Can Your Sampled Cello do This? - New Gofriller Cello Technique Demos

[Garritan]

The Gofriller Solo Cello will soon be released. The new master is on its way to the manufacturer so it should be fairly soon.

The wonderful thing about the Gofriller Solo Cello is that there is so much flexibility and playability - techniques that can be played in real-time! Techniques and articulations not as a gazillion discrete freeze-dried samples that you piece together - but as a dynamic performance that is totally under your control. You made and shape your articulations on-the-fly, like a real player does. This represents a new paradigm is modern instrumentation.

We have posted some technique demos below that show the possibilities of the instrument. The following techniques are played in real-time as a single performance in one pass. Notice the versatility and how so many techniques are possible. Most anything a real cello can do can be performed with this software instrument.
Spiccato (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-Spiccato.mp3) - Spiccato attacks with gradual crescendo
Fast Line over Entire Range (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-EntireRange.mp3)- Example of the Gofriller Cello playing a fast line encompassing the range of the cello in real-time.
Fast Line with Repeated Notes (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-FastLine.mp3) - Example of the Gofriller Cello playing a fast line with repeated notes.
Stops (Double, Triple & Quadruple (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-double-triple-quad-stops.mp3) - This is an example of the Gofriller Solo Cello playing a Double Stop, Triple Stop and Quadruple Stop.
Trills (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-trill-melody.mp3) - Trills played in a musical fashion.
Bow Changes (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-5speedBoxChange.mp3) - Here is an example of bow changes played on an open C with 5 different speeds.
Sforzando Attacks (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-SfzAttacks-short.mp3) - Sforzando, means to "play the next note with emphasis"
Major Run (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-MajorRun.mp3) - Example of the Gofriller Cello playing a major run in three different octaves.
Dynamic Changes (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-LegPortDynamicChange.mp3) - Dynamic changes played real-time during portamento.
Imparting Vibrato (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-Vibrato-NV-SameNote.mp3) - Starting from nand going to nonvibrato with varying vibrato rates - all in real time. Note the vibrato is not static.
Pizzicato & Chitara Stop (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-pizz-ChitaraStop.mp3) - Pizzicato with high to low accents, gradually crescendoing and ending with a chitara stop.
Glissando Down in Sixths & Octaves (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-SixthStopGlissDown-OctaveGlissDown.mp3) - An example of downward glissandos in sixths and octaves.
Sull'altra corda (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-SulAltra.mp3) - A melody played with normal fingering followed by playing the same melody with alternate fingering on different strings.

Crescendo with Simultaneous Vibrato Control (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-Cresc-VibratoVariations.mp3) - This is an example of how you can do a crescendos with simultaneous vibrato control. Here the onset, rate and intensity of the vibrato is controlled in real time. Gradual vibrato is imparted with vibrato variations.
Crescendo with Bow Change (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-Cresc-BowNoise.mp3) - Crescendo and Descrescendo with a bow change. This example shows intonation differences by purposely increasing bow noise.
Harmonics (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-harmonics.mp3) - Example of the Gofriller Cello playing harmonics.
Senza Vibrato with Bow Change (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-SenzaVib-BowChange.mp3) - Melodic passage played senza vibrato with pedal bow change.
Con Sordino with Bow Change (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-Sordino-BowChange.mp3) - Same passage as above played con sordino with bow change.
Cello (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/rd_Cello-FX.mp3) Effects 1 (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/rd-Cello_for_a_New_Age.mp3), Cello (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/rd_Cello-FX2.mp3) Effects 2 (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/rd_Cello-FX2.mp3) & Cello Effects 3 (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/rd_crazyseals.mp3)- Various fun effects done with the Gofriller Cello. Some of these Cello effects uses a MIDI guitar controller. and some plugin effects.
Staccato & Double Bowing (http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-StaccatoDoubleBowed.mp3) - Crescendo followed by the same with double bowing. [Edit: added]


(http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-StaccatoDoubleBowed.mp3)
We can go on and on and on ... ad infinitum....

There are some more demos posted here: http://garritan.com/cello.html

Thanks to Robert for his assistance in realizing these demos. And thanks to Giorgio and Stephano for making this technology possible.

We'll be posting videos showing the versatility of this extraordinary software cello as soon as we can.


