantage adding GPO to your Sibelius package? Or is that a non-sequitur?

Since I also use Sonar 4 and Sib, I have been pondering the value of it to me. I have no doubts about it's value. I just don't see how it would be a good deal for me.

Richard

Maximvs

11-09-2005, 07:22 AM

This for sure a great news for all the composers out there who are working with Sibelius and dreamed to hear their compositions with great quality sounds like GPO.
I was pretty impressed about the demo I've heard, thank you guys at Sibelius for all the work you have done and to you Garry for giving us GPO in the first place.

I did phone Sibelius UK and they have confirmed the price of £39 for the upgrade to GPO existing users and the release date of around mid November, finger crossed guys:-)

Christmas like some one already said is coming earlier this year....Yehhhhha

All the best to all of you out there.

David_Carter

11-09-2005, 09:56 AM

Well, since you use Sonar 4 and have GPO, what is the advantage adding GPO to your Sibelius package? Or is that a non-sequitur?

Since I also use Sonar 4 and Sib, I have been pondering the value of it to me. I have no doubts about it's value. I just don't see how it would be a good deal for me.

Richard

Well Richard it's probably a dull story but I got Sonar because there was a fantastic deal and I knew I was going to need it. Problem there is I have not yet found the time to get to grips with it. Same with GPO which I got with the group buy but haven't again got to grips with (with Sibelius). Currently I use Kontak Gold with a mixture of MS wavetable synth thing for general playback whilst Im wrting in sibelius but clearly GPOS will be an inprovement on that and I'm hoping I can use GPOS and KGgold for playback of my very big orchestral scores.

We'll see.