About the ART files, if you download please read.

[KingIdiot]

are they of value to you guys?

I\'d appreciate it if you guys put up a \"thanks\" in the post for each one of you who downloads one.

It lets me know that its worth the extra effort to label them correctly and such for you guys.

If not I\'ll just do what I need to the files and not worry about keeping the \"original\" instruments intact. Then just share with the people who Email me.

I have some Major Update Ideas for VotA and Ultimate strings and such, but they will take some time. I\'ld like to make sure many people will use them if I\'m goign to go through extra trouble with them, instead of jsut making them \"work\".

I need the encouragement from end users.

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[dnortana]

King,
Rather than post a big \"Thank You\" in every download thread, I\'m doing it here. I just downloaded all of your recent art file updates for the three different libraries.

\"THANK YOU\".

Sharing freely, as you do, is what makes a forum such as this such an invaluable and indispensible tool.

Regards,
Trond

[Micheal Chase]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KingIdiot:
are they of value to you guys?

I have some Major Update Ideas for VotA and Ultimate strings and such, but they will take some time. I\'ld like to make sure many people will use them if I\'m goign to go through extra trouble with them, instead of jsut making them \"work\".

I need the encouragement from end users.

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I can\'t encourage you enough to go for it. I never get the time to do some proper programming so rely heavily on guys like yourself to find new and inventive ways to make samples more human and playable.

I can\'t wait to hear what you\'re going to do with the Ultimate Strings library. Its one of my favorite string libraries and I own them all except the Garritan library. The violas are so very playable.

[Lancelink]

Big thanks for the ART files! Not only are they all extremely useful musically, but also as tutorials. It\'s a lot easier to learn from deconstructing what skilled programers have done rather than the trial and error method! Especially since there is no Gigastudio manual.

Thanks again!!!

Lance

[ursatz]

King,

Thank you!
Thank you!!
THANK YOU!!!

(Is that enough encouragement for one post? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif )

Just downloaded and had a quick look and listen to the SAM art file. As others have said, it\'s useful musically *and* educationally.

Oh, did I say Thank You?!

[mschiff]

King,

Thank you VERY much for being so generous with your time and expertise. I haven\'t had a chance to use the art files yet, but I know they are going to be very helpful.

-- Martin

[KingIdiot]

Thanks guys for the support and encouragment

I\'ld like to suggest jsut a tad of reverb when using hte legato switches. Especially with the QLB instruments. I could build release trigger versions of the instruments, but that requires sample editing.

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[PeterMR]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[clueless]

Thank you for putting the effort into these art files. I downloaded several of them.

I started playing with one or two of them but I am not sure what they are doing or how to use them. Where do I go for a brief description of your art files and how to best use them?

clueless

[KingIdiot]

hey clueless.

I put a little description in each of the threads that I posted the links to the art files into.

Most of them add another \"instrument\" to the GIG file labeled with \"legato switch\"

The effect of this instrument is that, when you depress the sustain pedal, the samples have less natural \"attack\" to simulate \"legato\" playing and also release times are shortened. This makes for more realistic phrasing with legato phrases. Its especially good on the solo instruments in QLB and the ethno world Low Irish flute.



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[Spenik]

hi King,

I downloaded your QLB ART files, and though I haven\'t had the time to try them out yet, I thought I\'d extend my thanks anyway since you went to the trouble of making them. I love having something new to play around with.

Spencer

[SCARBEE]

Great initiative King Idiot. Maybe you should make an \"original\" .art file of the instruments you tweak, so we can always go back, if we don\'t like the changes. Then we don\'t have to install the whole CD\'s again.

Thomas

[KingIdiot]

Hey Scarbee.

Actually The way I\'ve done the ART files is to actually ADD an instrument with my tweaks. So I dont adjsut the original isntruments at all. This way if you dont like them, you dont have to use them http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif. Or if you have songs that you\'ve worked with the \"original\" settings, you can jsut go back to them.

I definitely took that into consideration. I still suggest anyone using the art files to save an ART file of the original settings themselves. Or even moreso, make an ART file of any settings YOU\'VE made to the GIG file so you have them on record.

If you have made your own edits and you want to combine my \"new instruments\" into the GIG with your edits.