Enjoy!

Gary Garritan

[JonFairhurst]

Wow Gary,

This is like a mini instrumentation class for the cello. The only thing missing are the scores, the range charts and a lot of redundant text!

BTW, the cello sounds absolutely great! I remember some early test demos that many (including me) thought was a bit metallic. It's clear that you took the various feedback seriously. These demos sound wonderful.

[yujade]

My sampled cello can't do that. Not even my real viola can (well, I can do those things, but an octave higher :)).

I enjoy hearing all those new articulations. The cello has a great deep rich voice.

[vic_france]

Mind-blowing!

[KeithW]

Mind-blowing!
I don't play any stringed instruments but this is clearly a breakthrough product. Congratulations to all involved!

Keith Walls

[nikolas]

Sounds mind blowing! Exactly that Gary!

And since I've come on the Strad platform, I will most probably get on the Gofriller one ;)

[nozoku]

sounds really, really great! It starts to be really hard NOT to buy it :)

[imagegod]

One quick question:

How useful is this Cello when not playing 'live'; that is, how easy is it to 'draw' rather than play the request information (at least, in general...I imagine some info is much easier/harder than other to draw.)

Thanks!

[Garritan]

One quick question:

How useful is this Cello when not playing 'live'; that is, how easy is it to 'draw' rather than play the request information (at least, in general...I imagine some info is much easier/harder than other to draw.)

Thanks!You can tweak to your hearts content to try to simulate a performance. You'll need to learn the controllers and functions. In the real world, articulations are shaped by a player as he/she plays and the Gofriller mimics the performance. If your drawing skills can mimic the subtleties of vibrato, or the imparting of portamento, the shaping of a note, or the various nuances done simultaneously; then it is doable but requires practice. But for the best results, nothing beats just playing in real-time.

Gary Garritan

[tfishbein82]

One quick question:

How useful is this Cello when not playing 'live'; that is, how easy is it to 'draw' rather than play the request information (at least, in general...I imagine some info is much easier/harder than other to draw.)

Thanks!
If it's like the Strad (and it is), then easy. Way, way simpler than mixing different articulation patches.

[Von Richter]

Very cool... can't wait to check out the woodwinds and brass using this tech.

[kstevege]

Can't wait!!! THis is really EXCITING!!!

[mojamusic]

Sorry if this is a silly question, but how does this compare to the VLS solo collection? It sounds amazing!

[tradivoro]

really great stuff, looking forward to the release of this cello... One effect I would like to see is going from fretted notes to an open string... The open string rings a little more than the other notes... Just something to think about for an example...

[Marcussen]

Hi Gary. I read with interest that one can control the bow noise. Great! Are there any other sampled noises? Finger changes, bows leaving the strings etc?

Recently I have been listening really closely to recorded solo strings, and it's the imperfection that make the difference!


Sorry if this is a silly question, but how does this compare to the VLS solo collection? It sounds amazing!

Well - taste is a subjective. I prefere the sound of the VSL cello, but it's hard to deny the many merits of the Gofriller, primarily it's speed of use and flexibility.

[Raindog]

I hope it hasn´t been answered a hundred times: How many controllers do you need to perform the Cello like this? Is a normal set of controllers like expression pedal, modwheel, pitchbending (and aftertouch) sufficient or do you need more controllers (which would make live playing extremely difficult as the normal human being can´t handle more than 2 feet and 2 hands at the same time ?

If this works with the normal controller set and doesn´t need "offline-tweaking" put me on the list for potential buyers (if there will be a group buy ;) you can put me on the "definite-buyer" list)

Best regards
Raindog

[Nigel W]

a buyer's question: will it be faster to order direct from Garritan in the USA with FedEx delivery, than to order from the local agent (in my case, Best Service in Germany)? I'd like to have the Gofriller as soon as possible!

Thanks!

Nigel

[DPDAN]

Raindog,
the controllers you mentioned are all you need for very convincing results.

Mod wheel for vibrato, expression pedal for expression. A number of things happen under the hood in real time as you play notes with various velocity in combination to data that you send via the expression pedal and modwheel. The speed of portamento depends on the velocity of the following note while the current note is still held, up or down.

The ability to tweak the various things in the Strad and Gofriller are very easy to do, although tweaking is absolutely not necessary for extremely pleasing results.

