trying to reason

[donnie]

Let me try to give a voice of reason in regards to the performing of the cresendi rolls in LOP.

First, let me explain how the mechanics of timpani playing works. There are several things that determine how you play a cresendo on timpani. The composer, the orchestration, and the time period are just a few. However one thing is constant in all the above and that the note and drum you are rolling on determines the general speed of the roll.

In the rolls in LOP I consiously sang different phrases in my head and played with them. This greatly enhances the realism when playing them back.

In regards to the AO timpani cresendi let me assure you that no professional plays this way. I don\'t mean to be ugly but trust me, no one plays this way.

The art of playing percussion is something that Sean and I dedicated our lives to almost 20 years ago. We have both spent years perfecting our craft and studying under various great instructors. I can assure everyone that the performances from Sean and I on LOP and any other library we have are of the upmost quality.

Also doubling is a common practice in todays symphony orchestra. It happens most often in \"pops\" concert situations where the timpanist\'s job is limited and he often also plays percussion parts. This in no way takes away from a pecussionist at all. Actually quite the contrary as a percussionist who is more versitale gets more gigs!


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Regarding the comments of \"wacky\"

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion however when it becomes a matter of facts instead of opinions it is a different story. You claiming that the performances are \"amaturish\" is just a plain lie. It surprises me that someone who doesn\'t have any percussion knowledge would so strongly challenge two guys who have made a career of it.

I also find your post to be rather timely in accordance to my post beforehand...don\'t think this went unnoticed.

As I said before an opinion is one thing but what you are doing is an attack. Threatning to spread you lie\'s to everyone if we don\'t fix what isn\'t broken is something you strongly want to reconsider. I strongly urge you contact me directly if you have any other problems.

Donnie

donnie@dssoundware.com

[Z6]

I have had enough of this. I can remain silent no more!

Donnie, buy a dictionary, you will find it to be of the \'upmost\' help when writing these endless posts about you and Sean and your degrees and experience and how you hate Gary Garritan and his minions.

Nobody on this forum thinks you to be \'amaturish\', believe me.

It is comforting to know that you sang phrases in your head; at least it suggests that something is going on in there.

Understand that there is a difference between a typo and a dumbo.

Waky keeps whacking you upside the head and now your family and his family and your wife and his wife and his family and the family next door and some poor people in third world are all suffering because wacky thinks your rolls are crap and you think professionals wouldn\'t play a roll like the one in AO.

Alright already. We get it.

(And for anyone who missed it):
\"Everything was recorded by PROFESSIONAL percussionist (Sean and I). We have the degrees and the resume to prove it.\"

So you both share a resume and you are a single percussionist with multiple degrees? I understand.

\"The problem is that you don\'t just effect me but my wife, my son, Sean, and his family.\"

And, of course, my family. This is driving my family crazy.

\"I think he supporting me more for being honest than anything else.\"

No, I think he supporting you cause you both crazy.

\"Whats funny to me is that everyone keeps bringing up and defending GOS. Why? Like I said in my inital post...if the shoe doens\'t fit then don\'t sweat it....\"

Eh?

\"A couple of you want to keep this me against Gary going so let me just say for the record....I don\'t like Gary. I\'ll make no bones about that. Part of the reason is because he calls himself a developer which I don\'t believe he is. When I, or anyone else does a library, I do the following....

set everything up myself.
record/engineer everything myself
play everything myself
edit everything myself
progam everything myself\"

\"And our next release will be called \'spanicking thu munkee in Memphis Tenesseeeeeee\'\"

\"You guys can think of me however you like but I\'m just being honest which is something that lacks in todays society. It makes me want to puke when I see someone kiss someones butt to there face only to turn around a minute later and bad mouth them. I just choose to tell it like it is...\"

Kiss \'someones\' butt to \'there\' face? Only to turn around .. and bad mouth them? Did you mean that?

Let\'s not talk about content. Who awarded you those dugrees?

For goodness sake Donnie. Give it a break with all that Garritan stuff. This is a PUBLIC forum. Should Mr. Garritan be applying for a restraining order here?

And as I said; buy a bloody dictionary. I\'m tired of showing your posts to people and saying \"This guy says he has a degree! No, three degrees!\"

And please feel free to flame me anyone, cus I git bols leek donny. An Ah theenk dinny shud get leernt to reed n right, fore he goze sayin enythign aboot anybidy cus he no amature, he profeshunnul.

[donnie]

Ok, what about my last post did you not get? Can YOU read? Point to one sentence in my post above that has anything to do with the ramblings you just wnet on about. I said nothing about Gary nor did I imply anything twoards Gary. Your the one who needs to get off it. I hope you realize that you look like an idiot when you try to mock people....

