Vintaudio Giga Clean Electric Guitars gets 4 start review from Sound on Sound :)

[Franky]

Hi all, our library Giga Clean Electric Guitars just got a 4 star review from Sound on sound, the review with an mp3 example the review writer did is available at http://www.sospubs.co.uk (\"http://www.sospubs.co.uk\") in the May issue\'s sample shop section http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Franky
Vintaudio www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")

[Munsie]

Congrats! Their demo should sell from units for you! Place a link to it on your website if you havn\'t already! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[Bardstown Audio]

CONGRATULATIONS FRANKY!

I am very happy for you!!!

Kip

[KingIdiot]

Congrats Franky.

Jsut to let you know, another guitar player else pointed me to the link and was afraid of being put out of buisness http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

I told him to get a Ztar http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

their demo is great!

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Really...I am an Idiot

[cunningham]

Franky,

Best of luck with your product. Just ordered a copy and look forward to using with it. Now, when should we expect those, slides, finger noise, etc. in the next set?<grin>

[SCARBEE]

Cool, Franky!

Congrats!

Thomas

[Franky]

Thx everybody http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
I appreciate your support.

Cunningham, i got your order http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
will be shipping tommorrow.


Franky,
Vintaudio.

[Munsie]

Franky,

Do you have any plans for updates, add ons, etc for this library?

[Franky]

Short answer : maybe lol !, seriously i\'m contemplating doing some harmonics and fret noises like suggested, that i may do but if you\'re talking about something like strumming or new guitars i don\'t think so for this year, i have 3 libraries i am working on that should bring me to the end of this year. In early 2003 i may do a second volume http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif


Franky,
Vintaudio.

[Munsie]

I\'ve got the fret noise covered. Actually though I\'m starting to like my clean sound more and more. Did you see the post I posted earlier about an actual guitar player playing some riffs for me, and it sounded identical to my keytar playing. (Your samples by the way...) Amazing!

Hey, I invented a new style of playing! \"Keytar!\" LOL!

\"i have 3 libraries i am working on that should bring me to the end of this year.\"

WHAT ARE THEY? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Thanks for an excellent library!

[Franky]

Ahhh thx Munsie, i was wondering if you were reffering to my library in that post you quoted, glad you were http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

As far as new libraries, i seem to remember you being one of the guys who applauded my secrecy in waiting till the product was ready to ship before talking about it hehehe http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

I am gonna go pretty unmainstream for my next 2 libraries, that\'s all i\'m gonna say for now, they are libraries of instruments i feel have been a bit neglected so far http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
I like to do libraries of instrument i feel are not available to me at the moment of doing the library, and even though they may be less inticing to the general sampling user community, they are worthwhile to me and that\'s what matters the most because editing 1000\'s of samples when you\'re not very excited in the library is not something i can and will do( editing samples for 10, 12 hours a day is seriously hard on the brain).

I will also say that i\'m proud to say my prices are going to continue being very very competitive for the quality offered. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Kindly
Franky,
Vintaudio Prod. www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")



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[zquarles]

Franky, those demos sound absolutely beautiful!

[Franky]

Thx Zquarles http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Franky.
Vintaudio.

[SCARBEE]

disregard

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[Tokyo Joe]

Wow... now I really have seen it all on this board.

One developer telling another that he\'s selling his product at too low a price and that he\'ll hurt his own sales as well as other developers if he continues to do so in the future.

Unbelievable.

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[Munsie]

\"Making very low prices may increase your sale for a while, but it might hurt the whole group of developers in the long run - including yourself.\"

Hi Scarbee,

Warning: I am not debating anything here other than the above comment. This is not an attack on Thomas or his outstanding libraries!

As an end user and a potential sample developer I get a very bad vibe reading the above comment. How could pricing reflect anything negative on other developers other than pointing out the obvious that their prices may be too high? Too many variables here to make a blanket comment like \"it will hurt the whole group including yourself\".