Dan :)

[Raindog]

Raindog,
the controllers you mentioned are all you need for very convincing results.

Mod wheel for vibrato, expression pedal for expression. A number of things happen under the hood in real time as you play notes with various velocity in combination to data that you send via the expression pedal and modwheel. The speed of portamento depends on the velocity of the following note while the current note is still held, up or down.

The ability to tweak the various things in the Strad and Gofriller are very easy to do, although tweaking is absolutely not necessary for extremely pleasing results.

Dan :)

That´s what I wanted to know. Sounds very promising.
Thanks for the answer Dan
regards Raindog

[Fabio]

Hi Gary. I read with interest that one can control the bow noise. Great! Are there any other sampled noises? Finger changes, bows leaving the strings etc?

Recently I have been listening really closely to recorded solo strings, and it's the imperfection that make the difference!



Well - taste is a subjective. I prefere the sound of the VSL cello, but it's hard to deny the many merits of the Gofriller, primarily it's speed of use and flexibility.

I asked Giorgio for that during development, and we had long discussion, but unfortunately I've been not able of convincing him. He still focus on sound and consider noise like a secondary gadget.

But I agree with you: the noisy imperfection should be something to study and reproduce with algorithms or controllers, (instead of difficoult and arbitrary mix of prerecorded noises after the sound rendering) : it should dramatically increase realism during performance, even and mainly in realtime (...realtime playability being the personal obsession of Giorgio...;-)!.

[cmdratz]

Fabio: I wonder if velocities in the keyswitch zones could do something productive.

Also, Gary: I should have asked this during the Stradivari Violin groupbuy. I have a 1.5 Ghz Athlon processor--would I still be able to use the Violin--or for that matter--the Gofriller Cello--considering that you estimate ~ a 25% cpu load on a Pentium 4 2.6(+?)? Because you set the bar higher than my setup, I rather disheartedly turned away from getting your violin during the promotion.

[Haydn]

Chris,

Your processor may be a little underpowered. You may be able to play the cello or violin but not much else. I was using about 10-15% CPU on a P4 2.8 GHz. My new Core 2 Duo E6600 processor only hits 2% with the cello on Windows XP x64 Pro!

Jim

[Garritan]

Here is another interesting technique - Staccato crescendo followed by the same with double bowing.

http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-StaccatoDoubleBowed.mp3

This was done with a guitar controller. *() *() *()

Gary Garritan

[cmdratz]

Chris,

Your processor may be a little underpowered. You may be able to play the cello or violin but not much else. I was using about 10-15% CPU on a P4 2.8 GHz. My new Core 2 Duo E6600 processor only hits 2% with the cello on Windows XP x64 Pro!

Jim
That's good. I usually only work on one instrument at a time and then freeze anyway. I do everthing alse using the frozen audio, instead. Would that still be a problem from my 1.5 Ghz Athlon, do you think? It only supports SSE1.:o

[nhb]

Raindog,


The ability to tweak the various things in the Strad and Gofriller are very easy to do,

Dan :)

That is interesting, because I am unable to edit anything in the Strad 2 environment. It is totally locked up programming wise. You get what you get. I was really hoping that that had been addressed in an update, and I certainly hope that it is addressed in the Gofriller.

nhb

[tfishbein82]

That is interesting, because I am unable to edit anything in the Strad 2 environment. It is totally locked up programming wise. You get what you get. I was really hoping that that had been addressed in an update, and I certainly hope that it is addressed in the Gofriller.

nhb
I believe that Dan was refering to the use of the midi controllers to tweak a performance. I am guessing the Gofriller will be locked like the Strad is.

[Sr_Velasco]

Here is another interesting technique - Staccato crescendo followed by the same with double bowing.

http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-StaccatoDoubleBowed.mp3

This was done with a guitar controller. *() *() *()

Gary Garritan

Hi Gary,

I would like to know which guitar controller was used in the demos.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

[Raindog]

After reading more of this thread and listening to the demos again it seems that this is definitely an instrument for ME.

Just to repeat my previous question (it may have been posted elsewhere but I didn´t find it): Is the price for the Cello already settled and is there a group buy (:p ) planned?
Best regards
Raindog

[DPDAN]

NHB
Tfishbein82 is right,
I was referring to the ease of manipulating and editing the midi cc data, not programming individual samples within the sampler.