Open two instances of the GIG file with your own tweaks/edits in the editor. Apply my ART file to one of them, then copy the new instruments I\'ve made and paste them into the GIG file with your edits still intact (the one you didn\'t apply the ART file to)

viola, you now have a combined GIG file. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Mel Tron]

Thank U King Idiot! Fantastic!

Would it be possible to post your editing technique? I am trying to apply what you did to Sam with some of the Vitous Brass F.Horns and Trombones. Can\'t quite figure out how you did it but thanks very much for the art files!

[KingIdiot]

No its MY SECRET!! ;O)

hehee just kidding

Well the Mod Filter technique is a very simple and VERY commonly used edit. Tho I personally would like to set the filter control to another controller and not the Mod Wheel. Its a giga limitation tho, the controller I WANT to use, isn\'t an option for filter control.

Anyhow. Its a simple Low Pass filter across the board on all the samples. Set with a minimum cut off of about 70. Differnt instruments sound better or worse with different Min cutoffs. The I Have filter Control set to Mod Wheel, and turn the Velocity response to very low.

Thats about it for filter control

The legato switch is a different technique and is quite a bit more involved for someone who doesn\'t know the editor. In fact I\'ven\'t seen something liek this done to this extent yet. It can actually be pushed one further by making a purely \"mono\" instrument, but it would take too much time for me to find it worth it. Besides I have Maestro Tools to do that for me http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Anyhow. I\'ve set up a Dimension layer controled byt the sustain pedal. Both Layers have the same samples mapped to the same places. The \"top\" level of the dimension has its sample start point offset to the maximum of 2000 samples. And the attack time set to 0.01 to get rid of any clicks/pops at the initial start of playback. This makes the \"start\" of the sample more abrupt and gets rid of jsut a tiny bit of the actual attack in the samples.

The key part, and one of the \"kickers\" in this gig edit is the Release control. I\'ve set the sustain pedal to ALSO control release time via the EG Mod tab. Setting the actual release times of ALL (both dimensions) the samples to a very small number (0.1) lets me get a more truncated sound for legato lines. For solo instruments this is fantastic.

Thats about it. I have another idea for automatic Pitch/legato that works really well on the saxes for QLB so far. Also I\'m trying to incorporate it into strings. So far only GOS is taking an ok response to it. All the otehr librearies sound unatural. this is do to the \"legato masking\" samples in GOS. Should sound ok in VotA too.

In all honesty I\'m surprised no ones used these types of \"tweaks\" before. They add variation and in some cases \"playability\" to the instrument.

I tell you what all you Vitous User\'s out there. Get together and buy me the library and I\'ll make all the ART files you want! MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

actually I think I could do some damage with that library http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Mel Tron]

Wow! Thank u K.I.! You RULE!

I\'ll give this a go. I\'ve been crossfading Vitous for years but this will help a lot more.

Vitous still has the best Brass and Winds so far. If you were in my \'hood I\'d definetely give you a job tweaking my Vitous Libraries.

[Mark UK]

Thanks King!

I downloaded the QLB art files but have not had time to update the library yet.

Your hard work to the improvement of the libraries we buy is HUGELY appreciated.

[Chadwick]

King, using the sustain pedal to switch to a truncated sample as well as shortening the release time is really clever. It must make guys like Bert and Joe very happy to see people actually using the features they get nagged into putting in the programme http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
Well done mate.

[KingIdiot]

Hey Chadwick,

Yes, I hope those guys actually see that there are reasons for \"limiteless\" options http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

The whole Release and truncations thing can go one further. One can set ALL the regions to the same keygroup to get a \"solo\" style instrument. This takes major amounts of time tho. One needs to select each regions one by one. Also the \"self mask\" box must be checked. Add on top of that that I\'m not sure that all velocities work in terms of keygroups (i think they do). with this, I can take off the sustain defeat feature, and let the sustain pedal work like normal http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Also there\'s a way to do auto matic pitch bends into notes. Pretty good for brass like saxes and the french horn.

Obviously there are some great things in Giga that haven\'t really been tapped into in terms of really creative use.

