Oh no.... even MORE pianos.....

[Worra]

Ok, I'm at it again!
Recording is planned to start beginning of April. Doesn't really matter what the model is, since this will be a "boutique piano". That is, it will be recorded and eq:ed and fixed so that it will sound great in recordings.
In other word, it's not supposed to sound as you are standing beside a real piano. Not the concept here!
So, the model isn't important, (even if it's a Nippon made instrument starting with a "Y"...).

We will be recording a couple of different perspectives and I have a fairly good idea of what I'm after, but: Inputs are always welcome!

So, boys and girls! What do you want from a new SampleTekk Grand Piano, (besides the usual 32 velocity layers...)

[Ashermusic]

Ok, I'm at it again!
Recording is planned to start beginning of April. Doesn't really matter what the model is, since this will be a "boutique piano". That is, it will be recorded and eq:ed and fixed so that it will sound great in recordings.
In other word, it's not supposed to sound as you are standing beside a real piano. Not the concept here!
So, the model isn't important, (even if it's a Nippon made instrument starting with a "Y"...).

We will be recording a couple of different perspectives and I have a fairly good idea of what I'm after, but: Inputs are always welcome!

So, boys and girls! What do you want from a new SampleTekk Grand Piano, (besides the usual 32 velocity layers...)

Frankly Per I think you already accomplished this with the Seven Seas grand. It handles EQ and compression, like I used on my "Eleanor Rigby" demo, so beautifully that it is mix ready.

So if you are going to do another I would suggest that it not be "a Nippon made instrument starting with a "Y" but one Baldwin or a Mason Hamlin, a much underrated piano that AFAIK no one has yet done.

[Ivan P]

I actually like the timbre of August Forster pianos

[talisman]

How about a Fazioli? I recently bought Ivory and am not very happy with it. It would be nice to try another version of the Fazioli. I think it would sell.

John

[cmdratz]

Frankly Per I think you already accomplished this with the Seven Seas grand. It handles EQ and compression, like I used on my "Eleanor Rigby" demo, so beautifully that it is mix ready.

So if you are going to do another I would suggest that it not be "a Nippon made instrument starting with a "Y" but one Baldwin or a Mason Hamlin, a much underrated piano that AFAIK no one has yet done.
I absolustely agree! I would love a sampled Baldwin SD10E Concert Grand!:heart: Incidentally, I play a Baldwin 243E Full Upright at home and really like the tone of the bass strings. I have suggested a Baldwin grand to you before, as well.

[alanb]

Here's the curve ball...

(When) will you be recording instruments other than a piano?

I know that there are plenty of folks here who can't get enough different pianos, but I've got a whole lot of them now, and I'd love to see you attacking (and producing libraries of) a wider, more varied selection of instruments, boasting the same depth and detail that you have shown on the TBO, 7CG and other piano libs.

More more more!!! More?

[Worra]

Here's the curve ball...

(When) will you be recording instruments other than a piano?

I know that there are plenty of folks here who can't get enough different pianos, but I've got a whole lot of them now, and I'd love to see you attacking (and producing libraries of) a wider, more varied selection of instruments, boasting the same depth and detail that you have shown on the TBO, 7CG and other piano libs.

More more more!!! More?

...and indeed there will.....
Just that this piano stood there, and I couldn't resist sampling it.... sorry, it's a defect I have!
We have planned to record/sample drums later this year. There are also a couple of other things in the pipeline.

Drums will be more of a loop/REX instrument, (did I say VVirtual Instrument...???)

[Gamera]

I am on record as promising to hurl if there are any more sampled pianos. :wow:

- G

[Aaron Dirk]

88 keys
32 x 4 random variations pedal up
32 x 4 random variations pedal down
32 x 4 random variations release
lots of noises to add- pedals, chair, lids, coughs, lighting cig, deep exhale

Go ahead and call me crazy~|
But if your doing what you mentioned in the other room, why not:|:
It would seriously be one awesome piano)(~


why someone wouldn't want another great sampletekk piano is beyond me:rolleyes:

[alanb]

Hey Gamera -- can you hurl in different pitches?

Sounds like it's inevitable... maybe there's a library in there somewhere.....

:D

[Worra]

Hey Gamera -- can you hurl in different pitches?

Sounds like it's inevitable... maybe there's a library in there somewhere.....

:D


I'll sample it!

[Worra]

88 keys
32 x 4 random variations pedal up
32 x 4 random variations pedal down
32 x 4 random variations release
lots of noises to add- pedals, chair, lids, coughs, lighting cig, deep exhale

Go ahead and call me crazy~|
But if your doing what you mentioned in the other room, why not:|:
It would seriously be one awesome piano)(~


why someone wouldn't want another great sampletekk piano is beyond me:rolleyes:

Hmmm... I doubt that there will be any random variations needed if you record 32 velocity levels. The chanse that yoou should repeat two samples after eachother are pretty slim....
Also, I'm not certain that there's a computer alive today that could handle that load!

[Aaron Dirk]

Hmmm... I doubt that there will be any random variations needed if you record 32 velocity levels. The chanse that yoou should repeat two samples after eachother are pretty slim....
Also, I'm not certain that there's a computer alive today that could handle that load!