For those who have not heard this, this is a Strad quickie I did by ear with the Stradivari Solo Violin. Sorry for the somewhat shameless plug :)

It is the theme from Young Frankenstein (https://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/DPDAN/Young%20Frankenstein.mp3).
GOS for string sections,
GPO harp, horn, t-bone
Garritan Stradivari Solo Violin

Dan

[Rob Elliott]

Sounds good. The toughest part of ANY sampled or morphed solo violin library is the vibrato - and how to make your own music sound like a live player was 'expressing' within it. You are either 'stuck' with the vibrato that was recorded for the sample (which may or may not fit your cue) - or 'synthesizing' the vibrato which doesn't always sound natural. Of course with 'sampled' solo strings we can use a variety of cres/dim, progressive vibrato samples to piece together a - in many cases - good enough performance. But of course - for someone like me - who is basically lazy and under constant time pressures this isn't always possible.

I think this cello gets us a bit closer.


Rob

[Garritan]

Hi Gary,

I would like to know which guitar controller was used in the demos.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

The Guitar controller used was a Roland GI-20 converter with the Roland GK-3 pickup.

Gary Garritan

[Garritan]

After reading more of this thread and listening to the demos again it seems that this is definitely an instrument for ME.

Just to repeat my previous question (it may have been posted elsewhere but I didn´t find it): Is the price for the Cello already settled and is there a group buy (:p ) planned?
Best regards
RaindogThe price is settled at $199 and available bow at www.garritan.com

We hope to receive product from the manufacturer by next week.

Gary Garritan

[Marcussen]

I asked Giorgio for that during development, and we had long discussion, but unfortunately I've been not able of convincing him. He still focus on sound and consider noise like a secondary gadget.

But I agree with you: the noisy imperfection should be something to study and reproduce with algorithms or controllers, (instead of difficoult and arbitrary mix of prerecorded noises after the sound rendering) : it should dramatically increase realism during performance, even and mainly in realtime (...realtime playability being the personal obsession of Giorgio...;-)!.

Right. The fact that Giorgio considers it "gimmicky" (if thats what you mean) then its really sad - and will limit the instruments realism. It suggets to me that he has not really sat down and analized in entirety what is needed to make a sampled instrument "real". In fact I would argue its one of the most important aspects - especially for stringed instruments. Listening to any real recording of a solo instrument should make this very clear... Its a shame - perhaps it can be added later.

[Garritan]

Right. The fact that Giorgio considers it "gimmicky" (if thats what you mean) then its really sad - and will limit the instruments realism. It suggets to me that he has not really sat down and analized in entirety what is needed to make a sampled instrument "real". In fact I would argue its one of the most important aspects - especially for stringed instruments. Listening to any real recording of a solo instrument should make this very clear... Its a shame - perhaps it can be added later.
Usually sample libraries are criticized for their imperfections. Now this is the first I heard of a sample library being too perfect. ~| :D ;)

Tone and technique are critical and the most important aspects of a cello instrument and it was right for Giorgio to focus on those aspects.

The necessary and essential noises are included in the Gofriller Cello library. Bow noise accounts for the vast majority of the noise with a cello. The Gofriller Cello has unprecedented bow control with seperate bow noise layers and programming. AFAIK no other solo string library has this particular bow noise control. Fingers and bows leaving the string are inherent in the samples.

Random extraneous noises like chair creakiness, back of the bow hitting the instrument, coughs, hall noises, body movements, flatulence, etc. are the type of things sample developers want to eliminate and the types of noises virtuoso performers try to avoid. If you are sitting on top of the cello you may hear them, but a distance from the cello in the audience you many not hear them. Performance nuances and anomolies certainly are desired and can be performed with this instrument, but random unwanted noises are less significant in the overall scheme of things. If someone wants them it would be very easy to simply record them or add them from existing free noise collections (like Bela D or Marteen). It's also easy to add them if there is ever a need for them.

Thanks for your comments.

