So no VSL for me?! [Archive] - Northern Sound Source

bluedane

07-10-2003, 12:42 PM

Looks like VSL has no intention of releasing the performance tools for PC logic. I\'m running logic 5.5 for Windows.

If I buy VSL there\'s no way I\'m going to turn around and buy a mac on top of it ($$$$).

this sucks. this is why I want to know if I should wait for EWQLSO.

(and gigastudio is out. Doesn\'t plug back into the synth, limited voices, limited fx, expensive. I guess it has a following but I can\'t see what it has over EXS, Kontact, Halion, etc.)

thanks all-
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-denny-

kid-surf

07-10-2003, 12:57 PM

Um...? You may just want to go ahead and post this on the \"VSL\" site too....

Just say\'n... graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif

J. Whaley

07-10-2003, 01:00 PM

My personal thoughts.. buy a Mac, get the logic cross grade - it\'s worth it TOTALLY. Then just run giga or whatever on your second machine. And wait for VSL until you can afford it. images/icons/smile.gif Not what you wanted to hear probably by that\'s my thoughts

MDesigner

07-10-2003, 01:01 PM

By performance tools, do you mean the legato? I thought it doesn\'t matter what sequencer you use.. it\'s just a MIDI loopback, like the Marble Sound stuff.. isn\'t it?

bluedane

07-10-2003, 01:06 PM

it\'s not quite the same, I think. It\'s sort of like Gary\'s Maestro tools - auto alternators, things that clip off samples for smooth legato playing, etc.
-d-

p.s. *NO*! Not what I wanted to hear! =)
\'Course, I\'m not sure anybody could tell me that right now unless a free mac comes with VSL or vice-versa. =)

... maintain a sense of humor ...

bluedane

07-10-2003, 01:12 PM

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It looks like people are getting the giga samples and importing into Kontact (not that I own Kontact)...
...hope reigns eternal ...
-d-

that would also let me use FXFreeze which would be very cool...

-d-

MDesigner

07-10-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by bluedane:
it\'s not quite the same, I think. It\'s sort of like Gary\'s Maestro tools - auto alternators, things that clip off samples for smooth legato playing, etc.
-d-

p.s. *NO*! Not what I wanted to hear! =)
\'Course, I\'m not sure anybody could tell me that right now unless a free mac comes with VSL or vice-versa. =)

... maintain a sense of humor ... Yeah but Gary\'s tools are also just MIDI loopback. Your sequencer sends a signal to the tool (Maestro, VSL, whatever) and it performs some magic and sends a signal out. These things should work regardless of what sequencer you\'re using.

dougrogers

07-10-2003, 01:17 PM

bluedane

07-10-2003, 01:25 PM

Hey Doug,
where can I find out more on EWQLSO? Even just rough things like articulations, instrumentation, size of the library, etc?
thanks, my panic is subsiding...
=)
-d-

KingIdiot

07-10-2003, 02:06 PM

VSL works fine in Kontakt (better in some respects), performance tools and all. (Some non performance gigs wont translate perfectly tho, multi matrix dimension splits)

You could convert the giga version into EXS (if its conversions are good enough) and loopthrough the perf tool back to logic and use the tools.

Should work fine, but is a bit cumbersome, you could just use the giga version....

Maestro Tools will work for EXS too, with looping back. Same with the VotA Util.

dougrogers

07-10-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by bluedane:
Hey Doug,
where can I find out more on EWQLSO? Even just rough things like articulations, instrumentation, size of the library, etc?
thanks, my panic is subsiding...
=)
-d- Hi Denny,

There\'s quite a bit of information here (including a downloadable demo) EW-155 (\"EW-155\")

You don\'t need any sampler, it comes with it\'s own Native Instruments audio engine and interface which will plug-in to Logic (or you can use it standalone). Each of the four volumes (Strings - Woodwinds - Brass - Percussion) has it\'s own engine and interface, so you can run them on multiple computers.

For info about VOTA, go here QLVOTAGS (\"QLVOTAGS\")

Take care,

Doug Rogers
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bluedane

07-10-2003, 02:18 PM

Can you talk a bit about VOTA (what is it) and about multi matrix dimension splits (??) and if you can get around it somehow?

Here\'s what I\'m thinking: I want to ge a mac by the end of the calendar year, but I haven\'t got the money yet. So, maybe I get the EXS24 version, read it up into Kontact, run around with Kontact/VSL for several months, and then get my mac at the end of the year, at which point I can stop kluging, but I\'ve had a productive several months.

issues:
1. Will VSL give me the PC performace tools if I buy the EXS24 version?
2. Will it soud better to import into Kontact from Giga or EXS24? (I run logic and will do so when I switch to the mac, so I would prefer to get the exs24 version.)

Any advice would be excellent and very much appreciated.

