Anyone successfully running Cubase SX and Gigastudio on 1 PC?

[Alan Lastufka]

Anyone successfully running Cubase SX and Gigastudio on 1 PC?

Here is my system:

Pentium 4 2.4GHz w/ 533MHz FSB
1.5GB of RDRAM PC1066
Total 180GB HDDs

I would like to sequence in Cubase and sample thru Gigastudio back into Cubase.

[His Frogness]

Can\'t help you Alan, but I do know this:

I have a P4, 2.6. 800 FSB, and only 512 RAM, and I can run Kontakt, Reaktor, Halion and RM IV all at the same time in SX, live, without a problem. I do have Giga on another machine, and I\'m fairly familiar with it. I doubt it could be as processor-intensive as all those apps running at the same time. I\'d bet your machine can handle it.

The only thing I don\'t know is if Giga is technically capable of running on the same machine as your Multi-tracking software. I think it\'s been done. Let me know how it works out.

[Alan Lastufka]

Originally posted by His Frogness:
The only thing I don\'t know is if Giga is technically capable of running on the same machine as your Multi-tracking software. I think it\'s been done. Let me know how it works out. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">This was my fear also. I heard that the Kontakt player and Giga don\'t play well either. I would like to run GPO along with the Giga libs, but I\'ve been warned of a complete meltdown because of the different coding on the apps.

Gigastudio is in the mail, I will let you know, hopefully it will be here for the weekend.

In the meantime, can anyone set my mind to ease about the two living on one? I really don\'t have the funds for a dedicated Giga machine.

[midphase]

I think the very reason that makes Giga very reliable as a disk streaming application, also makes it not play well with others. I suspect that the Kernel level programming that goes on behind the scenes in Giga interferes with other disk and processor intensive applications on the same machine.

[Edward]

GigaStudio3 with REWIRE = Problem solved images/icons/grin.gif

I just bought Giga 2.5 but refuse to install it on my one machine with Cubase until GS3.0 comes out. I only bought it to pay the $50 upgrade when GS3 comes out.

Now, on the other hand I have heard of people accomplishing this with 2.5...I think it has to do with turn off the audio ports giga uses in cubase...Then the two can theoretically coexist.

[Edward]

images/icons/tongue.gif ignore - dbl post

[Alan Lastufka]

Originally posted by Edward:
GigaStudio3 with REWIRE = Problem solved images/icons/grin.gif

I just bought Giga 2.5 but refuse to install it on my one machine with Cubase until GS3.0 comes out. I only bought it to pay the $50 upgrade when GS3 comes out.
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Thanks guys. Diddo Ed with the upgrade, I was just hoping to use it before April... images/icons/smile.gif

[B]

Originally posted by Alan Lastufka:
Anyone successfully running Cubase SX and Gigastudio on 1 PC?

Here is my system:

Pentium 4 2.4GHz w/ 533MHz FSB
1.5GB of RDRAM PC1066
Total 180GB HDDs

I would like to sequence in Cubase and sample thru Gigastudio back into Cubase. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Alan,
I\'ve done this although not with huge amounts of samples in Giga or audio tracks in SX, but I was only using a PIII 1 gig at the time.

After you\'ve installed Giga, run it before running Cubase and disable outputs 1,2 in Giga (Cubase grabs these outs so if you leave them enabled it\'ll cause problems).
Close Giga and run SX and disable whatever Giga outs you are using(3,4?) so that each output pair is only assigned to one app.

Now close Cubase and run Giga again, go to \'Setting Hardware\'and set all midi inputs to \'None\' then go to \'Settings General\' and set Sequencer priority to about 5 and click apply, (you\'ll need to experiment with this).

now run Cubase, you should find 4 Giga midi ports available in SX and that should be it.

If possible, use 3 HD\'s, 1 for system, 1 for Gigs and 1 for audio.

Recording Giga back into Cubase depends on your audio card, I use a Pulsar which can route internally, you may need to wire outs 3,4 to ins 1,2 or something. Otherwise you could use the Giga record feature and import the waves into SX.