Gary Garritan

[vic_france]

I think that the "imperfections" we are talking about is the ability to recreate "player imperfections"..e.g. the occasional "uncertainty" of tone when the player doesn't quite get his bowing perfect for the first second or so, or the occasional bad intonation (pitch) in the middle of a difficult passage. In the case of the cello, there are also (too frequently!) unintentional resonances from other strings, or particularly when changing to another string and not stopping the current one, etc.
Having said that, I think that everything we've heard online so far does sound pretty darn good! :)

[Garritan]

I think that the "imperfections" we are talking about is the ability to recreate "player imperfections"..e.g. the occasional "uncertainty" of tone when the player doesn't quite get his bowing perfect for the first second or so, or the occasional bad intonation (pitch) in the middle of a difficult passage. In the case of the cello, there are also (too frequently!) unintentional resonances from other strings, or particularly when changing to another string and not stopping the current one, etc.
Having said that, I think that everything we've heard online so far does sound pretty darn good! :)Precisely vic_france! :) Very good observation.

This is what lends realism more than anything else. These "player imperfections" which you describe are exactly what the Gofriller cello is capable of - because it is an instrument played in real time and subject to the same imperfections of human performance. Thanks for bringing this up.

Gary Garritan

[Marcussen]

Usually sample libraries are criticized for their imperfections. Now this is the first I heard of a sample library being too perfect.

Really? I doubt that - it's one of the main critisisms of VSL.


The necessary and essential noises are included in the Gofriller Cello library. Bow noise accounts for the vast majority of the noise with a cello. The Gofriller Cello has unprecedented bow control with seperate bow noise layers and programming. AFAIK no other solo string library has this particular bow noise control. Fingers and bows leaving the string are inherent in the samples.

These are the imperfections I'm talking about - so thats great! Fingers leaving, bow noise etc. This is really good! I must have been a little vague - you thought I was talking about chair squeeks? http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/images/smilies/crazy1.gif I'm taking about exactly the things vic mentions.


And I see I now have a red icon for "shameless" behavior? who gave it to me? So I comment on the Gofriller other than "wow Gary that sounds better than the real thing" and then I get this? Come'on thats just plain silly!

[Raindog]

The price is settled at $199 and available bow at www.garritan.com (http://www.garritan.com)

We hope to receive product from the manufacturer by next week.

Gary Garritan


That sounds very good. I hope the German distributors will pass on the (currently) good exchange rate :)

It´s pay day next week and I always wanted to play cello )(~

[StrangeCat]

how come it doesn't sound deep and rich. Why would playablitiy take away that tone? it sounds sort of thin? Did the technology do something to it to make it sound that way.
Looks like another winner but I am not to sure about your tone for string instruments I have the Stradivari it rocks and once again I have little bit of thing with the tone but the playablity more then makes up for it and the Virbrato.
Cello is a rich and deep sounding instrument...Listen to some YoyoMa^_-
I'll still buy it though even though I have a thing with the tone again HA!
StrangeCat:n:

[Garritan]

Wow Gary,

This is like a mini instrumentation class for the cello. The only thing missing are the scores, the range charts and a lot of redundant text!

BTW, the cello sounds absolutely great! I remember some early test demos that many (including me) thought was a bit metallic. It's clear that you took the various feedback seriously. These demos sound wonderful.

Jon,

Range chart and redundant text is what the manual will be about. ::D

[bbybeaniej]

Wow! :wow: The demos are astonishing!)(~ The Cello sounds rich and warm. Some of these techniques demonstrated I had never heard any sample library that could do these. This is a real breakthrough. Hats off to the team!
When is this going to be shipping do you think?

[Haydn]

You can add some imperfection to the playing by adjusting the amount of bow noise and also tuning. The pitch bend range is not logarithmic. It has slight pitch changes towards the middle range and doesn't get extreme until you hit the outer range. I use this to add imperfections to runs and it works great for double stops.

You can also change the tone of the cello by using different IR's. There are 4 different ones to choose from.

Jim

[Garritan]

These are the imperfections I'm talking about
OK .... the imperfections ;)

Well do something imperfect... Be right back......


.

[Garritan]

I couldn't think of anything that could possibily be worse than a cello demo before morning coffee... After many unending minutes of practice...

Twinkle Twinle Played with bad intonation:
http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-awefulintonation.mp3

A really aweful scale: http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-awefulsscale.mp3

Do you think Yo-Yo Ma has anything to be worried about? :D :|:


http://www.garritan.com/Cello/anicello.gif

[DPDAN]

Gary, you know I don't drink coffee, but now, I am glad I am not more alert than I am.