If two developers make the same product, one works more effecient and gets it done quicker, the other is a twiddler and takes longer, should the pricing be the same? I would think not. Afterall, regardless how long it takes a library to be developed, the end user is the ultimate critic and will ultimately decide if the library is worth the purchase based on demos and pricing. I don\'t even listen to a demo anymore if the pricing doesn\'t \"click\" right away.

When I develop computer software, if I work more efficiently and get the project done quicker I end up making more money, but unfortunately the length of time spent on the project has nothing to do with what the end user is willing to pay for it.

The only way it could \"hurt\" him is if end users would be willing to pay more than his asking price. Then he would be losing money. But I will state this, Franky\'s guitar libraries and Yellow Tools E-Bass libraries @ $135.00 are the best bang for the buck libraries I have purchased yet. And I probably would not be \"advertising\" that fact if I paid a higher price.

As an end user I have seen several recent offerings of quality instruments at gradually decreasing pricing. As the tools/software for making samples gets better and better, and sample developers learn to be more efficient with their development time, I\'m sure prices will continue to fall. This is a VERY good thing.

[SCARBEE]

disregard

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[Z6]

I\'m with Munsie and Joe on this one.

Are you serious Thomas? Are you calling for a cartel or are you suggesting that one is already in place and Franky has broken it by producing a top quality library at an affordable price?

I wouldn\'t by the QL in a million years at that price. I\'ve listened to the demos and can\'t hear such a difference between the QL and Franky\'s stuff to warrant such a huge differential - in fact, from the demos alone, I would have thought that Franky\'s was the more expensive (please, no flames for comparisions without owning, I am tired - like Dasher - of being forbidden to make comparisons here without paying the \'entry fee\').

I own DDSS. I love it. I\'ve recommended it many times. For $100 it is well worth it. I will never own Dan\'s brass or woodwind - because they cost too much. I won\'t even listen to the demos. I think we all complimented Mr. Dean too much on his strings and he got carried away; they ain\'t worth it.

If you go to market at too high a price, not only do you lose potential customers, you end up in the bargain basement bin - and the people who buy for full price get very miffed. It is bad business.

I think Miroslav started all this because he released his collection into a market that required at least $50,000 just to load the library.

Things are changing guys. I have no idea how developers \'price\' their products but going from some of the posts and behavior I\'ve witnessed here, I\'d guess that many just \'guess\'. I\'ve already bought enough libraries to know that if the customer sits tight, he will get a discount.

For example, has anybody actually paid $1,400 for GOS? Or is the \'introductory offer\' still in place?

Anybody ever bought a library only to see it discounted by 40% a week later in a sale?

You guys can charge what you like, but if Thomas and Franky both ran listed companies, I\'d short Thomas and go long Franky.

There is such a thing as capitalism, and its forces will either find you out or reward you.

Kudos to developers who produce high quality with low prices; hopefully, they will succeed and the cartel proponents will get their just deserts.

Oh, and if you don\'t believe in capitalism, try \'Karmic Retribution\' instead.

[Franky]

Hmmm if someone actually has Scarbee\'s posts that he deleted i would surely like to know what he wrote, but by what i\'m seeing in replies it seems Thomas said i was pricing too low and that was not good for the busines and will hurt me in the long run bla bla bla ? can someone confirm this for me thx i was away today, but if this is true it sucks sorry Thomas.....

The first reason i went into this business was because i personally beleive alot of developpers charge too much so....

Secondly, Nobody i mean Nobody will ever ever dictate the prices of my products, ever, my products are priced to be available to ALL musicians not only the fortunate few and i will continue to do so until hell freezes over...

Thirdly to start this in THIS thread which was another happy thread about something i was real proud of and turning ut in yet again another ****ing circus pisses me off royally. Thomas this is something you should have took up with ME, not with the forum (i would\'ve answered you the same but still...)

I am so disapointed....