Thanks!
-denny-

bluedane

07-10-2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by KingIdiot:
VSL works fine in Kontakt (better in some respects), performance tools and all. (Some non performance gigs wont translate perfectly tho, multi matrix dimension splits)
So, couldn\'t you just use the performance tools with EXS24 on the PC? If you can use them with Kontact, why can\'t you use them with EXS24? And would that fix the multi-dimensional whatever-it-was problem? =)

-d-

peter269

07-10-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by bluedane:
Looks like VSL has no intention of releasing the performance tools for PC logic. I\'m running logic 5.5 for Windows.

If I buy VSL there\'s no way I\'m going to turn around and buy a mac on top of it ($$$$).

this sucks. this is why I want to know if I should wait for EWQLSO.

(and gigastudio is out. Doesn\'t plug back into the synth, limited voices, limited fx, expensive. I guess it has a following but I can\'t see what it has over EXS, Kontact, Halion, etc.)

thanks all-
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-denny- Well, in reading this I\'m really taken aback, Denny, because I see your whole view as being completely and totally unrealistic. On July 1, 2002, Apple bought Emagic and on THAT day, announced that Emagic would be discontinuing ALL PC products.

That\'s over a year ago.

Why should VSL develop a library for a version that\'s been permanently discontinued on the PC platform? C\'mon, Bro, be realistic.

Even in Giga format, you can import a vast majority of VSL into Kontakt, and now with version 1.2.1, Kontakt loads keyswitches. So you can use a healthy percentage of the library in Kontakt with Logic 5.5. We\'ve also AB\'ed the Kontakt import vs. Giga, and there\'s no difference in sound. Also, Kontakt operates on both Mac and PC platforms.

You can do a lot with both libraries on one machine, however, for either library, two computer systems will give you better opportunities.

Hasen

07-10-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by KingIdiot:
VSL works fine in Kontakt (better in some respects), performance tools and all. Really?? How? How does the performance tool translate? Do you not even have to program this part yourself?

KingIdiot

07-10-2003, 04:36 PM

damn too much work to do, no real time to answer. The answers are at the VSL forum tho. I posted a lengthy post with directions

How you set it up depends on the way you\'re going to run Kontakt, as well as if your sequencer will support multiple MIDI in\'s via seperate tracks.

Standalone = Just like Giga Studio.

VSTi, requires some loopback drivers like Marbletools, or Hubi\'s loopback.
You route out from your sequencer to a VMC (virtual MIDI Cable), route that VMC to the perf tool, route out of the Perf Tool with a second VMC, back into your sequencer on a second track, route that track to send to Kontakt.

Works fine. Have tried it myself. Was finnicky do to Middle C location, but once I figured out what was going on, it was fine.

The performance gig files translate to Kontakt pretty much no prob now (maybe some velocity adjustments to taste)

Remember that the performance tool on The PC (giga version only I believe) is a seperate application, jsut like maestro tools, the VotA util, Building blocks...etc.

All that needs to work is the instrument files itself. I\'m not sure how EXS will translate giga files (especially the older PC one) so I wouldn\'t bank on it working perfectly in that. In Kontakt tho all is gravy so far.

bluedane

07-10-2003, 05:31 PM

Peter, I totally agree with you. I am not saying that Apple should dev for PC anymore. I was expressing my frustration that I woke up this morning ready to buy the VSL and then read that it is severely handicapped on the PC for non-giga users.

Then later I asked if pc users could load the samples into exs24 as usual and use the same external performance tools that giga users use and that Kontact users are having success with, thereby solving the problem.

So, I don\'t think I\'m as far off base as you thought - I\'m just trying to figure out if I can use logic and exs24 in the same manner that other pc people are using cubase and Kontact.

-Denny-

peter269

07-10-2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by bluedane:
I\'m just trying to figure out if I can use logic and exs24 in the same manner that other pc people are using cubase and Kontact.-Denny- Again, I\'m confused. If you\'re using Logic 5.5 on the PC, you can use Kontakt with Logic since it installs into VST Plugins folder. Also, you can use Kontakt as a standalone.

But in the end, Denny, you won\'t be able to use Logic/EXS as others are using Kontakt (including users of Sonar 2.2, Cubase SX, Cubase SL, Cubasis 4.0, Samplitude, Sequoia, Nuendo, Performer) because both programs are permanently discontinued for the PC. FIAT. GONE.

If you want Vienna, and if you don\'t want to buy GigaStudio and a separate computer today, get Kontakt and VSL and use them within Logic 5.5. If funds are really short, get the VSL Cube and Kontakt.

The only reason I can be so firm about the use of Kontakt is that a group of us in Hollywood tried it, and it worked. And it worked in enough cases that it\'s on TV weekly in various shows.

So think about it. And again, if you want to discuss this, call me. My telephone number is below.

bluedane

07-11-2003, 05:37 AM

thanks, Peter.
I\'ll try and give you a call today.

-denny-