Hope this helps

Brian

[Scott Cairns]

I\'ve been doing it for a while.

Cubase SX 2.01
Giga 2.54
Athlon 2600 processor
1 gig of ram

I run my entire string and brass template from Giga and can also load up Atmosphere and various plugs in Cubase.

I have a samples drive, Western Digital with 8 meg cache dedicated to streaming samples only.

Been running great for me. I do run Win XP pretty lean though, no visual effects at all, lots of uneccessary services turned off. No virtual memory, etc, etc.

[Alan Lastufka]

Thanks Brian, I will definetly give this a go the day GigaStudio arrives! Thanks for the detailed response...

[Alan Lastufka]

Scott, what\'s your processor/RAM set-up, if you don\'t mind me asking? Sounds like it\'s been pretty smooth for you?

[Chris Luke]

Athlon XP 1800
1BG PC 2100 RAM
Asus a7m266 mobo
3 Seagate SCSI Drives
3 IDE Drives
XP Pro (no service pack)
Darla 24
Creamware Luna II with Pulsar XTC Board
Scope Fusion Platform 3.1c

Cubase SX 2.0 & Gigastudio 160 2.5 work perfectly together - day in and day out.

[dalamein]

Alan

Although, you cannot load tons of Giga Instrumens as to a dedicated machine, a system that houses 2GB of Ram and a combo of 8MB cache drives will work great! Also make sure if you set yourself up with more than two drives, to try an go Serial ATA if possible. Try to dedicate the Audio and Sample drives on a Seperate Serial ATA Bus. Make sure you are not counter sharing your outputs between Giga and Cubase. Giga = Streaming, Cubase VSTI (CPU/Ram), with that combination, and a good soundcard, I think you could pull it off, and work moderately within Giga and Cubase.


Dave

[Houston Haynes]

Hey Alan, I was able to set up Cubase SX and GigaStudio on the same machine - which ran with stability for the last six months of my tenure with it. However, getting to that point of stability was a bit problematic and tenuous. I eventually got HALion and that, as they say, was that. But, for the most part - setting up separate sets of dedicated outputs for Cubase versus GigaStudio does the trick. There may be other bones of contention, but that relates more to the quality of drivers you\'re using with your soundcard and the system hardware and its ability to allocate resources when things start to get close to the limit of memory and CPU resources.

In essence, once you take care of the baseline functional stuff, then you\'ll need to monitor performance as you add instruments, voice count, and system complexity. There\'s no reason why you can\'t get the two to behave together well enough if you\'re willing to rely on the experience of others. images/icons/wink.gif

If there was a way to go for HALion or Kontakt instead, I\'d love to see you spend more time with those apps. You\'ll likely spend more time making music with them and less time tweaking and troubleshooting your system as would with GS.

I would also *not* recommend you go to the latest version of GigaStudio 3.0 when it comes out unless you are developing for that platform. I don\'t think the features will be stable, and there will probably not be enough libraries out there to expoit the new feature set - even if they do deliver in April.

All that said - the beef in your system should be able to handle things fine. I\'d add another 512MB of RAM if you find a good deal on quality memory.

[Scott Cairns]

Originally posted by Alan Lastufka:
Scott, what\'s your processor/RAM set-up, if you don\'t mind me asking? Sounds like it\'s been pretty smooth for you? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Alan, sorry I posted my system specs as an afterthought without even noticing your message.

I dont know if I have been blindingly lucky but I really havent had any issues run the two apps on the same machine.

One quirk with my midi though, I have to launch Giga first, then Cubase. Otherwise Giga wont respond to midi at all. Oh, and I dont launch Cubase from inside Giga, I launch it seperately.

It could also have to do with the sound card you use, I run a Delta 44 that is GSIF/ASIO compatible and it doesnt seem to have any issues running seperate audio apps concurrently.

[WayneSim]

2.6c
1gb 3200LL ram
2 SATA Hard Drives
(1 for samples, 1 for for audio)
1 ATA 7200 Hard drive, 8mb, for programs.

I used to only have 2 hard drives, one for programs and one for samples/audio. And it still worked fine.

