Logic: Edit window and cc hyperdraw questiion

[claysf]

The question: in the Edit window, when I delete material--either a group of notes or when I 'Select all to End' and pull the grouped notes leftward to delete a rythmic hesitation, the cc 64 (sustain) doesn't move with the notes. So now all the peddling is off. Is there a way to select and move ALL the midi info in the Edit window? I know that I can cut, select and glue sections in the Arrange window; but even at high zoom, this isn't as precise or convenient as in Edit mode.

[BenNichols]

Alas, I can offer no answer, but i can sympathize. Im finding lots of little niggles like this... sorry!

[DPDAN]

just trying to help,,,, in DP,.... have the tracks you want effected by the move showing in that window, then in the time ruler bar, highight from one point to another, then all the data is moved and kept in tact.

DPDan :)

[jeremy.saenz]

Did you try shift-click-drag.. or is that just for the arrange window?

[Jerry W.]

Assuming you have Logic 7, In the EDIT window - CC data does not follow nudges. CC data is tied to the Track and not necessarily the midi clip. (like fader automation in the track - is tied to a time in the track, vs a particular place within a clip).

You can still nudge, but you must do it in the Arrange window. This moves the whole clip.

If you don't want to do that - I suggest copying the clip to another track, and doing your edits there, or split the clip where you want to move things and nudge from there. I am hardly a power user in Logic though - I like 8 way more than 7. Although, I'm not sure how 8 handles this problem.

Tracktion handles this better than Logic, but, as Dan has pointed out, DP does it the best - it can lock all CC data to a MIDI clip and you can move, copy and edit without losing the CC data associated with those notes and clip.

I'll look at how 8 handles this to see if there are any shortcuts for this problem -(on my other computer).

Jerry

[rbowser-]

Hi, claysf

I do believe DPDAN has your answer. All DAWs behave the same way in this matter, because MIDI controller data is actually separate from the note on and off events. But if you simply drag the clip (with any quantizing grid off) - all data will move together. This can be done very precisely, especially if you're working with a metronome.

Randy B.
(rbowser)

[keithjfuller]

i think that if you highlight something in the arrange window and move it you are asked if you'd like to move automation data. clicking yes will move everything, but i guess you're saying that you don't want to do it in the arrange window right?

[claysf]

Thanks, guys. I'll give these tips a try over the weekend when home from my day job. I probably will upgrade to L 8 one of these days but really, I'm just getting comfy with 7 and reluctant to get into a brand new learning curve at the moment. There are times when I think I'd have been better off with DP, but I guess all these programs have their shortcomings.

Jerry, do let me know how L 8 handles this; it could be the incentive I need to upgrade.

Keith, fact is, I'm lazy. So I would like the simplicity and visual clarity of doing my all nudging (including cc data) in Edit where I'm doing 'most all of my other work, rather than switching back and forth from view to view. But I think I may be able to adapt and switch to arrange for this function. :) In the end, the best fix would be to perfect my piano playing so it doesn't need any rythmic fixes!

[Jerry W.]

Jerry, do let me know how L 8 handles this; it could be the incentive I need to upgrade.



Logic 8 handles it much the same as Logic 7 does. The key seems to nudge the clips, since they keep all the CC data in place. (as opposed to Fader automation, such as volume and pan, which are tied more to to times within a track). But... again - I am no power user of Logic. I see there are some preferences under "automation" where you can lock automation to a region, and that automation data moves along with any movement of the region. (something Tracktion does not do).

Just letting you know. For what it is worth, Logic 8 is, in my opinion, a HUGE improvement over Logic 7. I would upgrade if you can afford to.

Jerry

[claysf]

Quote:

Just letting you know. For what it is worth, Logic 8 is, in my opinion, a HUGE improvement over Logic 7. I would upgrade if you can afford to.

<br><br>Jerry-

Chances are, this has been already discussed and missed by yours truly. But can you tell me some of the reasons why you're finding L 8 to be such an improvement over L 7? I got Logic 7 at a student rate, so I'm not sure I'll get much of a deal on the upgrade. But money isn't everything. If the user interface is really easier to work with, I might make the move.

Please advise!<br><br>--Clay

<br><br>My rig:

MacBook Pro
7600 RPM drive
2GB RAM
Logic 7
GPO,Strad,Akoustik Piano

[keithjfuller]

i had logic express 7 and switched to pro 8, so i can't tell you what is better compared to pro 7, but here are a few things i've noticed. the best thing that is the fact that everything can be done in one window. when you double click something in the arrage window you get a split screen with the piano roll beneath, or whatever other thing you want. you still can open separate windows at times (i have 2 monitors, so i do this). the arrange window is better in my opinion. there are tons of effects and sounds that i didn't have in express 7. i also haven't had any crashes as of yet, and it looks better. if i think of other things i'll be sure to post them.

[Jerry W.]

Keith touched upon most of what I would say are improvements.

But - and this is key - it is way more stable for me. L7 used to crash on a fairly frequent basis.

The arrange window now shows notes like a piano roll inside Midi Clips, which is great, since L7 uses only the notation notes at the top of the clip and made it hard to know where you were.

Unless you have Altiverb already, Logic 8's Space Designer is a VERY good IR-based reverb!!

There are a lot of things that are better or enhanced. I would suggest going onto Apple's site and do the research. $199 gets you Logic 8 express - but from what I have been able to ascertain - it and the full logic 8 are the same program, other than surround ability and a couple of the other add-ons are not there. Even with your student discount - you can still get a discount when upgrading.

Cheers.

Jerry