Donnie

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[composer22]

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[composer22]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by donnie:
...Also doubling is a common practice in todays symphony orchestra...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you saying I can ask an \"A\" league symphonic timpanist to double on a classical concert?? I\'m having a hard time picturing that one (Boston, NY Phil, NSO etc)!

[donnie]

Oh yeah, absolutely!

As a matter of fact most guys love to do it because you get a \"doubling\" fee. It happens all the time in every symphony...Boston, NY, Chicago, etc...

It\'s just kind\'ve understood if your at that level you are expected to be able to do everything. You also have to realise that most if not all orchestra guys have extensive training in percussion as a core and the timpani guys have just chosen to center in on just timpani.

You see most orch. managers try to get by as cheap as they can so instead of hiring a fourth for percussion on one piece he will try to use the timpanist or the other way around to avoid paying for an extra person.

I love it when I have to double! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[composer22]

That interesting, because that isn\'t what I grew up with. Yes, yes, I know timpanists are good percussionists and can play the round, just 1) not what I learned 2) never seen a timpanist in a major league actually play anything but a timp...

well..ya learn soommmmething eeevery day!

Im now playing through LOP picking and choosing...jesus...how does one choose between two different GLOCKS, CYMBALS, CHIMES, BLABLA fer christ sake...so many choices...

Im losing it...I need another 512mb of memory!

[Z6]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by composer22:
z6

Wow...I am sooo impressed with the way you handle those quotes and Man, you are just too coool...

I can barely wait to get back to configuring my gigarig with your advice and opinions...thanks

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Thanks mate. Am I really cool? Well your \'gigarig\' could really do with some configuring, that is for sure. I suggest you configure it by switching it off forever and go get yourself a job where complete strangers don\'t have to be embarrassed for you. I don\'t think Jeremy Soule has anything to fear.

Poor me. Getting the piss taken out of me by a couple of sub-bumpkins.

Flame war? Is that all you do then? You publish any old s h i t e, then YOU decide when it\'s enough. You both badmouth incredibly talented people, then YOU decide when it\'s enough?

Flame war? There should be a bloody IQ bar on this forum. Single-digits like yourselves should be banned.

Your \'gigarig\'? Are you serious? You must have a very understanding daddy to let you get into your middle years without earning anything from your prufesshun. \'Gigarig\' indeed. Now, after me: \"Do you want fries with that?\"

Uh, Donnie? Duz this meen weer not pals eneemower?

Hey, compo do you think anyone was taken in by your embarrassing reaction to someone posting your URL?

Both of you are quite the boys for bragging about your teachers though. I will give you that. You both have teachers who weren\'t jokes. I\'m sure they\'re chuffed as mince that you two keep blabbing their names all over the place; they must be proud.

Hee, hee, hee - yes, I laugh at my own jokes as well.

Sorry Papa and the other moderators, but these guys just tear into decent people who never did either of them any harm, just because they\'re talentless and stupid.

Flame war? What are we, five-years old? Papa may ban people for foul language or offensive comments, but I won\'t sit back and read the drivel that you two print without, let\'s say...at least a little honest analysis. Because I know how much you two value honesty.

If Gary Garritan or Jeremy Soule ever thought about frequenting this forum, I\'m sure you two have made sure that that will never happen.

Now, before I go Compo, tell me about your \'Gigarig\' and how you manage to get those sounds? What can one say but; \"Compo\".

Composer22? Composer? Yeah, right. Maybe in your world, saying makes it so. My sphincter blows a better tune without even trying.

[Z6]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by donnie:
I hope you realize that you look like an idiot when you try to mock people....

Donnie

[This message has been edited by donnie (edited 04-08-2002).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. I\'m not trying to mock people. I am mocking you, and there is not a lot you can do about it with such a dim wattage to work with.

I just hope that someone takes you aside and explains it all very carefully to you.

Maybe they could use pictures, or I could send some flashcards?

Whether people think me an idiot is neither here nor there. What is in question is when you will realize that while nobody minds you being a bit thick, slandering people at every opportunity is just not on.

Now, people can call this a flame war if they like, but in case you hadn\'t noticed, this not a flame war.

You spontaneously combust without any help at all from me.

The fact that you \'graciously\' (sorry Donnie, I mean grayshuslee) started a thread without slandering the Dark Lord Garritan does not undo what you have done.

I suggest you stick to your timps and leave the talking to others. If you\'re jealous of someone, keep it to yourself.

