Does Henry Brant use GigaStudio?

[PatS]

Who cares? The guy just won a Pulitzer. And where does he live? Say it with me people: Santa [now you say \"Santa\"] Barbara [\"Barbara\"]. And where does PatS live? That\'s right, girls and boys: The town where a 3-bedroom rental will cost you $2,600 per month.

Seriously, if you like spatial music, check out Brant\'s work. He makes Ives look like an uptight theory teacher who believes in studying and emulating nothing but J.S. Bach\'s chorale harmonizations (Ives\' 4th Symphony notwithstanding).

For more information, check out http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2002/music/ (\"http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2002/music/\").

Cheers,

Pat

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[composer22]

Yeah pat. I saw this in the news yesterday and was hoping you wouldn\'t pick up on it. I\'d hate to let it get to your head. We\'re never gonna hear the end of it form you or how great santa barbara is...

May i just point out that the SFO played his winning work...a REAL orchestra...NOT the SBSO!!!!!!

[PatS]

We have an orchestra? Maybe that explains the noise I\'ve heard coming from the Arlington Theater just across the street. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

I haven\'t been to Davies since I heard Nagano direct the West Coast premiere of Messiaen\'s Des canyons aux étoiles (From the Canyon to the Stars; I had to look up the French, BTW, so no applause). His wife, Yvonne, was at the piano, and he stationed himself in the front-left balcony with a 3\'x2\' score. My dad met him at the party after the concert, while I slept in the car. Thoughts about getting a tatoo on my forehead that said \"Doofus\" quickly sprang to mind.
Pat

[Christopher Drake]

$2,600 for a 3 bedroom in SB?...WHAT A STEAL!!!! Pat have you ever gone to a Cynergy show up there in SB? its a small super indie lo-fi multimedia get together that happens every 10 months or so..they show art, have DJ\'s and bands, and end the night showing local short films (usually from local talent from the Brooks Institute) a good time for all...I scored a short movie called Revenger that showed last summer at one of those events.

See ya on Stearn\'s Warf...Ill be the guy fighting off the attacking one legged pelican that lives there.

[composer22]

Pat...pat

A score...on a front left balcony for all the audience to see...

Do i have to get permission from Papa Chalk to start a flame war about Messaien?

I am biting my tongue so hard..

but alas...the Canadian or English censor board \'s prevent me from leaving the house...

=)

[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Christopher Drake:
$2,600 for a 3 bedroom in SB?...WHAT A STEAL!!!! Pat have you ever gone to a Cynergy show up there in SB? its a small super indie lo-fi multimedia get together that happens every 10 months or so..they show art, have DJ\'s and bands, and end the night showing local short films (usually from local talent from the Brooks Institute) a good time for all...I scored a short movie called Revenger that showed last summer at one of those events.

See ya on Stearn\'s Warf...Ill be the guy fighting off the attacking one legged pelican that lives there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you know Dave Ciaccio? He used to work here at Greenhills Software. My understanding is that he now spearheads Cynergy. I\'ll have to check it out. Alas, I was too busy to attend the last gathering. Will you be at the next event? I\'ll BE the one-legged pelican. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Pat

[composer22]

Sau, isnt there a soundstage in SB? OR some super community center/college recording center??

[Micheal Chase]

Attempting to give the impression of several ensembles or even orchestras in different locations using Gigastudio etc is an awesome and quite delicious thought now that surround sound is becoming more financially feasible for the project studio. I\'m half-tempted to pen a work.

I remember seeing Rattle, Dan Harding and somebody whose name eludes me conducting a Stockhausen work (the name of which also eludes me) at the Birmingham concert hall a few years back. It was a heady mixture of daring, tantalizing and awesome and yet lacking in any real punch or shape when the work had finished.

I\'ve often dreamt about some great Brunel visionary constructing a huge concert hall some time in the future in which orchestras and ensembles don\'t just play around and above the listeners but also underneath, the audience suspended in mid air to gather the full effect. I can\'t see my wife going for it with her fear of heights........

[Christopher Drake]

Pat...SB sure is a small town! Dave is a good friend of mine...who knows, I may have even met you before! I always crash at his place when Im in town...He\'s currently working as an editor, as a matter of fact, I think he just cut a demo reel of his stuff to some music I did...every time I go to SB the crew always hooks up at the Firebird...we should meet up some time over there...beer on me.. one legged pelican not required.

[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by composer22:
Pat...pat

A score...on a front left balcony for all the audience to see...