Franky. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/frown.gif

[sirbellog]

Hi Franky,
as one of your -very happy- Vintaudio Guitars Library users, and probably among its first purchasers (remember me ? Gilles from France !)I feel I have to tell my feeling on that matter and give my whole support.
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As somebody else said it, you offered us an unbeatable \"bang-for-the-bucks\" guitar library, and I\'ll feel forever grateful to you for that... and hope you will go on that way !
And while perfectly aware that developers must live, eat, buy a car, etc., I wonder why some developers price their libraries much higher than others.
There may be more work, more details in some libraries which justify the price tag. Often it seems not to be the case, but I won\'t discuss that.
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But when one thinks that his work is worth a certain amount, this is up to him solely, and I can\'t understand that others (who did not do this specific work) feel entitled to tell him howmuch the work is worth.
Take care, and I hope you will produce other good things very soon.

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[Franky]

Hi Gilles, i will never forget you, you were actually my second costumer after Munsie http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Thank you for your support, i will continue contributing sample libraries to this sample user community at prices that my conscience dictates, never by other people\'s standards, that\'s why i got in the bizz. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

I have talked to Scarbee, and have resolved his posting issue with him personally, all is good and i harbour no negative feelings towards him, in fact he is one of the most polite developpers i know i think he just got caught in the moment and wrote what came out instead of thinking ahead, i also do that sometimes, and race back 5 minutes later and delete the post and pray no one read it LOL ! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Kindly,
Franky
Vintaudio.

[Munsie]

\"Thirdly to start this in THIS thread which was another happy thread about something i was real proud of and turning ut in yet again another ****ing circus pisses me off royally.\"

AGREED! I havn\'t done this enough, but when I purchase something and it has been a truly worth while purchase I always make a point to state good things about it from time to time. So....

For the past 2 years I have been working on creating a virtual band in my home studio. I\'m a total novice, but because I have a big ego I\'m going to release some music later on this year. ANYWAY, recently I\'ve noticed my music is \"sounding\" pretty damn good. I brought in a real guitarist to lay down some tracks to compare it to Franky\'s Clean Guitar Libraries. I ran the real guitar through the same effects I normally use. The end result was shocking how much they sounded alike. I have to admit, the only reason I purchased this library in the first place was because the price was right. And at first I wasn\'t even that excited about the library, but this was my fault for not learning how to use the library. It\'s amazing how good you can use a sample library once you start understanding how the actual instrument works.

For anyone who needs an ELECTRIC guitar library, this is an excellent first choice or perfect addition to your existing libaries.

Oh yah,

There is nothing wrong with telling us what you\'re working on next Franky, just don\'t start advertising it for SALE until the cd\'s are in your hands!!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[Franky]

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I agree lol http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
Still... i won\'t be talking about new libraries until they\'re very close to completion.
Anyways, thx for your support Munsie http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif


Franky
Vintaudio www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")

[RobertKooijman]

Hi Franky,

First: congrats!

Your clean guitars offer great value for money. In fact, they are one of my favorite Giga libraries! I also appreciate the fact you stay away from the bs and complaining that characterises some other developers.

Question: can you please be more specific regarding fret / finger noises etc? I really miss these and feel that they would be a great addition to an already great library.

One suggestion is for those who payed for the libray to offer some update or download.
You must have a few samples laying around somewhere!

All the best, Robert

[dasher]

Wow! Go unavailable for a few days and the brown stuff really hits the revolving air circulator!

First of all, let me be (probably) one of the last (just from the long delay, no negative overtines there) to say congratulations on your 4 star review, Franky. And also for marketing at a price that makes it possible for those of us on a limited sample budget keep you on their list of gotta-haves (as I think I said in an earlier post, if I had heard your demos before the QL Strat, I\'d have bought yours instead-and eventually will...)

As to the question of \'overpriced sample libraries\' - I thought this had been hashed to death months ago. AND I just deleted another massive post-because we HAVE already done this to pieces. Would you rather sell 500 $100 CDs or 50 $1000 CDs? (I know, you\'d RATHER sell 5000 $1000 CDs...)