And Compo, dear Compo. What are we to do with you? So much education masquerading as intelligence. I fear you are not long for this world. The ledge beckons.

[composer22]

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[Z6]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by composer22:
Z6

Come on out of the closet loser...lets see what kind of drums you got? MP3\'s? Let me at em. I\'d love to hear your stuff just to drop it on your head.

Wha? Not trying? Gave it up? Oh, I see...a tech writer..ooooh? Man, Im too impressed. Couldn\'t get a decent job in the valley in QA, huh? Not bright enough? Don\'t have the patience or stamina for an engineering role...Don\'t worry...you\'ll work your way up to lead tech writer someday...but you gotta want it z6...really bad...

Meanwhile...I\'ll play with the gigarig and think of you swearing and a cussin...I\'m havin too much fun here to let a snail like you ruin my afternoon. May your curse of bad demos be exorcised, and a buffalo infect your lousy * * *...

Nothing personal////\\\\\\

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Hee, hee, hee. I\'m a snail. Hee, hee, hee.

Make mine a chicken nuggets and fries and be quick about it Wolfgang!

Swearin and a cussin. Hee, hee, hee. You\'re funny.

Jeremy! Oh, Jeremy! Your pizza\'s arrived!

Your stuff. My stuff. Your stuff. My stuff.

Hee, hee.

[composer22]

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[MarkusH]

I\'m not involved with all this (and I hope this qualifies me as someone not taking sides here), but could we all please just shut up and stop this soap opera?
It really spoils NS for people (thats my personal opinion based on personal observations).
Frankly, I don\'t care what sample library developer X says about sample library developer Y. I\'d really like to be able to enjoy reading this forum, and getting knowledge and experience out of it. Not new swearwords and rumors.

yours rantfully

-Markus

[Simon Ravn]

Z6, you sure made my day. Keep it coming, this is way better than Seinfeld http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[composer22]

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[PaPa Chalk]

Ok all Please read the rules of the forum again. If you get banned, please remember we gave many warnings previously. This is getting out of hand. The forum is not intended for faction wars between rival companies. You have all stated your points in different posts on this forum.

If you do or do not hide behind aliases, there is no need to put down each other’s works.
This is very divisive and borders on the legal. We are not taking any sides. We are talking to everyone involved.
Please remember this is a public forum. There is freedom of speech but you still have to be accountable for what you say.

We have stated many times before \"Please respect others on this site no swearing or name calling of others this could get you banned\"

We do not want to do this but when it gets to the point where you decide to disrespect each other and the forum.... enough is enough. I\'m sure all users are getting tired of this.

Please lets end this discussion and move on.

We have many things in the near future that will make this forum a better place for all, lets look ahead to that.
http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/frown.gif
PaPa Chalk & Desound

[Munsie]

Well, this should prove it once and for all, how small (as in quantity not quality) this Giga market is. Where developers can actually get into a p i s s fighting contest in a public forum. Since we\'re all guys here, let\'s just see who has the biggest wammy bar and crown him king of all things giga! LOL!!

[KingIdiot]

well thats jsut the thing Munsie. In this case. Developers are getting into piss fights with customers not other developers.



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[donnie]

Look, I wasn\'t jumping on this guy because he had an opinion. He was just trying to cause problems and post lies about our library. Is that fair? What he was saying about the rolls just in not true. A parrallel would be saying \"how dare that trumpet playing play with a full sound a good breathe support\"...

It should also be plainly obvious that he gripe only came up when I said I didn\'t like Gary which obviously rubbed him the wrong way.

Look I KNOW I am not perfect....very far from it....but in this case I was not the aggressor. And his subsequent rants should prove that.


Donnie

[MartinL]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by donnie:
Look, I wasn\'t jumping on this guy because he had an opinion. He was just trying to cause problems and post lies about our library. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Donnie, would it be possible for you to post a small demo that would show us potential buyers that what was said was not really true?

I\'m sure many of us would be interested in hearing that.

Thanks http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif,
Martin

[KingIdiot]

Man my point isn\'t who started it, but thats its still a piss fight.

BTW, not everyone has a freakin agenda. Why are you so sure he did it because of your Gary comment?

Maybe he\'s just a jerk. Or had an honest opinion about your library. whehter you feel its a valid opinion or not is a different story.

Try and realise not everyone is a cronie for Gary or any other sample developer.

I\'m only fighting this because I\'m afraid of comments like that and how they\'ll reflect on me and how I\'m represented on this board.

Its no secret that I was a beta tester with GOS and that I do like GOS AND that I\'m helping Gary on future libraries. But focusing on trying to say that everyone, and any convoluted way is a Gary \"mob goon\". Ends up making me question what kind of ideas go into people\'s heads about someone like me.

