Strad and Gofriller don't seem to work with Finale 2008a

[RickMcGowan]

I posted over in the support/tech forum, but there doesn't seem to be any answer...

I bought Gofriller and Strad in the go-round sale. I installed them. I have Finale 2008a. JABB and GPO work fine. I'm all updated to K2, etc, etc.

Gofriller and Strad don't show up in the Finale setup wizard. How can I get them to show up in the setup wizard? This is really rather frustrating, and makes them less usable than they should be.

And, I've heard that Strad and Gofriller don't play well with Finale "Human Performance", but I don't know if that is still an issue in Finale 2008a. Does anyone know? Has this problem been fixed? It seems like Finale 2008a HP does NOT recognize it, and "pizz" "arco" don't work properly.

Also, I heard about Gofriller 3.03, so I installed the zip file that is supposed to correct the pitch off-by-octave problem. But now every time I choose Gofriller, it can't find the samples! How can I fix that problem?

[Michael_uk]

Although I do have Finale 2008 I don't have the Strad or Gofriller.

My first reaction is that a file needs to be added to the Finale directory so I tried a search and found the following for the Gofriller:

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54696&highlight=Finale+Strad

There may be one for the Strad and I'm still looking.

... And here is the Stradivari.txt file:

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showpost.php?p=505940&postcount=2

[Jeff Turner]

This won't help much, but I'm on a Mac, did the standard Strad install last year and everything got loaded correctly right from the start. Finale (2007/2008) & HP interpret the Strad beautifully. They work great together.

Jeff

[qccowboy]

And, I've heard that Strad and Gofriller don't play well with Finale "Human Performance", but I don't know if that is still an issue in Finale 2008a. Does anyone know? Has this problem been fixed? It seems like Finale 2008a HP does NOT recognize it, and "pizz" "arco" don't work properly.


I'm not sure where you heard/read this, but both the Strad and Gofriller work perfectly fine wih Finale.

HP also recognizes all articulations and expressions perfectly well.

I've posted a few demos here using nothing but Finale, with the Strad and the Gofriller. They are great. I love the new solo strings, they are incredibly realistic, even from within Finale.

[RickMcGowan]

The above procedure (load/browser, and then save) does not work for me. It still doesn't find the samples. Every single time I have to search/browse for them... Not so fun.

And Finale HP doesn't recognize or play the articulations correctly when Gofriller cello is loaded.

[qccowboy]

which version of Finale are you using?

and have you also installed the update for the Gofriller cello?

find it here:

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54696

The reason HP is not playing your expressions is that the whole cello is off by one octave, so the keyswitches are playing the wrong notes.

I can assure you, and my recent demos are proof of it, that the Gofriller and the Strad both work perfectly well with Finale and HumanPlayback. All articulations and expressions are recognized.

[RickMcGowan]

After loading the Stradivari.txt file into the right place in Finale, it works. I.e., it shows up in the Setup wizard. Thanks!! How come I can't find a similar instrument file for the Gofriller??

But: articulations in HP for the Strad do NOT WORK. I can have the same music setup for the Gagli 1 solo and for the Strad, and the Strad just doesn't work with human performance.

I would have thought there would be a sticky thread somewhere on this forum that gives the details of how to get these to work with Finale 2008...!

[RickMcGowan]

I am using Finale 2008a, the absolute latest. And my Strad & Gofriller are also new. I installed the 3.03 Gofriller file that is supposed to fix the octave problem. But stuff still doesn't work.

1. Artictulations for both Gofriller and Strad do not work.

2. Gofriller 3.03 *always* says it can't find the samples.

3. Gofriller does not show up in Finale 2008 setup wizard, but after installing "Stradivari.txt" the Strad does show up. What is the right file to get the Gofriller to show up?

[Jeff Turner]

Rick,

Are your Strad/Gopher techniques selected in HP preferences?
Are your staves named correctly so HP recognizes them as these instruments?