Let me explain how I do things. SX plays midi tracks, then I sent it onto Giga which plays the samples. Once i\'m happy with the sound. I then create audio tracks in SX and record all the Audio coming from giga (max stereo audio channels i\'ve done is about 16. I rarely use over 16 instruments in gigastuio for a song)... Then I can close Giga and get into the mixing and mastering side of the audio. I only other thing I should note is that creamware\'s SFP is running all the channel routing and maybe some effects during this whole process.

That how I do it. I love it!!!

[Milan Digital Audio]

This was my fear also. I heard that the Kontakt player and Giga don\'t play well either. I would like to run GPO along with the Giga libs, but I\'ve been warned of a complete meltdown because of the different coding on the apps.
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hello! My main system is able to run both Kontakt 1.2 and Giga Studio 96 both as DXi\'s running in Sonar 2.0 XL at the same time flawlessly (well, 99% of the time.) My PC is as follows:
Win XP
AMD Athlon XP1800
1.5GB SDRAM
2 Hard Drives (140GB & 35GB)(Giga Samples stream from both.)

I\'ve done some demos using piano in Kontakt as a solo instrument against orchestral samples in Giga. I\'ve had just about all 16 midi channels in use in Giga as well with no problems. I was also getting great results even while running the Giga NFX1 Reverb. I always thought it was too good to be true, but they will work together!

[Hildog]

Originally posted by Houston Haynes:
If there was a way to go for HALion or Kontakt instead, I\'d love to see you spend more time with those apps. You\'ll likely spend more time making music with them and less time tweaking and troubleshooting your system as would with GS.

I would also *not* recommend you go to the latest version of GigaStudio 3.0 when it comes out unless you are developing for that platform. I don\'t think the features will be stable, and there will probably not be enough libraries out there to expoit the new feature set - even if they do deliver in April.
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">If you have Giga libs with complex articulation switches, what you will spend your time doing instead of troubleshooting your system is converting/re-programming sample libs so that they almost work like they do in Giga. If it\'s important to you that things work as programmed in Giga, stick with Giga.

If you want to take someone\'s advice about a product that nobody\'s used yet, go ahead...But at this point, there\'s no reason or evidence to assume anything about the stability of Giga 3. If it works as advertised, it\'s gonna be great even with the currently available libraries.

[Ray Lindsley]

I\'ve been running the two for quite a while without many problems on a similat setup as yours: 2.4 gHz 533 P4, 1 Gig RAM (but I ordered a 3 gig 800 P4 an another gig of RAM that I should get tommorrow images/icons/tongue.gif ). Brian is correct in that Giga is picky about sharing sound cards and also midi interfaces with Cubase.

I just came across a great solution, though. I got a ESI Wami Rack 192X soundcard and breakout box. The drivers have a feature called DirectWire that allows you to connect the GSIF driver outputs to the cards Asio 2 inputs in Cubase, and I can record directly from Giga to cubase. I love this ability since, when I recorded using the Giga wave capture, I would get a lot of problems with the giga audio going out of sync with the cubase audio when I imported it into Cubase.

[Alan Lastufka]

Wow,

Thanks everyone, this really makes me breathe easier, I was affraid I\'d have to take out another loan just for a Giga machine...

I\'d love to add more RAM Houston, but my MoBo and RAM type (RDRAM RAMBUS PC1066) max out at 1.5GB images/icons/frown.gif .

I will most likely upgrade to Kontakt in the future utilizing Garritan\'s upgrade offer, but most of the libs I\'m looking at now (GOS / OPUS 1) have special programming for GigaStudio only.

Thanks again guys, I\'ll keep you up-to-speed on how things get running once everything arrives...

[Chadwick]

Ray,

How are you finding that Egosys card generally? I have always worried about the \'robustness\' of their drivers.

[Houston Haynes]

I use an EgoSys WaMiRack 24 on PC1 and WaveTerminal 192L on PC2. Their drivers absolutely ROCK. The DirectWire was a good route, but I found myself simply writing to disk and then importing the tracks to the pool in Cubase SX 2. Either one should work well. I\'m using the native drivers to carry VST System link between PCs and it works without a hitch.