All I can say man, is yah we all know you dont like Gary, big deal. Dont try to put it into every fight you have with people on the board.

Stop trying to insinuate that people have other motives, the same could be done of you and sometimes is, and its just not right.

You have all the right to defend your library and sounds but no right to insinuate motives.

Your diatribe on the whole CD sample size and complaints about other sample libraries is pure irony in concerns to how you say Wacky is hurting your family by posting what he did.

Dont you realize that you are doing the same thing? Its hypocritical. Comments about Gary\'s library hurt not only his family, but other people related to the projects he does. I dont even get paid for stuff I do for Gary, I do it because it stirs my mind, and advances my creativity. There are a few people involved in his future prjects that IMO are helping to future sampling technology. All this is stuff thatcan be hurt with detrimental comments about his person or libraries.

Still I say anyone has the right to an honest, subjective, opinion.

I\'d love to say get over it, but garnering from past issues on this forum I dont think you will http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

what would like to suggest tho is focus on making what you can better with what you do, instead of thinking everyone is attacking you. Make better libraries. Push the envelopes. Stop pushing buttons. and stop thinking people are *trying* to push your buttons.

BTW I still like LOP timp rolls and all, if that means anything at all..

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[PatS]

I like LOP. I like GOS. I like a good Pinot Blanc with swordfish cooked over oak coals (you\'ve got to check out Brambles in Cambria). What I don\'t like is the thought of annual rectal exams. But, darn it, I\'m turning 40 in just over a week, which means I have to find a proctologist with gentle hands. Yipee . . . NOT!

Pat

[Damon]

LOL PatS!!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif

[composer22]

Actually, I am coming to the conclusion that everyone on this board is insane, including moi...How did all this animosity start? Political turmoil in the far east? Afganistan? Who knows...

Don\'s samples are all good

GOS, I am still out to lunch...will get back to ya once I get more memory...

[composer22]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PatS:
But, darn it, I\'m turning 40 in just over a week, which means I have to find a proctologist with gentle hands. Yipee . . . NOT!Pat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dang Younsta..happy birthday

[Franky]

I\'ve been reading through this thread and others recently involving this subject and one thing i have to say is Z6... you are one funny guy, thank you, you made an almost unbearable day slightly better for me, still have a grin on my face) http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

As for me, all i want to say is personally i don\'t think Sample developers should be getting into pissing contests with costumers and other people in this forum, it just plain makes us look bad and does not make this forum, community and sample platform look very good. I want to see this community grow and i don\'t see this happening if anytime someone says something negative about a library the developer or one of his \"pals\" or aliases comes out and tells him he\'s a %#^*@*.....

Please think about the whole community when posting as developers, it reflects badly on all of us.

* steps down from his soapbox and anxiously awaits onslaught *

Franky
Vintaudio Prod. www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")

[Haydn]

PatS,

You need to find a doctor with small hands - maybe a female doctor!! That reminds me - I\'m due for a physical in a couple months. A rectal exam may feel good after the last few trips to the dentist!!

[sri_bubba]

Thank you Papa Chalk.

Good Lord! Enough! Can we talk about music now?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PaPa Chalk:
We do not want to do this but when it gets to the point where you decide to disrespect each other and the forum.... enough is enough. I\'m sure all users are getting tired of this.

PaPa Chalk & Desound<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Z6]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sri_bubba:
Thank you Papa Chalk.

Good Lord! Enough! Can we talk about music now?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are plenty of threads about music. Leave us alone. I want to talk about Pat\'s proctologist. Hey Pat, I\'m older than you and I\'ve never seen one. Do you think I might enjoy it? I\'ve heard rumors that there are individuals that engage in such activities for fun. If I have anything amiss in that particular region, I think I\'ll let it surprise me.

Who knows, your first exam might inspire you write a pibroch for coloratura?

[Franky]

Oh god Z6... you just made me laugh out loud again... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif


Franky.

[PatS]

Thanks a lot, Z6. I have to go home now and change my tidy whiteys. I laughed so hard that I wet myself. Right! Now I\'m incontinent. Well, at least I have my hair, long and gray as it is. If I could only get my daughter to stop braiding it; a pony tail is fine, but I\'m not particularly fond of pigtails and scrunchies.

Pat

P.S. Good tip, Haydn. My wife has been on my case for years that I should get over my hangup about seeing a woman doctor for a full physical. I can hear it now: \"Uh, honey! Weren\'t you at the proctologist\'s office last week and the week before that?\"