JT

[RickMcGowan]

Are your Strad/Gopher techniques selected in HP preferences?
Are your staves named correctly so HP recognizes them as these instruments?
JT

Yes the techniques are selected in HP preferences. They are selected by default, but I just double-checked.

How are the staves *supposed* to be named? Now that the wizard works for Strad, I can just use the wizard. It names the staff "violin". I tried renaming to "Stradivari" but that doesn't have any effect. The pizz/arco techniques just don't work properly.

[Jeff Turner]

The name violin is sufficient. I just used the wizard to create a test file, Pizz., arco, accents, staccatos, dynamics all played back fine. with the Strad.

Are your pizz./arco expressions the defaults that have no playback information embedded in them? These are the ones that work.

Sorry I can't be of any more help.

JT

[RickMcGowan]

Yes, I am using the correct arco/pizz expressions. They work fine with other GPO strings. Just not with Strad or Gofriller.

So, I did the 3.03 update. I think this stuff should work, so I'd sure like to figure out why it doesn't. If I can't get Strad & Gofriller to work with Finale, it's like a couple hundred $$ down the drain because they aren't going to be very useful.

I hope next week someone from Garritan is around who might be able to help... This is a big bummer.

[rfdillon]

Folks, where does one find the file Stradivari.txt ? I don't seem to find it in the Strad directories under c:\program files. The Strad doesn't show up for me in Finale 2008a, either.

Thanks so much in advance for your help!

[Michael_uk]

Folks, where does one find the file Stradivari.txt ? I don't seem to find it in the Strad directories under c:\program files. The Strad doesn't show up for me in Finale 2008a, either.

Thanks so much in advance for your help!
I posted this information in my first reply (Post No. 2 in this thread).

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showpost.php?p=550033&postcount=2

Unless you've already tried this file and it's not working?

[rfdillon]

Thanks so much, Michael_UK! Would you happen to know the specific directory into which I need to place the Stradivari.txt file in the Finale directory?

Thanks so much again for your help!

[Michael_uk]

Thanks so much, Michael_UK! Would you happen to know the specific directory into which I need to place the Stradivari.txt file in the Finale directory?

Thanks so much again for your help! Glad to be of help.

The directory on the PC is: C:\Program Files\Finale 2008\FinaleVST

This is the directory for GPO, JaBB, CoMB VST files so I presume it's no different for the Strad and Gofriller.

When you go to this directory you should see other .txt files there for other Garritan libraries you have.

When you have pasted the Strad txt file in that directory, the Strad should then be available in your Finale Setup.

[RickMcGowan]

Does anyone know if there is a Gofriller.txt file anywhere? It doesn't get installed, and I haven't seen a reference to it in any threads. Without this file, there isn't any way for the Gofriller to work in Finale! (The Stradivari.txt file defines the way Finale uses the sampler and how it displays things in the setup wizard.)

I don't understand why there isn't a sticky thread somewhere that tells us all about how to set up Gofriller and Strad for Finale 2008...

[Jeff Turner]

Have you followed Nickie's instructions in this thread?

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54696

[qccowboy]

Does anyone know if there is a Gofriller.txt file anywhere? It doesn't get installed, and I haven't seen a reference to it in any threads. Without this file, there isn't any way for the Gofriller to work in Finale! (The Stradivari.txt file defines the way Finale uses the sampler and how it displays things in the setup wizard.)

I don't understand why there isn't a sticky thread somewhere that tells us all about how to set up Gofriller and Strad for Finale 2008...

make a TXT file with the following in it (you can simply copy/paste it into a blank TXT doc):

[VSTINFO]
Name = Gofriller Cello
PluginID = NiP2
PlayerChannels = 16
LibraryID = 116

[INS:GofrillerCello1]
DisplayName = Gofriller Cello for Finale
InstType = SingleCello
Patch = 42
SampleFile = The Gofriller Cello v.3.03 for Finale.nki

[INS:GofrillerCello2]
DisplayName = Gofriller Cello
InstType = SingleCello
Patch = 42
SampleFile = The Gofriller Cello v.3.02.nki

[GRP:Gofriller Cello]
Name = Gofriller Cello
Abbr = Cello
GofrillerCello1 = x
GofrillerCello2 = x

[Michael_uk]

[quote=qccowboy]make a TXT file with the following in it (you can simply copy/paste it into a blank TXT doc): .....