Ya, I know:D I ment to come across extreme. 32 layers works pretty good as is:)

[Worra]

Ya, I know:D I ment to come across extreme. 32 layers works pretty good as is:)

He, he... Extreme is my middle name...:D

[Aaron Dirk]

I'll sample it!

Sounds like an "on location" job.... I would rent the mic:o


:D

[Aaron Dirk]

He, he... Extreme is my middle name...:D

No kidding? My middle name is... "Danger"*()

Figures we would end up being developers:p :D


I look forward to what ever your next piano library is! I'm sure it will be great!:)

[Endorf]

Hi Worra, great thread!
Here are my wishes:

- 32 layers for pedal up/down and release.
- 32 layers for piano-pedal, with and without soft-pedal.

- full string resonance (like TBO with PSR-script).
- pedalling while the release (like TBO with PSR-script).
- hammer release noise while the soft-pedal is pressed!
- sound of pressing the soft-pedal whitout a key - at different velocitys!
- adjustable key noise (noise from the key on the felt)!
- and finally a very good grand piano in his optimum condition:-)).

Good luck,
Endorf

PS: I hope all wishes are understandable in spite of my bad english:-))

[cmdratz]

88 keys
32 x 4 random variations pedal up
32 x 4 random variations pedal down
32 x 4 random variations release
lots of noises to add- pedals, chair, lids, coughs, lighting cig, deep exhale

Go ahead and call me crazy~|
But if your doing what you mentioned in the other room, why not:|:
It would seriously be one awesome piano)(~


why someone wouldn't want another great sampletekk piano is beyond me:rolleyes:
The randoim variations sound interesting.

Hi Worra, great thread!
Here are my wishes:

- 32 layers for pedal up/down and release.
- 32 layers for piano-pedal, with and without soft-pedal.

- full string resonance (like TBO with PSR-script).
- pedalling while the release (like TBO with PSR-script).
- hammer release noise while the soft-pedal is pressed!
- sound of pressing the soft-pedal whitout a key - at different velocitys!
- adjustable key noise (noise from the key on the felt)!
- and finally a very good grand piano in his optimum condition:-)).
...and I agree with Endorf's requests

:mad: :( :) ...but have you considered sampling a Baldwin Concert Grand? Answer us :samurai:. ... please?;) Is the cost of the piano time or the piano itself prohibitive of production because you have a big shiny Yamaha Concert Grand sitting there already?

[runamuck]

When you sample, please close mic it and keep the ambience to an absolute minimum. But I personally don't want pedal noise and key clicks and all that crap that you don't want in a recording.

And watch out for the mid-range. That's where virtually all piano samples I've heard fall apart.

One other thing: unless it's for an orchestral recording , I feel strongly that a "B" size piano is most appropriate for recording jazz and pop stuff. The issue with the "D" size is all the growl in the low end that's not appropriate for what I'm hoping for.

Jim

[Worra]

Yes, soft pedal... what about it. Would you consider this to be VERY important? I guess that it is, but you have to take in mind that it would increase the size of the instrument with 1/3....

[Alkan]

"Yes, soft pedal... what about it. Would you consider this to be VERY important?"

Yes, it is very important!!!!

[lallis]

Yes, soft pedal... what about it. Would you consider this to be VERY important?

Not to me. Entirely useless, in fact. If it gets included for the sonata people, could there be some way of leaving soft-pedal sounds on the DVD and never loading them onto one's hard drive?

Cigarette noises are essential, however, as Dirk suggests, and loads of chair scraping. What I really need is rattling cullery and several different ice clinks -- some in highball glasses, others in those tall orange things. Also some samples of a waiter going out of his mind and quitting.

Authentically yours,

Larry

[xav93]

Yes, a FAZIOLI with same sampling quality than TBO! My piano teacher recorded his latest album using an excellent one in a young and great studio near Paris.

[Endorf]

Oh yes, the soft pedal is very important for making music. It has a wonderful timbre, that we need to form the music:-))!

And i agree with the requirements for a Fazioli - this instrument has more tone colours as a Yamaha and would benefit form the 32 layers much more.
Endorf

[Andrew Aversa]

If this is a boutique piano to be used "in the mix" then I really don't see the point of extensive pedal sampling... I mean, some of the most playable and usable pianos out there are tiny (<32mb) and crammed into the ROM of various workstations. I doubt they went nuts with round robin and heavy velocity layer sampling. It's more about creative programming of the sounds, which is something of a lost art these days. It would be nice if Worra tried that route.

[JohnGrant]

So if I understand the purpose, it's to make a piano sample that can be used in a RECORDING, primarily, as distinct from a piano sample that sounds great played LIVE.

Two very, very different things. No question. And it makes a lot of sense to make a piano sample that sounds great RECORDED , since virtually all the other sampled instruments out there are made to sound real WHEN RECORDED, as distinct from played live.

And let me stick my neck out and say that, so far, NO sampled piano currently on the market can compare to a top notch recording of a live piano. That kind of beast just doesn't exist. But there's no reason it can't be done. All you have to do is LISTEN to a great high-end piano recording and design a sample that WILL SOUND JUST AS GOOD, IF NOT BETTER.

What's the number #1 recorded piano out there? Like it or not, most high-end recordings still use Steinway concert grands. But I've heard great recordings of Fazzies and Yammies, too.

JG