"Crypt" question

[kip]

Is this avant-garde library meant to supplement a traditional libray? If I were to use it to write a piece for string quartet & prepared piano, would I require something like VSL's solo strings to handle the more traditional techniques & Crypt for all the extended techniques? The reason I ask is because VSL is having a huge sale on non-V.I. instruments.

[nikolas]

Can you please, specify which "crypt" library you are talking about? I've never heard of such a name and google is not being helpful, no matter how kindly I ask.

[AlexDavis]

I've never heard of this library, but I'm interested in checking it out. Do you have a link??

Thanks,

Alex

[Marcussen]

Is this avant-garde library meant to supplement a traditional libray? If I were to use it to write a piece for string quartet & prepared piano, would I require something like VSL's solo strings to handle the more traditional techniques & Crypt for all the extended techniques? The reason I ask is because VSL is having a huge sale on non-V.I. instruments.

Unless the concept has changed significantly over the past year then you can safely buy VSL without overlap.

[AlexDavis]

Although I don't think "crypt" is a VSL library. Couldn't find much sign of it by googling it.

-A

[danpowers]

I believe "Crypt" is a project-in-progress from Bela D.

Also, I believe the VSL Horizon solo strings (the ones that were on sale) have already been discontinued and are no longer available.

[kip]

"Unless the concept has changed significantly over the past year then you can safely buy VSL without overlap."

Thanks for your response.

What I'm after is to have, for now, a small chamber orch made up of solo instruments with the hope that I can write post-modern music with.

So just to be clear: if I were to buy Horizon solo strings and supplemented it with solo string articulations from the Crypt, I would be better off then buying V.I. solo strings std. & ext. library. The question now is whether Crypt will consider articulations like sul ponticello & sul tasto as part of their set up. I mention this only because so many developers do not include them like VSL, Hunter etc...



P.S. I guess Bela d Media will use N.I. as their sample engine for Crypt?

[AlexDavis]

It's probably going to be difficult (or maybe even impossible) to match them. Sometimes it's even hard to match articulations from within the same library! (Especially considering that it's a solo instrument library).

You might want to get in touch with the folks at Bela D to see if they know the VSL Solo Strings library well enough to say if it will blend with their own.

Where can I find info on "Crypt?" I scoured the Bela D site, didn't find anything.

If you're going for a chamber sound, you might want to consider VSL's Chamber Strings. Although I think you'll be hard pressed to find any serious extended technique. (you can check out the articulation list on the VSL site)

-Alex

[geronimo001]

I believe "Crypt" is a project-in-progress from Bela D.

Also, I believe the VSL Horizon solo strings (the ones that were on sale) have already been discontinued and are no longer available.

They are still available in some places in Europe.

[nikolas]

kip:

PLEASE read the posts! Many people are asking for further info on "crypt", and nothing is to be found. Yes, I could just ask Frank, but in all, try to be more precise to what you ask.

Sul pont, and especially sul tasto are not really contemporary techniques. If you want contemporary techniques, I would suggest searching over at xsamples ( http://www.xsample.de/html/solo_strings.html ). 4.08 GB for solo strings. That seems... enough...

[nikolas]

Interestingly enough they are only offereing solo instruments, there are no sections strings, and it's specifically designed for modern chamber music.
If you consider that "normal" orchestral libraries come from:
a.Garritan
b.EW
c.VSL
d.Kirk
e.MOTU
f.Steinberg
g.Roland
and the list goes on...

I only know xsample that does contemporary techniques... A sure (small-ish) market

[kip]

“Where can I find info on "Crypt?" I scoured the Bela D site, didn't find anything.”

The only place you will find any info is if you search the forums like this one. Bela D’ Media is keeping it very hush-hush, not sure why.

As for blending Crypt with VSL or whatever, well I can’t imagine it not working after all I don’t think Bella D expect composers to write music using only extended techniques. I think I will take you’re advice on trying to ask them directly, but not sure I will get an answer since they are being very cryptic about it all.

[Bela D Media]

“Where can I find info on "Crypt?" I scoured the Bela D site, didn't find anything.”

The project has been removed from our 2007/2008 production line-up. We will post additional details if and when they become available. Thank you for your interest in Bela D Media.

Francis Belardino
Bela D Media.com

[Pingu]

The project has been removed from our 2007/2008 production line-up. We will post additional details if and when they become available. Thank you for your interest in Bela D Media.

Francis Belardino
Bela D Media.com

Sorry to hear that - I was really looking forward to this one.

[kip]

“If you're looking for post-modern "serious" composition, those demo's that xsamples had of their new K2 version sounded pretty good to me. Lots of contemporary articulations (multiphonics in winds, etc.) and it sounds like it might be worth you looking into. Interestingly enough they are only offereing solo instruments, there are no sections strings, and it's specifically designed for modern chamber music.”

Thanks for pointing that out, Tom. I wasn’t aware that Xsample had improved on their list of articulations. It’s a good start, but somehow I think Crypt will be more extensive in regards to ext. techniques & colour. I’m hoping that Bela d’s Crypt will have sampled different fingerings for the same note when playing multiphonics on wind inst., for example. Same with strings, same note different string for a different tone. Who knows, I may have to get both, but I would like to start with Crypt, then I would know what else is needed.

[kip]

"The project has been removed from our 2007/2008 production line-up. We will post additional details if and when they become available. Thank you for your interest in Bela D Media."

Francis Belardino
Bela D Media.com


That is really disappointing news. I've been banking my hopes on this for the past two years. I think it would sell very well if you coupled your efforts with Sibelius. There has to be hundreds of students, profs and professional composers who would love to have such a useful product for a number of reasons.

[nikolas]

The project has been removed from our 2007/2008 production line-up. We will post additional details if and when they become available. Thank you for your interest in Bela D Media.

Francis Belardino
Bela D Media.com
Looking forward, Frank. :)

[Hans-Josef]

Hi kip,
I'm a little annoyed because you compare the Xsample Kontakt2 Library with a product, which is not available. This is only based on your fantasy and in my opinion it is totally unnecessary to do such comparisons.

Best,
Hans Josef

[kip]

Hi Hans-Josef,

Point taken, though there have been quite a few postings that would lead one to assume a specialized, “avant-garde & electroacoustic instrument library.” However, you’re right; it's not fair to compare Xsample Kontakt2 that lists all of it’s articulations and is available to something that is not available and have no real facts. Also, I would like to add that I did not realize you had added so many more demos on your site. I did listen to them late last night and I was very impressed - definitely worth considering.

All the best!

[Hans-Josef]

Dear kip,
thanks for your response and listening to our new demos!
Have a nice day,
Hans Josef

[Tomdini]

Man, I am soooo looking forward to the new material for Xsample's K2 library. I get all giggly like a Catholic school girl just thinking about it...

RELEASE IT, ALREADY!! RELEAAAAASE THE POOOWWWEEERRRR ! ! ! ! ! !

:wow:

-Tom

[geronimo001]

X-Sample Oboe is a pure delight, is it just me or what? It's the best tone wise. I wish there were more articulation though. Are there more articulation in the K2 version?

[Hans-Josef]

Dear geronimo001,
the oboe has now Flatterzunge / flutter tongue.
Dear Tom,
my english is to bad to know what a giggly catholic school girl is, but it sounds really nice...The Xsample Kontakt2 library is comming...

cheers,
Hans Josef

[Hans-Josef]

Oh, I forgot:

THANKS for all your positive feedback!

Hans Josef