Anyway, congrats again, Franky. Looking forward to what you turn up.

Dasher

[Franky]

Hi Robert, thx for the nice comments, i\'m glad you\'re enjoying the library.

Dasher, thx for the nice comments they are really appreciated. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

As for Fret noises and harmonics, the problem with this is that i don\'t own these wonderful guitars except for the Godin (which i have yet to pay for). So it\'s a matter of trying to get the guitars and resample some fret noises and harmonics.
Now even if i\'m considering doing these, it doesn\'t mean i am going to and i still feel the library as is, is a great value and stacks up pretty well, I know I know, it would be the icing on the cake and that\'s why i\'m carefully considering doing it but i am busy right now doing new libraries and working in the studio and on the road.
I\'ll make a final decision on this based on the availabilities of the guitars and my own free time before the end of June.

Kind Regards
Franky
Vintaudio www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")

[Munsie]

Hi Franky,

I\'m not a guitar player so I don\'t know all of the terms used, but the sound of the pick hitting the strings, when playing rythms or leads is very important. If you could make another instrument, that JUST has the pick sound layed out on the exact same keys as the other instruments we could overlay the pick sounds to produce a more realistic sound. The sound I am thinking of is the sound of the strings plucked/strummed very tightly so no note comes out, just a scrape/chug?? I don\'t even think you would need multi velocities samples on it. You could probably get away with 1 sample for every 3 notes. And on the same instrument in the upper keys, perhaps some up and down fret noise, 6 each? 2 short, 2 med, 2 long. This could all be done with the same guitar you have now since there is no notes in this instrument.

For strumming rythms I would suggest another instrument, that just has about a 2 octave range, this instrument would be nothing more than the sound of all strings muted VERY tightly producing a percussive effect. We could jam this on top of some rythms for a more percussive effect!

I\'m not saying these should be free updates, because I knew this was not included when I purchased it. But I would think this would be a fairly quick session since there is no notes/tuning involved, no multi velocitie samples, etc. What do you think?

[Joel Olives]

Franky,

Just to let you know - I was considering buying another electric guitar library, but the price coupled with the quality will make this the next sample CD I purchase. (Unfortunately, I\'m broke right now, so it\'ll be a week or two)

[Franky]

Cool Joel,thx for the business. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Btw fyi, it\'s a 4 cd library.


Kind Regards
Franky
Vintaudio www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")

[cunningham]

Franky,

Please do seriously consider the pick attack sound, harmonics, finger noise, slides, etc. Don\'t mind paying a bit more for them. Also, my impression from the SOS review is that had they been there your library would have won its 5th star. Imagine going head to head with QL 56Strat at less than half the price with non significant difference and more guitar models. Wonder how many copies Nick has sold?

Bill Cunningham

[cunningham]

Reading my previous post, it sounded as though I might be down on Nick\'s libraries. I\'m not...I think he has done a wonderful job creating some of the finest libraries around. BTW, I own QL Brass, but had to wait for a sale to justify the purchase for my use.

[cunningham]

Franky,

Received your \"Vintage Clean Guitar\" library yesterday. Had to replace the jewel boxes...(you know how international mail carriers are http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif ). Only had time to load the Strat. Used a midi part for piano to trigger the sounds (limited time to play) and after adding some compression and reverb it sounded like a part that was orginally created for guitar and easy to place in the mix with other instruments. Very cool!

[Franky]

Hi cunningham, glad you\'re enjoying the library, sorry about the jewel cases, it happens. (you should see the shape the packages i receive from USPS... Puurrfect Drums litteraly was completly shredded and Bardstown Audio\'s looked like chewed up newspaper when USPS had finished with them LoL !)

Sorry for taking this long to reply, with the new
forum changes and all... images/icons/smile.gif

Kindly,
Franky
vintaudio
www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")