I cant wait for 3.0 http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif I\'m so curious about whats gonna go into that sucker

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[caveman]

Hi

I am trying SAM trumpet and just downloaded the ART file.

Forgive me but I have never worked with an ART file before.

1. What is an ART file,
2. How do I use the Art file (meaning after I downoalded it, what do I do next to make the ART file work.) How do you set up the ART file in GIGA

Please shed some light it is dark in here images/icons/confused.gif

[KingIdiot]

Hey caveman,

Well. ART files are basically \"settings\" files for GIG instruments.

to use them, you need to open up SAM trumpets in the GIGA Editor, then select Load Articulation file from the File/pull down menu.

Save/reload the instrument and you\'re done. images/icons/smile.gif

[dwdonehoo]

Hey KI!

A belated thanks to you, and for the tips above. I will save most for a rainy day. I will use the Sams Trumpets one soon.

THANKS!

http://www.mp3.com/Doyle_W_Donehoo (\"http://www.mp3.com/Doyle_W_Donehoo\")

[Bolt Thrower]

Yo, King, I\'m kinda late to the party but I too must include my thanks. Very nice job!

bt

[eliam]

Thousand thanks, King, for your selfless advice! May the Creator\'s Light shed its Radiance upon your path to keep clear your way.

Be at peace. images/icons/cool.gif

[eliam]

Hmmm... Exactly where can I find your ART files?... images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[carlmsmith]

I found them at www.musicyouneed.com/ART/updates. (\"http://www.musicyouneed.com/ART/updates.\")

KING IDIOT- I downloaded the Sam\'s ART. Thanks for making it available. I\'m not a power user (yet) or a power buyer (yet) but your efforts to make samples more playable, and sharing, will make the whole idea of G/S more attractive to us newbies. Thanks again!

[eliam]

Thanks, but the link doesn\'t seem to work...

[dalamein]

King Thanks so much!

What does the Art file do in Gigapiano?

Much appreciated, any more Ultimate Strings coming up? Very nice job with the Programming on Violins, much more expressive!

Thanks King!

David


Originally posted by KingIdiot:
Sorry guys, replying late here images/icons/smile.gif

the link is

http://www.musicyouneed.com/ARTupdates/ (\"http://www.musicyouneed.com/ARTupdates/\")

There are some \"beta\" art files in there.

I didn\'t post them before because I was still working on them.

The Ultimate strings one are beta obviously. I made Xfade instruments, as well as made a breath controlelr Xfade, and a GOS \"layer\" instrument for GOS users and maestro tools users who want to layer UStrings in underneath.

The VotA one is sort of on the backburner, waiting for the VotA utility. The update has a second keyswitch vowel instrument with all the expressive samples, and an inverted attenuation controller on the mod wheel. Using this with the original Keyswitch instrument and layering them across two ports on the same MIDI channel you can crossfade between the two in real time, but also retain complete keyswitch control. Its sort of the ultimate patch.<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">

[KingIdiot]

If I remember correctly the GP art file adds a modwheel controlable filter.

Its been a while, cant remember. I did that one for someone else.

BTW, I\'m glad you guys are enjoying them.

[KingIdiot]

Sorry guys, replying late here images/icons/smile.gif

the link is

http://www.musicyouneed.com/ARTupdates/ (\"http://www.musicyouneed.com/ARTupdates/\")

There are some \"beta\" art files in there.

I didn\'t post them before because I was still working on them.

The Ultimate strings one are beta obviously. I made Xfade instruments, as well as made a breath controlelr Xfade, and a GOS \"layer\" instrument for GOS users and maestro tools users who want to layer UStrings in underneath.

The VotA one is sort of on the backburner, waiting for the VotA utility. The update has a second keyswitch vowel instrument with all the expressive samples, and an inverted attenuation controller on the mod wheel. Using this with the original Keyswitch instrument and layering them across two ports on the same MIDI channel you can crossfade between the two in real time, but also retain complete keyswitch control. Its sort of the ultimate patch.

[Rob Elliott]

King,

I haven\'t downloaded these art files yet, but can\'t wait to do so.

For us newbies, is there a short tutorial of how to download and update our libraries.

Many thanks in advance. You are making all of our music better.

Rob