/quote]
Good post Michel. I've made a note of this for further reference.

Rick, I've made a Gofriller text file following Michel's instructions.

The file is here;

GarritanGofrillerCello.txt (http://www.michaelsroom.co.uk/GarritanGofrillerCello.txt)

Right click on it and select 'Save link as' and save it to the same directory C:\Program Files\Finale 2008\FinaleVST.

Hopefully you should now be fully set up.

[RickMcGowan]

Thank you! That txt file was one of the things I needed... I don't think anyone has posted that in any other thread!

So now I can see the Strad and the Gofriller in Finale 2008a setup wizard, which makes them basically usable...

But articulations (arco/pizz) still don't work properly. Sort of hard to believe, because everything else works!! As far as I can tell, I have everything set up properly. Articulations work fine in GPO. I copy/paste the same music between staves of Gofriller (or Strad) and the ordinary GPO solo or section strings -- the Gofriller and Strad articulations do not work, but the others do.

What's the secret thing that Finale 2008a needs to make the articulations work properly? Isn't there anyone at Garritan, or perhaps Robert the "HP" guy who knows what might be wrong?

[qccowboy]

you updated the cello NKI file?

if so, it should work.

I updated that and everything works perfectly now.
update file from here:

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54696

[RickMcGowan]

Yes, thanks. I did follow that procedure. I have 3.03 nki file installed, as per the instructions. (I also got the browse/save thing to work, so it apparently loads OK.)

Still, both Strad and Gofriller articulations just don't work in Finale 2008a, as I've said above.

Is there some setting in the HP preferences that I can verify? All of the items are checked with "use this articulation"... But how do I know they are all correct? It's still buggy as far as I can tell... It appears that either Finale doesn't know which keyswitches to use, or is using the wrong ones. Something must be wrong in my setup, or in the Strad/Gofriller packages. I don't know how other people have gotten Strad/Gofriller articulations to work with Finale 2008a.

[Jeff Turner]

But articulations (arco/pizz) still don't work properly.

Pizz. & arco need to be entered as text expressions, not articulations. If you can post a Finale file, it'll be easier for others to diagnose your problem.

JT

[RickMcGowan]

THANKS! :wow: You wrote:

Pizz. & arco need to be entered as text expressions, not articulations

Aha!!! That really rang a bell with me, because waaay back in the day, I had trouble with that once before: setting something other than "None" for the playback value of "arco" and "pizz'. I double checked this just now because I always use a very heavily modified default FTM file for Finale. Sure enough, the setting for pizz and arco was "Dump" instead of "none", though the value to send was "0". Apparently, that has worked all along with the section strings, but doesn't work for Gofriller and Strad.

I modified my personal default FTM file so that it has "None" for the arco/pizz playback, and that solved my problem! Hurray! Now articulations work fine in Gofriller and Strad.

I hope this thread helps other people with a similar problem... To get the Gofriller & Strad to work properly...

1. Install the new NKI for Gofriller 3.03.
2. Install the Stradivari.txt and Gofriller.txt files in Finale VST directory.
3. Check your arco/pizz defaults to make sure they are correctly set to "None" for playback value...

:o

OK, back to the regularly scheduled program...

THANKS very much to all who responded here!! I really appreciate the help!
)(~

[Michael_uk]

Glad to hear everything is working well now Rick.

I'm sure your summary will be useful to other users of The Strad and Gofriller with Finale.