I really like twinkle twinkle little star
that was great!
Dan :D

[Braindrop]

I clearly didn't give you permission to sample me! You'll hear from my lawyers! :samurai:

[vic_france]

That was terrible!.. errrm, I mean, wonderful!.. errm, you know what I mean! :D

[Houston Haynes]

I just caught up to this thread, Gary. The demos are fantastic.

But I've got to say, arguing about algorithmic inclusion of bowing noise is like asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin... c'mon guys, leave something for version 2!

:D

[Garritan]

I clearly didn't give you permission to sample me! You'll hear from my lawyers! :samurai:You caught me! Uh oh :eek: I cal almost hear the lawyers coming for the cello - :hp:http://www.garritan.com/Cello/rd_crazyseals.mp3 :hp:;)

[Garritan]

That was terrible!.. errrm, I mean, wonderful!.. errm, you know what I mean! :DWhy...thank you vic_france....I think :confused: ;) And thanks for perfect clarification of imperfection. :D

[Marcussen]

I couldn't think of anything that could possibily be worse than a cello demo before morning coffee... After many unending minutes of practice...

Twinkle Twinle Played with bad intonation:
http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-awefulintonation.mp3

A really aweful scale: http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-awefulsscale.mp3

Do you think Yo-Yo Ma has anything to be worried about? :D :|:


http://www.garritan.com/Cello/anicello.gif


LOL - the funny thing is that the actual sound of the aweful intonation demo is in fact the most realistic of all the demos I have heard. The sound is less synthy and actually quite real. I'm impressed. :cool:

[Raindog]

LOL - the funny thing is that the actual sound of the aweful intonation demo is in fact the most realistic of all the demos I have heard. The sound is less synthy and actually quite real. I'm impressed. :cool:

Funny, this is just what I thought. The intonation sounds actually warmer then the ones I heard from the demos (though the demos sound good enough for me to buy the instrument).

Raindog

BTW: Your "shameless behaviour" has been changed to a star (which is what you deserve more). Don´t know exactly what this wants to say :confused: People be shameless if you want to reach the stars?

[Marcussen]

Funny, this is just what I thought. The intonation sounds actually warmer then the ones I heard from the demos (though the demos sound good enough for me to buy the instrument).

Raindog

BTW: Your "shameless behaviour" has been changed to a star (which is what you deserve more). Don´t know exactly what this wants to say :confused: People be shameless if you want to reach the stars?

hehe - it means some kind soul clicked to give me a star rather than a red icon, which was non-sense :D

Seems I can remove my signature now.

Anyway regarding the demo - yup - that demo could actually make me buy the cello - funny really :)

[Garritan]

Wow! :wow: The demos are astonishing!)(~ The Cello sounds rich and warm. Some of these techniques demonstrated I had never heard any sample library that could do these. This is a real breakthrough. Hats off to the team!
When is this going to be shipping do you think?We expect to receive our shipment next week. So we'll be shipping as soon as we receive it.

Gary Garritan

[Fabio]

Funny, this is just what I thought. The intonation sounds actually warmer then the ones I heard from the demos (though the demos sound good enough for me to buy the instrument).

Raindog

BTW: Your "shameless behaviour" has been changed to a star (which is what you deserve more). Don´t know exactly what this wants to say :confused: People be shameless if you want to reach the stars?

for several technical and artistic reasons (the first because of convolution response, the second because it happens with real players), Giorgio (and me...;-) is suggesting from the beginning the use of micro pitch-bend variations to make the sound more live and realistic.
It has been discussed even in Stradi tutorial (at list in my own...;-)

[Tom Hopkins]

"Twinkle Twinkle" reminded me of a piece called "Pedestrial March" created by Matteo Bossi a couple of years ago for the GPO "worst demo" contest. It too is hilarious but it also strikes me as one of the most realistic demos I've heard. Took me right back to junior high band. Matteo used the variability tools in GPO but used them with a vengeance. I dug around and found the file; here it is:

www.garritan.com/mp3/PedestrialMarch.mp3 (http://www.garritan.com/mp3/PedestrialMarch.mp3)

Tom

[Haydn]

We had student led conferences at my son's school a couple weeks ago. The Pedestrial March is quite close to what the band sounded like! My son is in 7th grade this year. They had a really bad band director in 5th and 6th grades for many of the kids so they band director this year is getting kids that are a year behind.