Do i have to get permission from Papa Chalk to start a flame war about Messaien?

I am biting my tongue so hard..

but alas...the Canadian or English censor board \'s prevent me from leaving the house...

=)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly, the hall was probably at 30% capacity. Most of those who were there didn\'t notice the old guy until he made his way to the stage. Of course, a small audience meant a nice selection of seats for us.

So, what do you want to torch? The \"Modes of Limited Transportation\" or those \"Non-refundable Rhythms\"? (Sorry, bad theory-nerd humor; it should be \"Modes of Limited Transposition\" and \"Non-retrogradable Rhythms.\") What about those ancient Greek rhythms and the Hindu deci-talas? Heard one too many bird songs? I\'ll bet it\'s the Ondes Martenot; his Turangalila Symphony always gets the dogs howling in my neighborhood, assuming I can make it through all ten movements. Let\'s see: that leaves Catholic symbolism and the Tristan myth. Oops! I almost forgot about his synaesthesia. I know there\'s something else. \"cd /; rm -rf *\"? Nope, that\'s not it. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

BTW, was your use of the word \"\'s\" an allusion to Messiaen\'s incarceration at a POW camp? Certainly you weren\'t referring to anyone here, nicht wahr? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

Peace!

Pat

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[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Christopher Drake:
Pat...SB sure is a small town! Dave is a good friend of mine...who knows, I may have even met you before! I always crash at his place when Im in town...He\'s currently working as an editor, as a matter of fact, I think he just cut a demo reel of his stuff to some music I did...every time I go to SB the crew always hooks up at the Firebird...we should meet up some time over there...beer on me.. one legged pelican not required.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You\'re on. Dave was undoubtedly the coolest guy at GHS. Unfortunately, he didn\'t seem too happy there. I\'m glad to hear he\'s finally in his element.

Pat

[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by composer22:
Sau, isnt there a soundstage in SB? OR some super community center/college recording center??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Santa Barbara has a lot of small- and medium-sized studios, but I\'m not aware of a large soundstage. UCSB has a few recording studios. I don\'t think Westmont College or the Music Academy of the West has anything along those lines. I\'m not sure about the SB City College. But you\'ve definitely piqued my curiosity.

Pat

[composer22]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PatS:
So, what do you want to torch? The \"Modes of Limited Transportation\" or those \"Non-refundable Rhythms\"?...
Pat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your puns are delightful...and your circle through his world brought back many strange library smells and memories of looking through his MY METHOD theory book. Non retrograde rhythms and the magic dot anywhere. I could never stomach the Tarantula Symphonie - made me quite sick...synaesthesia yup...its a personae thing I guess that drives me nuts...same with Jeremy...I\'d look up a quote from Morton Feldman about Messaien somewhere around here...oh well...say here are a few anyway to spew...

In music...if you do something new, something original, you\'re an amateur. Your imitators - these are the professionals

The imitator is the greatest enemy of originality. The freedom of the artist is boring to him because in freedom he cannot reenact the ROLE of the artist. There is, however, another role he can and does play. It is this imitator, this \"professional\", that makes art into culture.

For art to succeed it\'s creator must fail...

Unless we take a chance, we die in art.

Most music of the 20th century is criticism of past music.

I don\'t deny the validity of the pc set...but in relation to the sonic experience today, it seems to me the equivalent of a baby\'s playpen, and just as full of toys and pacifiers.

BTW do you think I could get a discount on GOS if I ask Gary for Massien 3-string cellos, and put off payments till the end of time?

[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Micheal Chase:
Attempting to give the impression of several ensembles or even orchestras in different locations using Gigastudio etc is an awesome and quite delicious thought now that surround sound is becoming more financially feasible for the project studio. I\'m half-tempted to pen a work.

[snip]

I\'ve often dreamt about some great Brunel visionary constructing a huge concert hall some time in the future in which orchestras and ensembles don\'t just play around and above the listeners but also underneath, the audience suspended in mid air to gather the full effect. I can\'t see my wife going for it with her fear of heights........<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, Micheal! Initially, I didn\'t see your post, which is quite intriguing. I\'ve never considered writing spatial music, mainly for logistical reasons, but I\'ve been fascinated with the genre for some time now. I\'ve regarded it as a musical instantiation of our everyday auditory world, which includes music, of course. It does run the risk of sounding gimmicky. Still, I\'d love to hear your attempts at this, should you accept your own challenge.