Kontakt\'s Giga conversion is not all it should be, so if you\'re going to buy Kontakt right now, buy it for editing and its native libraries. Once they get the Giga format completly dovetailed into their architecture, you can look at conversion as an option. HALion does a nearly seamless job of importing Giga, including some pretty deep crossfade and keyswitched libraries. However, that\'s really only with the latest versions, so the reputation is not there with the larger community, yet. It remains to be seen if Steinberg will ever get thier publicity machine to wake up and start marketing for the products that have been out more than six days.

In your case, Giga should get you there...

[paynterr]

I run cubase sx with halion and coverted giga samples (GOS, dan dean, VSL etc.) and get amazing levels of polyphony that knock the socks of what giga2.5 can do. I can recommend that as a solution, unless you are attached to the nuances of GS and would rather avoid the pleasing integration of Halion images/icons/wink.gif Just kidding.
I run all this on a single 1gig machine and manage to play big orchestral pieces with great success.

[B]

Originally posted by Ray Lindsley:

I just came across a great solution, though. I got a ESI Wami Rack 192X soundcard and breakout box. The drivers have a feature called DirectWire that allows you to connect the GSIF driver outputs to the cards Asio 2 inputs in Cubase, and I can record directly from Giga to cubase. I love this ability since, when I recorded using the Giga wave capture, I would get a lot of problems with the giga audio going out of sync with the cubase audio when I imported it into Cubase. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Ray,
If you want to do that kind of thing, you should have a look at Creamware cards, not only can you port Gsf ports into Asio ports, but you can insert reverbs compressors, mixers or whatever in betwewen and as the FX run on DSP they have no latency.
Only problem is once you get used to it you want more dsp images/icons/smile.gif
Brian

[Alfalfa]

Originally posted by B:

After you\'ve installed Giga, run it before running Cubase and disable outputs 1,2 in Giga (Cubase grabs these outs so if you leave them enabled it\'ll cause problems).
Close Giga and run SX and disable whatever Giga outs you are using(3,4?) so that each output pair is only assigned to one app.

Brian [/QB]<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I changed the assignment in Giga to 3,4 and I got no sound after that. I\'m using an M Audio Audiophile, so I think I\'m stuck with just two outputs. I only have stereo analog out with this card. I assume when you say assign Giga to 3,4, this is with cards that have 4 or more physical analog outputs?

Thanks.

[B]

[/QB][/QUOTE]I changed the assignment in Giga to 3,4 and I got no sound after that. I\'m using an M Audio Audiophile, so I think I\'m stuck with just two outputs. I only have stereo analog out with this card. I assume when you say assign Giga to 3,4, this is with cards that have 4 or more physical analog outputs?

Thanks. [/QB][/QUOTE]

When you set Giga to 3,4 on an Audiophile, the giga output goes to the Spdif out.
If you go to your Audiophile panel then Patchbay/Router and set the main output to \"Monitor Mixer\" you should hear giga out the analog outs as well.

Brian

[Alfalfa]

Originally posted by B:
When you set Giga to 3,4 on an Audiophile, the giga output goes to the Spdif out.
If you go to your Audiophile panel then Patchbay/Router and set the main output to \"Monitor Mixer\" you should hear giga out the analog outs as well.

Brian [/QB]<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Thanks! That did it. I actually had the main output set to \"Monitor Mixer\" already, but I simply had the volume turned down as well as muted for the S/PDIF outputs. Amazing what you find when you actually look at the mixer settings. images/icons/smile.gif

Thanks again!

[Alan Lastufka]

Hey guys,

Well GigaStudio arrived on Friday and after a little tinkering yesterday I was able to get Cubase SX 2.0.1 and GigaStudio 2.0 to play VERY nicely on the same machine.

I haven\'t tried testing the levels of polyphony yet... but it was running a very nice GOS string orchestra yesterday without even blinking!

Thanks so much for all your help guys, I, and my music, appretiate it.