The band director led the kids through a normal daily rehearsal of a piece. Many of the kids weren't watching him and had their faces buried in the music obviously causing them to not be together. He had to remind them quite a few times to watch him especially as he was changing the tempo for the first time that day just to see if they were watching him. The instruments in the Pedestrial March are just too perfect sounding. The flutes need to have more air, clarinets need more squeaks and sqawks, trumpets splitting more notes, etc. Plus you have to have the at least one drum stick dropped during the performance.

I could tell which kids practice at home. During their last concert I could hear a baritone sax and a few other instruments constantly miss notes. As I was sitting next to them during the conference, I could tell they were just totally lost.

Watching my son's band during a rehearsal like this really took me back to my days in band! BTW, the band director is doing a really good job this year and the kids have come a long ways from where they started at the beginning of the year. I'm also turning the band director on to some of the new computer based sampling libraries. I gave him a CD of a bunch of JABB demos with quite a few of my Chicago and Blood, Sweat and Tears numbers.

Jim

[JonFairhurst]

Great post Haydn,

My youngest son is now in 9th grade and plays flute. He has had excellent band teachers since 6th grade, but he feels that in high school he is advancing much more quickly.

Why? He says it's because they are playing many more pieces, forcing him to do more sight reading.

BTW, band is so popular that they fill the band room during two different periods. The only time they all play together is at concerts, marches and games. Though, I have to say, that hearing the Nutcracker played by over 120 students and no strings was *a bit* heavy handed. My son called it "The Ballcracker" ;)

Oh, and the biggest problem with The Pedestrian March? The drums should play forte at all times and be on the beat at no time. ;)

[Haydn]

Jon,

They actually split up the band he's in. They only have the brass and saxes in his daily class. The woodwinds are on another day and the drums are a separate class. They normally only rehearse the full band just before performances. These are just 7th grade classes. The 8th grade band is separate.

Jim

[horselesspaul]

Do you think Yo-Yo Ma has anything to be worried about? :D

If I were him I would be worried about: my intonation, tone and obsessive need for speed. Fwiw.


The demos sound good by the way..

[Garritan]

Here is another short demo showing a variety of techniques:

http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-atonal.mp3

Enjoy!

Gary Garritan

[Garritan]

And another demo by Robert using the Cello and Strad:

http://www.garritan.com/Cello/Cello-rock.mp3

:hp::hp::hp:

[Garritan]

When is this going to be shipping do you think?

Today )(~

[Sr_Velasco]

Today )(~

Hi Gary,

Is it true or you were kidding? :D

In your site still says "Shipping Winter 2007"

Cheers!

[tfishbein82]

Hi Gary,

Is it true or you were kidding? :D

In your site still says "Shipping Winter 2007"

Cheers!
Well it happens to be winter (at least for a few more days). And it happens to be 2007.

[Sr_Velasco]

Well it happens to be winter (at least for a few more days). And it happens to be 2007.

Oh man! I am blind as a bat. I don't know why but I was thinking in summer.

Sorry for the misunderstood!

[nikolas]

Gary,

Everytime I look one of your products I think to myself:
i. Nya... I don't need it.
ii. Nya... It won't be able to do what I need it to do...
iii. Nya... I don't have the money.

and then you come and post the cello-atonal piece for which I'm stunned so the answers go like this:
i. SO WHAT? You will need it and if you have it you will use it!
ii. Oh yes it will! Did you check the demos!??? Especially that cello-atonal one?
iii. Sell your inner organs, or steal from a bank, steal from someplace else, do something anyways...

:P

Anyways, may I ask the composer behind the cello-atonal piece 5-6 posts above me please? :)

Nikolas

[Garritan]

Oh man! I am blind as a bat. I don't know why but I was thinking in summer.

Sorry for the misunderstood!Because in Spain it usually is summer all the time...:D ;)

[Ivan P]

Because in Spain it usually is summer all the time...:D ;)

Unfortunately it is...damn climatic change...sorry for going Off topic, but this is really happening here in Spain...:(