I\'m curious, though. What sort of compositional challenges would \"360-degree music\" create? And would barf bags be available for those of us with sensitive vestibular systems? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

Pat

[Micheal Chase]

Hi Pat

indeed, like Scriabin\'s original vision of a colour keyboard and scent machines filling some russian concert house with noxious fumes it would run the risk of being gimmicky, but there\'s something so very tempting about it all that stirs the imagination. Its just that base idea of having a great whirlwind of live un-amplified music surrounding everyone in every direction that appeals.

[composer22]

If you want to break the fourth wall, why not write a musical?

or stay home and record on 5.1

[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Micheal Chase:
Hi Pat

indeed, like Scriabin\'s original vision of a colour keyboard and scent machines filling some russian concert house with noxious fumes it would run the risk of being gimmicky, but there\'s something so very tempting about it all that stirs the imagination. Its just that base idea of having a great whirlwind of live un-amplified music surrounding everyone in every direction that appeals. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It appeals to me, as well.

I wonder if the paucity of spatial music (and composers thereof) stems from the difficulty of coordinating numerous forces in a large space. Or do most folks think the whole idea is goofy? One LA reviewer commented on how the spatial separation actually brings clarity to otherwise densely written music (check out today\'s Calendar section in the LA Times, assuming you can get it).

Regardless, I\'m looking forward to this year\'s New Music Festival at UCSB, which will feature Brant\'s music. I hope to attend the world premiere of his latest vocal work, to be performed at a Methodist church in Santa Barbara later this month. If I bump into Brant, I\'ll ask him about whether or not he uses GigaStudio to create mockups of his works in progress. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif Maybe I\'ll put in a shameless plug for GOS, LOP and VotA, among other libraries. I\'ll definitely ask him about his proctologist. (I\'ll bet you it\'s a woman.)

Pat

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[composer22]

well, Pat

There isn\'t much new in spacial seperation concidering the catholic church tried this idea in semi-demi early polyphony with parallel choirs and such.

I still think to make it work, you really need to have technology involved, due to synchronization problems...not forgetting Ive\'s 4th or was it 5th, or some fun wagner or puccini oompa bands offstage. Im rambling again, but recording 5.1 is the way to go if you want to try this kind of magic IMHO. On one of my concert works, and a few early theatre pieces, I used electronics in a surround space setting, but the killer is in the engineering...remember, a hall isn\'t designed secifically for sound coming from many dimensional SOURCES, and what you usually end up with is a bunch of ramble and cancellations and nothing sounds quite good. No amount of composition will compensate for a well crafted acoustical space! I suppose you could look to play this kind of music in really BAD acoustical spaces.

Earl brown is another contender for multi-sectional chaos...

Personally, I find it rather gimmicky and tend to lean on the less is more side. But alas, my demo\'s as of yet cannot give credibility...GS will save my soul in the end...

As for your laud of local Pulitzers...weren\'t you the one who was quoting Stephen Albert? When you speak to Mr. Brant, can you remind him of this story and get him to give it back? I\'ll give you 50 $ if you succeed...promise =)



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[composer22]

Thai food...great idea for lunch!

BTW, does SB offer any culinary or cultural delights?

[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by composer22:

As for your laud of local Pulitzers...weren\'t you the one who was quoting Stephen Albert? When you speak to Mr. Brant, can you remind him of this story and get him to give it back? I\'ll give you 50 $ if you succeed...promise =)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can he keep the $7,500 and just give back the title? BTW, did you notice who was on the jury? Harbison and Taafe Zwilich. I\'ll e-mail them and urge them to avoid using octatonic sets, lest they have to return their prizes, as well. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

Cheers,

Pat


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[composer22]

ummm...yes I did notice...Harbison has been playing this position for a few years now?

But, what REALLY caught my eye was:

Olly Wilson, composer and professor of music, University of California, Berkeley

hmmm, I smell a tad of nepotism or inbreeding...what do you think? and...

How did he get harbison and zwilich to go along?

btw...you should ask him for the $7500 dollars for a new giga upgrade in your studio. Just a thought...go for it!

[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by composer22:
ummm...yes I did notice...Harbison has been playing this position for a few years now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, to his credit, he did step away during 2000. Probably freaked about Y2K or just too busy showing off his new opera.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>But, what REALLY caught my eye was:

Olly Wilson, composer and professor of music, University of California, Berkeley

[snip]

How did he get harbison and zwilich to go along?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Berkeley has some great Thai restaurants. A pleasant night on the town, perhaps? I don\'t know.

Pat